Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

[Ivotas]

@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Shiebs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

One Piece GT is gonna be crazy

Edit: because of all the crew members we’ll have

Interesting prospect actually. Who would this 'offboard crew' actually consist of? I mean some obvious choices were mentioned here already but who else would fit the bill? We should keep out alliance crews (like Law) and the Grand Strawhat fleet out because their are a different beast in itself.

Personally from the top of my head I think of Vivi, followed by Yamato, Kinnemon, Momo, Tama, Gimon, Pauly, Kyros and Carrot. Who am I missing?

Oh man, who knows, I definitely agree with Vivi, Yamato, Momo and Tama

Not sure I agree with Gimon as he has his dream of protecting the animals and he has a partner now

Probably not Pauly either, he was never really an unofficial member, at least from what I remember

Kyros has a daughter and his dream is to take care of her and be a good father

And we’ll see what happens with Carrot in the next few chapters

Oh I know who you forgot! Carue! Although he’s kind of a package deal with Vivi

I don't see Gimon to be that different from Vivi and Momo tbh. He want's to protect the residents of his island just as Vivi and Momo do. It might be on a much minor scale and the residents are being animals rather than humans. But the basic premise is the same.

I broughty Pauly and Kyros as an example because while they never were neither invited nor asked to join themselves, they have bonding moments with the protagonist just as Yamato did. The only difference to Yamato is that Yamato actually stated that she wanted to join (was he actually ever asked to join? I don't remember).

Especially during the Franky vs. Pauly days, to many members here on the board, the bonding moments are something that to many members of the board plays an integral role of joining the crew. So I didn't want to dismiss this, since if it has value to people here when talking about the 'onboard crew' it should be allowed when talking about the 'offboard crew'.

You're right Carue also belongs there. I didn't mention him because I see him as a set with Vivi. But considering that he's what got me into watching One Piece in the first place, I definitely should have given a shout out to my boy, the toughest motherquacker in this entire series!

[Shiebs]

@Ivotas

I wasn’t here during Water 7 so I have no idea how certain people were about Pauly joining, but if it’s anything like Wano I could see why people would still hold onto hope about him joining

Again I just don’t see Gaimon joining, I know Luffy asked him early on in the series but I just don’t see it happening, he also can’t really fight like the rest of them, although I guess that’s true for Vivi a bit, but we haven’t seen her in battle for two years so maybe she’s been training

Same thing with Shiroshi, but if Oda doesn’t care about that maybe she’ll hang around also, it would be are first mermaid on the crew, we have a fishman but no merperson

[Ivotas]

@Shiebs
Trust me, you didn't want to be here for that discussion. It was like talking against a brick wall. With Yamato at least there were really good arguments to be made for her joining. Like really good ones. It was actually rather harder to explain why some of us just didn't see her sail with the crew. Same with Brook. The amount of reality bending mental gymnastics for why he wouldn't join, was insane. But let's not go down that route again.

I see what you say about Gimon. But we're not talking about fighting skills here. Just who would be considered to be on such a crew. That being said, I completely forgot about Shirahoshi. Yep, that one seems to fit the bill too.

[wolfwood]

Team Paulie 4 lyfe and you know it

[FatDogForMidTerms]

I was here with a different account back when Thriller Bark was happening and oh my fucking god do you guys remember Perona supporters?

[wolfwood]

I remember A perona supporter if nothing else

[Riddler]

@FatDogForMidTerms said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

I was here with a different account back when Thriller Bark was happening and oh my fucking god do you guys remember Perona supporters?

FatDogForMidTerms is secretly AGOG confirmed.

[FatDogForMidTerms]

@wolfwood said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

I remember A perona supporter if nothing else

if memory serves correctly that guy was uhhhh intense

[Ivotas]

Perona seems to suffer from the same unimaginative character design as the Buster Call Vice-Admirals.

[wolfwood]

How dare you impugn vice-admiral fidel castro like that.

[Ivotas]

@wolfwood That's disappointing. I thought you would be getting the reference.

[Deicide]

I feel I should catch the reference but it eluded me as well. Was it some argument from the nakama threads?

The pre-timeskip nakama threads were wild. Come to think of it, it was the last time we had real candidates, as the last real crewmate to join was Jinbe,

[Riddler]

I'm amazed that the nakama threads are still so active to this day even though, as you just pointed out, the last new crewmember was introduced pre-timeskip. Post-Timeskip just hasn't really been about gaining new crewmembers...it's a stark contrast to pre-TS, where aside from Skypiea, a new member was added to the crew practically every arc. Part of me thinks Oda kept Jinbe from finally joining the crew for such a long time was to keep these debates open, because as long as we knew Jinbe was definitely going to join at some later point, the possibility that someone else might as well in the meantime seemed a lot more believable.

[Ivotas]

Lol, this is Arlong Park Forums. There will be next crewmate threads even after the series has ended. We had people talking about whether Franky was really the best choice in Water Seven long after we've been into Thriller Bark.

@Deicide
The reference was a quote made by exactly THE Perona supporter after her first appearance. It became somewhat of a meme because the dude went from that statement to the Perona supporter we are remember to this day. XD

[Deicide]

@Ivotas

I knew I should've get the reference. I was very active back then, but my memory isn't that good.

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@Riddler said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Part of me thinks Oda kept Jinbe from finally joining the crew for such a long time was to keep these debates open

I see the opposite way. To me, Jinbe was the holding the line, as long as he didn't join, no one else would. Now that he has, we can hope for one last person to join.

[wolfwood]

Seeing what Fuhranky ended up as i wonder if it isn't too late to go back and switch to Paulie

[Ivotas]

@Riddler said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Part of me thinks Oda kept Jinbe from finally joining the crew for such a long time was to keep these debates open, because as long as we knew Jinbe was definitely going to join at some later point, the possibility that someone else might as well in the meantime seemed a lot more believable.

Personally, I think that it took so long because Oda never meant for Jinbe to join. Don't get me wrong, I was a defender of the next crewmate being Fishman helmsman ever since we departed Thriller Bark (you wouldn't believe the shit I've got for that). But I never thought that would be Jinbei, as I thought that Arlong was working for him (of course I cannot prove that). I always thought Jinbei was supposed to be an enemy and the Fishman helmsman would be somebody completely different, and that what we ended up with in the end is a change of plans. Which is what made Jinbe joining such a convoluted mess.

I'm aware that this is all just me theory and nothing that can be backed up with facts. But this entire fact that we ended up with an actual crewmate that wasn't part of the crew for about a decade just gives off the 'change of plans' vibe to me.

@wolfwood said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Seeing what Fuhranky ended up as i wonder if it isn't too late to go back and switch to Paulie

Yeah, even after all these years I just cannot warm up to Franky's post-timeskip design. Popeye Ventura was just too good. At least Brook got rid of that stupid looking crown.

[Bugs]

@Ivotas

Pretty sure his wood is stuck between some actual wood. He ain't boinking anythingl.

[Bugs]

@Ivotas

There is an early design picture of the crew that includes a Jim Boy like character as a helmsmen, which was a big enough spoiler for the character to be erased when the image first showed up in Data Book Green. Oda clearly intended the character to join but things got shifted around when he realized that the series wasn't going to be five years (and he added things like the Warlords to help with the extension).

[Ivotas]

@Bugs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Ivotas

There is an early design picture of the crew that includes a Jim Boy like character as a helmsmen, which was a big enough spoiler for the character to be erased when the image first showed up in Data Book Green. Oda clearly intended the character to join but things got shifted around when he realized that the series wasn't going to be five years (and he added things like the Warlords to help with the extension).

Unfortunally I cannot see the picture. And as I said it just felt like this to me. I'm aware that the reality is something else entirely.

[Bugs]

@Ivotas

Does that work now.

[Ivotas]

Oh, I know that one. Well that one doesn't state that it's Jinbe the Warlord. Just what the fishman helmsman is supposed to look like. So that weird idea still works if we consider that the Warlord Yosaku talked about, was originally supposed to be this guy.^^

But more important than that, fix Franky Oda! We already have Franky Shogun to go all crazy. Bring back Popeye Ventura!

[Deicide]

If I’m not mistaken, the idea of the fishman crewmate came before Jinbe, and at some point the two characters merged. The crewmate had another name originally.

But I’m not sure if the merge happened before or after Oda started the series.

[Alfiere]

I can't look at that picture without weeping, thinking of what could have been with chopper and what we ended up with.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@Ivotas

TIme to spend another 5 years arguing whether Carrot will join the "offboard crew" or not.

(Cuz I think she doesn't)

[wolfwood]

An offboard crewmember is just a friend, don't go sugarcoating Odas lack of follow through

[Shiebs]

@wolfwood said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

An offboard crewmember is just a friend, don't go sugarcoating Odas lack of follow through

As far as I’m concerned I’ll only consider someone an unofficial member if Oda and/or Greg say so

So Vivi and Yamato for right now

Anyone else Greg?

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

Hey Greg this isn’t directly relevant to one piece but rather shonen jump, is there a catalog of dates for releases of shonen jump that is publicly available say if someone wanted to see if jump published on idk a certain week in 1991, to see what weeks SJ was releasing

[danie]

@Shiebs Uhh, how can you forget or ignore that Kin'emon and Momo were given the same standing as Yamato? You shouldn't need someone to tell you. Just give it an honest read.

[Shiebs]

@danie

Well I agree Kinemon and Momo most likely are too, because of what Luffy said and possibly Tama in the epilogue years later

But If you start giving out the status of unofficial crew members to everyone who people thought had a chance on the crew it will get hard to differentiate who really is, some people will say Pauly or Gaimon, Kyros or Rebecca etc

I’ll just stick with what Oda and Greg say

[Cockycent]

Wouldn't put Paulie or Gaimon in the same category. Whether there was a vocal sentiment from the character or Luffy wanting them, that differs from fans that are building a case or preferring that character joining.

I don't remember Luffy wanting Rebecca, Kyros, or Paulie. Same as anyone of them being vocal about going on a journey or something up that alley. They were mostly about their group and/or home.

Gaimon got an actual invite. That puts him up there with Momo, Yamato, and Kin.

[Shiebs]

See this is why, I definitely do not consider Gaimon on the same level as Vivi, Momo, Yamato and Kinemon

He existed for like three chapters early on in the series

I don’t see the significance of this character that everyone else does, this is exactly why I’m saying to leave it to Oda and Greg, otherwise this happens

I agree with your assessment on all the other characters though

[andre]

@Shiebs One freaking chapter. Pretty amazing that Oda was able to tell a story that still resonates so quickly.

[Shiebs]

@andre

Agreed it was really well done, Oda is the best when it comes to making us feel so much for a quirky character in a tiny amount of time

I still don’t consider him an unofficial crewmember though, Luffy’s asked a lot of people and things to join, there not all unofficial crew members

[Cockycent]

A ton of manga start off with those smaller arcs. I was told Oda put out an official arc map, but never went into looking for it. Might try the wikia or r/.

Off topic, but I hope the live action touches Chouchou. That part of Orange Town felt like a mini arc in itself. I haven't seen a dog casting announcement, so it's most likely not happening.

[Greg]

@Ivotas I do get what you're saying. So...ugh...Kinnemon and Momo can certainly be a part of the crew if they ever want to. I mean, all they gotta do is ask. But Yamato and Vivi are very much a level beyond them.

Yamato and Vivi want to explore with them and have fun. Momo and Kinnemon have fun with them. It's a pretty big difference. Not one that matters much irl mind you, but in the structure of the story as it exists, it's a big deal.

[Ivotas]

@Greg
I get where you are coming from. But in this case I would say that Momo, by being a child should also have the desire to explore and have fun. True he hasn't expressed it this much but the goodbye scene with Luffy should be indicative that this is still a child that deep down also just wants to do things children do, of which exploring the world and have fun should be natural things.

The thing why he cannot do that is pretty much the same thing that kept Vivi from boarding Merry. The responsibility of being a being a leader. In Momo's case it's even more of a burden because unlike Vivi who's still just the princess while Cobra is the acting king Momo has to take over for his deceased father. And then there's also the age difference. Considering those things I don't see him to be that much different from Vivi.

Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.

@wolfwood said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

An offboard crewmember is just a friend, don't go sugarcoating Odas lack of follow through

Pretty much this.

[Shiebs]

@Greg So there's only two unofficial members, cool cool

[King Cannon]

@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.

For Carrot, it sorta depends on how comfortable she is leaving Zou behind now that Inu and Neko won't be around anymore to protect it.

The same way the story is not framing Kaidou as completely in the wrong for Yamato deciding to stay behind, the same could happen regarding Perospero.

One thing I'm sure is that Wano wasn't kind to her. She definitely needs to mature more, because she picked a fight she couldn't win and had to be bailed out.

[Ivotas]

@King-Cannon said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.

For Carrot, it sorta depends on how comfortable she is leaving Zou behind now that Inu and Neko won't be around anymore to protect it.

That's the thing though, if she in fact stays behind then she is pretty much like Vivi and Yamato. Ok, there is the argument to be made that Vivi and Yamato stayed behind of their own will while Carrot is pretty much burdened with a new responsibility that she never has shown any interest in. But even then in the end it would still be her choice to actually accept this burden

Basically, I'm just trying to figure out how this entire "offboard crew" thing is actually thought through. Because if she stays behind and she's not considered to be part of said group, then I'd really have problems to take that concept serious. Because she fits the discription we've been giving so far perfectly.

One thing I'm sure is that Wano wasn't kind to her. She definitely needs to mature more, because she picked a fight she couldn't win and had to be bailed out.

That entire thing was bullshit deluxe writing if you ask me. Perospero himself said that Carrot and Wanda would have gotten him if the full moon wasn't blocked. And then the supposedly stronger fighter Neko also goes down because the moonlight got blocked off. The only difference in the two fights is that Neko got a second chance at using Sulong thanks to Ambition sky split shenanigans while the girls didn't.

Now I'm not saying that this is a sign that Carrot wasn't being way in over her head. Because in the end it would still have required her to fight 2 vs. 1 to defeat Perospero. What I'm saying is that it leaves a sour taste in my mouth is that Neko didn't win because he is the far better fighter than Carrot and Wanda, but because he lucked out on the Sulong timing. If that's all that made the difference then Oda might just aswell have given the win to the girls.

Rather than having Neko and Inu strike their respective opponents down at the same time Oda might just aswell have an Inu/Neko tag team strike down Jack the same moment a Carrot/Wanda tag team strikes down Perospero.

[King Cannon]

That's sorta what I mean about Wano not being kind to Carrot. In the end, she more or less became a Rebecca.

It was rather insulting actually. I legit expected her to at least contribute a little like how Usopp did against Ulti before Nami finished her off.

[Shin10 Bukuro]

@Greg I have a question that's been bugging me, and there's no one better than you to help me with it.

I have always been very curious about the numbering order of the Vivrecard Databook characters, in particular as it pertains to the Strawhat Nakama. It seems to me that Shueisha designing the cards in a numerical order puts themselves in a weird position where they cannot afford to mess up. Imagine if Oda suddenly decided on having multiple new Nakama join...how could Shueisha fit that in amongst cards they've already printed and sold?

My guess has always been that Shueisha, therefore, logically must ask Oda about things like that in advance as a way of protecting their investment. I would imagine they already know about all and any final Nakama well before printing these cards.

So, that begs the question...why would Shueisha not leave spots open for additional Nakama???
Does this mean:
-there are no new Strawhat Nakama who will officially join?
-the Vivrecard Databook will be discontinued?
-Shueisha will simply re-number and re-print corresponding cards?
-#11 and #12 are placeholder cards, capable of being discarded and subbed out in the future?

Just really interested in hearing your take on what's going on in the mind of the people at Shueisha.

(For a few years now, because of this numbering order, I have believed that the only real option for a final Nakama is Vivi, who could just temporarily re-join at the end. It's the best option in regards to the order of the cards, as well as the limited amount of time before the manga ends).

[Ivotas]

@King-Cannon said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

That's sorta what I mean about Wano not being kind to Carrot. In the end, she more or less became a Rebecca.

It was rather insulting actually. I legit expected her to at least contribute a little like how Usopp did against Ulti before Nami finished her off.

Wano wasn't kind to many characters. Nami and Usopp are off far worse IMO. While they technically landed the finishing blow, somebody else (and an Emperor at that) had to do the heavy lifting for them. Considering that they have a far more prominent role than Carrot I find that much more a slap to the face. Doesn't change though that you are right. It really was insulting.

Thinking about it now that you mention it. Having had Carrot there in the fight making it a 3 vs 1 wouldn't have been a bad choice either. I mean we're led to believe that Carrot and Wanda as Sulongs had Perospero at the brink of defeat so having Sulong Carrot team up with Nami and Usopp to take down Ulti would have been way better than Big Mom weakening her. Or better yet, make it Carrot and Nami vs. Ulti and have Usopp friggin' defeat Page One. Yeah I know, weakest member of the crew Yadda-Yadda-Yadda. Doesn't have to be physically strong to defeat an opponent stronger than him with the skillset that he has

[SirCaesar]

@Ivotas Makes you wonder how they "bang"

[Greg]

@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.

heh

Nah but part of me still wonders if Oda is gonna have her be hidden somewhere or catch up to join. This is not because I have a desire for her to join. I just think there was a logical argument for her to join based on Oda's own fancies and the proximity to the end.

[Shiebs]

Oh boy looks like Carrot is joining

[Greg]

@Shin10-Bukuro said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Greg I have a question that's been bugging me, and there's no one better than you to help me with it.

I have always been very curious about the numbering order of the Vivrecard Databook characters, in particular as it pertains to the Strawhat Nakama. It seems to me that Shueisha designing the cards in a numerical order puts themselves in a weird position where they cannot afford to mess up. Imagine if Oda suddenly decided on having multiple new Nakama join...how could Shueisha fit that in amongst cards they've already printed and sold?

My guess has always been that Shueisha, therefore, logically must ask Oda about things like that in advance as a way of protecting their investment. I would imagine they already know about all and any final Nakama well before printing these cards.

So, that begs the question...why would Shueisha not leave spots open for additional Nakama???
Does this mean:
-there are no new Strawhat Nakama who will officially join?
-the Vivrecard Databook will be discontinued?
-Shueisha will simply re-number and re-print corresponding cards?
-#11 and #12 are placeholder cards, capable of being discarded and subbed out in the future?

Just really interested in hearing your take on what's going on in the mind of the people at Shueisha.

(For a few years now, because of this numbering order, I have believed that the only real option for a final Nakama is Vivi, who could just temporarily re-join at the end. It's the best option in regards to the order of the cards, as well as the limited amount of time before the manga ends).

This deserves a longer answer but for now, they can make up any kind of BS rule they want to to get around the numbering. As fans we tend to think there are in-stone rules (and yeah there are some, but not usually to this end) and that stuff like Vivre Cards are infallible but in the end, they can be handled the same way as 'super floaty wood'.

Given what happened at Wano though? Iunno, I get the feeling Oda really just wants to run with THIS onboard crew for the series.

The whole concept of crew though....I mean damn.

Luffy has 'tomodachi'. He's got 'nakama-in-waiting'. And of course 'nakama'.

Given both Vivre and Oda's refusal to add Yamato (or anyone) here, I wonder if any offboard members will be relegated to 'fighting together' in the final arc alongside 'tomodachi' and become 'onboard' post-series.

[Shiebs]

Greg what was your reaction to Wang Zhi being mentioned this chapter, and the apparent struggle between him and Black Beard in the Rocky Port incident

Do you think we’ll see him or silver axe anytime soon?

[Ivotas]

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.

heh

Nah but part of me still wonders if Oda is gonna have her be hidden somewhere or catch up to join. This is not because I have a desire for her to join. I just think there was a logical argument for her to join based on Oda's own fancies and the proximity to the end.

Fair enough. Not gonna dig deeper into that last statement because I would be going too far into the my personal understand of Oda's thought process route rather than making a fair assessment judging hard objective facts.

I'm still not buying the entire onboard/offboard crew thing. I'm not saying that you are not telling the truth. What I'm rather having a tough time with is the value of such a concept. Especially for the Japanese audience.

I'm really gonna try to keep it brief with this without mentioning specific experiences. But ever since I coming to Japan I started seeing One Piece in a different light. To make it short, One Piece here is pretty much something like Doraemon. It has it's core audience BUT it also is so omnipresent as a long running series that many people know of or have heard about it. The latter group is important here.

There's so many ads and shows aimed at a more general audience than the hardcore One Piece fans. And those always focus on the Strawhat crew which are the guys you refer to as onboard crew. The point I'm trying to make here is, that from personal experience I can tell that people who don't follow One Piece can name most of the crew. They do struggle at Jinbei though because his appearance in such group shots is new. In other words, only people who follow One Piece can actually make sense of Jinbei at first sight.

So having an offboard crew would surely have a lot less mass appeal because those characters don't really ring a bell for people who are not following the manga/anime. If you'd for example see Yamato with the crew, somebody would say "oh, I guess this character is part of the crew now". But having her or Vivi be offboard crew members just means nothing.

I'm fully aware that of course we shouldn't cast the actual followers aside when speaking about the series. But as you yourself are even more familiar than myself, One Piece is just so omnipresent here, that there is a crapton of things created just for the sake of appealing to a broader audience. And the Strawhat crew is at the center of this. So I really don't see what the appeal of an offboard crew is to the production team.

[firelord111]

Hello Greg has oda seen the recent memes about a certain scene involving whitebeard ?