Probably the best plot twist ever; the fact the one who was believed to be the savior of the world is actually the most ruthless, despicable and cruel beast of all existence. Ichiryuu was right, there were two Acacias: the man who they believed was their real master, and the real Acacia.
But damnit… godfuckingdamnit...!!! Curse you, NEO!!! Curse you, Acacia!!!
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I feel like Neo is being set up as literally invincible in terms of combat ability, and that Komatsu will be the one to eventually defeat him with his cooking. He'll feed Neo something incredible enough that he'll finally be satisfied, and Acacia will be left to face the brunt of the heroes' rage.
Still, cooking something to satisfy Neo is the same as cooking to Hitler.
Aww it's kinda sad that Jirou died. He's been around since nearly the beginning! At least his ending words were suitably foreboding.
When Acacia said that "come here", that panel was nightmare inducing. I still don't know if this Acacia is the real one or this is Neo speaking with Acacia's memories.
So basically Acacia is Aizen. Great.
So, what if Jirou used knocking on his mouth too, was that a win?
@Myu:
So, what if Jirou used knocking on his mouth too, was that a win?
Yep. Jirou had the means and could really have defeated Acacia/NEO. Ultimately it was his own overconfidence what sealed his defeat. He died by his own technique that Acacia taught him long ago. Smart move there, Mitsutoshi.
Gourmet World is no place to screw around: one single mistake, even a small one, and you're dead.
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Well holy shit Mitsutoshi. How the heck are they meant to beat this. Also I hope Midora wins against Joa. At least keep one of those three alive.
I guess Acacia teached Midora his tongue techniques as well.
I cant believe it…...Jirou.......
Only 1 fucking chapter? 1 Chapter of fighting and then he dies like a bitch?
If he only knocked Acacias mouth. Would that have made him win? I see that a speech bubble says "He released the Million Knocking!" I dont know if that is Jirou or Acacia saying that. But regardless, would Jirou have won?
All to just get an answer from Acacia....
God dammit man. The most hyped up thing in the series dies just like that
I cant believe it…...Jirou.......
Only 1 fucking chapter? 1 Chapter of fighting and then he dies like a bitch?
If he only knocked Acacias mouth. Would that have made him win? I see that a speech bubble says "He released the Million Knocking!" I dont know if that is Jirou or Acacia saying that. But regardless, would Jirou have won?
All to just get an answer from Acacia....
God dammit man. The most hyped up thing in the series dies just like that
To be fair, we got quite a dose of Jiro's Hilariality in those 3 last chapters.
At least with that way of dying Jirou will be able to reunite with the Igo president. That's already better than what Slime got. I'm a little sad Setsuno wasn't around and is stuck protecting the human world.
Anyone who thinks that Midora's going to live is delusional.
So the most boring antagonist takes out another interesting character. I want to drop this series, but like Naruto I'll watch this train wreck until the flames disperse. It's just sad to watch it all go down like this. Sigh.
But just incase, inb4 Jiro isn't dead.
Fuck Neo! RIP Jirou, the real hero.
I can't believe this is the real Acacia. It doesn't make sense! So why did he take under his wing those three? No, there will be an explanation!
What was even the point of this fight? Don Slime already showed NEO is incredibly powerful. This felt utterly pointless, the only thing Jirou accomplished is killing some of the Nitro.
Complicating things since 2009.
I'm torn.
On one hand, the imagery and visual representation of Jirou's demise was uber creepy, as it should've been.
On the other hand, Jirou is likable and yet went down like a chump against a literal talking, walking tumor. That's like, the opposite of cool.
On a hypothetical third hand, Neo IS supposed to be an impossibly unlikable, creepy, walking, talking tumor that's unfairly powerful.
On a fourth hand, that still doesn't make for a compelling villain, and much less the "Acacia was evil all along!" reveal, which is weak.
Argh.
We're still missing Teppei and Zaus…
Not a huge fan of Neo/Acacia, for the same reason that I don't like Madara and Aizen. If you're going to have someone beating (or, in this case, killing off) the strongest characters in the series, I feel like they should at least struggle for it. That way, it's more believable when the main character (who almost always has the most straightforward power set of the entire cast) manages to beat them in the end.
Take Blackbeard for example. Sure, he beat Ace and somehow has the ability to use more than one Devil Fruit at once, but his main fruit has clear drawbacks, in addition to the problems that every Devil Fruit user has to deal with. Sure, he's powerful, but it still seems like it's possible for Luffy to beat him.
Otherwise, the only way that the main characters can win would be if the author pulled a method of doing so out of nowhere, like Ichigo getting stabbed in his mind for three months/an hour and somehow becoming temporarily all-powerful because of it.
I liked how Jirou went out. It was quick but only because he underestimated Neo, an opponent who knew all his techniques and used it against him. It had to go down like this because unlike Don Slime, Jirou had the power to defeat Neo. This was the only way to have Jirou lose.
Not entirely convinced Acacia's feelings were all fake in the past, at least not in the very beginning.
it would have been better if they had gotten god while don slime,Jirou and midora were holding them back would make their deaths more of a sacrifice rather than suicide plus joa said he figured out midora's attacks in this chapter so he will most likely die next chapter lol.
neo/acacia could have still eaten god since they would have sent it to the human world.
Not a huge fan of Neo/Acacia, for the same reason that I don't like Madara and Aizen. If you're going to have someone beating (or, in this case, killing off) the strongest characters in the series, I feel like they should at least struggle for it. That way, it's more believable when the main character (who almost always has the most straightforward power set of the entire cast) manages to beat them in the end.
Take Blackbeard for example. Sure, he beat Ace and somehow has the ability to use more than one Devil Fruit at once, but his main fruit has clear drawbacks, in addition to the problems that every Devil Fruit user has to deal with. Sure, he's powerful, but it still seems like it's possible for Luffy to beat him.
Otherwise, the only way that the main characters can win would be if the author pulled a method of doing so out of nowhere, like Ichigo getting stabbed in his mind for three months/an hour and somehow becoming temporarily all-powerful because of it.
But in this case Jirou did the same thing to him. It wasn't one sided. It seems like if he used knocking on his mouth too, Jirou would seal him. There was a panel where 'he released million knockin' but we don't that would have been possible with this mouth knocked. So this is what happens with this level of fight. It's kinda one who gets the first shot wins and you don't ever get to make any mistakes. Remember how Jirou lost his head, then almost win?
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I liked how Jirou went out. It was quick but only because he underestimated Neo, an opponent who knew all his techniques and used it against him. It had to go down like this because unlike Don Slime, Jirou had the power to defeat Neo. This was the only way to have Jirou lose.
Not entirely convinced Acacia's feelings were all fake in the past, at least not in the very beginning.
That matter is kind of complicated. Maybe it's Neo's appettite runing over Acacia's consciousness. But it really doesn't seem to be like that. Ichiryuu too was talking about Acacia as if he was planning all things out. Remember when he said about 'plant of darkness or evil was you Midora?'. So he knew Acacia saw them only as plot devices. Which still we don't know how they were necessary though. And we never got to learn what Midora's darkness accomplished.
Visually this was an interesting fight. I can get behind the idea that fights at this level can be determined by one attack/mistake and that Jirou made a huge mistake. The problem is I, as a reader, have no reason to really be invested in this fight. Sure, sucks that Jirou died because he was a cool guy, but beyond that it felt meaningless to me. There was never much to begin with on Acacia as a character, so the idea that he may have been faking stuff doesn't interest me, nor who he once was as a character. The other fact remains is that we are seeing end game enemies which I have no way of seeing how the good guys can come out on top. Yes, full course and everything but even then it seems too much a gap for these people to overcome. Also, I never got any idea of that close of a connection between Jirou and Acacia. At most we have master/apprentice, but we never really explored that in full. Even if just one chapter seeing stuff between Jirou and Acacia could give me something to grab on.
I am looking forward to Midora and Frohze, because we had a number of chapters dedicated to the past relationship so I feel something beyond "oh look, two high level characters fighting". Beyond that I really don't have anything I can say I look forward to, as there has been little build-up and mostly exposition to try to get this plot rolling, and it just doesn't work. Also doesn't help that there are very few characters who will probably have focus from here on out that I have some sort of attachment to.
looks at all the above Yeah.
side-eyes the chapter This was dumb.
I'm really curious how the 4 kings are supposed to win. But I guess with most of the villains dead it doesn't matter.
@The:
The other fact remains is that we are seeing end game enemies which I have no way of seeing how the good guys can come out on top. Yes, full course and everything but even then it seems too much a gap for these people to overcome.
So, THIS is the problem. How could Toriko and the others think to battle guys like Neo/Acacia?
So was Acacia's "altruism" in giving "God" to the world to stop the war and start the Gourmet Age only for the purpose of fattening up the people and the planet for consumption?
One of the side morals of this series are that there are not really "bad" guys, but it's predator/prey fulfilling the desires of eating.
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So, THIS is the problem. How could Toriko and the others think to battle guys like Neo/Acacia?
Three demons, cooking jesus, three powerful friends and the Eight Kings. Still have growing to do.
Three demons, cooking jesus, three powerful friends and the Eight Kings. Still have growing to do.
Don Slime, the upper upper class demon, was no match for Neo (ok, Slimy didn't fight at his best because of Asarudy's body). Still, lack of experience for the Heavenly Kings, though the demons are 8 (three for Toriko, one for each Zebra, Coco, Sani, Starjun and the upcoming Buranchi) and not three. Aimaru doesn't have any demon, and we don't know if the Eight Kings would help the main characters in their fight against Neo. It's true that Teppei is still around…
Basically Jirou is a far away stronger version of Kenshiro, way cooler too.
So, THIS is the problem. How could Toriko and the others think to battle guys like Neo/Acacia?
No, that's just one of the problems. Mind you, it's not as huge as the lack of build-up, lack of characterization and character interactions, and the fact that we just skipped over more than half the god damn gourmet world, but it's still one of those problems in my eyes. Of course this problem would be negated with proper build-up and having something to bar who is at the top and all that. Biggest problem for me is that Neo ate a freaking exploding star no problem. I don't see the characters being able to get to that level even with BS power-ups.
But seriously, it's not a huge problem because Toriko's staple has been about random powerups. It's just something that becomes more aggravating with all the other problems.
@The:
Visually this was an interesting fight. I can get behind the idea that fights at this level can be determined by one attack/mistake and that Jirou made a huge mistake. The problem is I, as a reader, have no reason to really be invested in this fight. Sure, sucks that Jirou died because he was a cool guy, but beyond that it felt meaningless to me. There was never much to begin with on Acacia as a character, so the idea that he may have been faking stuff doesn't interest me, nor who he once was as a character. The other fact remains is that we are seeing end game enemies which I have no way of seeing how the good guys can come out on top. Yes, full course and everything but even then it seems too much a gap for these people to overcome. Also, I never got any idea of that close of a connection between Jirou and Acacia. At most we have master/apprentice, but we never really explored that in full. Even if just one chapter seeing stuff between Jirou and Acacia could give me something to grab on.
I am looking forward to Midora and Frohze, because we had a number of chapters dedicated to the past relationship so I feel something beyond "oh look, two high level characters fighting". Beyond that I really don't have anything I can say I look forward to, as there has been little build-up and mostly exposition to try to get this plot rolling, and it just doesn't work. Also doesn't help that there are very few characters who will probably have focus from here on out that I have some sort of attachment to.
It's been the main problem for quite some time. Considering the general sense of the series being 'preying without holding grudges' there really isn't no emotional build-up. It's just fun to be on the ride. This is why everyone is kind of mad at the series.
Anyone who thinks that Midora's going to live is delusional.
He's got the best chances to live of the bro trio considering he's got the most backstory investment behind him.
So was Acacia's "altruism" in giving "God" to the world to stop the war and start the Gourmet Age only for the purpose of fattening up the people and the planet for consumption?
One of the side morals of this series are that there are not really "bad" guys, but it's predator/prey fulfilling the desires of eating.
That's precisely what a bad guy is. Someone that deceives others for personal gain, usually to the point of maliciousness. It's the same thing Aizen did, it's the same thing Madara did, its' the same thing Blackbeard did, it's the same thing Dio did.
That's being an evil villian and all around bad guy.
@Myu:
It's been the main problem for quite some time. Considering the general sense of the series being 'preying without holding grudges' there really isn't no emotional build-up. It's just fun to be on the ride. This is why everyone is kind of mad at the series.
It worked at first for a few reasons. First of all it was the start of the series so it didn't quite have the time to get old and stale. Another part is even if there wasn't a grudge or something, there was the fact that we had a set up goal to get an ingredient, and when the fight was over we got to see preparation and enjoyment of said ingredient. In this one we have the supposed great dishes, but not much build-up and when they do have the item it's generally mediocre in the reaction. Worst case is they ate four of those items at once and it wasn't that big of a deal. Last, and the biggest thing for me, is that Toriko is trying to be more. Shima added all this plot via exposition and all this other stuff that it's trying to be more than it actually is. Instead of being able to enjoy the action and environments, we get all this talking and exposition. Jirou wants to know if those tears were fake, and the end result of the conversation falls flat because there wasn't a connection. If it was Jirou just fighting a built up enemy, and left out trying to make this connection it might've flowed better. Instead I'm supposed to feel bad about this, but I feel nothing.
Midora will probably die, but his death will be effective. That's the most we can hope for. As for Neo, he needs to be fed, not beaten.
Torika manga had so much potential, I don't see what the four kings can do to beat neo that wouldn't be considered a bull shit power up
Anticlimactic death was rather anticlimactic.
I'm really curious how the 4 kings are supposed to win. But I guess with most of the villains dead it doesn't matter.
A tiny little Virus can kill a human. Think about it! 
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A tiny little Virus can kill a human. Think about it!
He will most likely eat them then they will kill him from the inside lol.
At this point, bullshit as it is, I only want to Neo get beaten. Not being made happy by Komatsu's cooking. No.
I don't think Jirou died without doing some lasting damage. My guess is that layered within his Million Knocking was a second layer of delayed knocking. Jirou is the Knocking Master afterall - one has to think he learned a thing or two beyond what Acacia had taught him over time. I assume that at some point within the final battle, NEO will be on the verge of victory when Jirou's delayed knocking kicks in. Buying enough time for Toriko and the other 4HKs to power up for one final attack. Would be a pretty awesome sendoff for Jirou at any rate.
I'm starting to believe that they won't be able to defeat Neo. Maybe Neo is somehow weakened and runs off and the 4HK will have the time to train.
So… Acacia and Frohze are really evil? WTF?!
Some long-term predictions: Vegapunk with Paw-Paw fruit for Nakama!!! Kaidou is gonna be killed by Blackbeard and get his strongest Zoan DF!!!
So… Acacia and Frohze are really evil? WTF?!
acacia was turned evil because of neo inside him however that was most likely before he adopted the three boys also frohze is not evil she died reviving midora after cooking god and then was revived by midora she refused to revive into the body and either one of her demons or a gourmet demon took control of the body it was also gender changed to male.
frohze god cooking gourmet demon is inside komatsu at the moment.
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I'm starting to believe that they won't be able to defeat Neo. Maybe Neo is somehow weakened and runs off and the 4HK will have the time to train.
they could take neo out if they ate the last two foods god and center it will not be a 1vs1 fight they might even fight neo with more than 4 people as well and pair might even help as well.
@sanji''s_dad:
acacia was turned evil because of neo inside him however that was most likely before he adopted the three boys also frohze is not evil she died reviving midora after cooking god and then was revived by midora she refused to revive into the body and either one of her demons or a gourmet demon took control of the body it was also gender changed to male.
frohze god cooking gourmet demon is inside komatsu at the moment.
Why does thus sound so much like the end of Naruto with the two brothers reincarnating in Naruto and Sasuke?
I hope Oda won't create the concept of Pirate Cells. "Luffy has Roger's pirate cells inside him!". Please. No.
Why does thus sound so much like the end of Naruto with the two brothers reincarnating in Naruto and Sasuke?
I hope Oda won't create the concept of Pirate Cells. "Luffy has Roger's pirate cells inside him!". Please. No.
one piece has the will of D and luffy also got Ace's will after he died whatever that is lol.
I hope Oda won't create the concept of Pirate Cells. "Luffy has Roger's pirate cells inside him!". Please. No.
The absolute worst I see happening in that vein is Luffy being the reincarnation of Roger due to a fruit power that can manipulate souls.
