Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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What about Beelzebub or Negima! Magister Negi Magi
I think he means small kid like 10-12 not older teenagers in their 16-18.
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But as a rule i'd prefer somewhere close to adulthood mains.
Now Im curious what are you favorite mangas and genras(for manga)?
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Now Im curious what are you favorite mangas and genras(for manga)?
Hmm. This is just of the top of my head in no particular order.
-Fist of the north star
-Jojo
-OP of course
-Hajime no ippo
-Eyeshield 21
-Detroit metal city
-One punch man
-Change 123
-Bartender
-Historys strongest disciple kenichi
-GTO
-Lupin III
-DB
-Irresponsible captain tylorI'm probably forgetting some. But its a sample of my old timer list.
Edit: forgot about Golgo 13. I love that show.
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Wow, Bartender, I completely forgot about that one.
As for me, One Piece unquestionably on top, and it will always be.
- Kingdom
- One Punch Man
- Death Note
- Hajime no Ippo
- Buddha
- Eyeshield 21
- Naruto
- Dragonball
- Beastars
- GTO
- Vagabond
- Berserk
- Romance of the Three Kingdoms
And I probably forgot a few.
As for animes, I havent really watched too many, but will always love Digimon season 1, NaNa and Samurai Champloo.
What about Beelzebub or Negima! Magister Negi Magi
I used to read both and enjoying it, but dropped them for some reason.
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Golgo 13 is so good. I wanted to watch a spy anime and it more than delivered. It's like a more violent Bond with no limits.
Crazy to think it went into hiatus for the first time in 52 years recently
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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Wow, Bartender, I completely forgot about that one.
Right? It's not one of those shows that instantly spring to mind but it has such a fun set-up and such a cozy feel to it that i never tire off it. Also that narrator has the smoothest voice, like verbal soothing balm.
Golgo 13 is so good. I wanted to watch a spy anime and it more than delivered. It's like a more violent Bond with no limits.
So good. It's one of those rare shows that does not suffer at all from having an obvious formula. Makes it so easy to just sit down and pick up any individual episode. Also had that great engrish intro song that i still half sing to myself despite having no idea what takes the wave is supposed to mean.
You dis Naruto but rate these two as your favourite ?!:ninja:
Oh god yes. If you put me on a deserted island and gave me the choice of like 80 volumes of Naruto and 27 Fist volumes i'd be like hook me up until Freddie Mercury dies and i'll be alright from there.
And its funny you should compare Kenichi and Naruto since they share alot of the same problems. But my main problem with Naruto is that i never really clicked with it's character gallery at large and much less with those who ended up receiving most of the focus down the line. Kenichis ensemble feel helped carry it through most of its worst parts on character interactions alone, not enough to salvage the ending of course, but much more than Naruto screaming about Sasuke ever did for me.
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Right? It's not one of those shows that instantly spring to mind but it has such a fun set-up and such a cozy feel to it that i never tire off it. Also that narrator has the smoothest voice, like verbal soothing balm.
There is a Bartender anime?
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Wolfie is probably talking about his own inner voice. Lol.
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There is a Bartender anime?
Best episode in my opinion.
Margaritas, Ibsen and regret.
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You dis Naruto but rate these two as your favourite ?!:ninja:
Naruto went to garbage in its second half. It doesn't matter how good Zabuza and the Chunin exams were, the rest of the series kind of sucked. Rescue Sasuke arc was the last time the series had any real meat to it, where you could tell Kishi was passionate and doing dramatic sacrifices and death scenes… before he was told to stretch it out and undid all the deaths just for those characters to sit on the backlines for the next 11 years..
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I felt some scenes in the second half were planned way ahead, so they had that good naruto vibe, like Jiraya's last fight and death (and to some extente Shikamaru's teacher as well) and the final Madara and First Hokage flashback, for example.
Those moments used very well the weight of their ninja actions, the characters felt like agents in a world bigger than them. But by the end of naruto they just started ressurecting everybody, cause death has no meaning and it's all a fairy tale or some shit. -
So Oda said he was gonna he taking more breaks, do you guys expect it to go break, chapter, break, chapter, break, chapter etc
Or will we get a few chapters in a row here and there?
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Between Odabreaks and Golden Week it's been biweekly already for the past month. I'd really like to see two weeks on one week off, but that's the best I'm willing to hope for at this point.
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Wasn't the more breaks thing just about setting up a new work environment to deal with Corona?
I'd assume the intent would be to have a place where the assistants can live rather than just visit.
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This is a question for anyone.
So One Piece has consistently increased its arc complexity with nearly every post-timeskip arc present. With every arc since Fishman Island, the increased plot-webs have only grown larger and larger. Jinbe's plot to join the Strawhats only just paid off, nearly 330 chapters after he was asked to join initially. Big Mom and Kaido, as well as the Samurai and Alliance plotlines have only gotten more complex as time went on.
We are now in Wano, the proposed arc to where the majority of this is supposed to come to an end, and also likely being by far one of the biggest arcs in the series. However, Oda threw a curveball in the form of this Rocks plotline. There was seemingly a hint at it when Weevil was introduced and Oda's comments about the "lurking legend" and its relationship to Whitebeard. Save for Kaido and BM's relationship, the Rocks plotline almost has nothing to do with Wano as a whole. Characters like Garp, Weevil, Bakkin, former Roger Pirates and former Rocks pirates are all seemingly missing from the arc itself, while concepts like God Valley, the Tenryuubito and Rocks entire goal of taking over the world seem to be missing as well from Wano. Additionally, its a pretty common consensus that Linlin will likely survive past Wano's plotlines and end up in Elbaf, especially with the recent cover story finding Lola, as well as her unfinished plotlines with Elbaf and Loki.
So my question is this, do you all think Oda is not only setting up Wano to not be the end of these 2 Yonko, but increasingly build up a brand new plot in the form of Rocks? Like how Dressrosa and WCI led to Wano, will Wano eventually lead to a "Rocks-centric" related arc? Could this arc be Elbaf? Could the Rocks plot tie into the series ending/final arc? Additionally, Garp and Sengoku talk about Rocks like they will be some impending threat the world will have to deal with, is Luffy just going to resolve that issue with his alliance in Wano? Coupled with the idea that it almost seems impossible for Luffy and his alliance to not only win against 1, but 2 Yonko at this point in the story, what do you think will happen to Kaido/Big Mom in Wano?
Subsequently, is Yamato being built up possibly as the next "Katakuri", in that Luffy will have a non-Yonko arc villain in Wano while Kaido/Big Mom leave Wano to "take over the world" or recruit former Rocks pirates? What of the Impel Down Escapees that didn't leave with Blackbeard? These were apparently silver medalists as well. What if they were former Rocks pirates, the very same ones that we will see possibly after Wano?
If the above is at all the case, is it going too far for plot setups/payoffs in One Piece? Do you think its logical that Luffy does not fight a Yonko directly yet, due to how he lost already?
My thoughts:
Personally, I'm not entirely sure how I feel if it happens, but I know it would in the least prevent Luffy from being this godly power just yet, while keeping people like Akainu, Kuma/SSG/Vegapunk (?), Blackbeard, or the WG to be viable threats in the future. I personally expect a Vegapunk/Kuma related arc after Wano, whilst also expected Big Mom to be a factor in Elbaf possibly after that. Hell, Bonney could be the central supernova relating to a Vegapunk arc, while Urouge shows up at Elbaf. Bege would have to return with Lola/Chiffon to allow BMs plot to fully pay off. Maybe we get all 11 supernova at Elbaf then. Could Wano just be another segue to involve Vegapunk/SSG/Marines and the remaining supernova into an even bigger war at Elbaf?
Interesting speculation for now I guess.
tldr: Is Wano just even further setup for a future Rocks Arc or even Elbaf (where the Rocks arc may take place)?
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Wasn't the more breaks thing just about setting up a new work environment to deal with Corona?
I'd assume the intent would be to have a place where the assistants can live rather than just visit.
What I got from the message is that it's hard to get things done in times of isolation when you require a lot of people to work on the same thing. Since they need to avoid crowding their workplace, getting a chapter done is much slower now.
Which leads me to question: why is this only a thing with One Piece? Don't most mangaka work with multiple assistants? Are the others working overnight the compensate for this, or are they exposing themselves to make sure deadlines are met?
It seems weird for me, rather than One Piece having multiple breaks from now on it's the JUMP that should be doing it so every mangaka had a healthy work environment. -
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What I got from the message is that it's hard to get things done in times of isolation when you require a lot of people to work on the same thing. Since they need to avoid crowding their workplace, getting a chapter done is much slower now.
Which leads me to question: why is this only a thing with One Piece? Don't most mangaka work with multiple assistants? Are the others working overnight the compensate for this, or are they exposing themselves to make sure deadlines are met?
It seems weird for me, rather than One Piece having multiple breaks from now on it's the JUMP that should be doing it so every mangaka had a healthy work environment.Pretty sure thats what is being conveyed by Oda. He expects Jump to go on more breaks as a result. He assures everyone that he still will be drawing daily, indicating that these aren't his personal breaks he is talking about. I expect 980 on time as long as Jump itself isn't delayed, etc.
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@Gia:
This is a question for anyone.
So One Piece has consistently increased its arc complexity with nearly every post-timeskip arc present. With every arc since Fishman Island, the increased plot-webs have only grown larger and larger. Jinbe's plot to join the Strawhats only just paid off, nearly 330 chapters after he was asked to join initially. Big Mom and Kaido, as well as the Samurai and Alliance plotlines have only gotten more complex as time went on.
We are now in Wano, the proposed arc to where the majority of this is supposed to come to an end, and also likely being by far one of the biggest arcs in the series. However, Oda threw a curveball in the form of this Rocks plotline. There was seemingly a hint at it when Weevil was introduced and Oda's comments about the "lurking legend" and its relationship to Whitebeard. Save for Kaido and BM's relationship, the Rocks plotline almost has nothing to do with Wano as a whole. Characters like Garp, Weevil, Bakkin, former Roger Pirates and former Rocks pirates are all seemingly missing from the arc itself, while concepts like God Valley, the Tenryuubito and Rocks entire goal of taking over the world seem to be missing as well from Wano. Additionally, its a pretty common consensus that Linlin will likely survive past Wano's plotlines and end up in Elbaf, especially with the recent cover story finding Lola, as well as her unfinished plotlines with Elbaf and Loki.
So my question is this, do you all think Oda is not only setting up Wano to not be the end of these 2 Yonko, but increasingly build up a brand new plot in the form of Rocks? Like how Dressrosa and WCI led to Wano, will Wano eventually lead to a "Rocks-centric" related arc? Could this arc be Elbaf? Could the Rocks plot tie into the series ending/final arc? Additionally, Garp and Sengoku talk about Rocks like they will be some impending threat the world will have to deal with, is Luffy just going to resolve that issue with his alliance in Wano? Coupled with the idea that it almost seems impossible for Luffy and his alliance to not only win against 1, but 2 Yonko at this point in the story, what do you think will happen to Kaido/Big Mom in Wano?
Subsequently, is Yamato being built up possibly as the next "Katakuri", in that Luffy will have a non-Yonko arc villain in Wano while Kaido/Big Mom leave Wano to "take over the world" or recruit former Rocks pirates? What of the Impel Down Escapees that didn't leave with Blackbeard? These were apparently silver medalists as well. What if they were former Rocks pirates, the very same ones that we will see possibly after Wano?
If the above is at all the case, is it going too far for plot setups/payoffs in One Piece? Do you think its logical that Luffy does not fight a Yonko directly yet, due to how he lost already?
My thoughts:
Personally, I'm not entirely sure how I feel if it happens, but I know it would in the least prevent Luffy from being this godly power just yet, while keeping people like Akainu, Kuma/SSG/Vegapunk (?), Blackbeard, or the WG to be viable threats in the future. I personally expect a Vegapunk/Kuma related arc after Wano, whilst also expected Big Mom to be a factor in Elbaf possibly after that. Hell, Bonney could be the central supernova relating to a Vegapunk arc, while Urouge shows up at Elbaf. Bege would have to return with Lola/Chiffon to allow BMs plot to fully pay off. Maybe we get all 11 supernova at Elbaf then. Could Wano just be another segue to involve Vegapunk/SSG/Marines and the remaining supernova into an even bigger war at Elbaf?
Interesting speculation for now I guess.
There's way too much build-up for Big Mom and specially Kaido to just not go down in Wano. If you look and when and how Rocks has been brought up, it's always been to hype the BM-Kaido alliance. At first Garp said if they came back now they couldn't do anything and the conversation came up because Big Mom was going to Wano, and then after Sengoku gave his exposition (again, apropos of the alliance). And after explaining how dangerous the Rocks pirates were, they basically said Big Mom and Kaido together as they are now are even more dangerous. They even bother to add up their bounties, just so illustrate that they're, in fact, the greatest pirate threat ever. They (the rocks pirates) are the lurking legend and the greatest enemy the strawhats have ever faced. But all that has only really come up leading up and during Wano, so it's probably gonna be resolved there. I think this is gonna be Luffy's God Valley incident. With help (just like Roger had Garp), he'll take down the most dangerous pirate crew (The BP-BMP combo).
If the Rocks' plotline goes forward it'll be either the opposite of what you're saying with Yamato and his new Charlotte wife trying to recreate them to avenge their parents or something like that, or involve Blackbeard.
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What I got from the message is that it's hard to get things done in times of isolation when you require a lot of people to work on the same thing. Since they need to avoid crowding their workplace, getting a chapter done is much slower now.
Which leads me to question: why is this only a thing with One Piece? Don't most mangaka work with multiple assistants? Are the others working overnight the compensate for this, or are they exposing themselves to make sure deadlines are met?
It seems weird for me, rather than One Piece having multiple breaks from now on it's the JUMP that should be doing it so every mangaka had a healthy work environment.Oda specified that it's specially hard for them because they work analog (I assume many of the younger generation of mangaka work digitally, so they don't need all to be in the same room when working).
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There's way too much build-up for Big Mom and specially Kaido to just not go down in Wano. If you look and when and how Rocks has been brought up, it's always been to hype the BM-Kaido alliance. At first Garp said if they came back now they couldn't do anything and the conversation came up because Big Mom was going to Wano, and then after Sengoku gave his exposition (again, apropos of the alliance). And after explaining how dangerous the Rocks pirates were, they basically said Big Mom and Kaido together are even more dangerous. They even bother to add up their bounties, just so illustrate that they're, in fact, the greatest pirate threat ever. They (the rocks pirates) are the lurking legend and the greatest enemy the strawhats have ever faced. But all that has only really come up leading up and during Wano, so it's probably gonna be resolved there. I think this is gonna be Luffy's God Valley incident. With help (just like Roger had Garp), he'll take down the most dangerous pirate crew (The BP-BMP combo).
If the Rocks' plotline goes forward it'll be either the opposite of what you're saying with Yamato and his new Charlotte wife trying to recreate them to avenge their parents or something like that, or involve Blackbeard.
The thing is, in relation to Kaido's news about Yamato, why would it at all be surprising that he would have him marry someone? This is practically customary in BM crew and an entire retread of last arc. The news needs to be surprising to not only the characters, but the reader, expecting the news to be surprising. I think its more likely that the Yamato news is either (or both)
- The son of both BM/Kaido, indicating the alliance is already sealed, no wedding necessary.
- Yamato will serve as the head of the alliance, while Kaido/BM "take over the world"
Just my guess obviously, but I don't see it directly related to yet ANOTHER wedding plot. Its not surprising to the reader. BM and Kaido's goal now doesn't even involve Wano technically, and is the same goal Rocks had. This goal for some unspecified reason, involved God Valley and the Tenryuubito (possibly indirectly as the entire island was removed from history).
Other than this, yes I am inclined to agree that the build up to BM/Kaido this arc should mean they are going down, but I'm not even sure why Oda would namedrop other Rocks Pirates, still have an Impel Down/Silver Medalist Plotline not yet addressed, introduce a character like Weevil who is intrinsically tied to the whole Rocks plot due to his mother, or tease a location like God Valley otherwise, when none of it will likely be addressed at Wano.
Basically, I have to see how Yamato is portrayed before I can fully agree or disagree. If he's a child or innocent like, not weak, etc, then yes, the only implied villain this arc will be Kaido (and maybe BM somehow). If he's introduced as an extremely strong adversary of a moderate age, and is left in control of the 2 pirate alliances, then we may have the arc villain solidified for Luffy: Someone who's not Kaido strength yet, but above your general Yonko Commander.
Edit: Also in relation to Garp/Sengoku's words, while I understand that they mention that both together would be much worse than Rocks was in the past, what is interesting is how Oda presents the dialogue here, as if they will be impending threats outside of Wano and BM/Kaido aren't the end of that list. Sengoku even namedrops other pirates like Ivankov did when they namedropped all of Blackbeards new crewmates.
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@Gia:
This is a question for anyone.
So One Piece has consistently increased its arc complexity with nearly every post-timeskip arc present. With every arc since Fishman Island, the increased plot-webs have only grown larger and larger. Jinbe's plot to join the Strawhats only just paid off, nearly 330 chapters after he was asked to join initially. Big Mom and Kaido, as well as the Samurai and Alliance plotlines have only gotten more complex as time went on.
We are now in Wano, the proposed arc to where the majority of this is supposed to come to an end, and also likely being by far one of the biggest arcs in the series. However, Oda threw a curveball in the form of this Rocks plotline. There was seemingly a hint at it when Weevil was introduced and Oda's comments about the "lurking legend" and its relationship to Whitebeard. Save for Kaido and BM's relationship, the Rocks plotline almost has nothing to do with Wano as a whole. Characters like Garp, Weevil, Bakkin, former Roger Pirates and former Rocks pirates are all seemingly missing from the arc itself, while concepts like God Valley, the Tenryuubito and Rocks entire goal of taking over the world seem to be missing as well from Wano. Additionally, its a pretty common consensus that Linlin will likely survive past Wano's plotlines and end up in Elbaf, especially with the recent cover story finding Lola, as well as her unfinished plotlines with Elbaf and Loki.
So my question is this, do you all think Oda is not only setting up Wano to not be the end of these 2 Yonko, but increasingly build up a brand new plot in the form of Rocks? Like how Dressrosa and WCI led to Wano, will Wano eventually lead to a "Rocks-centric" related arc? Could this arc be Elbaf? Could the Rocks plot tie into the series ending/final arc? Additionally, Garp and Sengoku talk about Rocks like they will be some impending threat the world will have to deal with, is Luffy just going to resolve that issue with his alliance in Wano? Coupled with the idea that it almost seems impossible for Luffy and his alliance to not only win against 1, but 2 Yonko at this point in the story, what do you think will happen to Kaido/Big Mom in Wano?
Subsequently, is Yamato being built up possibly as the next "Katakuri", in that Luffy will have a non-Yonko arc villain in Wano while Kaido/Big Mom leave Wano to "take over the world" or recruit former Rocks pirates? What of the Impel Down Escapees that didn't leave with Blackbeard? These were apparently silver medalists as well. What if they were former Rocks pirates, the very same ones that we will see possibly after Wano?
If the above is at all the case, is it going too far for plot setups/payoffs in One Piece? Do you think its logical that Luffy does not fight a Yonko directly yet, due to how he lost already?
My thoughts:
Personally, I'm not entirely sure how I feel if it happens, but I know it would in the least prevent Luffy from being this godly power just yet, while keeping people like Akainu, Kuma/SSG/Vegapunk (?), Blackbeard, or the WG to be viable threats in the future. I personally expect a Vegapunk/Kuma related arc after Wano, whilst also expected Big Mom to be a factor in Elbaf possibly after that. Hell, Bonney could be the central supernova relating to a Vegapunk arc, while Urouge shows up at Elbaf. Bege would have to return with Lola/Chiffon to allow BMs plot to fully pay off. Maybe we get all 11 supernova at Elbaf then. Could Wano just be another segue to involve Vegapunk/SSG/Marines and the remaining supernova into an even bigger war at Elbaf?
Interesting speculation for now I guess.
tldr: Is Wano just even further setup for a future Rocks Arc or even Elbaf (where the Rocks arc may take place)?
I would add Punk Hazard to the build up of Wano because it started the alliance. Not only with Law, but also with Kin and Momo (not literally).
Also, I think Rocks has a lot to do with Wano. I think this is why Oda left precisely how Kaido got to Wano out of Oden's flashback. It's more suited for later. Now that his son and this announcement is involved, it makes more sense. Early on in WCI arc, it was the race to save Sanji and Sanji meeting his family, so we got his flashback. Later on, we got BM's flashback when it was warranted.
BM, while shackled, invites King to join her just like Shanks asked Marco. Before Wano started, Shanks is warning the Gorosei, just like Shanks was warning WB.
I'm sticking to my theory that whoever made the connection for Higurashi, Orochi and Kaido, might also be working with the Gorosei and Shanks is wary of this individual's true intentions. Possibly this connection is why CP-0 is there. It might be a Rocks Pirate that Kaido still trust. Even Sengoku is suspicious of all the convenience in Wano currently after speaking on the Rocks Pirates. There's definitely something going on.
I've never read a chapter more than i've read 907. The way that it was sequenced and then add all of the narratives that Oda is making sure we keep up with through the intermission
- Teach's moves
- Warlord issues
- Rev Army at Reverie
- Rocks
These 4 narratives are constantly being brought back up and the writer is making sure we don't forget it. I think when the next intermission arrives, we get an update on all 4.
When it comes to Post Yonko Saga, I think the pace slows and the crew deal with the relationships between the Underworld, science, Kingdoms that rely on both and how the WG takes advantage of that. The gray area might get explored where post Warlord System still has the WG and Pirates working together. Dragon mentioned a mastermind that I don't think was for nothing. We didn't meet all of the Underworld Emperors. Outside of Skypiea, almost every arc has an antagonist that WG allows to a certain extent. Arlong, Morgans, CP9, Moria, etc.
If Kaido has been caught by the WG before, who was letting him out? Did he just escape? The WG allows it possibly and not for free
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The thing is, in relation to Kaido's news about Yamato, why would it at all be surprising that he would have him marry someone? This is practically customary in BM crew and an entire retread of last arc. The news needs to be surprising to not only the characters, but the reader, expecting the news to be surprising. I think its more likely that the Yamato news is either (or both)
- The son of both BM/Kaido, indicating the alliance is already sealed, no wedding necessary.
- Yamato will serve as the head of the alliance, while Kaido/BM "take over the world"
Just my guess obviously, but I don't see it directly related to yet ANOTHER wedding plot. Its not surprising to the reader. BM and Kaido's goal now doesn't even involve Wano technically, and is the same goal Rocks had. This goal for some unspecified reason, involved God Valley and the Tenryuubito (possibly indirectly as the entire island was removed from history).
Other than this, yes I am inclined to agree that the build up to BM/Kaido this arc should mean they are going down, but I'm not even sure why Oda would namedrop other Rocks Pirates, still have an Impel Down/Silver Medalist Plotline not yet addressed, introduce a character like Weevil who is intrinsically tied to the whole Rocks plot due to his mother, or tease a location like God Valley otherwise, when none of it will likely be addressed at Wano.
Basically, I have to see how Yamato is portrayed before I can fully agree or disagree. If he's a child or innocent like, not weak, etc, then yes, the only implied villain this arc will be Kaido (and maybe BM somehow). If he's introduced as an extremely strong adversary of a moderate age, and is left in control of the 2 pirate alliances, then we may have the arc villain solidified for Luffy: Someone who's not Kaido strength yet, but above your general Yonko Commander.
Edit: Also in relation to Garp/Sengoku's words, while I understand that they mention that both together would be much worse than Rocks was in the past, what is interesting is how Oda presents the dialogue here, as if they will be impending threats outside of Wano and BM/Kaido aren't the end of that list. Sengoku even namedrops other pirates like Ivankov did when they namedropped all of Blackbeards new crewmates.
Why would Yamato serve as the head of the alliance while Big Mom and Kaido 'take over the world'? The whole point of the alliance is to 'take over the world'. It makes no sense for Big Mom and Kaido to go on their own to do that. If they wanted to go for it they'd just go with their crews and attack Marie Jois or something like that. And if they wanted to bring other Rocks pirates they'd summon them where they are, not go to them themselves.
You can't really compare to Katakuri because WCI was never about defeating Big Mom, it was just a side-quest to retrieve Sanji. In fact the Katakuri fight was an extra that we didn't even expect to get (Remember when people thought the arc was over after the tamatebako explosion?). Meanwhile, Kaido's defeat has been the goal not only since the beginning of Wano, but since Punk Hazard. It just makes no sense for it to not happen.
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It seems weird for me, rather than One Piece having multiple breaks from now on it's the JUMP that should be doing it so every mangaka had a healthy work environment.
They announced today/yesterday that there will be more breaks in general: https://www.shonenjump.com/j/2050/05/11/500511_oshirase001.html
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Why would Yamato serve as the head of the alliance while Big Mom and Kaido 'take over the world'? The whole point of the alliance is to 'take over the world'. It makes no sense for Big Mom and Kaido to go on their own to do that. If they wanted to go for it they'd just go with their crews and attack Marie Jois or something like that. And if they wanted to bring other Rocks pirates they'd summon them where they are, not go to them themselves.
You can't really compare to Katakuri because WCI was never about defeating Big Mom, it was just a side-quest to retrieve Sanji. In fact the Katakuri fight was an extra that we didn't even expect to get (Remember when people thought the arc was over after the tamatebako explosion?). Meanwhile, Kaido's defeat has been the goal not only since the beginning of Wano, but since Punk Hazard. It just makes no sense for it to not happen.
Don't worry, my whole post was intended to be hypothetical in relation to Yamato.
My main concern is that there are so much Rocks related plot unrelated to Wano that it almost feels like its not just "background" for Kaido/BM, but touche.
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Which leads me to question: why is this only a thing with One Piece?
I assume its affecting everyone, not just OP.
Don't most mangaka work with multiple assistants? Are the others working overnight the compensate for this, or are they exposing themselves to make sure deadlines are met?
Oda has more assistants than most. The sheer number of characters and background details and cloth details and such he has in an average chapter require it. I think most manga get by with two or three assistants, he has way more though I don't know the exact current number.
Plus Oda also has to deal with multiple editors and timetables so that throws in even more people into the mix.
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@Gia:
This is a question for anyone.
So One Piece has consistently increased its arc complexity with nearly every post-timeskip arc present. With every arc since Fishman Island, the increased plot-webs have only grown larger and larger. Jinbe's plot to join the Strawhats only just paid off, nearly 330 chapters after he was asked to join initially. Big Mom and Kaido, as well as the Samurai and Alliance plotlines have only gotten more complex as time went on.
We are now in Wano, the proposed arc to where the majority of this is supposed to come to an end, and also likely being by far one of the biggest arcs in the series. However, Oda threw a curveball in the form of this Rocks plotline. There was seemingly a hint at it when Weevil was introduced and Oda's comments about the "lurking legend" and its relationship to Whitebeard. Save for Kaido and BM's relationship, the Rocks plotline almost has nothing to do with Wano as a whole. Characters like Garp, Weevil, Bakkin, former Roger Pirates and former Rocks pirates are all seemingly missing from the arc itself, while concepts like God Valley, the Tenryuubito and Rocks entire goal of taking over the world seem to be missing as well from Wano. Additionally, its a pretty common consensus that Linlin will likely survive past Wano's plotlines and end up in Elbaf, especially with the recent cover story finding Lola, as well as her unfinished plotlines with Elbaf and Loki.
So my question is this, do you all think Oda is not only setting up Wano to not be the end of these 2 Yonko, but increasingly build up a brand new plot in the form of Rocks? Like how Dressrosa and WCI led to Wano, will Wano eventually lead to a "Rocks-centric" related arc? Could this arc be Elbaf? Could the Rocks plot tie into the series ending/final arc? Additionally, Garp and Sengoku talk about Rocks like they will be some impending threat the world will have to deal with, is Luffy just going to resolve that issue with his alliance in Wano? Coupled with the idea that it almost seems impossible for Luffy and his alliance to not only win against 1, but 2 Yonko at this point in the story, what do you think will happen to Kaido/Big Mom in Wano?
Subsequently, is Yamato being built up possibly as the next "Katakuri", in that Luffy will have a non-Yonko arc villain in Wano while Kaido/Big Mom leave Wano to "take over the world" or recruit former Rocks pirates? What of the Impel Down Escapees that didn't leave with Blackbeard? These were apparently silver medalists as well. What if they were former Rocks pirates, the very same ones that we will see possibly after Wano?
If the above is at all the case, is it going too far for plot setups/payoffs in One Piece? Do you think its logical that Luffy does not fight a Yonko directly yet, due to how he lost already?
My thoughts:
Personally, I'm not entirely sure how I feel if it happens, but I know it would in the least prevent Luffy from being this godly power just yet, while keeping people like Akainu, Kuma/SSG/Vegapunk (?), Blackbeard, or the WG to be viable threats in the future. I personally expect a Vegapunk/Kuma related arc after Wano, whilst also expected Big Mom to be a factor in Elbaf possibly after that. Hell, Bonney could be the central supernova relating to a Vegapunk arc, while Urouge shows up at Elbaf. Bege would have to return with Lola/Chiffon to allow BMs plot to fully pay off. Maybe we get all 11 supernova at Elbaf then. Could Wano just be another segue to involve Vegapunk/SSG/Marines and the remaining supernova into an even bigger war at Elbaf?
Interesting speculation for now I guess.
tldr: Is Wano just even further setup for a future Rocks Arc or even Elbaf (where the Rocks arc may take place)?
I don't think there's any chance of the Kaido/Big Mom alliance not being overcome at Wano. Kaido has to fall. Big Mom has some plot links to wrap up, but depending on how things go I could see her being involved in Elbaf as a rival/member of an uneasy truce/maaaaybe an ally, but not as a major villain for a third major arc in a row. She's definitely staying in the story a little longer, but I'll be shocked if she's not done as a villain.
Rocks is serving two narrative purposes at the minute. In the short term it's a hype device for the strength of Big Mom and Kaido and the things they could do together. They were threatening to begin with, but the Rocks info connects them strongly to a bunch of far bigger legends. But you're right that there's a lot of things we've gleaned about the Rocks crew that don't seem to tie into either of our current villains or Wano, and that those things seem to be seeding future arcs. That's because Oda's also playing the long con with Rocks, setting up things even bigger than the short term tie-in. Kaido and Big Mom don't have to keep going to keep Rocks relevant because it's already been established that all that stuff is beyond even the two of them. I don't think, when Garp and Sengoku talk about how threatening Rocks is, they mean his powerful crew members getting back together. I think they mean the stuff Rocks must have known about the secrets of the world and how he intended to act on that knowledge. Both the alliance and the idea of Rocks' knowledge and will being inherited are (probably) huge threats to the safety and stability of the world, but they're two very different kinds of threats.
Big Mom and Kaido are interested in being strong like they were in the Rocks days, but we haven't seen any sign so far they want anything beyond that. No knowledge. No inherited will. Just power and destruction. But there is someone positioned to pick up that role.
We might get glimpses of Rocks toward the end of Wano, but I don't think we're really gonna learn what Rocks was all about until Blackbeard moves to the forefront. He's the one who studies history. He's the one who uses underhanded tactics and manipulates the World Government's systems for his own gain. He's the one positioned as a foil not just for Luffy's leadership or crew structure, but for his whole own brand of piracy. And if Luffy is the inheritor for Roger, it makes sense for his foil to mirror Roger's antithesis. The full Rocks infodump/flashback makes the most sense if we get it as Blackbeard comes to properly embody the man.
And that's starting to sound like endgame material. Given Oda's optimistic outlook on getting the series finished, it seems most of the leftover plot threads have to tie into the endgame. We're probably not getting standalone arcs for most of these things. There's not going to be a Rocks arc and a Blackbeard arc. There's going to be a Blackbeard doing Rocks-related stuff arc. There's not going to be a Vegapunk arc and a Fight the World Government arc. There's going to be an arc where Vegapunk reveals his work as part of the World Government's final solution for piracy and control of the oceans that gets everyone fighting them for real. And I think there's a non-zero chance that both of those two inevitable hybrid arcs could crash together and be the same arc for a truly chaotic finale.
I see a lot of prediction posts that say we need arcs for this this and this before we can move toward the ending, but they always get me thinking, how is the finale and the ending meant to feel like a climax to the series if all the important stuff is wrapped up before we get there? But if all these things are going to come together at once like I think they will, that means Oda's gonna hit the gas pedal hard after Wano is done. Elbaf is the last really standalone arc I can picture on that kind of schedule, and even then I think it'll play a role akin to Thriller Bark - ie, keeping the Strawhats busy while loose ends are wrapped up and providing a few lighter moments before the big war starts. Plus some lore of its own, of course. I think we'll finally find out what's up with the moon on Elbaf, for one thing. And after that, it's a straight shot to the ending.
But hey, this is all my own gut feelings personal pet theories and armchair narratology. It's too soon to say what the climax of Wano will look like, let alone what comes after. Any one of us could be right, but more likely, none of us will be.
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Hey, was Kanjuro in the same room as the zou red phoneglyph?
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If he was in all the exposition, and he stayed while The wedding team went ahead, he had a few days to get a copy. It would be safe to assume that Kaido has 2 of the stones with him.
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If he was in all the exposition, and he stayed while The wedding team went ahead, he had a few days to get a copy. It would be safe to assume that Kaido has 2 of the stones with him.
Interesting idea. Suppose Kaido falls this arc but Big Mom manages to scarper off, she could conceivably jump ship with those two rubbings and be set up with three out of the four. Good way to resolve the issue of the Strawhats pulling so far ahead of everyone else on the path to Raftel. If the location of the fourth poneglyph was revealed, we could end up with a race between the Strawhats and Big Mom (or whoever steals the three rubbings from her). The timeframe for Kanjuro getting his rubbing feels tight, and the odds of doing it totally undetected feel low, though.
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The best thing about kanjuro is that he doesn’t have to do it, a random lizard, the guard of that day or a drawing of robin could do it.
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And the last stone, someone took it from fishman island, with so many people going through, is unknown who took it, but my best bet is Whitebeard, but in the time that big mom had “control”over the island, she could have learned something about its location . With kaido and zou being way beyond her reach, painting a target to herself like that would be worthless, but with all cards on the table, it would be the correct time to go for it.
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I don't think there's any chance of the Kaido/Big Mom alliance not being overcome at Wano. Kaido has to fall. Big Mom has some plot links to wrap up, but depending on how things go I could see her being involved in Elbaf as a rival/member of an uneasy truce/maaaaybe an ally, but not as a major villain for a third major arc in a row. She's definitely staying in the story a little longer, but I'll be shocked if she's not done as a villain.
Rocks is serving two narrative purposes at the minute. In the short term it's a hype device for the strength of Big Mom and Kaido and the things they could do together. They were threatening to begin with, but the Rocks info connects them strongly to a bunch of far bigger legends. But you're right that there's a lot of things we've gleaned about the Rocks crew that don't seem to tie into either of our current villains or Wano, and that those things seem to be seeding future arcs. That's because Oda's also playing the long con with Rocks, setting up things even bigger than the short term tie-in. Kaido and Big Mom don't have to keep going to keep Rocks relevant because it's already been established that all that stuff is beyond even the two of them. I don't think, when Garp and Sengoku talk about how threatening Rocks is, they mean his powerful crew members getting back together. I think they mean the stuff Rocks must have known about the secrets of the world and how he intended to act on that knowledge. Both the alliance and the idea of Rocks' knowledge and will being inherited are (probably) huge threats to the safety and stability of the world, but they're two very different kinds of threats.
Big Mom and Kaido are interested in being strong like they were in the Rocks days, but we haven't seen any sign so far they want anything beyond that. No knowledge. No inherited will. Just power and destruction. But there is someone positioned to pick up that role.
We might get glimpses of Rocks toward the end of Wano, but I don't think we're really gonna learn what Rocks was all about until Blackbeard moves to the forefront. He's the one who studies history. He's the one who uses underhanded tactics and manipulates the World Government's systems for his own gain. He's the one positioned as a foil not just for Luffy's leadership or crew structure, but for his whole own brand of piracy. And if Luffy is the inheritor for Roger, it makes sense for his foil to mirror Roger's antithesis. The full Rocks infodump/flashback makes the most sense if we get it as Blackbeard comes to properly embody the man.
And that's starting to sound like endgame material. Given Oda's optimistic outlook on getting the series finished, it seems most of the leftover plot threads have to tie into the endgame. We're probably not getting standalone arcs for most of these things. There's not going to be a Rocks arc and a Blackbeard arc. There's going to be a Blackbeard doing Rocks-related stuff arc. There's not going to be a Vegapunk arc and a Fight the World Government arc. There's going to be an arc where Vegapunk reveals his work as part of the World Government's final solution for piracy and control of the oceans that gets everyone fighting them for real. And I think there's a non-zero chance that both of those two inevitable hybrid arcs could crash together and be the same arc for a truly chaotic finale.
I see a lot of prediction posts that say we need arcs for this this and this before we can move toward the ending, but they always get me thinking, how is the finale and the ending meant to feel like a climax to the series if all the important stuff is wrapped up before we get there? But if all these things are going to come together at once like I think they will, that means Oda's gonna hit the gas pedal hard after Wano is done. Elbaf is the last really standalone arc I can picture on that kind of schedule, and even then I think it'll play a role akin to Thriller Bark - ie, keeping the Strawhats busy while loose ends are wrapped up and providing a few lighter moments before the big war starts. Plus some lore of its own, of course. I think we'll finally find out what's up with the moon on Elbaf, for one thing. And after that, it's a straight shot to the ending.
But hey, this is all my own gut feelings personal pet theories and armchair narratology. It's too soon to say what the climax of Wano will look like, let alone what comes after. Any one of us could be right, but more likely, none of us will be.
I had a whole response here but it started getting complicated/messy, so nevermind about that lolXD
To be honest, I agree for the most part but disagree on a few things. Mainly Vegapunk in general. To me this is being poised for an actual arc plotline. There is way too much going on that almost has nothing to do with anything else in the story, namely Kuma and Bonney's relationship, Bonney's relevance to the WG, Kuma's actual goals here, characters like Caesar and Judge having direct relationships to the character, and more. Characters like Smoker have been missing for way too long, and last we knew he was headed to the facility after Dressrosa. To me this character and the whole SSG plotline needs more ground to stand on before we just "tack" it on to the final plot.
Same reasons for Elbaf, there are things set up there that we have to go through before the final plot. Things like God Valley, Lodestar and Laugh Tale being being teased as locations we'll probably eventually see, considering their relevance to Rocks (which I agree likely has something to do with Blackbeard more than anything), the end of Grand Line and One Piece respectively. Not to mention this final arc possibly taking 100s of chapters in of it self the less we actually accomplish outside of it. There's quite literally a hundred major plot points still left to resolve in this story.
Anyway, you are right. We need to wait and see how Wano ends, but I think we can get the "gist" once we know what Kaido's actual motives are and how Yamato will serve the story. I've always casted doubts on Oda fully being able to get Luffy to "Yonko" level this arc, and then he went and teased this character, not to mention the possible "Ace" still lingering around if they exist (and its not Kaido or Yamato).
There's just still an insane amount of plot left for this manga that I don't even understand how we are remotely close to the end lol. Underworld characters, former villains, Level 6 escapees still missing, Vegapunk, his SSG, 5 former shichibukai, the entire Marine and World Government Hierarchy, 4 Yonko, and a TON of mysteries still left (WG National Treasure, Rocks's goals on God Valley, Shanks or Dragon's motivations, Reverie outcomes, Moon, Ancient weapons, One Piece, etc, you get the point).
Its just nuts, I didn't even include the Revolutionaries or CP-0 potentially having a major battle over the Tenryuubito in the end.
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I think we're gonna get a Revolutionary Army-centered arc next, because, really, there's no way Luffy doesn't go after Sabo if the newspaper reports something negative about him. Invading Mary Geoise is just like him.
Plus, that whole subplot about Luffy's Vivre Card. It really implies that, at one point, Luffy will get separated from everyone.
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There's a dramatic sequence to everything. Luffy saw that there was an issue with Ace Vivre Card at the end of TB. He didn't go right away and had his reasons. Not until he had lost his crew and her of his exact situation did he decide to act.
I don't think the crew or even just Luffy make an immediate effort, but there is a chance because of Alabasta's involvement that they do
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I agree that whatever is spilling from the Reverie (Shichibukai abolition, Assassination, death, info that leaked that is causing the Marines to go nuts) is entirely leading us to the final war a few arcs down the road, but I do think the whole Kuma/Revolutionary/Bonney/Vegapunk plotline isn't central to that and more a tease for something happening more immediate, aka the next arc.
It's just like how Doflamingo factored into this whole Yonko Saga, Kuma/Vegapunk are factors that will play into the final war, but in in an arc that revolves around them more than anything
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Question to anyone who sees this, what was the thing that really hooked you on one piece? What moment, concept, character, or anything really. Just whatever it was that made you decide to continue for as long as you have.
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For me it was the concept of "devil fruits". That was what initially got me into the series. Of course if that was all their was to one piece, I would have stopped reading long ago but the concept of "devil fruits" is why I was interested in the first place. I was a teenager at the time and just wanted to see cool powers.
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What I got from the message is that it's hard to get things done in times of isolation when you require a lot of people to work on the same thing. Since they need to avoid crowding their workplace, getting a chapter done is much slower now.
Which leads me to question: why is this only a thing with One Piece? Don't most mangaka work with multiple assistants? Are the others working overnight the compensate for this, or are they exposing themselves to make sure deadlines are met?
It seems weird for me, rather than One Piece having multiple breaks from now on it's the JUMP that should be doing it so every mangaka had a healthy work environment.Oda is still drawing his manga analogue style rather than digital. Other mangakas are most likely digital so less need to meet up and can do more things remotely.
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I've spammed it a couple times, but here we go again.
I seen OP in passing around 05/06 and it was mostly after the stuff I cared about (Naruto, Zatch Bell, JLU, DB, TT) had finished. Didn't really care for it. I seen some of Alabasta and Drum Kingdom arc, but never full episodes. I thought it was about collecting all the Devil Fruits. I said to myself, this isn't for me.
In 08, my lil brother showed me this and I decided to give OP a try
Caught up to the manga a year after and it's been sweet ever since
If there was a "hook", it would be the 1st episode when Luffy freed Zoro.
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Question to anyone who sees this, what was the thing that really hooked you on one piece? What moment, concept, character, or anything really. Just whatever it was that made you decide to continue for as long as you have.
I started with the 4kids weekly toonami airings. The initial hook was probably the march to Arlong, but I think the more important hook, the one that blasted my impatience to the point I couldn't wait the weeks anymore, were the Alabasta fights. After the first Ussop and Chopper fight, couldn't take it anymore and just watched everything else subbed and caught up… can't recall how far the anime was at that time anymore though.
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Question to anyone who sees this, what was the thing that really hooked you on one piece? What moment, concept, character, or anything really. Just whatever it was that made you decide to continue for as long as you have.
I didnt read manga except dragonball. I was reading a dragon fanfic and the author mentionned nekomajin. I read it then I decided to try to find a manga to read. One piece silly humor got me and I would have continue but I think my big yes is Arlong park. That moment where Nami keeps yelling at Luffy before finally asking for help and Luffy the hat on her head is precious to me.
So either the silly humour. I have that gold moment in my head when Luffy is thinking how's gonna drown because devil fruit before having a eureka moment that actually he cant swim so it doesnt matter. Or Arlong Park.
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Question to anyone who sees this, what was the thing that really hooked you on one piece? What moment, concept, character, or anything really. Just whatever it was that made you decide to continue for as long as you have.
I was familiar with it during the 4kids day and didn't think it was bad, but hadn't really watched it closely. One of my best friends brought it up to me in 2009, when I was in College, and mentioned how free-spirited Luffy was and how refreshing it was, and I was hooked with Alvida. Watched it all the way up to Impel Down that Winter Break and then started reading the manga. It was a great time to get into the series.
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Question to anyone who sees this, what was the thing that really hooked you on one piece? What moment, concept, character, or anything really. Just whatever it was that made you decide to continue for as long as you have.
I literally never watched an anime or read another manga before I picked up one piece so I was pretty much hooked from the start because it was so different from the American comics I read and loved (I was a huge Avengers fan way before the movies came out and everyone knew who they were) but I’d say when Lucky Roo shot the bandit and the other bandits said something like “Hey that wasn’t fair” and Shanks said “Fair, were pirates and we don’t play by the rules” that’s when I was hooked
I still get goosebumps when I read that
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Love hearing all these origin stories, so I'll share mine too!! Yes, my first experience was with the 4Kids dub, but I was actually part of the target audience. I was 4 years old at the time, soon to be 5 though
. Fell in love with it instantly, and not long after that I was put onto the Funi dub and the manga. I've been reading it week to week since I was 5 years old and while I may not have understood most of what was said, I still enjoyed the new One Piece content. Also, the art was cool so it kept my attention. -
I wish I was a fan of OP when I was that young.
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I first spotted [K-F]'s episode 147 and had no idea what it was. On a whim, i downloaded and watch it.
It peeked my interest so i downloaded 4 more and watched those: by the time i saw that OHKO VS Belamy, i was already hooked.
Then i tried watching all episodes, from the beginning … but i caught up and only then i found out this was the anime version of the manga ...
Started reading the manga from the beginning but i caught up by chapter 384, IIRC: been a fan ever since.
