Ah, yeah, my D = hat =rising sun theory.
I still like it, but since they published it as I wrote it, I wonder… lol
Then again...I wrote Nika Nika Fruit and they ran that so... haha
Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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Was the hat=sunrise you? I don't remember that! First place I remember seeing it was out in the wild.
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Sounds like an everyone thought of it type of theory.
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Yeah that was me. I put it in a column and then it was everywhere. However, I don't know if I elaborated it in the column or put it so straightforward. I think that probably would've been around the time as spirits. However, I'm fairly sure I went into extreme detail on the podcast when I did bring it up.
Same with world party ^o^
Nobody likes to give credit because they're terrified of me getting credit so it becomes like Monquito described where these things are just assumed to be part of the fandom.
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I've read like 20 different people this week saying
-let me share this theory of main, - and then proceed to add -What if Shanks snitched Luffy to the Gorosei.
This is pretty much what I mean, 'strawhat sun' sounds like that type of stuff you cant even track down to who said it first, because ton of people thought of it by themselves.
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But very often you can track down one person saying itpublicly years before other people do. Greg in this case. They may not have heard it from Greg and got it second-hand instead, but there's a looooot of cases when you can see "original theories" that aren't original.
And sure, everyone reading the same story, getting the same clues, people DO get the same ideas sometimes. That happens. But sometimes the "spontaneous co-creation" is years apart.
He does write for a column after all.
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For the moment it seems to me that the Sun aspect of this god are rather metophorical. He delivers slaves and bring joy. He represents a new dawn and creates revolution.
And accessorily he has rubber power.
Some says that the flame aspect of Luffy like the red hawk are due to sun related power. Nika also seems to have flame hairs but Oda has yet to tell us what exactly this sun god consist in.
I don't know, yes all this sun thematic was present. Blue san made a similar post to yours. But did Luffy had to become a sun (which so far is not really a sun) litterally ?As you said how Oda will explain how devil fruits are created will probably explain a lot of things. There is also that new aspect of "zoans have a will of their own"
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There is also that new aspect of "zoans have a will of their own"
Yes and no. We've known that zoan fruits can be put into inanimate objects since Alabasta. WHich gives us a canon that walks, barks, and acts like a dog. Or a sword that turns into an elephant. It just straight up acts like an animal for no apparent reason. But definitely acting on their own aside from what the object would naturally do. This very arc on Wano we got a random teapot crossed with a teapot, almost as if just to remind us that can be a thing.
But we only ever see zoans combined with objects. never something that would actually be useful like fusing an element logia into a gun.
I'm pretty sure Vegapnk was crdited with the fusions. Of course, he's now mimicking Kizaru's lasers on the Pacifistas so who knows?
We also know that supposedly a person can't eat two fruits because "the devils inside will fight each other." Not taken as literal fact but the general ideas have been around for ages.
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For the moment it seems to me that the Sun aspect of this god are rather metophorical.
I think this is what we'll end up seeing.
Ancient People: "Hey! Look at this person!"
person controls fire without getting burned
Ancient People: "They must be a god!"
I'm not saying Luffy or Nika WERE Lunarian. I do think they probably at least have Lunarian lineage factors, but the wing thing is another issue and one would expect Nika to express wing phenotype so I dunno what's going on there, but the whole, "Hey, there's an ancient race that could control elements." Seems a bit close to powers we've seen to be coincidence.
On the other hand! Could be a complete coincidence and maybe that Ace spirit thing is still a factor. In some ways, no more than ever, I feel like my concept of D for 'double' might be close.
Because Luffy, like BB, now has 'double' fruit powers. Still way too early to set my foot down though.
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Yes and no. We've known that zoan fruits can be put into inanimate objects since Alabasta. WHich gives us a canon that walks, barks, and acts like a dog. Or a sword that turns into an elephant. It just straight up acts like an animal for no apparent reason. But definitely acting on their own aside from what the object would naturally do. This very arc on Wano we got a random teapot crossed with a teapot, almost as if just to remind us that can be a thing.
But we only ever see zoans combined with objects. never something that would actually be useful like fusing an element logia into a gun.
I know that, but devil fruit objects have been artificially created by Vegapunk. I imagine he can somehow inject the lineage factor into the object. Also it makes sense that for the object having a conscience, they need the animal part of the zoan.
The fact that the fruit has their own will is new
Funnily, when Usopp met Lasso, he made a comment that devil fruits do not t have a will of their own
@Greg:I think this is what we'll end up seeing.
Ancient People: "Hey! Look at this person!"
person controls fire without getting burned
Ancient People: "They must be a god!"
I'm not saying Luffy or Nika WERE Lunarian. I do think they probably at least have Lunarian lineage factors, but the wing thing is another issue and one would expect Nika to express wing phenotype so I dunno what's going on there, but the whole, "Hey, there's an ancient race that could control elements." Seems a bit close to powers we've seen to be coincidence.
On the other hand! Could be a complete coincidence and maybe that Ace spirit thing is still a factor. In some ways, no more than ever, I feel like my concept of D for 'double' might be close.
Because Luffy, like BB, now has 'double' fruit powers. Still way too early to set my foot down though.
Yes, currently it is a bit confusing on what made Nika a mythical god. Was it his fruit who made him a god which then made the fruit a mythical Zoan ?
When I said to Robby that Luffy's awaken form was missing the Lunarians traits from King, he told me that Luffy had wings on a cover.
Maybe this is what bother me in this revelation. You said that this is not a retcon so I will believe you since you have more knowledge than me. But then can you tell Oda I'm not reading the Torah trying to find meaning under every panels background
That Luffy has wings on a cover or a sunflower pattern on his clothes, honestly I really don't care. The truth is that Who's Who is the first to have named Nika, a god which nobody knows anymore beside a handful of prisoners and the Five Elders. It is that the hint from those five elders about the true name of the fruit are even more recent. I'm not asking for a Laboon all the time but when it is something so important and if it was prepared long ago, then the job was not done very well. -
Well, you have to take into consideration that for this reveal to be a total surprise, Oda had to "invent" Nika so people reading the manga would not catch up on early about Luffy's true nature. If it would've been a well known deity, there would've been a lot of speculation much earlier about Luffy having Mythical Zoan.
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But then can you tell Oda I'm not reading the Torah trying to find meaning under every panels background
That Luffy has wings on a cover or a sunflower pattern on his clothes, honestly I really don't care.It's not that you're expected to catch these details and have an epiphany of what they mean. They're SUPPOSED to be subtle and missed by everyone.
But they're there subconsciously, and when its all said and done and you go back and reread the series with endgame knowledge you might catch those details then.
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Some have suggested this is a retcon.
Some have complained that this wasn't foreshadowed.Re: Retcon:
It's not a retcon. This was long planned. Depending on the reading experience it may feel like a retcon, but this was not cooked up overnight.
"Oda said he doesn't know how Luffy will beat Kaido."
Oda says a lot of things. I'll leave it at that. I can simply confirm that this wasn't hatched overnight. Not liking/enjoying it are all valid. But it's not a retcon.
Re: Foreshadowing:
This isn't a stance to defend writing, Oda doesn't need anyone to do that for him and I'm not particularly interested in defending OP when it doesn't deserve it. This is simply pointing out blatant themes that were clearly and intentionally put into the series so that this kind of revelation could be considered plausible. If one doesn't like it due to taste, that's valid. But I'm sure you're going to see a slew of 'One Piece jumped the shark!' style of gotcha paper-thin opinion pieces based on emotion, not information.
Was the name 'Nika' thrown around for very long? No.
Does not adding a name to an element the author has broadcasted the importance of since the title of Chapter 1 mean an author did a poor job 'foreshadowing'? I'd say no, but maybe just having a 'name' for something that's been in front of them for 20+ years means something and I can accept that.
While we only recently put a name to the concept, the idea of the sun being a source of great importance has been around as long as the series. Technically even before it started.
・First and foremost, we have Oda coming from the 'Land of the Rising Sun' and he's a generation older than even myself. His association of our own Sun with his cultural identity is strong so seeing the Sun playing a role in this series isn't particularly unique. If you want to compare it to its 'on-time' peers, you'll note that even Naruto and Bleach gave sun powers to important characters. Simply put, if Oda has a chance to expand on the importance of the sun, unless he's positioned himself to create an aesthetically different shonen series that avoids references to actual Japan, you can bet that if presented an opportunity to touch on Japanese culture, the tenets of their cultural identity is going to peak through. All of this is really just to say, given his age, his views, his peers, when he began writing, and the story he's telling, there was a high probability of the Sun being 'powerful' at least and 'important' at most.
・Then there's the title of Chapter 1 and Volume 1: Romance Dawn.
A name so important to the series, it was the name he used for the series when it was proto-One Piece. From the get-go, the series is telegraphing the importance of a new dawn. If you boil One Piece down into MAJOR encompassing themes, that does the job so well it's almost unfair how good they sound sound together. The 'Romance' encourages everything 'shonen' about the series (friendship, effort, victory) along with adventure while 'dawn' tells us that it's a story of a new age. In retrospect, we've come to learn that this concept of a 'dawn' is not only signalling the new age to the readers, but it's also something important to 'in-the-know' characters in the world as well.
・An extension of the previous point, the 'do-n' sound effect Oda is such a fan of, is literally the same way to write the English pronunciation of 'dawn'.
・ https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20160504_0557.html?l=en The tldr is that not only the sun proper, but a strikingly similar depiction of it has been incorporated in the flag of Alabasta (a country which rejected membership in the WG that Imu is obviously pining over) as well as being included in the Kouzuki clan mark. Touching on anything from Wano is still skipping ahead but the important thing is it's there.
・The Thousand Sunny. Judging from all this use of 'sun' imagery, on a personal level outside this story, the sun represents something special to Oda which shouldn't be surprising. It's a source of pride in identity. Another symbol that's important to Oda? The lion. The lion represents a type of regality to him that while I can't go into specifics, is something that he enjoys to express in real life. I believe it's also why we haven't seen a lion in the series yet, because of the importance he assigns to it as a symbol of regal power. The figurehead of Sunny combines both of these elements into one as a lion that also looks like a shining sun. I can all but guarantee that this choice was made knowing what Luffy would Awaken.
・The concept of the 'sun' is a foreign one to the fish and merpeople living below the sea. That's why the 'Sun' in the Sun Pirates is written in Katakana, rather than kanji, because it's an abstract concept. Is it a coincidence that Joy Boy wrote an apology to them after they remain living underneath the waves of the sea but clearly have a desire to bask in the glow of a real sun? The revelation of Joy Boy's existence & failure and the existence of the Sun Pirates alongside Orihime's goal to bring the fish/merpeople to the surface was our first hint that these unrelated concepts would be related.
・https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20180829_0931.html?l=en tldr: now we have Luffy being directly linked to the sun in coyly presented forms. Sunflowers (also very important symbols in Japan), a lion design that oop also looks like a sun, then literal marks of the sun identical to ones on the Alabasta flag and Kozuki clan mark? Not only that, but even in 'throwaway' color spreads from years gone by?!
・Pedro brings up talk of the 'dawn' and we finally learn that characters are aware of the so-called 'dawn' in-universe and are anticipating it.
・The former daimyo clans of Wano (except the Kurozumi) all bear 'moon' in the name and yet the Kouzuki clan mark clearly displays the mark of the sun in their mark. This suggests a strong link between both the Sun and the Moon. Further along, King mentions the importance of Joy Boy to the Lunarians suggesting that Nika is very important to the Lunarians as well.
・Hyogoro called Luffy the 明王 myouou which people have been throwing around as 'wisdom king' thanks to armchair wikipedia scholars, but not many mentioned that the name proper actually directly translates from kanji as 'Lord of Light'.
I'm sure that those re-reading the series now will come across more and more of these observations. These are just a few that I remember off-hand. For instance, will we learn that Mamudein or other characters/events mentioned by Robin were actually related to Nika? Since Nika proper seems to be an original amalgamation of real-world ideas/themes, it stands to reason that cultures from around the OP world would have different ways of interpreting this figure.
And there's very little doubt in my mind that this 'mythical' figure is actually as 'mythical' as it seems.
We know very little and the design is lacking some important features that help it tie together nicely, but one of my ideas is that DF's were made from natural phenomena or people/animals that were the result of Lunarian experimentation. If Nika was a Lunarian (which I don't know about given current lack of wings) who consumed a GGF and then Nika himself was turned into a DF, that could explain how a Paramecia could be merged with a Zoan. That's just spitballing but it's based on the concept that GGF's Paramecia roots have not been rejected but it is also carries Zoan traits, so how do we fit that puzzle together? Lineage factor may be the key there.
Either way, it makes a lot of sense why Oda has been holding off Vegapunk.
I hope that helps express why readers should've been prepped for heavy-duty mythology related to the Sun. I first mentioned the importance of the moon somewhere around 2008-2010 and over the years people seemed to bite into that and get tunnel vision, but the importance of the sun has been here the whole time if you were looking for it!
One issue I am grappling with is… One of the core theme of this series is freedom. Luffy says himself, that being pirate kings means to him is the ability to do whatever he wants.
Therefore, the juxtaposition of Luffy and his entire fruit being kinda predestined leaves a bad taste in the mouth.Luffy ate the fruit when he was 6/7. So more than half his life. We don't know much of Luffy before that time. Given it is more or less confirmed that DFs have a will of their own, it beggars the question that, how much of Luffy is actually himself, and how much of him is subconscious DF manipulation?
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・The Thousand Sunny. Judging from all this use of 'sun' imagery, on a personal level outside this story, the sun represents something special to Oda which shouldn't be surprising. It's a source of pride in identity. Another symbol that's important to Oda? The lion. The lion represents a type of regality to him that while I can't go into specifics, is something that he enjoys to express in real life. I believe it's also why we haven't seen a lion in the series yet, because of the importance he assigns to it as a symbol of regal power. The figurehead of Sunny combines both of these elements into one as a lion that also looks like a shining sun. I can all but guarantee that this choice was made knowing what Luffy would Awaken.
16 chars of poor Ritchie
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Of course the DF had an influence on Luffy, but only according to his true nature and spirit. That is why "it choose him". From what I can tell, comparing Luffy's childhood to a normal kid, his conviction of becoming PK is kinda unnatural but also his most upfront aspect of his character. That is where the DF maybe influenced Luffy as it was the way for it to awaken at some point and continue JoyBoy's agenda.
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16 chars of poor Ritchie
Wasn't there also a Lion Sea Monster in Fishmen Island?
Luffy vs Katakuri Full fight: https://www.docdroid.net/qrFOY9p/luffyxkata.pdf
Luffy vs Cracker Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/Pk06JZL/luffy-vs-cracker.pdf
Luffy vs Doflamingo Full fight : https://www.docdroid.net/VDl3Ctf/luffyxdoffy.pdf
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But very often you can track down one person saying itpublicly years before other people do. Greg in this case. They may not have heard it from Greg and got it second-hand instead, but there's a looooot of cases when you can see "original theories" that aren't original.
And sure, everyone reading the same story, getting the same clues, people DO get the same ideas sometimes. That happens. But sometimes the "spontaneous co-creation" is years apart.
He does write for a column after all.
You're a 4-star, do you REALLY need to reinforce this weird "CALLED IT" theory clout thing that plagues this forum?
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Nothing going to convinced me at this point, but I will always enjoy the story nonetheless.
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It's not that you're expected to catch these details and have an epiphany of what they mean. They're SUPPOSED to be subtle and missed by everyone.
But they're there subconsciously, and when its all said and done and you go back and reread the series with endgame knowledge you might catch those details then.
Yes they are nice catches but they do not matter when the author does something as major as resetting the power of the main character which has been there since chapter 1, which Oda himself said in a SBS was made weak on purpose.
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You're a 4-star, do you REALLY need to reinforce this weird "CALLED IT" theory clout thing that plagues this forum?
I'm just giving credit where it's due.
What's my being a mod have to do with anything?
Yes they are nice catches but they do not matter when the author does something as major as resetting the power of the main character which has been there since chapter 1, which Oda himself said in a SBS was made weak on purpose.
Apparently the team said themselves it is a massive change. They should have brought it more nicely and balance the effect of surprise and the credibility of the change more accuratelyMaybe… give the story some time to follow up on and explain the massive change before writing it off?
We're due to get a Kaidou flashback any time now. We're basically promised Joyboy's when we get to Laugh Tale. Vegapunk has got to be hiding around the corner. That's at least three info dump follow ups we know of to flesh this out more to add "credibility."
A surprise isn't a surprise if you're told in advance "A huge surprise is coming!" as is Oda did a lot of setup to guide us to it and get us prepared for... something... even if we didn't know what.
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Yeah no i'm with Kdom, vague symbolism isn't doing much for me.
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Oh btw, in a scale from Very Likely to Totally happening, what are the chances that Pedro will show up in this CoverStory?
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As much as Oda likes to shock the audience, this might've been one scenario where it might have benefited him to be a little less subtle.
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A surprise isn't a surprise if you're told in advance "A huge surprise is coming!" as is Oda did a lot of setup to guide us to it and get us prepared for… something... even if we didn't know what.
Exactly, if there were even small hints that Luffy's Devil Fruit was something else, the whole forum would've been full of speculations and even possible on spot predictions by now. A full 180-turnaround reveal isn't necessary bad writing if it doesn't contradict anything that has happend before.
And One Piece is full of symbolism and Oda has foreshadowed the sun motiv long ago, as Greg said, but managed masterfully to hide how impactful it is in the OP universe.
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Yes they are nice catches but they do not matter when the author does something as major as resetting the power of the main character which has been there since chapter 1, which Oda himself said in a SBS was made weak on purpose.
Apparently the team said themselves it is a massive change. They should have brought it more nicely and balance the effect of surprise and the credibility of the change more accuratelyIs it really a resetting of powers though? Outside of the name change, it's still the GGF and Luffy hasn't done anything with it that we weren't expecting him to be able to do with an awakening of that fruit.
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Wasn't there also a Lion Sea Monster in Fishmen Island?
there's a character with a lion for a crotch so there's that for regal power and symbolism
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Seems like Kaido barely knows things on a very superficial level.
I find it likely that Kaido knew something about a Zoan, and said Zoan being related to a Guardian Deity of Wano, AND said Zoan turning people into JoyBoy.
That would explain how he knew someone would become JoyBoy, why he was collecting Zoan df users, and why he tried to force it on Yamato.
Kaidou is probably just rolling with Yamato having eaten it.
Yeah thats what I meant, he's forcing it on Yamato cause she ate it, but he was going to force it on whoever he intended to eat it.
This explanation would give soo much sense to Hyogoro calling G4 a Guardian Deity.
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He didn't try to force it on Yamato, Yamato ate it by accident. That said, Kaidou is probably just rolling with Yamato having eaten it.
I definitely think Kaidou knew Nika was a in a Zoan fruit and that's why he was collecting them and even trying to make fake ones. Because he didn't know which fruit it was. The question now is, how did he know? Rocks, King or someone else?
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He didn't try to force it on Yamato, Yamato ate it by accident. That said, Kaidou is probably just rolling with Yamato having eaten it.
I definitely think Kaidou knew Nika was a in a Zoan fruit and that's why he was collecting them and even trying to make fake ones. Because he didn't know which fruit it was. The question now is, how did he know? Rocks, King or someone else?
Roger and Kaidou had a whatsapp group
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there's a character with a lion for a crotch so there's that for regal power and symbolism
And there's the fugly lion too:
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And shiki the golden lion. The sea lion. Holdem? The first created (by Oda) smile user, because he wanted a character with a lion in their chest, and absalom/the zombie lion that got his face.
Lion(el) Richie
I guess they meant the lion devil fruit user, but there have been plenty lions in the manga
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Maybe a mythical zoan model Nemean Lion.
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Yes they are nice catches but they do not matter when the author does something as major as resetting the power of the main character which has been there since chapter 1, which Oda himself said in a SBS was made weak on purpose.
Maybe he said that earlier in the series, but the only reference I know is from volume 65 SBS where he says: "Ahaha, that is true. It must seem like a mystery when you consider all the other strong and cool abilities. The answer is simple. I have picked the most ridiculous ability. If the protagonist were the typical strong guy, I doubt I could continue on with this for long. No matter how serious the story gets, Luffy is there to stretch and inflate. He always give me a chance to fool around. That's the kind of manga I wanted to write."
In that vein, i don't think the fruit's overall tone has changed.
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One issue I am grappling with is… One of the core theme of this series is freedom. Luffy says himself, that being pirate kings means to him is the ability to do whatever he wants.
Therefore, the juxtaposition of Luffy and his entire fruit being kinda predestined leaves a bad taste in the mouth.Luffy ate the fruit when he was 6/7. So more than half his life. We don't know much of Luffy before that time. Given it is more or less confirmed that DFs have a will of their own, it beggars the question that, how much of Luffy is actually himself, and how much of him is subconscious DF manipulation?
Luffy was, again, just 7. So, the DF should have an oversized influence on him!I think Oda's answer might be: "Inherited Will, The Destiny of the Age, and The Dreams of the People. As long as people continue to pursue the meaning of Freedom, these things will never cease to be!"
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Yeah, that's a misconception. It was never about Luffy having a useless power, it was about him having a ridiculous and goofy power. And he still has, more than ever in fact. It's completely in line with what Oda wanted to do with the gomu gomu no mi.
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Get ready to see ryukugyu wield the actual gomu gomu no mi and actually besting Luffy.
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Get ready to see ryukugyu wield the actual gomu gomu no mi and actually besting Luffy.
That is nonsense and green bull should have a powerful fruit like Issho. My guess is radiation.
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That is nonsense and green bull should have a powerful fruit like Issho. My guess is radiation.
of course, it wasn't a seriois theory. Would be funny to see someone acrually having the fruit and using it completely different though
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Light, Gravity and Radiation would form a "Fundamental Forces of Nature" trio. (Besides Electromagnetism)
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I think this is what we'll end up seeing.
Ancient People: "Hey! Look at this person!"
person controls fire without getting burned
Ancient People: "They must be a god!"
I'm not saying Luffy or Nika WERE Lunarian. I do think they probably at least have Lunarian lineage factors, but the wing thing is another issue and one would expect Nika to express wing phenotype so I dunno what's going on there, but the whole, "Hey, there's an ancient race that could control elements." Seems a bit close to powers we've seen to be coincidence.
On the other hand! Could be a complete coincidence and maybe that Ace spirit thing is still a factor. In some ways, no more than ever, I feel like my concept of D for 'double' might be close.
Because Luffy, like BB, now has 'double' fruit powers. Still way too early to set my foot down though.
Hey mate can you tell your opinion about Kaido do you think he will have awakening.I am a huge kaido stan but someone in another forum told me that you told he has shown his maximum.
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Pekoms is a lion, too.
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I think this is what we'll end up seeing.
Ancient People: "Hey! Look at this person!"
person controls fire without getting burned
Ancient People: "They must be a god!"
I'm not saying Luffy or Nika WERE Lunarian. I do think they probably at least have Lunarian lineage factors, but the wing thing is another issue and one would expect Nika to express wing phenotype so I dunno what's going on there, but the whole, "Hey, there's an ancient race that could control elements." Seems a bit close to powers we've seen to be coincidence.
On the other hand! Could be a complete coincidence and maybe that Ace spirit thing is still a factor. In some ways, no more than ever, I feel like my concept of D for 'double' might be close.
Because Luffy, like BB, now has 'double' fruit powers. Still way too early to set my foot down though.
Greg, what do you think about the other Mythical Zoans, like say Devon's or Yamato's? Could all these animals have existed in the OP World?
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I meant lion fruit-user. Chuckles at anyone who thought I forgot lion appearances.
As for Holdem, I was kind of iffy on that for a while. I was surprised he'd waste THE lion fruit on a gag. But then came the explanation of SMILE where we learned they're not based on actual DFs and can be manufactured from any aniimal genes.
That is to say, Holdem is far from Oda's ideal design of what 'model: Lion' would look like.
Sorry for the confusion but that should make it clear.
Ryokugyu is in all likelihood plant-based. Just makes sense with the color andnot eating thing. Plus you'd think Toei would jump on that power for a movie. Seems like he put a usage stop on plant powers for tha reason. That's not my theory or anything but the moment I read it, it made perfect sense. That's the risk Oda runs when he leaves these mysteries out there too long.
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Ah, yeah, my D = hat =rising sun theory.
I still like it, but since they published it as I wrote it, I wonder… lolThen again...I wrote Nika Nika Fruit and they ran that so... haha
I feel oda has had this idea about the sun for a long time, at least since skypiea, but I'm not sure nika was fleshed out so soon, oda could have built the skeleton and then did a lot of the adding of muscles and tendons later on like even post timeskip, but there was definitely room for something. Similiar to germa, idk if sanji being a vinsmoke was the plan since baratie, or even skypiea but oda made prince allusions and left room in case he wanted to go there, and go there he did
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I meant lion fruit-user. Chuckles at anyone who thought I forgot lion appearances.
Narrator: Greg had forgotten all lion appearances.
Sorry but I totally read that post with Gob's voice.
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Hey mate can you tell your opinion about Kaido do you think he will have awakening.I am a huge kaido stan but someone in another forum told me that you told he has shown his maximum.
:shocked: Someone who elsewhere 'heard' I said something and came to me for confirmation rather than immediately hating me for life?!
There's a first for everything I guess. Major props.
I think I know what post they picked from but as usual looks like it wasn't put in context. It's whether or not Kaido can do Awakening. I'm not sure how Oda tends to handle Awakening with Kaido or if he's going to. It seems to be the antithesis of his nature to avoid Awakening but then why did he continue to do so even when Kaido and Luffy tried to connect for their 'final' blow? If Kaido was pulling his punches, the only explanation that seems to make in-universe sense is that he didn't want to fight a real unawakened challenge with awakening. That would add a layer of pride to him.
Other than that, there are some flimsy go-to tropes like, he can't control it so he'd lose the island or potentially kill Yamato (which he'd obviously rather not do if possible), or once he does it, like Chopper, he would be susceptible afterwards for a period of time.
So this whole time, my question has been, if he can use Awakening, what is the best reason for him not using it?
(For Luffy's Gear 5 we just got our answer. He had the ideas, he just didn't have this kind of level of freedom with his ability.)
By shonen law (and any story of conflict for that matter) talk of Awakening aside, it's clear that Kaido has not yet shown us his greatest, grandest, and most threatening single attack (at its most powerful) yet. That must be reserved for his final attack unless we get a Wapol wrap-up where the lack of said attack is a joke and I can't imagine why Oda would do that here in a million years. Even if things end well between them (only to turn to tragedy) Kaido must have a climatic collision with at least Luffy and Momonosuke. That's just how the story has to go. And if that attack is anything less than the best we've seen of Kaido thus far, it doesn't work. The entire arc doesn't work.
No, Kaido hasn't shown his 'maximum'. But to help make everything that came before it make sense, I'm curious as to what form the so-called 'maximum' will take if not Awakening.
I honestly think Awakening feels like the best and most satisfying explanation, but Oda will have a helluva time explaining why he hasn't employed it yet. Though using all drunk forms at once would also make for an interesting form.
However….......
If Awakening does disable him, this would help make my idea that BB swoops in and mercs him even stronger. Just like Teach to wait for such a chance.
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Yes they are nice catches but they do not matter when the author does something as major as resetting the power of the main character which has been there since chapter 1, which Oda himself said in a SBS was made weak on purpose.
Apparently the team said themselves it is a massive change. They should have brought it more nicely and balance the effect of surprise and the credibility of the change more accuratelyOda didn't say he wanted to make Luffy's power weak, but that he gave him a power that would make him look goofy etc iirc
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Around the midpoint of the series, Luffy's DF started to look weak in comparison to the abilities of other top tiers, which then became a predominant sentiment in the OP community. And if we have the opinion that a rubber body is not a strong power, then this is still true right now – only the reputation of the fruit changed in the last chapter, not the substance.
However, Oda never presented Luffy's powers as weak or a disadvantaged. On the contrary, when Luffy ate the GGF in chapter 1, it was a great treasure of the sea. And then Luffy proceeded to go through the East Blue smacking down a bunch of villains who had no superpower (except Buggy). People would hit Luffy as hard as they could and Luffy would smile back at them saying that he was rubber, so their attacks were meaningless. These rubber powers just put Luffy above everybody else -- and that's the angle from which Oda made us look at the power at the start of the series. Later, in the Grand Line, some enemies started to belittle rubber, but Luffy would scream back at them for it. Metaphorically, rubber was what made Luffy bounce back, what made him the natural enemy of a God, and the ability was a machine for brawling and physical superiority as long as Luffy put in the work.
What made the GGF compelling was not its supposed inferiority, but its whackyness and creative appeal for choreography. In the words of Oda, it is a ridiculous power. And this is essentially true for the Hito Hito no Mi, Mythical Type, Model Nika – it's the same fruit. Even the Awakening is the same thing, but more whacky and ridiculous.
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You sound so much like Greg! :happy:“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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You sound so much like Greg! :happy:Hahahaha thank you! It's just great admiration for the series
