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      Sure, but we're only reaching that point now almost 15 years later where the distinction matters because Luffy, in the last few hours, has developed strong enough haki of his own to block the attacks. The first time Kaidou hit him he OHKOed him, his fruit resistances didn't matter at all. And the last 40 chapters of fighting have been about haki forcefields. The fruit didn't start mattering again until just now in full blown awakening mode.

      Otherwise, the very first thing they did upon entering the new world was meet Pekoms and Baron Tomago that just manhandled Caribou and said "Logias are lazy and overrated", and then the very next arc fought Smoker, Ceaser and Monet, and all three got manhandled. Logia defenses were made completely irrelevant.

      It's taken over a decade for Oda to get the story back to a point where BB's fruit might actually be relevant and not just a replacement for a common new world ability… which Ace should have seen plenty of.

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        Sure, but we're only reaching that point now almost 15 years later where the distinction matters because Luffy, in the last few hours, has developed strong enough haki of his own to block the attacks. The first time Kaidou hit him he OHKOed him, his fruit resistances didn't matter at all. And the last 40 chapters of fighting have been about haki forcefields. The fruit didn't start mattering again until just now in full blown awakening mode.

        Otherwise, the very first thing they did upon entering the new world was meet Pekoms and Baron Tomago that just manhandled Caribou and said "Logias are lazy and overrated", and then the very next arc fought Smoker, Ceaser and Monet, and all three got manhandled. Logia defenses were made completely irrelevant.

        It's taken over a decade for Oda to get the story back to a point where BB's fruit might actually be relevant and not just a replacement for a common new world ability… which Ace should have seen plenty of.

        Again, I disagree, because you're assuming that Luffy is not being hurt last chapter because of his own Haki countering Kaido's, which I'm not sure is the right answer. (Of course, I undertand that Haki plays a defensive role too)

        It was always vague and confusing how Haki worked against DF, and there was always a lot of room for different interpretations in regards to the physicality of it. In fact, one of the most frustrating things for me as a reader is that a definitive answer never came after years and years into the New World, which showed how loose was Oda's ideas for Haki as a counter.

        There is only the ambiguous fact that Haki can make any enemy tangible and hurt them, but is this damage abstract (like subtracting from their "HP") or is it physical? Why did the cut which Rayleigh caused to Kizaru regenerate? Why did Akainu's wounds caused by Marco and Vista regenerate too? Is it because the Admirals had superior Haki than their opponents and nullified their Haki? Or is it because their Logia body is still Logia and will reconstruct anyway despite some abstract damage taken?

        Luffy's body is rubber. Haki will hurt him somehow, but does that means Luffy's rubber endurance is negated? Aren't his organs and tissues still more resiliant anyway? Now that Luffy awakened and his rubber was strengthened, doesn't this mean that it's the superior rubber what is minimizing the physical damage of Kaido's attacks?

        I could go on and on with different questions and theories, but I don't want to waste much more of our time. But this questions are relevant… and it shows how Black Beard's powers are still unmatched as the ultimate counter against other devil fruits.

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          My point is it doesn't matter if Blackbeard ultimately has a better version of it… at the time it was introduced it was a completely unique ability. He was the ONLY one that could break through logias or hurt protected users.

          And that was the biggest thing emphasized about his ability at the time.

          But now we've had 15 years of everyone being able to hurt fruit users and its really, really weird that it was a new thing to Ace.

          Yeah, his version is BETTER but you have to break it down and disect it to make the distinction. It becomes semantics.

          "I can hit through your powers!" is neat.
          "I can hit through your powers better!" is... okay, sure, whatever.

          Same way that Luffy adding two different kinds of Haki in this battle alone is... whatever. You don't FEEL that its stronger, its just the next plot thing to elevate them a little, but it doesn't really register. The difference i on paper mostly, rather than being a tangible thing that really registers.

          The crew fights Skypeians and Usopp coems away with dials. They fight CP9 and Luffy can move fast and Sanji can walk in the sky. CHopper or Luffy get a new transformation, you can see and feel the effects. The techniques and abilities picked up on are obvious. But "my invisible forcefield got slightly better than your invisible forcefield" just kind of sucks.

          So Blackbeard' power has gone from beign a unique one of a kind power (that has a side effect of leaving him more vulnerable! And thus interesting!) to just...being a better version of something everyone has. He had to add a second power to get real offense!

          Like, he waited 20 years to get that specific power so he could...?

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            My point is it doesn't matter if Blackbeard ultimately has a better version of it… at the time it was introduced it was a completely unique ability. He was the ONLY one that could break through logias or hurt protected users.

            And that was the biggest thing emphasized about his ability at the time.

            But now we've had 15 years of everyone being able to hurt fruit users and its really, really weird that it was a new thing to Ace.

            Yeah, his version is BETTER but you have to break it down and disect it to make the distinction. It becomes semantics.

            "I can hit through your powers!" is neat.
            "I can hit through your powers better!" is... okay, sure, whatever.

            Same way that Luffy adding two different kinds of Haki in this battle alone is... whatever. You don't FEEL that its stronger, its just the next plot thing to elevate them a little, but it doesn't really register. The difference i on paper mostly, rather than being a tangible thing that really registers.

            The crew fights Skypeians and Usopp coems away with dials. They fight CP9 and Luffy can move fast and Sanji can walk in the sky. CHopper or Luffy get a new transformation, you can see and feel the effects. The techniques and abilities picked up on are obvious. But "my invisible forcefield got slightly better than your invisible forcefield" just kind of sucks.

            So Blackbeard' power has gone from beign a unique one of a kind power (that has a side effect of leaving him more vulnerable! And thus interesting!) to just...being a better version of something everyone has. He had to add a second power to get real offense!

            Like, he waited 20 years to get that specific power so he could...?

            Well the point is Yami Yami nullify abilities. When Luffy grabbed Caesar the first time despite him being in gas state, CC actually kept his gaseous state and still fighting. If Teach would have to grab him, he'd have instantly reverted to human form unable to use his powers.

            We basically had three anti-devil fruit things:

            • Sea/Kairoseki doesn't deprive users of their abilities or else, it just weaken them so hard they could be unable to voluntary use them. Under-sea Arlong Park Luffy can't voluntary stretch, put his throat still had rubber properties; Skypiea Luffy needed all of his own strength to keep stretching his arms to rescue his friends; Onigashima Luffy basically doesn't give a shit about Kairoseki.
            • Haki doesn't work on the target but on you. You "gain" the ability to touch the opponent and eventually damage his physical body under the Logia form.
            • Yami Yami works on the opponent, not you. It's the touched adversary which instantly loses all of his abilities and can't even fight back.

            To put it on a ground, if pre-Yami Teach had to fight Luffy, he could eventually use his own haki to damage him, but Luffy could also punch him in the very same moment. BUT post-Yami Teach who gets to touch Luffy, instantly deprives him of his abilities, putting him in an only-strength fight.

            What actually bugs me instead is how these things are related: Udon mini arc claimed that kairoseki actually works on haki too. And how the f is that even possible is beyond me

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              Well the point is Yami Yami nullify abilities. When Luffy grabbed Caesar the first time despite him being in gas state, CC actually kept his gaseous state and still fighting. If Teach would have to grab him, he'd have instantly reverted to human form unable to use his powers.

              We basically had three anti-devil fruit things:

              • Sea/Kairoseki doesn't deprive users of their abilities or else, it just weaken them so hard they could be unable to voluntary use them. Under-sea Arlong Park Luffy can't voluntary stretch, put his throat still had rubber properties; Skypiea Luffy needed all of his own strength to keep stretching his arms to rescue his friends; Onigashima Luffy basically doesn't give a shit about Kairoseki.
              • Haki doesn't work on the target but on you. You "gain" the ability to touch the opponent and eventually damage his physical body under the Logia form.
              • Yami Yami works on the opponent, not you. It's the touched adversary which instantly loses all of his abilities and can't even fight back.

              To put it on a ground, if pre-Yami Teach had to fight Luffy, he could eventually use his own haki to damage him, but Luffy could also punch him in the very same moment. BUT post-Yami Teach who gets to touch Luffy, instantly deprives him of his abilities, putting him in an only-strength fight.

              What actually bugs me instead is how these things are related: Udon mini arc claimed that kairoseki actually works on haki too. And how the f is that even possible is beyond me

              This debate occurred several times in the past 10 years, and I always found that it can be simplified with the following question: can you cut Buggy with haki? If you think about it, either answer has several problems.

              Oda wanted something that allowed fruit users to take damage from attacks, I would have honestly liked it better if the answer were "you can grab/damage everything with haki, including fire/ice/rubber/lightning", just like Kinemon can cut fire, so realistically he should be able to hurt Ace/Sabo… but nobody can cut Buggy with haki. However, Oda went for "you can hurt their real body" instead which is a slightly weaker Kuroozu and causes all sort of problems.

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                @SirCaesar:

                This debate occurred several times in the past 10 years, and I always found that it can be simplified with the following question: can you cut Buggy with haki? If you think about it, either answer has several problems.

                Oda wanted something that allowed fruit users to take damage from attacks, I would have honestly liked it better if the answer were "you can grab/damage everything with haki, including fire/ice/rubber/lightning", just like Kinemon can cut fire, so realistically he should be able to hurt Ace/Sabo… but nobody can cut Buggy with haki. However, Oda went for "you can hurt their real body" instead which is a slightly weaker Kuroozu and causes all sort of problems.

                Mihawk proved haki can't cut Buggy as he would just split himself as he's still able to. Both Kairoseki and Yami can instead damage him once they just touch him. It's also possible ryou can hit him by distance
                If Buggy would be any serious worth he'd massively train his CoO to split before even Teach's touch.

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                  Mihawk proved haki can't cut Buggy as he would just split himself as he's still able to. Both Kairoseki and Yami can instead damage him once they just touch him. It's also possible ryou can hit him by distance
                  If Buggy would be any serious worth he'd massively train his CoO to split before even Teach's touch.

                  Not quite: who says Mihawk was using haki in that scene? He is known to be quite merciful.

                  Certainly Buggy doesn't have good enough reflexes to split like that before he's cut!

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                    Mihawk proved haki can't cut Buggy as he would just split himself as he's still able to. Both Kairoseki and Yami can instead damage him once they just touch him. It's also possible ryou can hit him by distance
                    If Buggy would be any serious worth he'd massively train his CoO to split before even Teach's touch.

                    That's pretty much rendered useless by CoC emission though, since the Haki would touch the body before the blade.

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                      ….

                      This is the last time I'm saying this, since you keep missing my actual point.

                      It doesn't matter if Blackbeard has a better version.
                      It was way more menacing and cool when first introduced when it was the only version.

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                        When do you guys think Urouge and Bonney will get time to shine? All the other Supernovas have had chances, there the only two so far who haven’t met up with the Straw Hats post time skip….. I think :wassat:

                        And what do you think they’ll do?

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                          @Shiebs:

                          When do you guys think Urouge and Bonney will get time to shine? All the other Supernovas have had chances, there the only two so far who haven’t met up with the Straw Hats post time skip….. I think :wassat:

                          And what do you think they’ll do?

                          They're connected to big lore stuff.

                          Bonney is the queen of a noteworthy country and she's related to Kuma (a former king of the same place), who's involved with the Revolutionary Army, Vegapunk, the Celestial Dragons and all that drill.

                          Urouge is from a sky island. Bear in mind that winged people are usually connected to the ancient lore of the world considering the ruins which Enel found in the moon and what we've learned about Lunarians. Urouge is also a monk. So expect some mythological knowledge from him.

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                            @theackwardstation:

                            They're connected to big lore stuff.

                            Bonney is the queen of a noteworthy country and she's related to Kuma (a former king of the same place), who's involved with the Revolutionary Army, Vegapunk, the Celestial Dragons and all that drill.

                            Urouge is from a sky island. Bear in mind that winged people are usually connected to the ancient lore of the world considering the ruins which Enel found in the moon and what we've learned about Lunarians. Urouge is also a monk. So expect some mythological knowledge from him.

                            We still don’t know how much of a connection all sky island people with Lunarians which confuses me, since we know they all originate from the moon, which should mean there all Lunarians, but we see Kings race is some how different from the other races, with different skin color, hair color, wings and being able to use fire and having insane durability

                            It confuses me, maybe I’m missing something

                            Anyway Bonney really interests me since she’s got some connection to the five elders or at the very least they didn’t want her dead, and she behaves so much different than all the other females Oda has created

                            Also I wonder if she has a fighting style outside of her aging powers, especially for use against haki users

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                              @Shiebs:

                              We still don’t know how much of a connection all sky island people with Lunarians which confuses me, since we know they all originate from the moon, which should mean there all Lunarians, but we see Kings race is some how different from the other races, with different skin color, hair color, wings and being able to use fire and having insane durability

                              Lunarians were from the top of the Red Line, which is above the clouds, so arguably at a similar height of sky islands.

                              But I'm not saying Lunarians are culturally connected to the sky islands, necessarily… but just that winged people in general seem important to me. I just feel that Urouge has some deep knowledge of the past, or at least an interest in it.

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                                Does anyone know what the last race Big Mom doesn’t have is? We’ve got Giants, Lunarians and one more mystery race

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                                  @Shiebs:

                                  When do you guys think Urouge and Bonney will get time to shine? All the other Supernovas have had chances, there the only two so far who haven’t met up with the Straw Hats post time skip….. I think :wassat:

                                  And what do you think they’ll do?

                                  I honestly don't know how Urogue is playing into this. He's the only one I'm not sure about but I guess it will be wheneer Enel or Sky Islands become relevant again.

                                  Bonney on the other hand will definitley play a role in the arc Vegapunk get's introduced given her connection to Kuma and her ability to turn people into children might come in handy for sneaking into Vegapunks Lab (as he is currently working to remove Caesar's gigantification on the Punk Hazard kids).

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                                    Urouge has drama with the Charlottes so when/if that becomes a deal at Elbaf, he's in like Flynn.
                                    Urouge being Urouge has the easiest role of any Supernova. Oda can drop him in from the sky wherever and whenever he wants.

                                    The Supernovas are really just highly dramatized and plot-centric Franky Family/Rebel Army/Cocoyashi Townspeople/Chefs.

                                    Oda can drop 'em in when/where he wants in order to help move his story and make it more interesting.

                                    We know that Bilkans (Birkas w/e), Skypieans, Shandians, and very very very very very likely Lunarians (Unless Lunarians are ironically the face below on the ruin artowrk) all came from the moon and Bilkans seem like they may be (genetically) the closest to them so if Urouge has any knowledge of that it would be interesting but also surprising considering you think he'd be more actively pursued but then again…Nika fruit lololol

                                    BTW...has Urouge's fruit been publicly revealed yet? I don't think so, right? If not don't wanna bring any of that stuff up.

                                    No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                      I thought Apoo was going to figure out to join the alliance because he invaded Totto Land as well, so it was kinda awkward that Perospero and BM were around but they didnt even seen Apoo there.

                                      Also, Urouge is totally Team-Teach, he's chosen the right side.

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                                        Until I rewatched Sabaody recently with my fiance, I had completely forgotten that Urouge even had a Devil Fruit power….

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                                          All Supernova will eventually 'support' Luffy in their own way. Vol51 cover telegraphed that. Though I don't disagree that he could temporarily be on another side. That's pretty much always been a given. Law is the rare case here though Bonney may change that.

                                          No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                            Do you think Bonney will have developed another fighting style to deal with haki users?

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                                              Bonney is the biggest wildcard in the series. While she's obviously aligned to be an 'ally' as telegraphed in her interaction with Zoro (ie. we were shown she exhibits selfless ((albeit ornery)) kindness for strangers). But whether she'll fight or simply is good enough to avoid fighting/control any situation remains to be seen. I do think, however, she's very close to a Nika fruit in that what she knows is so dangerous, the government doesn't want to draw attention to her.

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                                                It ll be better if some join the right side, aka Marshall D Teach.

                                                Urouge has shown interest in Teach and Kidd's not the type who doesnt avenge his limbs, he'll find a common interest with Teach, known as 'there can only be one red-hair in this sea'.

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                                                  Hi Greg, I have a question. Someone in the comments of a theory video I released recently about Kaidoo asked me this question and I'm not entirely sure the answer.

                                                  In chapter 999, Stephen translated Big Mom's line to read: "I gave you that legendary model of the Fish-Fish Fruit!"

                                                  However, in other instances (like 1020, 1044, etc.), Stephen has used the word mythical rather than legendary. In chapter 1020 for example, Kaido says "The Dog-Dog Fruit Mythical Type Okuchi no Makami"

                                                  My question, is there an actual difference in distinction / classification between Legendary and Mythical?

                                                  I asked a friend of mine with the Japanese volumes to send me a picture of those two panels and they look like the same word in Japanese (幻獣種 Zōn-kei Genjūshu). But, I don't know the language, so I'm just not sure.

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                                                    Greg do you think that if Kaido doesn’t show awakening it will be major BS from Odas part after Kaidos in this chapter ?

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                                                      With Bonney, all I want to see is her using her power on Brook. Can she temporarily give him his flesh back ?

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                                                        With Bonney, all I want to see is her using her power on Brook. Can she temporarily give him his flesh back ?

                                                        Why would Oda ruin such a great character as Brook by making him human again? The skeleton is part of his personality.

                                                        Luffy vs Katakuri Full fight: https://www.docdroid.net/qrFOY9p/luffyxkata.pdf

                                                        Luffy vs Cracker Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/Pk06JZL/luffy-vs-cracker.pdf

                                                        Luffy vs Doflamingo Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/VDl3Ctf/luffyxdoffy.pdf

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                                                          @RigaCrypto:

                                                          Why would Oda ruin such a great character as Brook by making him human again? The skeleton is part of his personality.

                                                          If something like this was really possible, it would definitely be something that's effective for a few moments. How would that ruin his character?

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                                                            If something like this was really possible, it would definitely be something that's effective for a few moments. How would that ruin his character?

                                                            For gag purposes, and one occasion it would be ok, but for me a permanent change would kinda make him not that funny anymore. His whole repertoire of jokes are about him being a skeleton.

                                                            Luffy vs Katakuri Full fight: https://www.docdroid.net/qrFOY9p/luffyxkata.pdf

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                                                              For gag purposes, and one occasion it would be ok, but for me a permanent change would kinda make him not that funny anymore. His whole repertoire of jokes are about him being a skeleton.

                                                              I don't think such a scenario would be anything else but a gag thing. I don't even know if Bonney can permanently change the age of anyone.

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                                                                I think some databook said that Urouge's fruit allows him to turn pain into strenght. Maybe I'm headcanoning it.

                                                                Bonney is a Supernova I really want to know more, she seems to be ripe with possibilities…
                                                                As a group, I'm a bit saddened that Hawkins feels a bit downplayed even with ton of screentime (his powers could easily put him in a major antagonistic position) and Drake and Apoo still feel like B-characters - so I'm hoping Oda will expand on them by the end of the arc (I mean Apoo is entertaining as hell, I hope he worms his way out of anything and just appears to be obnoxious until the very end). Killer, Kid, Law, Zoro, Luffy and Bege are good on my book.

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                                                                  I don't even know if Bonney can permanently change the age of anyone.

                                                                  I doubt it, given how little interest the government or Doflamingo had in it.

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                                                                    Surely Urouge’s fruit is the Karma Karma fruit. Fits his Monk theme perfectly. Bad thing happens to him- he’s attacked- then gets balanced by a good thing- it buffs him.

                                                                    The vice versa will be an interesting balance as well.

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                                                                      I doubt it, given how little interest the government or Doflamingo had in it.

                                                                      I'd be surprised if Akainu's interest in her had absolutely nothing to do with her Devil Fruit. In my mind, either they wanted her power, or Bonney is a lot older than we think and she knows things she shouldn't as a result.

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                                                                        I'd be surprised if Akainu's interest in her had absolutely nothing to do with her Devil Fruit. In my mind, either they wanted her power, or Bonney is a lot older than we think and she knows things she shouldn't as a result.

                                                                        Possibly because she is royalty. In her Marijois invasion it was implied she was related to Sorbet Kingdom's royal family

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                                                                          I think some databook said that Urouge's fruit allows him to turn pain into strenght.

                                                                          He was confirmed a user in DEEP BLUE but as for how the fruit works I don't recall whether there's been any specific clarification. I checked the wiki and the only thing it sources is DEEP BLUE which iirc only made clear that he was a User.

                                                                          The wiki goes on to detail the power of the fruit but I can't remember that being publicly mentioned anywhere. Not saying it's right (or wrong) but I'm just wondering if that bit of info was revealed or whether that's conjecture on their part.

                                                                          or Bonney is a lot older than we think and she knows things she shouldn't as a result.

                                                                          That's my take!

                                                                          Re: Brook/Bonney

                                                                          Bonney seems to have the superior version of Ain's fruit. If that's the case, changing Brook would not mean any kind of time travel, it would just make his bones (and roots lol) 'younger'.

                                                                          No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                            He was confirmed a user in DEEP BLUE but as for how the fruit works I don't recall whether there's been any specific clarification. I checked the wiki and the only thing it sources is DEEP BLUE which iirc only made clear that he was a User.

                                                                            The wiki goes on to detail the power of the fruit but I can't remember that being publicly mentioned anywhere. Not saying it's right (or wrong) but I'm just wondering if that bit of info was revealed or whether that's conjecture on their part.

                                                                            It's educated conjecture based on his dialogue and move name (Karma Retribution).

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                                                                              Greg, now that we've seen Luffy's devil fruit awakening, do you think Oda will eventually do the same for Chopper, Robin, and Brook?

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                                                                                Greg, what do you think about the increased focus on Raizo?

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                                                                                  I am just curious:

                                                                                  If I may ask, Greg, do you have an vague idea how much of the Wano arc is left based on what Oda and his editors are potentially up to?

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                                                                                    It's educated conjecture based on his dialogue and move name (Karma Retribution).

                                                                                    Ah, thought so. In that case. No comment 😆

                                                                                    Greg, now that we've seen Luffy's devil fruit awakening, do you think Oda will eventually do the same for Chopper, Robin, and Brook?

                                                                                    I think there's an argument to be made that we've seen the results of both being awakened.

                                                                                    If the Impel Down guards are truly awakened, their resemblance to Chopper's monster form is uncanny so it's possible that Chopper has been performing an awakened doping this entire time.

                                                                                    As for Robin, it's not necessarily an argument I buy but while I can confirm that Robin's giant forms are most definitely composed of smaller body parts, I'm not entirely sure about the smaller copies of herself that she can make. The argument is certainly there for suggesting she creates the illusion of clothing on a smaller scale via varies body parts and pigments, but then the question becomes, why doesn't she for larger forms? Or if she can't do it for larger forms because it's too taxing, then why bother doing it for smaller forms? In that case do clothes magically appear on her because of the magic of clothing and Devil Fruits? Well…then why don't they appear on her larger form?

                                                                                    While all valid questions, they're not really important and I can almost guarantee that there aren't clothes on giant Robin because...Oda doesn't wanna draw 'em. That's what it boils down to.

                                                                                    So, if that's actual clothing on small copy Robin, and it's not just DF magic, then it could mean she's duplicating her clothing which would very much be an Awakening trait.

                                                                                    I think it's all a matter of convenience/preference on Oda's part so I don't feel particularly strong about it one way or the other.

                                                                                    So with that frame of reference, if Robin is not Awakened, I feel very much that a conflict with San Juan Wolf would be the perfect spot for it so yes, I do think he will explore (or expand) it.

                                                                                    Greg, what do you think about the increased focus on Raizo?

                                                                                    Not much, it's par for course for any given arc. Raizo is fulfilling the role of containing an element of 'chaos'. There are always characters who take on these roles. Who it is isn't always necessarily important so long as someone does it.

                                                                                    In this case, I do think Oda had planned out Raizo's use from fairly early on in the stream of events. I think when the fire started he knew it would be a large element of chaos and it needed to be dealt with and he knew that Raizo would be perfect to deal with it so he just needed to keep him in the game until then.

                                                                                    Sometimes, in arcs where chaos resolution hasn't been solved in advance, Oda can pick and chose basically anyone from his grab bag of goodies to fulfill the objective so long as it feels right in the moment. This is why we got Gatz carrying Luffy through the town. Luffy was separated and weak. Oda needed to get him safely from Point A to Point B, at the time, Gatz felt best and most appropriate for the story to fulfill that role and express self-sacrifice so I bet that's why Oda chose him.

                                                                                    Here, it's the same exact thing, except I'm almost certain Oda planned to have Raizo be the resolution in advance.

                                                                                    So, business as usual in One Piece.

                                                                                    If I may ask, Greg, do you have an vague idea how much of the Wano arc is left based on what Oda and his editors are potentially up to?

                                                                                    As far as inside info I don't have any info on how long Wano has left and I definitely don't want it ^O^ Aside from a few other things like the role Elbaf will/won't play and whether or not Pudding/Streussen are as important as I think they are, it's one of the few mysteries left for me.

                                                                                    I think as soon as the Momonosuke starts to show true spine, we'll see the fighting start to wrap. But then we'll have the chaos of a falling island.

                                                                                    UNLESS…Oda wraps both of those up simultaneously. If he does that, I'll be amazed. And I don't mean that I don't think he can. I literally mean, that would be a very difficult way to wrap the story in a satisfying way.

                                                                                    No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                      Greg do you think there’s a chance that the two strangers in the cover story are Black Beard Pirate members? And if so, and there’s only two of them does that mean we can look forward to seeing other Black Beard members raising hell across the world, to really build them up as the next big threat?

                                                                                      Or is there any chance the two are Pedro and Pekoms

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                                                                                        It's educated conjecture based on his dialogue and move name (Karma Retribution).

                                                                                        Ah, thought so. In that case. No comment 😆

                                                                                        Greg, now that we've seen Luffy's devil fruit awakening, do you think Oda will eventually do the same for Chopper, Robin, and Brook?

                                                                                        I think there's an argument to be made that we've seen the results of both being awakened.

                                                                                        If the Impel Down guards are truly awakened, their resemblance to Chopper's monster form is uncanny so it's possible that Chopper has been performing an awakened doping this entire time.

                                                                                        As for Robin, it's not necessarily an argument I buy but while I can confirm that Robin's giant forms are most definitely composed of smaller body parts, I'm not entirely sure about the smaller copies of herself that she can make. The argument is certainly there for suggesting she creates the illusion of clothing on a smaller scale via varies body parts and pigments, but then the question becomes, why doesn't she for larger forms? Or if she can't do it for larger forms because it's too taxing, then why bother doing it for smaller forms? In that case do clothes magically appear on her because of the magic of clothing and Devil Fruits? Well…then why don't they appear on her larger form?

                                                                                        While all valid questions, they're not really important and I can almost guarantee that there aren't clothes on giant Robin because...Oda doesn't wanna draw 'em. That's what it boils down to.

                                                                                        So, if that's actual clothing on small copy Robin, and it's not just DF magic, then it could mean she's duplicating her clothing which would very much be an Awakening trait.

                                                                                        I think it's all a matter of convenience/preference on Oda's part so I don't feel particularly strong about it one way or the other.

                                                                                        So with that frame of reference, if Robin is not Awakened, I feel very much that a conflict with San Juan Wolf would be the perfect spot for it so yes, I do think he will explore (or expand) it.

                                                                                        Greg, what do you think about the increased focus on Raizo?

                                                                                        Not much, it's par for course for any given arc. Raizo is fulfilling the role of containing an element of 'chaos'. There are always characters who take on these roles. Who it is isn't always necessarily important so long as someone does it.

                                                                                        In this case, I do think Oda had planned out Raizo's use from fairly early on in the stream of events. I think when the fire started he knew it would be a large element of chaos and it needed to be dealt with and he knew that Raizo would be perfect to deal with it so he just needed to keep him in the game until then.

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                                                                                        Here, it's the same exact thing, except I'm almost certain Oda planned to have Raizo be the resolution in advance.

                                                                                        So, business as usual in One Piece.

                                                                                        If I may ask, Greg, do you have an vague idea how much of the Wano arc is left based on what Oda and his editors are potentially up to?

                                                                                        As far as inside info I don't have any info on how long Wano has left and I definitely don't want it ^O^ Aside from a few other things like the role Elbaf will/won't play and whether or not Pudding/Streussen are as important as I think they are, it's one of the few mysteries left for me.

                                                                                        I think as soon as the Momonosuke starts to show true spine, we'll see the fighting start to wrap. But then we'll have the chaos of a falling island.

                                                                                        UNLESS…Oda wraps both of those up simultaneously. If he does that, I'll be amazed. And I don't mean that I don't think he can. I literally mean, that would be a very difficult way to wrap the story in a satisfying way.

                                                                                        No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                          This is probably a tinfoil head theory, but what if the island falls but Momo gets his moment regardless?

                                                                                          People gonna witness a Kozuki saving them and by him holding up Onigashima, he gives them enough time to escape.

                                                                                          I wonder if Oda made a giant hole below Onigashima intentionally so that the giant tree with the castle (that contains the Poneglyph and the weird dolls) can slip through with no damage.

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                                                                                            I think Momo's desperate attempt will be noticed by Wano people , but he will fail. Luffy will turn it to rubber and lessen the impact mostly. May be we will see it sitting atop the castle.😆

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                                                                                              I’m probably beating a dead horse with this but I am very curious as to what Oda is planning with Weevil and if he actually still remembers him.

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                                                                                                I’m probably beating a dead horse with this but I am very curious as to what Oda is planning with Weevil and if he actually still remembers him.

                                                                                                I bet he is a failed clone of Whitebeard.

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                                                                                                  I hope he's legit just the result of a horrible one night stand with Bakkin. It'd be too amusing.

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                                                                                                    Thank you Greg. Btw any words about Yamato being a Sake Brewer and the crew needing to steal booze to celebrate Jinbe coming back.

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                                                                                                      @GuetaMinute:

                                                                                                      I’m probably beating a dead horse with this but I am very curious as to what Oda is planning with Weevil and if he actually still remembers him.

                                                                                                      He is playing cards with Denjiro until the plot needs them again.

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                                                                                                        With Bonney, all I want to see is her using her power on Brook. Can she temporarily give him his flesh back ?

                                                                                                        We've had this gag in Film Z, likely no

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