We still haven't seen any exemples after the timeskip of what new discoveries did Chopper make while studying, what new recepies did Sanji learned to boost the crew's power, what did Robin even do the past 3 years… so I'm hoping more on that to have some small spotlight soon.
Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
-
Luffy vs Katakuri Full fight: https://www.docdroid.net/qrFOY9p/luffyxkata.pdf
Luffy vs Cracker Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/Pk06JZL/luffy-vs-cracker.pdf
Luffy vs Doflamingo Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/VDl3Ctf/luffyxdoffy.pdf
-
We still haven't seen any exemples after the timeskip of what new discoveries did Chopper make while studying, what new recepies did Sanji learned to boost the crew's power, what did Robin even do the past 3 years… so I'm hoping more on that to have some small spotlight soon.
Definitely the biggest criticism i have of the series. I hope it can go down after this and get more personal with the strawhats. We've been on a nonstop Kaido/alliance ride for 8 years now. What would help is if this war did show more. Chopper is on the top of my list for most disappointing character right now lol
-
Holy sh*t! 40 points to Claudio for apologizing over the internet!
Yeah wow. I'm loving the walls of text. That's where it's fun to sneak in little bits that largely go unnoticed. There are also some posts from users here (without saying when or what they were related to) I've made a mental note of because I want to bring them back up again when the time is right. Sharp as tacks you are.
I don’t know if you already answer this question but how do you think permanent black blade are forged?
-
I don’t know if you already answer this question but how do you think permanent black blade are forged?
By cutting fire
-
Oh. That's a good one. I've actually thought about it a bit and I think a "black blade" happens when the wielder's "armament" becomes stronger than the blade. It overwhelms the blade basically. The better the blade the harder it is to turn it black.
Maybe only some blades can turn black though and it slowly happens after cladding it in "armament" again and again.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Sorry for shitposting all over your thread Greg. I promise I'll stop once I can start my own thread. :ninja:
-
I think there are so many different ways this could go, but for now I really can't see shanks being a serious antagonist. Someone who actually opposes luffy because, again, shanks sees roger in him. Regardless of what roger told shanks that caused him to cry, shanks still looks up to roger and roger is an important figure to him. I wouldn't understand the way he talked to rayleigh about luffy if he wasn't fond of roger. Its complicated, and hard to have a fleshed out understanding of because Shanks really hasn't been in the story too much. I'm not saying your thoughts are completely impossible, I try not to rule anything out, but I just cant see oda going down that route.
-
Yeah. Shanks being an antagonist is just wrong no matter how much people spin it.
-
I'm still of the belief that CoC is somewhat involved in turning your weapon black.
CoA is so widely used lately, we should've seen more permanent black stuff over time, its weird.Also, since Doula Mongo and Teach teased it, Imma say, the next great saga(and last) will be called The Throne War Saga, fits perfectly both for the Pirate King position and the empty throne at Mariejois and the mysterious current ruler.
-
Shanks and Luffy should compete for treasure, or go on a treasure hunting game.
-
I think it's more a matter of how much time you spend feeding the weapon with CoA. Most people will only "harden" their weapons on a few occasions, with the weapons being only part of their arsenal. Only swordsmen rely on their weapon 100% of the time (hence the intimate connection between them and their swords), so we only get to see black blades in their hands.
-
CoC being involved in turning a blade black makes no sense. The reason we haven't seen that many black blades is because it is that rare. Very few blades and very few characters can actually do it.
It's like "devil fruit" awakenings. Very rare.
-
@.access:
I think it's more a matter of how much time you spend feeding the weapon with CoA. Most people will only "harden" their weapons on a few occasions, with the weapons being only part of their arsenal. Only swordsmen rely on their weapon 100% of the time (hence the intimate connection between them and their swords), so we only get to see black blades in their hands.
Vergo's bamboo stick should've been black.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
CoC being involved in turning a blade black makes no sense. The reason we haven't seen that many black blades is because it is that special. Very few blades and very few characters can actually do it.
It's like "devil fruit" awakenings. Very rare.
It makes sense because, it seem more of a 'put your soul in it', rather than just your strenght.
-
It makes sense because, it seem more of a 'put your soul in it', rather than just your strenght.
No. "Armament" is putting your soul into it. "Conquerors" is just blasting it.
-
Haki itself is a persons essence, no? Theres nothing to suggest that the making of a black blade is anything but COA…. Besides. COC has been explained, so far, as "exerting your willpower"
--- Update From New Post Merge ---
Vergo's bamboo stick should've been black.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
It makes sense because, it seem more of a 'put your soul in it', rather than just your strenght.
Vergo's bamboo stick was just clad in COA. Anyone with COA haki can do that, but making a black blade seems to be sort of a next level thing for COA.
-
Well there is Kaido's club at least, and some minions made a remark of it not being just a regular club.
Would be interesting if it was a gift from Linlin and was originally pink. -
All clubs in the series have been black. I think Kaido's club just has seastone on it or it's made of what the poneglyphs are made of.
-
-
Vergo's bamboo stick was just clad in COA. Anyone with COA haki can do that, but making a black blade seems to be sort of a next level thing for COA.
I think he meant "permanently black". Blades being temporarily black has happened plenty of times now too. I think just blades can become " permanently black" though.
-
I figured, which is why i said his stick was "Just clad in coa".
-
Think the material has to possess a certain degree of quality before it can become black permanently. Can't compare a weapon designed and created with utmost care and attention to detail, using finest and most durable materials, and a bamboo stick.
-
Mkay, but what about Newgate's Bisento
-
What about it? Wouldn't expect anything but the blade part becoming black permanently, same as swords.
-
Its strange to me that Monsters like Newgate, Roger, Shanks and Oden wouldnt make it with CoA alone.
-
Its strange to me that Monsters like Newgate, Roger, Shanks and Oden wouldnt make it with CoA alone.
Think it just goes to show how focused one has to be. Perhaps it's only possible for people who are on the path, and it's not a matter of strength, but time spent using the weapon with CoA. Have to be real good to be fighting on that level for years and years without getting killed.
Newgate fought with his devil fruit as well so that cuts away from the time dedicated to the blade, Roger and Oden died relatively young and Shanks is still going strong. As for Mihawk, I wonder if he's the one who turned Yoru black. At this point I think it's fair to assume Haki is behind all the black blades.
-
Okay but… does that seem like something roger and whitebeard would even care to do? Like this is all based off of the assumption that they even care to make their weapons black blades. Its not a common thing and the only person we know of that has one is the strongest swordsman in the world... I just feel like they don't need to and probably didn't care to even think about it.
-
You mean why weren't/aren't their blades black? Good question.
For Newgate its simple. His bisento was already among the highest grade "meito". Maybe you could say the same for Roger's sword. Shanks' too.
As for Oden, I think his "armament" just wasn't good enough. -
The black blade bit might depend on how far Oda wants to go down the Japanese Mythology Hole.
If he really wants to go for gusto, he could revisit the concept of objects having souls or gods and it would be a matter of making the object's soul accept him.
-
If he does go down that route, I definitely want zoro to get shusui back. It would be cool if the sword Ryuma used accepted zoro. Or, if he had a cursed blade accept him. Surely oda could do some very interesting stuff with that.
-
At this point I believe that the haki-mastery of figures like Whitebeard, Roger and Shanks is so great that the weapons don't even make contact with their energy, since they mostly use the super advanced haki (which is more like a bubble-coating).
So it's possible that someone with a weaker haki is more likely to turn his or her blade black, since they "only" have access to medium-skill Coa (which alters the weapon itself).
My headcanon:
!
My guess is that Zoro will turn one of his blades into a black one, while Wado will remain pure since it's a symbol for Kuina's will and dream. Just imagine Zoro going 1-sword style with Wado + level 3 haki (power & finesse), while Enma/Kitetsu/Shusui are used with level 2 haki (brute force).
-
I think you are just wrong. The black " armament" and invisible one are just different. I think the purpose of turning a blade black is to raise it's grade. If not that then it's just for "appearances".
-
Roger and Whitebeard DID turn their weapons black temporarily when they fought.
-
yeah, they covered them in haki, but whats being talked about here is turning them into permanently black blades.
-
Roger and Whitebeard DID turn their weapons black temporarily when they fought.
Yup, and I assume that temporarily isn't enough to turn it black permanently. Roger vs. Whitebeard was basically maximum effort - blade hardened through coa + Ryo-bubble on top.
I doubt Whitebeard or Roger go that far against other opponents though, bubble haki should be enough (why harden the blade if it's not affected by the impact…?).
-
I was gonna say, as a matter of a fact, CoC is running low of applications
CoO has its wide range app, and the future sight app
And CoA has the invisible armor.So this is quite a perfect chance for Conquerors to keep up with itself and stop being left behind.
Applying your king soul into your weapon, makes it go permanently black and it provides a reasonable trait as to why its apparently so damn hard to achieve it. -
I mean I feel like most wouldn't mind if CoC is "left behind".
-
I was gonna say, as a matter of a fact, CoC is running low of applications
CoO has its wide range app, and the future sight app
And CoA has the invisible armor.So this is quite a perfect chance for Conquerors to keep up with itself and stop being left behind.
Applying your king soul into your weapon, makes it go permanently black and it provides a reasonable trait as to why its apparently so damn hard to achieve it.But all those guys you brought up earlier have CoC anyways.
-
I mean I feel like most wouldn't mind if CoC is "left behind".
Most of the critics for whenever CoC shows up are pretty much; 'Does that shit even does anything else?'
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
But all those guys you brought up earlier have CoC anyways.
And CoA.
So then the math would be CoA+CoC+A Great Sword=Blacked.
-
but… how does them just having COC suggest that its used to create a permanently black blade? Nothing in the series has suggested it being anything more than just COA.
-
That makes no sense though. You want "Conquerors" to be more relevant? How about actually being able to do damage with it? Like an energy blast.
-
Uh? We don't actually know exactly how its done.
-
Well seeing as both Color of armaments and color of Observation both got upgraded the last two arcs I wouldn’t be surprised if color of the conqueror got an upgrade too
I also don’t think it’s useless, numbers become overwhelming at some point no matter how strong you are and even white beards crew had people pass out so it’s not like it’s completely useless when facing a Yonko crew
-
im not saying we do, but its strengthening the sword and making it black like coa, so ???? Where does coc fit in? You're really stretching and theres nothing to back up what you're saying but you seem so adamant about it
-
Most of the critics for whenever CoC shows up are pretty much; 'Does that shit even does anything else?'
And that has always been a pretty tame critique that really just comes down to preference. It's not really something that needs to have an advanced application to it.
-
im not saying we do, but its strengthening the sword and making it black like coa, so ???? Where does coc fit in? You're really stretching and theres nothing to back up what you're saying but you seem so adamant about it
The fact that you can turn things black mostly as a living being?
And that keeping that blacked permanently, even when you're long dead, likely requires the rarest of the hakis.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
And that has always been a pretty tame critique that really just comes down to preference. It's not really something that needs to have an advanced application to it.
The others did..
-
Yea. People can turn things black with COA. We have seen many people do it. Haki itself is someones essence, so who's to say that if someone has strong enough COA haki, they cant leave it on a blade permanently? If someone can see into the future with COO how is turning a blade permanently black with COA far fetched?
-
I never said CoO would. You did.
I'm saying its likely a combination of CoA and CoC.
CoC its all about willpower, so the way I see it, CoA turns it black and the willpower of CoC leaves it like that forever. -
A blade that kind of has a mind of it's own. It can drain your Haki if you can't control it. Cursed blades. A teapot was able to take in a Zoan fruit. It was said to be the result of VP's findings, yet it is in an isolated country. Kairoseki can weaken DF users and originate from Wano. The Breathe practice is very similar to the principles of Ryuo. Whatever the Kokeshi Dolls might be. Possibly similar to the Automata. Kozuki clan being behind the Poneglyphs. The ability to hear or command Zunisha is present in Oden and Momo respectively. Luffy and Roger could hear them, but forget them, this about Wano man.
Maybe each of the 6 clans have connections to some of these things. Like how the Hidden Leaf had clans with special jutsu. Maybe it's related to their principles of Ryuo and/or Breathe. Maybe the way Chopper was able to gain access to other forms is connected. Maybe someone in Wano worked w/ VP at 1 time. Even Orochi is aware of his value. Maybe these principles relate to these results where an individual is sensitive to these things. The teachings of Dr Hiriluk and Master Koushiro. There's something there.
-
okay but that doesn't really make much sense even if YOU think it does. And yes I brought up CoO because its an example of how different haki types can have somewhat ridiculous abilities if you train them enough. With a high enough level of CoA it makes sense that that alone could leave a blade permanently black.
-
I still maintain that the narrative purpose of the "black blade" is to raise the grade of the sword. Not just for the sake of appearance.
