Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

[Roronoa Zacho]

@Robby:

Donald Trump is the president of the United States.

That does not mean he was actually chosen or popularly elected to that position. or that he earned the right to be there, or that anything he does is actually in the best interest of the United States or that his loyalties aren't actually to Russia. Nor does it make him the most powerful man, the smartest, or the most respected or the best politician. But still he is the president, he has that rank despite not really being presidential by any standard..

The nuances and distinctions matter.

A fact can be 100% true but still be wrong or different. Especially in a story, where its the author's job to decieve and surprise and change what you thought you knew.

Why do you bring up RL-politics as example, when you could have just written:
"Momo is Kinemon's son, anyone?" (jk)
I do get your Point though. But if we can't take any written line of this manga for granted, then anyone could speculate the Living $hit out of this Story.
And why do I then get a "there is 0 evidence to that", when I bring up the idea of a 3rd tree "of Serpent" (1st being Adam tree and 2nd being Eve tree) which could be the origin of any DF around?

[StrawHatJedi]

I want to ask you a question Greg. I re-read the entire series this past summer and noticed that the calendar year in One piece is placed in the 'Age of Kaien'. It's interesting, because calendars in stories often mark year 0 in the current epoch on the calendar based on a world changing event. In our world, for example, the birth of Christ was considered such a monumental event. It's interesting because the calendar year in One Piece is currently 1500 something. Noland sailed in the year 1100 something, which was 400 years before the current story. Joy Boy was said to have made a promise to the Mermaid Princess around the start of the Void Century, 900 years ago. Yet, the message to her was written on the Fishman Island Poneglyph stone. Given what we now know about their origins in Wano, it would seem likely that the apology was placed at the end of the void century. Meaning, the void century occurred between the years 600 - 700 in the Age of Kaien. The World Gov was founded around year 700. Zunesha has been walking for 1000 years, starting around the year 500. What's notable is that, in the world of One Piece, whatever event marks year 0 is considered so important, that even the birth of the World Government, ruled by people who consider themselves literal gods among men, was not significant enough to restart the dating system. They voided out 100 years of history and still didn't start history anew. You would think a missing century would be even easier to hide if the calendar year started with the birth of the Gov. If Zunesha is related in some way to Imu, it would make sense that Imu was alive even further back than the void century. Do you think there is any significance to the 'Age of Kaien' dating system? What could this word 'Kaien' signify? I think the fact that the dating system goes back before the void century and the fact that Zunesha’s origins, likely also a key piece of information, mean that whatever is happening in the One Piece world extends further back in history before the void century, as critical as that period of time is to establishing the current world order. Just wondering if you have any insight.

[Roronoa Zacho]

That's kinda weird with the calendar tbh. Despite how "divine" and "unfailable" the WG tries to be, they didn't establish their own calendar. Maybe themselves didn't know/couldn't predict how "big" their alliance would become.
They started out as 20 kings (with a secret king/pope/oracle among them, who is totally cool with being kept a secret king/pope/oracle).
North Korea for example did so with an own calendar.

Another interesting Thing is:
the WG could accumulate even more countries than the 173 they already have, but the "taxes" are too high for poor countries.

[StrawHatJedi]

Well, that's true. They have clearly devised a taxation system which concentrates wealth in the hands of the Celestial Dragons, ensuring the citizens of the world will fight over intentionally limited resources. Which allowed someone like Doflamingo to make himself and his underworld network essential to the maintenance of the established status quo.

Doing a little research, I have found different meanings for the word 'Kaien' - I don't know Japanese though, so I can't say which is correct. One I have found is 'Opening' or 'Start', and another is 'Deep Ocean'

I mean, the fact that the calendar year doesn't start with the birth of the Government is interesting in itself. But perhaps understanding the meaning of the word might offer some insight as to the significance to the One Piece world.

[wolfwood]

They sure don't conduct themselves as people who think that they are gods. Whatever they are they are clearly different from the inbred assholes like Charlos. And the battle scars suggest that they have lived outside of the gilded cage

[Robby]

@Roronoa:

Why do you bring up RL-politics as example, when you could have just written:
"Momo is Kinemon's son, anyone?" (jk)

Because I had already given multiple manga related examples and that was apparently not registering.

I do get your Point though. But if we can't take any written line of this manga for granted, then anyone could speculate the Living $hit out of this Story.

That's not the point. It's not "that line is a lie and you should ignore it." It's "that line tells us something, but is it telling the whole story? What leeway is Oda leaving for there to be more?""

It's about keeping an open mind on what's presented and seeing where that could potentially be expanded. As long as you aren't making up a theory from whole cloth reliant on a thousand different maybes and complete personal opinion that you have to fanfic (see the nakama thread for endless examples) and aren't super married to an idea, its fine to keep an open mind.

Neither me or Greg are saying "woah, those are not actually Celestial Dragons at all, Oda NEVER said that!" We're saying "How much did Oda actually tell us there? IS there room for that to not be exactly what it seems when it comes to these completely mysterious individuals who have been in the story for decades that we know nothing about, who seem completely different from everyone else in that group we have met thus far?"

For example. It's a long standing theory that, "Hey, maybe the D's are from the moon orginally. And then inbred, and the D is actually a half moon." It's a cool idea, it fits with some of the other wordplay Oda has done, and is supported by Enel's cover story. I promote that idea, its cool. Am I married to it? Am I 100% sure that's exactly how it will be and willing to stake my entire reputation on it? Will I be disappointing if thats not what happens? Nope! But its fun to look at some of the seeds Oda has planted, combined with his writing patterns, and try to extrapolate.

And why do I then get a "there is 0 evidence to that", when I bring up the idea of a 3rd tree "of Serpent" (1st being Adam tree and 2nd being Eve tree) which could be the origin of any DF around?

First I've heard of it that I can recall. Seems legit to me. Oda did choose those religious names and use the term devil, and Christianity is a fairly large religion in Japan. Seems reasonable to me, though I don't know if he'd actually go that far to have a modern religion ultimately be the source of evil in his story? (Compared to using things like Poseidon, Pluton and Uranus…) Serpent might be too on the nose, but maybe Lilith?

But yeah, seems like a fair guess and extrapolation to me. If we already know there are two trees with a specific naming system, why not a third?

[Shiebs]

Greg do you have any idea how the straw hats can possibly beat Two Yonko crews? I mean one seemed impossible enough, the five elder stars have always been terrified of this happening, and they have the entire Marines and until recently the seven warlords at there helm, how can the Straw hats possibly compete with that? Are they gonna get some sort of ally that will help turn the tables at least a little bit in there favor? All I can think of is the Grand Fleet maybe the remaining White Beard pirates the new power Vega Punk came up with or maybe something else I'm missing entirely

Also this has nothing to do with this arc but do you see Crocodile returning to the series anytime soon, and at what capacity, an enemy an ally? I mean we have to see his gender bending backstory at some point right?

[Roronoa Zacho]

There is another example of Oda kinda "duped" us:
When we first met Laboon, he had all those scars on his head and Crocus said:"poor whale, tossing his head against the redline, cause he is missing his piwate fwiendz!"
When we saw that school of Laboons after FI, a lot of them had those scars. So either all of them "lost piwate cwew fwiends" OR Crocus misinterpreted Laboons behaviour and that is a common Thing those giant whales do,
which is indicating, that the Redline hasn't Always looked like it does now (being made partially artificial).

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@wolfwood:

They sure don't conduct themselves as people who think that they are gods. Whatever they are they are clearly different from the inbred assholes like Charlos. And the battle scars suggest that they have lived outside of the gilded cage

But this might indicate that those Five are way older than the likes of Charlos. Old-school-CDs, if you want to. I also have the Impression that Tequila Wolf (as harsh and inhuman as it even now Looks) once was an ambitious Project to connect Islands (like the sea Train does now), so a "well-meant" Project. Of Course they underestimated the size of this Project. But IMHO the initial Intention of Tequila Wolf wasn't a bad one.

[cryhwks]

The 5 Elders I think they are Celestial Dragons, but they absolutely do not act like them. But I absolutely cannot see them being some magnanimous individuals. They were basically openingly talking about a "culling" that's mass genocide to me. So their definitely the "Bad" guys, because Luffy our protagonist will always be against something like that.

Making the case their much older then they appear? I think is very likely. But maybe their so old that even though they might have been apart of the force that defeated the Ancient Kingdom, that they don't really consider themselves Celestial Dragons? Because I'm guessing the name Celestial Dragon was something that came after they won.

But it's definitely interesting to think about.

[auem]

@Greg:

And there's the problem and why that line of thinking rarely leads to productive predictions.

One Piece: Sabo is dead.
One Piece Data Book: Sabo is dead.

By the above logic, we should all have put on blinders and assumed Sabo was dead despite everything about the series at that point suggesting otherwise.

My mantra has been, it's a storyteller's job to be a BS artist. The need to tell a story that surprises you, not one where you expect every beat. The best mangaka are glorious BS artists because they don't even lie to tell their story, in fact they work largely in truth. It's just that those truthes are skillfully presented in very specific ways and from very specific points of view in order to obscure the entire picture. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just relating this out of experience and someone who's worked with the series and whose work is vetted by the editors every other week. 'They're the Highest Authority of the CDs' does not mean, 'They're CDs'. A donkey could be the mayor of a town of humans, but it doesn't make the donkey a human.

Do you understand what I'm trying to express? Sometimes I'm not the best at getting things across but I hope you see what I mean and also that I'm not hardset on them not being CDs. Just open to the idea that they might not actually be them and most importantly, despite the Revos wanting to take down the heirarchy, it doesn't mean they're against them as humans.

No, no don't get me wrong.I am reading OP long enough to understand( to some extent at least) and be prepared for the ambiguities Oda plays with deliberately.There have been quite a few occasions,as discussed by several posters above, which proves that taking any info on face value doesn't pay in the long run any more.What I am talking about is reader's predicament.If I put it in a question answer format, it should be like this:
Q: Who are Gorosei?
A: They run WG and rule over CDs.
Q:How can they sit above/rule over CDs?
A: They are supposedly CD themselves and act as their leaders.

So, if I have to answer with known fact, I cant get any further presently.While ambiguity is already been there,choices are limited as of now. It doesn't mean that one can't theorise that they are really something else and what has been presented till now is how 'common' people of 'OP world' generally think.
Considering the secrecy Oda put around them for so long, it is only natural to suspect about their true status.Also the way they dress and behave set them apart from any CD( whether it is gullible like Mjosgard or Homing or scoundrel like Roswald family).While them being pure CD would bring some character and dimesion to these nobles, other solutions will be quite dramatic too.

[andre]

I think if they're Celestial Dragons, it's an honorary thing. I have three reasons that seem strong enough for me.

• They don't wear the suits.
• They are culturally diverse.
• They have scars. That implies scuffles with someone for some reason.
  If they're immortal, then this is all moot, of course. Otherwise, I think we'd have to learn some pretty shocking things about the Dragons to believe they are the age they look and just descended like the others.

[Roronoa Zacho]

@andre:

I think if they're Celestial Dragons, it's an honorary thing. I have three reasons that seem strong enough for me.

• They don't wear the suits.
• They are culturally diverse.
• They have scars. That implies scuffles with someone for some reason.
  If they're immortal, then this is all moot, of course. Otherwise, I think we'd have to learn some pretty shocking things about the Dragons to believe they are the age they look and just descended like the others.

I got a Pretty funny head-canon on how 2 of them came to their scars.
The scars leave some Options though:
-they are former FAs from the Navy (or another high rank from the CPs)
-they are really from a time where they had to "fight"

as fake as all the empty-throne-speech was, you can assume those 20 original weapons are quite the weapons the 20 founder kings wielded.

[Captain M]

I think the Five Elders are Celestial Dragons. My interpretation of it all is that the average World Noble is happy to live a life of hedonism, ignorance and cruelty and isn't really concerned with running the world or guiding its politics. The Elders are just the handful of Celestial Dragons that have pursued an education and gained leadership skills and experience. Straight up, I find it hard to imagine them being allowed to have the positions and influence they have without being Celestial Dragons. There's no other way.

It's easy to imagine one of two scenarios. The first, that there don't have to be five Elders and different generations of nobles have had different numbers of Elders based on how many are actually interested in taking on any kind of responsibility for the world they claim to be gods of. The other, that being an Elder is a lifetime appointment and when a slot opens up the remaining four have to approve the new pick.

But this is all loose impressions mixed with headcanon to fill the gaps. The whole upper echelon of the World Government is still so mysterious we can't really do more than that for now.

[Shergal]

Still stand by the notion that the Elders are immortals from the void century, probably generals or whatever that fought to bring down the ancient kingdom. I have a hard time picturing a way for the story to explain their scars, the guy with the sword, and their overall attitude (not to mention the fact that they looked exactly the same way during the Ohara flashback), if they have been born into the highest political sphere from the get-go or even are simply CDs from the highest-ranking families. Oda has made a point of constantly emphasizing how the CDs isolation from the world and position has made them spoiled, entitled pieces of shit, which is completely anathema to how the Elders are portrayed.

Also I think it's weird to think the "gray morality" that some people think they displayed is somehow eroded by the existence of one leader they take orders from. It's as if Imu himself necessarily has to be an Orochi-tier villain, he couldn't possibly have any agency or complicated thoughts about the world, right?

[vlad Dracul]

Don‘t forget CD just don‘t wear their helmets while staying in MG (holy land). We have this fixed image of them wearing because we usually see the CD in the „outside world“. We have seen the five elders only in MG so far.

Regarding their scars, maybe they are connected to the fight in god valley. They don‘t need to be immortal just for some skirmish.

[auem]

@vlad:

Don‘t forget CD just don‘t wear their helmets while staying in MG (holy land). We have this fixed image of them wearing because we usually see the CD in the „outside world“. We have seen the five elders only in MG so far.

Regarding their scars, maybe they are connected to the fight in god valley. They don‘t need to be immortal just for some skirmish.

Common CDs, even in Mari Geoise, definitely don't wear something like loincloth.
Elders are different, even in their dressings. I bet they don't use those 'headgear' even when they come down from their abode.

Also the question about their immortality is being raised because of how they looked like virtually the same( in silhouettes) during Ohara incident.

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@Shergal:

Still stand by the notion that the Elders are immortals from the void century, probably generals or whatever that fought to bring down the ancient kingdom. I have a hard time picturing a way for the story to explain their scars, the guy with the sword, and their overall attitude (not to mention the fact that they looked exactly the same way during the Ohara flashback), if they have been born into the highest political sphere from the get-go or even are simply CDs from the highest-ranking families. Oda has made a point of constantly emphasizing how the CDs isolation from the world and position has made them spoiled, entitled pieces of shit, which is completely anathema to how the Elders are portrayed.

Also I think it's weird to think the "gray morality" that some people think they displayed is somehow eroded by the existence of one leader they take orders from. It's as if Imu himself necessarily has to be an Orochi-tier villain, he couldn't possibly have any agency or complicated thoughts about the world, right?

They need not to be that ancient. Out of 800 years since the formtion of WG, we mostly got the stories of past 40 years. Noland and Brook's pirate crew being the exception.If the elders are CDs, then they could be ex-ministers/royal commanders of the past.If they are commoners,they could be fleet admirals/Royal guards of bygone eras, now forgotten.Though I fully agree with Greg that they were perhaps quite badass in their times.

[Ahlskie]

Hi Greg! Hello Guys!

I just watched the East Blue Saga (again in Onepace) and I realized that the Rocks Pirates and Yonko are foreshadowed in East Blue Saga. I was inspired with your theories and speculations every week. I read all your comments in spoiler thread and here and other thread. I'm just not good in grammar so I can't engage with you guys. So here's what I've observed.

Big Mom - Alvida (Untouchable - fat to getting sexy / (BM) sexy to getting fat)
Mohji - Kaido (Beast trainer vs Beast lover)
Lion pet - Shiki (lion)
Mr. 3 - Whitebeard (white and fire (ace))
Captain John - The treasure
Shanks - Cabaji (sword and left eye)

And here's my full explanation. I'm so excited to share this I end up creating a channel. Please bear my grammar. It's not my first language. I created this channel so I can practice my communication skills. Blackbeard was foreshadowed too. And Shanks! So I think Rocks will be like Buggy but in different way or not.

[Razh]

Sounds like Kubo 4th level secret.

[imperioonepiece]

@Razh:

Sounds like Kubo 4th level secret.

What is that secret?

[Robby]

@imperioonepiece:

What is that secret?

Kenpachi actually makes himself weaker or stronger depending on the opponent so he always has a good fight.

[Shergal]

@auem:

They need not to be that ancient. Out of 800 years since the formtion of WG, we mostly got the stories of past 40 years. Noland and Brook's pirate crew being the exception.If the elders are CDs, then they could be ex-ministers/royal commanders of the past.If they are commoners,they could be fleet admirals/Royal guards of bygone eras, now forgotten.Though I fully agree with Greg that they were perhaps quite badass in their times.

But at that point, if you're gonna make them immortal, why not from 800 years ago? Like what does the story gain from these wise council-type people who are clued in to the secret of the world and apparently are the direct retainers of its 'god', not being part of the main past event that frames the current world? I also think the absurdly strict hierarchy the OP world presents, where if you're not a CD you're literally subhuman in their eyes, makes it awkward to introduce the elders as commoners that rose through the ranks up to the point of becoming the leaders of the world.

[imperioonepiece]

@Robby:

Kenpachi actually makes himself weaker or stronger depending on the opponent so he always has a good fight.

I see, thanks for the info.

Well, that has always been the case with battle shonen, a protagonist always improving and ever stronger enemies.

[Shiebs]

@imperioonepiece:

I see, thanks for the info.

Well, that has always been the case with battle shonen, a protagonist always improving and ever stronger enemies.

No your misunderstanding

He just magically becomes as strong as whoever he's fighting whether they are a weakling or insanely strong

and this BS ability was stated in some random fanmade book, and Kubo was basically like "Yeah of course that was the case all along, totally, no doubt about that :ninja:"

even though nothing in the entire series supported it and it's completely innacuarte with everything written prior

seriously it's f***ing stupid

then again what do you expect from the guy who constantly forgets everything and anything about his own series

[Robby]

@imperioonepiece:

I see, thanks for the info.

Well, that has always been the case with battle shonen, a protagonist always improving and ever stronger enemies.

They don't usually make themselvesweaker when facing someone else though in order to accommodate bad writing.

[imperioonepiece]

I see.

So if Kenpachi were Kaido, it's like Kaido getting as weak as Don Krieg if he ever were to fight him. Now I see why it sucks so much

[desa]

Meh i always say the shonen hero is the worst person to judge a power level by. Whoever he is fighting he is only slightly better even when he should be dominating. Because he's used to make the opponent more appealing to the audience.

[auem]

@desa:

Meh i always say the shonen hero is the worst person to judge a power level by. Whoever he is fighting he is only slightly better even when he should be dominating. Because he's used to make the opponent more appealing to the audience.

That's why OPM is so refreshing.

[NamiRobinFrankyAce]

Greg how much do you think Oda will be involved with the live action series? The showrunner will be Matt Owens,but do you think Oda could even find some time to write some episodes and get a credit for it? Or even if he won't manage to find time to write some episodes script,will he give notes? And what will Owens do in that case? If there is something in which he and Oda are in disgareement,who would get the last word? I'm actually one of the few people that wants the live action series to be very,very different from the manga,because i dont want to watch something i already read and watched with the manga-anime. But i'm just curious about how all the creative process is working,and i wondered if you heard something about it and can actually tell us (a boy can dream).

[Captain M]

While it'd be great to have that original creator input like Game of Thrones got, I think the language barrier would be a huge obstacle for Oda writing a script. It'd have to go through too much translation and presumably a bit of adaptation to get Oda's dialgue style to line up with the way people talk on a western tv show. Just given how far away he is from the whole production, I doubt Oda will be much more than a fairly hands-off consultant.

[NamiRobinFrankyAce]

@Captain:

While it'd be great to have that original creator input like Game of Thrones got, I think the language barrier would be a huge obstacle for Oda writing a script. It'd have to go through too much translation and presumably a bit of adaptation to get Oda's dialgue style to line up with the way people talk on a western tv show. Just given how far away he is from the whole production, I doubt Oda will be much more than a fairly hands-off consultant.

Thats probably for the best in my opinion

[Greg]

I strongly believe there's room for optimism with respect to that topic.

[Hudell]

Any general idea of how long it'll take to have a trailer or teaser for the live action?
Right now I have no idea if it'll take a few months or several years.

[Greg]

The same production company is handling Cowboy Bebop so it may follow a similar model. That is to say you may see a 'now in production' tease relatively early in the process.

[StrawHatJedi]

Sorry to re-post. From a couple pages back:

I want to ask you a question Greg. I re-read the entire series this past summer and noticed that the calendar year in One piece is placed in the 'Age of Kaien'. It's interesting, because calendars in stories often mark year 0 in the current epoch on the calendar based on a world changing event. In our world, for example, the birth of Christ was considered such a monumental event. It's interesting because the calendar year in One Piece is currently 1500 something. Noland sailed in the year 1100 something, which was 400 years before the current story. Joy Boy was said to have made a promise to the Mermaid Princess around the start of the Void Century, 900 years ago. Yet, the message to her was written on the Fishman Island Poneglyph stone. Given what we now know about their origins in Wano, it would seem likely that the apology was placed at the end of the void century. Meaning, the void century occurred between the years 600 - 700 in the Age of Kaien. The World Gov was founded around year 700. Zunesha has been walking for 1000 years, starting around the year 500. What's notable is that, in the world of One Piece, whatever event marks year 0 is considered so important, that even the birth of the World Government, ruled by people who consider themselves literal gods among men, was not significant enough to restart the dating system. They voided out 100 years of history and still didn't start history anew. You would think a missing century would be even easier to hide if the calendar year started with the birth of the Gov. If Zunesha is related in some way to Imu, it would make sense that Imu was alive even further back than the void century. Do you think there is any significance to the 'Age of Kaien' dating system? What could this word 'Kaien' signify? I think the fact that the dating system goes back before the void century and the fact that Zunesha’s origins, likely also a key piece of information, mean that whatever is happening in the One Piece world extends further back in history before the void century, as critical as that period of time is to establishing the current world order. Just wondering if you have any insight.

[Captain M]

@Vongola_Boss_XI:

Sorry to re-post. From a couple pages back:

I want to ask you a question Greg. I re-read the entire series this past summer and noticed that the calendar year in One piece is placed in the 'Age of Kaien'. It's interesting, because calendars in stories often mark year 0 in the current epoch on the calendar based on a world changing event. In our world, for example, the birth of Christ was considered such a monumental event. It's interesting because the calendar year in One Piece is currently 1500 something. Noland sailed in the year 1100 something, which was 400 years before the current story. Joy Boy was said to have made a promise to the Mermaid Princess around the start of the Void Century, 900 years ago. Yet, the message to her was written on the Fishman Island Poneglyph stone. Given what we now know about their origins in Wano, it would seem likely that the apology was placed at the end of the void century. Meaning, the void century occurred between the years 600 - 700 in the Age of Kaien. The World Gov was founded around year 700. Zunesha has been walking for 1000 years, starting around the year 500. What's notable is that, in the world of One Piece, whatever event marks year 0 is considered so important, that even the birth of the World Government, ruled by people who consider themselves literal gods among men, was not significant enough to restart the dating system. They voided out 100 years of history and still didn't start history anew. You would think a missing century would be even easier to hide if the calendar year started with the birth of the Gov. If Zunesha is related in some way to Imu, it would make sense that Imu was alive even further back than the void century. Do you think there is any significance to the 'Age of Kaien' dating system? What could this word 'Kaien' signify? I think the fact that the dating system goes back before the void century and the fact that Zunesha’s origins, likely also a key piece of information, mean that whatever is happening in the One Piece world extends further back in history before the void century, as critical as that period of time is to establishing the current world order. Just wondering if you have any insight.

Counterpoint: how do we know it's still the Age of Kaien? We don't even know if the World Government ever used that calendar at all, since we've never seen a date or time from their perspective, so it's possible that was a time measurement only used by Lvneel, or only in the North Blue.

If we do ever get the official year by the WG's reckoning I get the feeling it'll turn out to be reflective either of its founding or the end of the Void Century.

[maxterdexter]

Is Oda Oden? Momo one piece (the manga) and hyori his actual daughters? 2 and 3 are just spitballing, but in how over the top that Oden is, seems like a parody of a badass. Like there is a joke around here that I’m not getting.

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Is Oda Oden? Momo one piece (the manga) and hyori his actual daughters? 2 and 3 are just spitballing, but in how over the top that Oden is, seems like a parody of a badass. Like there is a joke around here that I’m not getting.

[Solid]

I've long wanted to make this post and, considering chapter 957, here it is: I have a memory from almost 10 years ago of casually reading in some on-line forum that Oda kind of lightly/accidentally revealed to a fan Shanks' full name, that being…
Loggs D. Shanks

If you Google advance search - https://www.google.com/advanced_search - this exact phrasing, you can find 4 results from 2010 and '11; I'm from Italy and remember reading it in an Italian forum, but maybe that doesn't exist Anymore.

I remember this, and yeah most of the info has vanished from the internet, since most discussions took place in forums that don't exist anymore. Apparently Oda said the name on a Jump convention in 2009 or 2010. There is no proof though.

That being said, if you google it in Japanese, you will find a lot more about it. There have been theories about it since then.

ロックズ・D・シャンクス = Locks D. Shanks
モンキー・D・ルフィ = 門鍵・Ｄ・ルフィ = (translated) Gate Key D. Luffy
ゴール・D・ロジャー = Goal D. Roger

Copied from reddit, is the there any merit from this? Did Oda really casually drop out Shanks name as Loggs (Rocks) D Shanks years ago and the whole community forgot or missed it?

[Zhenja]

@Solid:

Did Oda really casually drop out Shanks name as Loggs (Rocks) D Shanks years ago and the whole community forgot or missed it?

Do you really think the community would forget anything, especially if it's something about someone like Shanks?

[Robby]

I'd assume anything that the entire fandom forgot, about a major character, that conveniently no longer has any proof of its existence, should be taken as not actually true.

Hell, we're still harping on the "a former boss will join" quote and that was 12 years ago just prior to Impel Down! Not to mention "the next characters will join in rapid succession" which was clearly about the fleet and that was five years ago now.

The community is not going to have missed "oh btw, this is Shank's first name."

[Razh]

Damn Robby, throwing those numbers out just like that, making me feel old.

First time I hear about anything like that. I figure I'd at least hear about it in these 15 or so years I've been devouring every piece of info available over various forums.

[Solid]

True, its probably some japanese fan theory that got translated and then over time got confused with Odas translation…

However, I have noticed that there is still quotes and interviews that hasnt been translated into english, which is a shame, or maybe it was but it has been lost from the internet...

[maxterdexter]

we are talking about it in Greg’s thread, if that interview had something relevant, or existed, he would know.

Also impel down can’t have been 10 years ago (math) oh, it is, summer 2009 was Amazon lily and first showing of Jimbe.

[Robby]

@maxterdexter:

we are talking about it in Greg’s thread, if that interview had something relevant, or existed, he would know.

Also impel down can’t have been 10 years ago (math) oh, it is, summer 2009 was Amazon lily and first showing of Jimbe.

Impel Down arc started in 525, which was December 2008. Oda's boss quote was prior to that.

It was nearly 12 years ago. Maybe 11.5.

[Greg]

Copied from reddit, is the there any merit from this?

No .

[maxterdexter]

@Robby:

Impel Down arc started in 525, which was December 2008. Oda's boss quote was prior to that.

It was nearly 12 years ago. Maybe 11.5.

There is no way that I missremember a whole year of my life (checks stuff)

Yup, you are right. Good thing I’ve been working for 11 years suddenly.

–- Update From New Post Merge ---

Turns out that I’m mixing up the one day that I tried to edit a page, jimbe reciving the bat from the WG, with the day that I read luffy’s “counting my blessings” and averaging it with the actual Amazon lily timeframe.

[wolfwood]

@Greg:

No .

Just what someone covering their tracks would say.

[Robby]

@maxterdexter:

There is no way that I missremember a whole year of my life (checks stuff)

Yup, you are right. Good thing I’ve been working for 11 years suddenly.

If it helps, people often forget to count the actual occurring first year, the 0, or the current year. 2008-2018 is 11 years, even though it looks like 10. Because we're trained to count 1-10, instead of 0-10, and if you subtract the numbers it comes out to be 10, but…

I remember when Dresserossa was going there was one guy insisting that it was exactly 100 chapters and refused to understand that chapter 700 also counted, no matter how much I explain 700-800 was 101 chapters. And then the arc went to 801 so it was 102 chapters anyway.

[maxterdexter]

In this case it wasn’t that, I keep remembering some life archivements being near some
Specific chapters, that were just lookalikes.

[Cockycent]

Those in charge of that live action show are probably reading and/or watching One Piece before they start doing anything. I would hope so at least. I have no proof, but I doubt those in charge were fans beforehand. Gut feeling, but whatever. Worst case scenario, they are wiki readers. If this is true, it's karma from when I used spark notes for 70% of HS.

Talked about it too many times, but…

• Do they change backstories for "it's an adaptation" purposes?
• How much do they omit? Whole arcs? Personality traits? Around the world reactions and happenings?
• Is it sequenced the same? For example, Nami could be introduced during Syrup Village or Baratie, the same way she was for Orange Town
• How much of the story is changed?

I know what most start off with is "CGI and how it'll look", but before they even get there, what will the story be like. All the money in the world for a good looking One Piece live action series can't cover up a shitty adaptation. That Dragon Ball writer's comment always comes back to mind when I think of any live action adaptation for anime. I'm aware that the difference is Oda is involved, but many mangaka have been shown to be too generous in my opinion. From my point of view, they are vocal, but too kind and humble at times. Manga and anime are in a way better place today, but are still not respected that much in entertainment imo. Especially with so many cartoons trying to use the "anime" tag to market, while actual anime don't get the same marketing.

Those in charge should make AP forum or some other OP related community accounts, read OP and take their time. Even then that wouldn't be enough, but it's a great start.

[Z0R0]

@Cockycent:

Those in charge of that live action show are probably reading and/or watching One Piece before they start doing anything. I would hope so at least. I have no proof, but I doubt those in charge were fans beforehand. Gut feeling, but whatever. Worst case scenario, they are wiki readers. If this is true, it's karma from when I used spark notes for 70% of HS.

Talked about it too many times, but…

• Do they change backstories for "it's an adaptation" purposes?
• How much do they omit? Whole arcs? Personality traits? Around the world reactions and happenings?
• Is it sequenced the same? For example, Nami could be introduced during Syrup Village or Baratie, the same way she was for Orange Town
• How much of the story is changed?

I know what most start off with is "CGI and how it'll look", but before they even get there, what will the story be like. All the money in the world for a good looking One Piece live action series can't cover up a shitty adaptation. That Dragon Ball writer's comment always comes back to mind when I think of any live action adaptation for anime. I'm aware that the difference is Oda is involved, but many mangaka have been shown to be too generous in my opinion. From my point of view, they are vocal, but too kind and humble at times. Manga and anime are in a way better place today, but are still not respected that much in entertainment imo. Especially with so many cartoons trying to use the "anime" tag to market, while actual anime don't get the same marketing.

Those in charge should make AP forum or some other OP related community accounts, read OP and take their time. Even then that wouldn't be enough, but it's a great start.

If you are expecting the live action to follow the Manga story to a tee, you'll be sadly mistaken.

I'd be surprised if they follow much of it, aside from the basics