Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

andre

Not sure of the ethics behind quoting from another thread, but Greg and everyone else, what do you think about this:

Oda just revealed Fifth Gear.

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I don't know why we didn't see it coming before. Fifth Gear is going to be Luffy willingly utilizing fire (a la Ace/Sanji/Doflamingo/Katakuri).

Second Gear - Fourth Gear gave Luffy a smoke shroud.

After the timeskip, Luffy can produce fire via Red Hawk.

Fourth Gear - Snakeman gives Luffy a smoke AND fire shroud (as evidenced by the cover of Vol 89).

It's likely unlocked through passion or the power of your heart (as Oda mentioned in an SBS when a reader asked why Sanji could light himself ablaze). This means that Sanji was the first Straw Hat to unlock it (when he had to protect the people he cared about most–Nami and Robin) and Luffy unlocked it after he failed to protect Ace. Other characters have also used this in the series. Doflamingo uses Overheat and Katakuri uses Burning Mochi.

Well done, Oda.

EDIT: The Fire Festival is the perfect place for this to be unveiled. Combined with Ace’s history on Wano (how does he tie to the card theme—was he affiliated with Kaido at one point?) I’m sure we’re in for an amazing arc.

Not sure if this would be Gear 5, but it would be pretty cool if this is more foreshadowing of Flame Luffy. It also reminds me of the Volume 27 cover where a winged Luffy is winking (presumably at us, the reader). Not sure if there are other instances of him winking on volume covers or in colorspreads in this same manner, but if not, I would be amped if it is indeed foreshadowing, not only for Fire Luffy, but for what this might mean in regards to theories about the D folks.

Greg

Not sure of the ethics behind quoting from another thread, but Greg and everyone else, what do you think about this:

Not sure if it's up yet but my thought for Gear 5th is the pamphlet that Kinnemon is dispersing.

Shiebs

@Greg:

Not sure if it's up yet but my thought for Gear 5th is the pamphlet that Kinnemon is dispersing.

wait what???

what does the pamphlet have to do with gear 5???

I always figured gear 5 would be his awakening

Robby

@Kdom:

Robby, Kid just show the digesting ability recently so it's not a D specific one

I think you meant to address this to someone else?

@andre:

It also reminds me of the Volume 27 cover where a winged Luffy is winking (presumably at us, the reader).

Old theory about that which I think still holds weight… Luffy is winking, while wearing wings on his back. Later, we learned Skypeians are from the moon (or at least space.)

Short Theory- The D's are descended from Moon people.
Crazy theory- The D's aren't D's at all, but symbols showing half moons, indicating half breeds or some such... but that fact has been lost to the void century. Void century about meeting aliens and then having a war with them?

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

@MarcelloF:

Didn't Whitebeard say Teach isn't a true "D"?

Nah he just said blackbeard wont find be the one who finds the treasure and challenges the world to a fight

Greg

@Shiebs:

wait what???

what does the pamphlet have to do with gear 5???

I always figured gear 5 would be his awakening

It's Luffy's face looking Gearish.

gyuukarubi

@Greg:

Not sure if it's up yet but my thought for Gear 5th is the pamphlet that Kinnemon is dispersing.

GREG COMES IN WITH THE MAJOR ASSIST!!!!

Sheesh! Why didn’t I pay attention to this sooner?! It’s LUFFY’S FACE IN FOURTH GEAR

*Minks are “men” like Fishmen. Why are their primal instincts only unlocked by the moon?
*”Foxfire” Kin’emon and the fire festival
*The waning crescent moon, the flaming cranes, and the Infinite Ouroboros
*Fairy Vearth, the moon phases, and the ancient people of D

Shiebs

@Greg:

It's Luffy's face looking Gearish.

I'm not getting it?

are we talking about this page?

https://www.mangadex.org/chapter/465931/6

Greg

@Shiebs:

I'm not getting it?

are we talking about this page?

https://www.mangadex.org/chapter/465931/6

Stop looking at it as individual objects and instead as a whole.

gyuukarubi

Did the anime make a mistake when animating Luffy’s Fourth Gear transformation? They make his markings seem like a DF rather than fire. Or…?

Shiebs

@Greg:

Stop looking at it as individual objects and instead as a whole.

oh lol I see it now

still expect Oda to make Luffy 8 meters tall in his next form, just waaaaaaay to many times he's dropped the 8 meters number

https://www.mangadex.org/chapter/309348/12

https://www.mangadex.org/chapter/106078/4

I'm pretty sure there's another example but I can't find it lol

theackwardstation

@Greg:

Their powers don't appear to be innate, they stem from the suits

I don't think that's true. Niji did use electric powers without his suit in his fight against Sanji at the beginning of WCI, around chapter 840.

Greg

@theackwardstation:

I don't think that's true. Niji did use electric powers without his suit in his fight against Sanji at the beginning of WCI, around chapter 840.

That's a great observation I didn't remember!

In that event it raises a question of origin. My question would be, is there a device on his body? Interesting that Oda hasn't offered so much as a hint to it.

But my point for precisely how he's handled his main character still remains.

gyuukarubi

@Greg:

That's a great observation I didn't remember!

In that event it raises a question of origin. My question would be, is there a device on his body? Interesting that Oda hasn't offered so much as a hint to it.

But my point for precisely how he's handled his main character still remains.

Sanji is the same way, though. I get the feeling that Oda has had Sanji consistently take Ls in part 2 because he mastered the elemental ability way earlier than the other Straw Hats. Judge worked under Vegapunk and I’m sure that factored into the genetic engineering of the Vinsmoke children. Didn’t Yonji also mention Vegapunk’s discovery of bloodline elements?

Ichiji/Sanji: Fire
Niji: Electricity
Yonji: Earth
Reiju: Water

I also wonder if Nami knows about this, given her experience with Weatheria. How does the Clima-Takt work?

uniaka ikuzakas

@Greg:

In that event it raises a question of origin. My question would be, is there a device on his body? Interesting that Oda hasn't offered so much as a hint to it.

But my point for precisely how he's handled his main character still remains.

It's not just niji, but Ichiji also shoots lazors from his eyes, doesn't seem to be based on the suit, and the main point of the story was that they are born with exoskeleton and superpowers, reason why sanji was fail.

The point of the suit seem to be that it just improves them even further. Kinda like franky and his general franky armor.

Reiju is the special case since she seems to be fruit user. Futher proof that the power doesn't come from the suit.

theackwardstation

@Greg:

That's a great observation I didn't remember!

In that event it raises a question of origin. My question would be, is there a device on his body? Interesting that Oda hasn't offered so much as a hint to it.

But my point for precisely how he's handled his main character still remains.

Well, honestly, I think OP is very "loose" in some matters, so I don't really make too much of an effort to have rationalize this kind of stuff. That said, I'll give my 2 cents.

Sanji's fire powers don't need to come from genetic manipulation like happened to his brothers. In fact, I agree with you that it didn't need much of an explanation for why Sanji could do Diable Jamble, and Oda did initially explain it as friction caused from the spinning, therefore not as something innate in his body, although everything was a little weird.

However, this initial explanation seems to have been abandoned after the time skip, when Sanji stopped spinning to use Diable Jamble and could use over the top fire attacks like Hell Memories. That could be just a cartoonish evolution of Sanji's control over his technique, but perhaps Oda had new ideas for his powers. I wouldn't be surprised if his fire powers are indeed genetic.

Hisoga

speaking about Awakening, so far we have seen Awakening Zoan and Paramecia. But, for paramecia, we saw awakening from paramecia user that can produce stuff from their body where their awakening will change non-living thing around them to the stuff that they can produce from their body. I wonder if awakening will be the same or not from user with different style of paramecia for example like Law/Ivankov/Kuma or Luffy style where the df completely alter user body.

Greg

Ooh!

This is a point that should be considered regarding Sanji's post time-skip Diable initiation.

This is purely conjecture however I would contend to you that it fits Oda's general MO for making his life easier since 2011.

Sanji is still sparking Diable Jambe with friction, but he's just awesome at it now. I would suggest that a single kick off the ground is all he needs. The anime probably ignores this and has him light up at will similar to his full-body ignition from Thriller Bark.

It's possible that's not the case but given his penchant for lighting up cigarettes, I would be surprised if he wasn't using his shoe or shoes like matches every time.

Md-Martin

I like the Red Hawk theory Greg. But question, since whatever it would be (Like being a D) allowed Luffy to absorb a portion of Ace's power, then what do you believe the purpose was of having Teach cover himself to absorb Whitebeard's ability?

Robby

@Md-Martin:

I like the Red Hawk theory Greg. But question, since whatever it would be (Like being a D) allowed Luffy to absorb a portion of Ace's power, then what do you believe the purpose was of having Teach cover himself to absorb Whitebeard's ability?

To not give away to the crowd what exactly he is doing.

BB fully absorbed WB's power, not just copied an aspect of it, so he actually got the entire fruit rather than a remnant. If that's just from having a bowl of fruit in his coat and then he ate the new DF ala Smiley, well that is what it is… or if he used his darkness powers to physically pull the thing out? WE dunno. But he was putting on a show.

wolfwood

That put a fruit next to it thing is by far the dumbest thing to ever be put on page in OP.

maxterdexter

It was the sheet

andre

I don't have a problem with the fruit thing. Blackbeards entire ascent is because of his knowledge of Devil Fruits and what they look like. Logically, it won't work if it's any old fruit, but only the right one. If we assume that there are hundreds of different fruits, or that they are all unique, the odds of it happening are generally low. Blackbeard knows the secret and knows the different fruits.

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@Robby:

Old theory about that which I think still holds weight… Luffy is winking, while wearing wings on his back. Later, we learned Skypeians are from the moon (or at least space.)

Short Theory- The D's are descended from Moon people.
Crazy theory- The D's aren't D's at all, but symbols showing half moons, indicating half breeds or some such... but that fact has been lost to the void century. Void century about meeting aliens and then having a war with them?

I remember this old theory, which is why seeing Luffy wink on this cover blew me away. Unless he's done so on another color spread somewhere, these would be the only two instances, which is interesting since both theories involve Luffy as a D.

Looking through other covers to double check, the only other instance of winking is Rayleigh on volume 52. Wonder what that implies?

last aside: It was wonderful looking through all of the volume covers. I can almost remember all of the threads waiting for them on here.

Nupas2312

@theackwardstation:

Well, honestly, I think OP is very "loose" in some matters, so I don't really make too much of an effort to have rationalize this kind of stuff. That said, I'll give my 2 cents.

Sanji's fire powers don't need to come from genetic manipulation like happened to his brothers. In fact, I agree with you that it didn't need much of an explanation for why Sanji could do Diable Jamble, and Oda did initially explain it as friction caused from the spinning, therefore not as something innate in his body, although everything was a little weird.

However, this initial explanation seems to have been abandoned after the time skip, when Sanji stopped spinning to use Diable Jamble and could use over the top fire attacks like Hell Memories. That could be just a cartoonish evolution of Sanji's control over his technique, but perhaps Oda had new ideas for his powers. I wouldn't be surprised if his fire powers are indeed genetic.

imo i always think it has to do in PS with Sanjis anger(Heart) now more than anything

Emotions give characters abilities in OP it seems like Zoro and using fear to paralyze Monet.

I'm this makes sense. As u said OP as a verse is very loose and it the series combines mutiple different types of powers u see from cartoonish, gag, typical Shounen etc..

Only thing in OP that isn't "loose" is those extreme type of powers(gum gum, Mera Mera etc) hence DFs or other special means (racial/clan exclusive abilities, ancient weapons, special items etc) are for that.

Speaking of which, I know Some people who also don't like it, that Sanjis fire isnt backed by some energy source(it's not related to Haki) For me it's whatever I'm cool either way Op as a verse is very loose and unrestricted and thats why I'm such a huge fan of it's systems. As compared to series that have it that are opposite and limit it to only 1 source(ex Naruto with chakra).

But maybe that's cause im just fatigued of the energy Monopolizing series like Naruto , Bleach, DBZ(not that they are bad) I just prefer OP more open system altho the series has Haki, plus there DF which they makeup the majority of sources of powers for characters. But they are not the end all be all like Chakra(Naruto) and Reiatsu(Bleach) and Ki(DB) is

But DF and going forward as we learn more about Haki, they have the most potential to make u powerful and take u at the top.

Sorry for making this post long, just had alot to say

Thanos2

@Robby:

To not give away to the crowd what exactly he is doing.

BB fully absorbed WB's power, not just copied an aspect of it, so he actually got the entire fruit rather than a remnant. If that's just from having a bowl of fruit in his coat and then he ate the new DF ala Smiley, well that is what it is… or if he used his darkness powers to physically pull the thing out? WE dunno. But he was putting on a show.

What is this Red Hawk Theory? Could someone elaborate on it further.

maxterdexter

Is in the previous two pages of this thread.

Thanos2

@maxterdexter:

Is in the previous two pages of this thread.

I see. Thanks a lot.

uniaka ikuzakas

If this theory becomes true, I wonder if fire luffy would burn akainu instead of sabo.

T

@Greg, May I know your opinion on Fake News Morgans? Is he from a species of Bird-People like the minks are Beast-People? Does the Revolutionary Karasu also belong to the same race. It may appear that Karasu is a human using an artificial beak but it may also be that Karasu, a Bird broke his beak and therefore needs to keep it tied for him to speak. That explains his low voice as well.

Sean D. Capitan

Hey Greg. I don't know if you saw this, but what do you think?

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Is it possible that this guy is a Mink/Samurai, Kawamatsu, part of Roger's Pirates, Oden's Retainer, and also the guy locked up in Kaido's prison? Would that make sense?

I saw this theory on a Brazilian Youtube video, and if its true…how subtle is ODA with that draw of Inuarashi and Nekomamushi...Jesus...he's a genius!

Here is the video.

RigaCrypto

@Sean:

Hey Greg. I don't know if you saw this, but what do you think?

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https://i.gyazo.com/d60fef322624e81288bcec0109b6abcd.png https://i.gyazo.com/5039d0354aa181d23e0e42de45af04ba.png

Is it possible that this guy is a Mink/Samurai, Kawamatsu, part of Roger's Pirates, Oden's Retainer, and also the guy locked up in Kaido's prison? Would that make sense?

It is very possible since it isn't clear how Jack found Zunisha when looking for Raizou, Kaido could keep an important Mink as prisoner for an eventual confrontation with the Mink tribe & it could also be a reason why he eats dead fish (him beign a feline / bear mink or smth).

maxterdexter

He seems to be the crocus visitor, then he can't be the unknown prissioner.

Blissed

@RigaCrypto:

It is very possible since it isn't clear how Jack found Zunisha when looking for Raizou, Kaido could keep an important Mink as prisoner for an eventual confrontation with the Mink tribe & it could also be a reason why he eats dead fish (him beign a feline / bear mink or smth).

But a Mink prisoner wouldn't explain why it's highly implied that they used a Vivre Card to find Zou, since said prisoner would be at Wano, not Zou.

maxterdexter

The vivre cards point to eachother, not the person. It was revealed back when raigleigh specifically said before the timeskip that he left his card in shabody so that the strawhats go there if they tried to go.

We don't know if ther is a special part of the paper that is the thing that is being tracked, or they point at the biggest piece.

Blissed

@maxterdexter:

The vivre cards point to eachother, not the person. It was revealed back when raigleigh specifically said before the timeskip that he left his card in shabody so that the strawhats go there if they tried to go.

We don't know if ther is a special part of the paper that is the thing that is being tracked, or they point at the biggest piece.

I don't think that really changes what I said. You'd still need a piece of the presumed Vivre Card in question to be present at Zou at the end of the day. I doubt the prisoner just happened to have left a random piece of it on Zou somewhere unattended, or with someone else. Realistically Oda would have it in the traitor's possession if it does indeed exist.

maxterdexter

How does a regular mink go back tozl zou? Either they have one master vivre card for everyone, or they have their own vivre card to go back so in the case of enemy capture they could kill themselves to avoid an invasion.
It would also work as a proof of safety of the traveler.
Vivre cards aren't supposed to be scarce on the new world.

It makes perfect sense to have multiple cards except that such obvious security hole would have to be mentioned already.

Greg

I've seen so many theories about that character over the years and I have to say…. I actually like this one!

It seems to tie a good number of threads together.

Naturally I'd still hope that the character seen with Crocus is Yohki but hell, I like how neatly that could wrap some dangling plot lines!

Kudos to the originator, that's a keeper.

Roronoa Zacho

@Greg:

Stop looking at it as individual objects and instead as a whole.

Funny sidenote:
I told my sister exactly the same (look at the sheet as a whole, not individually), but I covered the flamey stuff at the top, so she would recognize the face easier.
And then she said:"OMG, Breasts!"
I said:"No, look at i again! Look at everything as a whole!" then she saw it.

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@Sean:

Hey Greg. I don't know if you saw this, but what do you think?

!

Is it possible that this guy is a Mink/Samurai, Kawamatsu, part of Roger's Pirates, Oden's Retainer, and also the guy locked up in Kaido's prison? Would that make sense?

I saw this theory on a Brazilian Youtube video, and if its true…how subtle is ODA with that draw of Inuarashi and Nekomamushi...Jesus...he's a genius!

Here is the video.

That is a really nice find. The only issue I got, that in the Panel with inu and neko, the hat-guy seems to be as big as the 2 (small) minks. In the Panel where he kneels to Toki, he seems to be of the same stature as Raizou. IDK how much time between those different Panels is, but it'd be cool if the hat-guy-retainer was with Crocus on the cover. And I hope he went back to Wano.

auem

@Greg:

iirc isn't it not that Teach isn't a 'D', WB simply said he wouldn't be the one to inherit that will or something, no? (Me being lazy not checking as I lay here dying of food poisoning)

Anyway, if Teach wasn't a D then my theory would be even more terrifying if he was indeed a 'T'.

As for Sabo having the fruit, that's not a huge issue in my mind since
1. We've seen synthetic same or same-ish abilities. The will of the universe doesn't seem like it would stop that.
2. Luffy isn't becoming a whirling dervish of pure flame. He seems to have inheritted a teeny-tiny portion of the ability.

Umm, what is 'T'?

Piitan

@auem:

Umm, what is 'T'?

Greg has yet to elaborate on it, if ever (maybe it's too "early" for him to make public such theory?).

If you ask me, having let my imagination run wild when I read that comment, a T. could either be:

a D. who chose to side with the WG, betraying their own kind;
a race which evolved in order to mimick a D. (for what reasons, I couldn't tell).

andre

Greg's theory of D is that is that at the least, it's related to the straw hat, or they are related to whoever is the progenitor of the straw hat. Or maybe more emphasis is placed on how Luffy and others, as D's, bring folks together. Either way, T, as a symbol, could be seen as more divisive? Not sure, but if we're theorizing on Greg's theories, we should probably become reacquainted with them.

And by the way, just noticed Greg has a new article out: https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20190109_0983.html?l=en

Fanboysins

Greg what do you think , why are celestial dragons buying weapons from orochi?At first It seemed that mingo's fall was real blow for kaido , but here orochi is talking to cp like situation is waaay in his favor. By looks of marine tech (Giant battleships, Huge forts , Pacifistas , Vegapunks invention that soon will change warlord system ) World government shouldn't need any help from kaido .What are your thoughts …Am I nitpicking too much??

Will marines really bring vegapunk? If they do guess smoker will be escorting him .(and blueno with whole cp0 in hiding)

Kaido King of the Beasts

@Fanboysins:

Greg what do you think , why are celestial dragons buying weapons from orochi?At first It seemed that mingo's fall was real blow for kaido , but here orochi is talking to cp like situation is waaay in his favor. By looks of marine tech (Giant battleships, Huge forts , Pacifistas , Vegapunks invention that soon will change warlord system ) World government shouldn't need any help from kaido .What are your thoughts …Am I nitpicking too much??

Will marines really bring vegapunk? If they do guess smoker will be escorting him .(and blueno with whole cp0 in hiding)

Where do you think the Marines get their tech from? Seastone comes from Wano, so it seems likely that Doffy was the facilitator of all the Seastone that the Marines got in addition to their weapons. Plus, we knew that Doffy produced SMILEs for Kaido, so maybe weapons and Seastone were what he got in return.

K. Kira XXIII

Will Oda do a play and have Orochi find out about the rebellion? Then he demands CP0 to send two admirals and 2 to 100 pacifista for his deal.

Better yet, the goverment accepts Vegapunk as payment.

auem

Yeah, seastone is the only thing that makes sense. But it is just a stone, not a weapon unless it is crafted. So if WG is indeed buying 'weapons' from them then it should be those specially crafted sealstone weapons that only the smiths of Wano can make;as Hawkins said.

Though i think Oda cornered himself by showing sealstone being specific to Wano only. It warrant the question what were WG doing in all these centuries, by not taking the possession of such valuable minerals? Kaidou has been controlling Wano for couple of decades only. Before him was the era of Oden who was clearly defeat-able.And from the recent comments by Shogun it is clear that his main leverage against WG is Kaidou, not any secret army of unimaginable strength. Considering his greed for power, had Orochi been indeed in the control of such, he wouldn't have let Kaidou to call the shot from behind him.
So unless Wano had some incredible powerful rulers in the past or discovery and application of seastone being a relatively modern thing, it make no sense for WG not to utilise their vast resources to capture and control Wano until now.

Shiebs

wow I never even thought of the repercussions that will happen when SH's defeat Kaidou, I mean what will happen to wano

auem

@Shiebs:

wow I never even thought of the repercussions that will happen when SH's defeat Kaidou, I mean what will happen to wano

Momo will be new shogun with his retainers protecting him and backing of 'fifth Yonkou' ( though 'yon' stand for four lol) Luffy will make him even stronger.
And very soon WG is going to be overthrown any way. They will have to hold on for just little longer.

maxterdexter

The exact quote from hawkings is that the sea prism stone was born in wano, and only wano craftmen can make nails and the such.

We know from skypea that precisely the same material as seastone is the one responsible for making the white sea or the cloud islands have their particular characteristics.

Nothing here speaks to me as exclusivity. Like if everyone had oil but only the Saudi had refineries.

Kdom

@Shiebs:

wow I never even thought of the repercussions that will happen when SH's defeat Kaidou, I mean what will happen to wano

Then Wano will become an open country and will be able to sell seastone and other stuff legally

auem

@maxterdexter:

The exact quote from hawkings is that the sea prism stone was born in wano, and only wano craftmen can make nails and the such.

We know from skypea that precisely the same material as seastone is the one responsible for making the white sea or the cloud islands have their particular characteristics.

Nothing here speaks to me as exclusivity. Like if everyone had oil but only the Saudi had refineries.

Yes,but being something that originate from a place and only the craftsman from the same place being the best at forging it put the whole thing pretty exclusive to that place. Going to the point of doing secret business with the pirates make WG looks like quite dependent on the supply from Wano( notwithstanding the amount of seastone scattered throughout the world by now).
I think WG used to do legal trade with Wano since long before Orochi came to the power, because even a 'closed' nation need outside trade to stock itself with some necessities.But after Kaidou started to pull the strings, they had no other choice but to deal with him. Still it doesn't change the fact that they let such a important land to run independently,considering their greed to maintain the status quo.

P.S: Japan during Tokugawa period also 'closed' it's border in terms of movement of common people and outside 'influences', but they did trade with China and Dutch and occasionally with other people….