Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

JDub

Hey Greg, long time listener first time caller. Jabra posted something in the spoiler thread for the last chapter, and I'd been thinking about it myself and wanted to get your take on it. A lot of people here have noted that Wano's pacing feels off from how Oda normally does it, but Oda's been playing around with his story telling recently (stuff like Whole Cake having musical numbers, Wano's defined act structure mirroring that of kabuki) and I was curious if the tone and pacing of the arc is a characteristic of kabuki theater that's gotten lost in translation.

Here's Jabra's post from the spoiler thread btw.
@Jabra:

During the early days of Wano some people noted that the paneling and pacing mirrors a Kabuki-play, maybe that's why it feels so off? I don't know anything about that kind of theatre, but it might explain why everything is so abrupt and clunky?

It wouldn't make the reading experience any more enjoyable, but at least it would make me go from Jackie Chan-face…. to this: :ermm:.

ituuyofuzea

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Johnny B. Decent

Well, I don't know much about Kabuki, but I feel that the whole prison sub-plot is dragging ass, pacing-wise.

Greg

Sadly I'm not 'Mr. Kabuki' so I can't say that for certain. I mean, some of the framing is REEEEEEALLY obvious to point of breaking the 4th wall, but besides those panels/scenes which we can all tell, I don't know much about any subtle aspects he might be trying to include.

Although it's not kabuki, he's DEFINITELY pulling every trope out of the box when it comes to samurai films. Zoro is basically just throwing rocks at a box of samurai movie DVDs.

As for how it's playing out, yes, it's definitely skipping about in a form that feels a bit more episodic than it does normally (which it is by nature) but that again lends it to feeling more like a jidaigeki tv drama than it does a kabuki which are loooooooooooong drawn out scenes.

Solid

Nice, I love it.

Zoro stumbling on different characters and situations reminds me of Yojimbo, and the whole gathering of samurais of 7 Samurai.
Do you have have any recommendation of any samurai films outside of Kurosawas to watch?

And do you think theres a chance we might have a western themed arc inspired by western movies? Or is that already incorporated throughout the one piece world?

wolfwood

@Solid:

Do you have have any recommendation of any samurai films outside of Kurosawas to watch?

Zatoichi is pretty fun. Y'know the guy Fujitora is based on.

The wandering blind samurai

Solid

Yeah, I’ve been wanting to see those. Seen a few clips on youtube.

Robby

@Solid:

Nice, I love it.

Zoro stumbling on different characters and situations reminds me of Yojimbo, and the whole gathering of samurais of 7 Samurai.
Do you have have any recommendation of any samurai films outside of Kurosawas to watch?

The Zatoichi stuff is pretty good. He's a blind samurai, has like 40 movies or something ridiculous like that.

Not a full movie, but this 8 minute short is pretty cool. It takes old footage and splices it against some CGI to make a sort of Tarantino version of a samurai film. I know I went "holy crap" more than once when I first saw it.

I would kill for this to have actually been a full movie.

Greg

The year is 2005:
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=201&p=3560&viewfull=1#post3560

The year is 2019:
re-reads Chapter 935

Welp, guess it's time I turned in my badge.

vlad Dracul

@Robby:

[…] Not a full movie, but this 8 minute short is pretty cool. It takes old footage and splices it against some CGI to make a sort of Tarantino version of a samurai film. I know I went "holy crap" more than once when I first saw it.

I would kill for this to have actually been a full movie.

haha this is actually really fun, what a shame that it's no full movie
laughed my ass off at the end

andre

@Greg:

The year is 2005:
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=201&p=3560&viewfull=1#post3560

The year is 2019:
re-reads Chapter 936

Welp, guess it's time I turned in my badge.

Ah, the tentacle rape.

Seafarer33

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wolfwood

Reading old Greg posts feels like flashing back to that crazy fun guy you used know but grew up and got the suit and suitcase filled with responsibilities. Oh the hardships of growing old on an anime forum. The men who knew the board back then yadda yadda reminiscing like an old man.

Solid

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Solid

@Robby:

The Zatoichi stuff is pretty good. He's a blind samurai, has like 40 movies or something ridiculous like that.

Not a full movie, but this 8 minute short is pretty cool. It takes old footage and splices it against some CGI to make a sort of Tarantino version of a samurai film. I know I went "holy crap" more than once when I first saw it.

I would kill for this to have actually been a full movie.

Wow, that is crazy but awesome. Gotta find some old Zatoichi flicks.

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@wolfwood:

Reading old Greg posts feels like flashing back to that crazy fun guy you used know but grew up and got the suit and suitcase filled with responsibilities. Oh the hardships of growing old on an anime forum. The men who knew the board back then yadda yadda reminiscing like an old man.

Indeed, I remember a young Wolfwood with an extreme amount of libido preaching to the kid Solid. xD

Greg

@wolfwood:

Reading old Greg posts feels like flashing back to that crazy fun guy you used know but grew up and got the suit and suitcase filled with responsibilities. Oh the hardships of growing old on an anime forum. The men who knew the board back then yadda yadda reminiscing like an old man.

Yeeeeeeah.

Robby can attest to the fact that I'm still that guy but I gotta be careful what I say at all times now. Maybe when One Piece ends ^o^

There are books worth of material I want to be able to write about and discuss but then there's this tiny little filter that I have put all of that through and in the end it just isn't worthwhile because I wind up not being able to write anything of worth.

I will say though (probably more than people think and certainly more than my haters like to think) I'm still mercifully ignorant to many story developments which means I can comment on that stuff to no end.

Johnny B. Decent

@Greg:

The year is 2005:
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=201&p=3560&viewfull=1#post3560

The year is 2019:
re-reads Chapter 936

Welp, guess it's time I turned in my badge.

I'm a bit confused. What is this all about?

Greg

Back in 2005 I defended a dude who was getting crapped on for saying that OP could have a space arc. I did that because there's very little that we can say with absolute certainty that would be impossible for the flow of OP which I learned the hard way myself prior to that.

I (using hyperbole) said that one of the only things we can say for sure will never occur in OP is Nami tentacle pron.

Well, that kinda sorta just happened…

CHiZZoPs

@wolfwood:

Reading old Greg posts feels like flashing back to that crazy fun guy you used know but grew up and got the suit and suitcase filled with responsibilities. Oh the hardships of growing old on an anime forum. The men who knew the board back then yadda yadda reminiscing like an old man.

Amen, brother. Those were the days, I tell ye.

Razh

@Greg:

The year is 2005:
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=201&p=3560&viewfull=1#post3560

The year is 2019:
re-reads Chapter 936

Welp, guess it's time I turned in my badge.

Just some light flashing, too early for that.

But now I'm curious. Do you think there's even a little chance Oda might actually go that far? As some kind of fanservice or a nod to a cliche? Or would it be something he wouldn't even consider as bad as we here do?

Hudell

@Razh:

Just some light flashing, too early for that.

But now I'm curious. Do you think there's even a little chance Oda might actually go that far? As some kind of fanservice or a nod to a cliche? Or would it be something he wouldn't even consider as bad as we here do?

I assume that is the reason for that panel back in 935.

Razh

@Hudell:

I assume that is the reason for that panel back in 935.

Completely forgot about/supressed that thing. Hmmm…

Solid

Theres also the weird planet-like “island” that Capone ended up on before the timeskip. Personally i’d love to see a sci fi inspired arc. Maybe Vegapunks arc?

T.D.A

What are the typical samurai tropes Zoro has be involved in during Wano so far?

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

@Greg:

Back in 2005 I defended a dude who was getting crapped on for saying that OP could have a space arc. I did that because there's very little that we can say with absolute certainty that would be impossible for the flow of OP which I learned the hard way myself prior to that.

I (using hyperbole) said that one of the only things we can say for sure will never occur in OP is Nami tentacle pron.

Well, that kinda sorta just happened…

I means its a reference but its not like nami gets assaulted or anything.
Unless you're implying oda offscreened literal hentai

wolfwood

@Solid:

Indeed, I remember a young Wolfwood with an extreme amount of libido preaching to the kid Solid. xD

And i mean on the basis of that tutelage you turned out fine….ish.

A little AP family in ya life does a body good.

@Greg:

Yeeeeeeah.

Robby can attest to the fact that I'm still that guy but I gotta be careful what I say at all times now. Maybe when One Piece ends ^o^

There are books worth of material I want to be able to write about and discuss but then there's this tiny little filter that I have put all of that through and in the end it just isn't worthwhile because I wind up not being able to write anything of worth.

I will say though (probably more than people think and certainly more than my haters like to think) I'm still mercifully ignorant to many story developments which means I can comment on that stuff to no end.

RIP to Greg's ability to shit post and trade back and forths without people taking it as a prophecy being delivered from on high

@CHiZZoPs:

Amen, brother. Those were the days, I tell ye.

Wonder how many of the old timers still check in from time to time.

I know barely anyone posts but the lurker count might be higher.

@Long:

I means its a reference but its not like nami gets assaulted or anything.
Unless you're implying oda offscreened literal hentai

Well a tentacle on naked skin is still a tentacle on naked skin.

NamiRobinFrankyAce

Of course there will be a moon arc. We recently talked about it in the 'New World' thread too.

FelRes

But will there be octopus situations on the moon?

Greg

Of course there will be a moon arc. We recently talked about it in the 'New World' thread too.

Well, we say that now but this was back before we knew that Ener would actually make it to the moon ^O^

Joy Boy

Greg any predictions on how Act 2 will end ?

Shiebs

Am I the only one who thinks Marco and Jozu are gonna lose there devil fruits to black beard pirates? I don't know why I think that I Just do

FelRes

I don't get the weird fascination with Jozu's fruit. I don't expect Marco to die either.

andre

Weird to think that this forum is probably older than a chunk of its members at this point.

wolfwood

@andre:

Weird to think that this forum is probably older than a chunk of its members at this point.

One would think so. But then again i think forums are sort of an old form of hangout where mostly us old old men hang out. But sure there has to be a few peeps below the age of 14 who have never existed in a world without AP

maxterdexter

<right on="" cue="" when="" the="" internet="" communities="" subject="" starts="">Forums are a dying breed. For hype, there's reddit, for talk there are chats like discord, there's twitter for reach, and maybe something else the young'uns are already adopting like the tik tok or the myspace.

Point being forums are particulary good to express an idea and to be filed and stored, instead of rated, shared or whatever.</right>

NamiRobinFrankyAce

Forum are for better quality discussions. Facebook is full of dumb stuff and the One Piece thread on Reddit is pure trash in my opinion.

Jawad5

@NamiRobinFrankyAce:

Forum are for better quality discussions. Facebook is full of dumb stuff and the One Piece thread on Reddit is pure trash in my opinion.

everywhere else on the internet it's always people talking about their zoro sharingan closed eye fanfiction prediction and getting obsessed and defensive over it, even other forums, this is my last bastion to lurk in.

Shiebs

@FelRes:

I don't get the weird fascination with Jozu's fruit. I don't expect Marco to die either.

I mean if you were the Black Beard pirates and you were looking for abilities to steal, wouldn't you want a super powerful fruit that even Mihawk couldn't cut? Given how many swordsman exist in One Piece

RomanceDawn

@Shiebs:

Am I the only one who thinks Marco and Jozu are gonna lose there devil fruits to black beard pirates? I don't know why I think that I Just do

A bunch of folks discussed this for some time. Before Shiryu got the Clear Clear fruit a lot of people thought maybe he'll get Jozu's diamond fruit due to being Zoro's eventual opponent plus the cutting diamond comment to Daz Bones. I wasn't really for it or against it but the idea that the Black Beards would end up some dark twisted version of the White Beards isn't too out there.

Black'N Stein already has 2 fruit powers from previous White Beard Pirates I could easily see Jozu and Marco losing their fruits to a couple of Black Beards' captains.

My favorite theory though is our lord and savior Jesus Burgess rising from the ashes with the Phoenix fruit! Look at those pecks that man has chicken breasts! Perfect for a bird zoan! He's a physical fighter that seems to always get wrecked on panel so Zoan that heals seems perfect. He's got that big bird on his belt and darn it his name is Jesus!

Jesus VS Sanji! Empty handed martial artists, both flying and producing flames. G66 looks an awful lot like 666, the perceived mark of the beast lol. He should fight Jesus!

Blissed

@FelRes:

I don't get the weird fascination with Jozu's fruit

People had some long-standing theories/assumptions about Mihawk/Zoro/Shiryu. Taking it as a given that Shiryu would get the Diamond DF was one of them.

Shiebs

@RomanceDawn:

A bunch of folks discussed this for some time. Before Shiryu got the Clear Clear fruit a lot of people thought maybe he'll get Jozu's diamond fruit due to being Zoro's eventual opponent plus the cutting diamond comment to Daz Bones. I wasn't really for it or against it but the idea that the Black Beards would end up some dark twisted version of the White Beards isn't too out there.

Black'N Stein already has 2 fruit powers from previous White Beard Pirates I could easily see Jozu and Marco losing their fruits to a couple of Black Beards' captains.

My favorite theory though is our lord and savior Jesus Burgess rising from the ashes with the Phoenix fruit! Look at those pecks that man has chicken breasts! Perfect for a bird zoan! He's a physical fighter that seems to always get wrecked on panel so Zoan that heals seems perfect. He's got that big bird on his belt and darn it his name is Jesus!

Jesus VS Sanji! Empty handed martial artists, both flying and producing flames. G66 looks an awful lot like 666, the perceived mark of the beast lol. He should fight Jesus!

I could tots see him with Marco's fruit, although I wouldn't be surprised if he got Jozu's fruit either, since he has a similar build and his two attacks he does are exactly like Jozu's, you know the wario shoulder slam and the power bomb attack, I could see it going either way to be honest

Randy1031

@andre:

Weird to think that this forum is probably older than a chunk of its members at this point.

oof.

@wolfwood:

One would think so. But then again i think forums are sort of an old form of hangout where mostly us old old men hang out. But sure there has to be a few peeps below the age of 14 who have never existed in a world without AP

Double oof.

Greg

Greg any predictions on how Act 2 will end ?

Hmmmmm….

If it follows any sort of traditional story-telling, especially with recent developments, I think it will end on an upbeat note after a low-note. Whether it does or does not is up in the air but at some point we need to feel the Strawhats can do this. In reality they feel massively OP to me at the moment but that is just me overanalyzing, my point is, casual readers should be feeling like things kinda seem impossible right now so Oda will give us an upbeat and reassuring end to the second act.

....before it all falls to sh*t

auem

Well, we only got Ha, not Jo, right?
Can the Oden flashback be Jo?

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@Greg:

…............

Momo isn't doing that training for nothing and it wouldn't have the same impact if Momo hit him first to be followed up by Luffy simply because it's hard to believe Momo could hit him anywhere meaningful enough to make that kind of a diffence.

...............

Yesh.

Momo's training can fruitful if he can knock out Orochi too.Orochi is the face of the Kaidou's rule in front of Wano people, so beating him should also qualify Momo to claim Shogun's position. I know the story of Momotaro and it's implication is too big to ignore, still it is hard to imagine Momo doing any damage to Kaidou even in his most vulnerable situation.

Greg

still it is hard to imagine Momo doing any damage to Kaidou even in his most vulnerable situation.

Not trying to be a smartass. Just asking you to consider the pattern here.

In no order….

When reading XYZ arc it was hard to imagine:

-Sanji baking a cake
-Mom not being the worst person ever
-Sanji wearing the suit of his hated family
-Judge saving Sanji
-Usopp fighting Luffy in earnest
-Haki being an actual thing
-Oda killing a character in real time
-Oda killing a character in real time besides Ace and WB
-Mingo having a goofy brother who's actually a Marine Oda drew months in advance.
-Imu
-ROX
-no srsly ROX
-Giant straw hat
-Ener would get to the moon
-Zoro beat Ryuma

etc.

Oda's job is literally to think of a way to make that 'hard to imagine' possible.

wolfwood

Everytime i read Imu i throw up a little in my mouth

Greg

Also, new column is up. I recommend the bit about there being a link between Koshiro and the Kozuki family.

https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20190508_1031.html?l=en

andre

@Greg:

Also, new column is up. I recommend the bit about there being a link between Koshiro and the Kozuki family.

https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20190508_1031.html?l=en

Thinking of Koshiro, I'm still waiting for Ku- I mean Tashigi and Smoker to show up at some point this arc.

Greg

@andre:

Thinking of Koshiro, I'm still waiting for Ku- I mean Tashigi and Smoker to show up at some point this arc.

In a flashback, yeah I think that's very possible. In real time? Iunno, Oda's gonna have to have planted some major foreshadowing for us to swallow that. Possible! But I'm not sure he has the threads for it.

NamiRobinFrankyAce

@Greg:

In a flashback, yeah I think that's very possible. In real time? Iunno, Oda's gonna have to have planted some major foreshadowing for us to swallow that. Possible! But I'm not sure he has the threads for it.

It was showed they met Vegapunk,and Vegapunk might be important in this Wano/Reverie arc,considering the meeting between Orochi and the CP0,so it is possible for them to appear.