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    • Ordinary
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      Well, I couldn't finish the 1st half of Death Note, so I'm probably not going to finish this either.
      I'm not quite sure how they'll handle the main character. Fingers crossed they won't do some Roahl Dahl fantasy shit, but I guess that's already too late, since he already killed his aunt. (She was evil and she killed herserlf, its not his fault, trust me)
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      look more like Law of ueki (who came before Mirai nikki) than Mirai nikki since the MC got some supernaturel power from the angel. I actually have a bad feeling about the angel because of this:

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      "she" look a bit like like his mother btw

      I can't wait to see the next chapter and the anime in probably 2/3 years

      That's a translation thing. Batoto scan group's text only says "I can tell because I'm an angel". Also logic dictates that this probably is actual exposition rather thana secret plot twist.

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        Batoto scan group's text only says "I can tell because I'm an angel".

        The one on batoto is translated from chinese scan (ishuihui). The one above is more accurate since it's directly translated from japanese scan.

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          Creepy sex doll like waifu character pledges herself to the happiness of an awful loser giving him the ability to make any woman his loyal slave who will kill herself a a moment's notice. This is some pretty creepy wish fulfillment bullshit.

          You know there's some deep rooted misogyny going on when the main character gets inspiration to continue living due to the horrific suicide of a woman. Definitely an Ohba series then…

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            The first chapter wasn't very impressive. I'm not saying the story won't develop into something great, but when it starts off rather generic, it's hard to keep the attention of readers.

            Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship

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              After reading the chapter with a better translation (Viz / stephen), my opinion of this first chapter improved even further. Can't wait for the next one.

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                I don't have access to VIZ, but Mangastream translation was enough to do the trick for me (or maybe it was just because I was doing a second run). Now I am interested.

                However, seeing how of the angel acts, I can't see Mirai going anywhere but Kira's way.

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                  The art was amazing even Ohba commented on it:

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                    Honestly I was a little put off by it. The main character reminded me of an emo-goth like personality. Since we got the back story it made sense, but then when they went into the whole God is going to retire, so he needs his angels to find his replacements among a bunch of humans. Already we got a typical shonen stereotype set for tournament style to begin probably not long into the series. The chapter also felt drawn out and boring. I will probably check out the second chapter but Enen no Shouboutai is making more of an impression on me than this so far.

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                      Reversi x Mirai Nikki. The art looks great.
                      Everything else was unimpresive ~Hattori would approve.
                      I have to see how it goes for a few more chapters.

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                        Like everyone has said, it's Death Note x Shaman King. First chapter was "eh." I might try a few more chapters, but it's not a good beginning. I never liked Death Note, but I loved Bakuman. We'll see how this goes.

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                          This competition whitch reminded me of mirai nikki… Pl's platin-chan don't be mirai note be jest death note plsplspls

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                            Here is the Korean scanlation for chapter 2.

                            http://www.mangaumaru.com/archives/564195

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                              Here is the Korean scanlation for chapter 2.

                              http://www.mangaumaru.com/archives/564195

                              ! Seems like we learn more about the game and a rival appears

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                                Chapter is out in English

                                https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/platinum_end/en/1/2/page/1

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                                  This is like School Days type of trash. So bad.

                                  Murder and rape and look at how dark and mature this is!

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                                    Just generally hilarious when you're part of the most dangerous game of death to become the ruler of the universe and the first thing you do is make it publicly known that you are a competitor in this game and are openly showing off your powers

                                    Unless that was the angel's whole goal so he didn't have to put up with the game.

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                                      It's starting to look good.

                                      The Rodrigues character was kinda ridiculous ("MWAHAHA! SEX!!"… seriously?), but I am interested in the hunting that will start. PE has some Death Note vibes, if the other humans also become players in this game of trying to become god while remaining hidden/alive, this can become really interesting.

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                                      This was not supposed to be a Battle Royale, it is just that guy that decided to see it like that. But just how Mirai and Nasse, I believe Rodrigues and his angel (Looter?) didn't thought one of the humans would decide to become a god by eliminating the competition.

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                                        This was not supposed to be a Battle Royale, it is just that guy that decided to see it like that. But just how Mirai and Nasse, I believe Rodrigues and his angel (Looter?) didn't thought one of the humans would decide to become a god by eliminating the competition.

                                        I mean they did kinda get the hint and whole explanation that this is a competition, right? Last man standing gets the spot of God. Sure not everyone's going to be a complete dick in the competition, but surely you don't want to stick out like a sore thumb while wearing a target that says "AIM HERE FREE KILL"

                                        Just strikes me as odd but I guess they needed some fodder to introduce the more malicious entrants.

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                                          I mean they did kinda get the hint and whole explanation that this is a competition, right? Last man standing gets the spot of God. Sure not everyone's going to be a complete dick in the competition, but surely you don't want to stick out like a sore thumb while wearing a target that says "AIM HERE FREE KILL"

                                          Just strikes me as odd but I guess they needed some fodder to introduce the more malicious entrants.

                                          To be fair, I didn't get the vibe of "last guy standing" from the last chapter, so maybe that's why I think it's perfectly fine if the characters didn't got it as well.

                                          It was supposedly to be a test of who could prove to be worth of being the next God, it had nothing to do with killing others. If anything, you would expect killing others would make your chances drop (until you get to know the angels better and find out they don't give a damn about morals).
                                          I mean, damn, you are supposed to be in this game using a power to make people fall in love with you OR to fly fast (you are not even supposed to have both like Mirai), it really doesn't strike me as a Battle Royale kind of competition at first glance.

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                                            I mean it's just like those other series that we were alluding to for the first three pages or so lol. Whether it's Battle Royale or Mirai Nikki or Konjiki no Gash!!, a game of "who's gonna end up being God" is usually helped out by not standing out in the open and saying "SHOOT ME", because usually being dead means being out of the running for that job position. Especially when it was alluded to in the previous chapter that angels could make more than one type of arrow with the red arrow seeming to be the rudimentary basic one, it was going to be more than just a real life love simulator competition.

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                                              Mirai is stuck with the worst angel. I mean…geeze. "Why don't you just kill your family to get money? teehee <3"

                                              The main character having normal goals suddenly feels odd since he recently tried to kill himself. And is full on depressing in everything he does. Sadly sleeping on the floor...Why? So far the cast of characters are majorly unlikable or have any relatable traits that don't seem severely skewed for extra drama.

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                                                I think the weakest part of this series is how boring the MC is. He just doesn't have anything going for him right now and it seems a little late to make him interesting.

                                                I do think the game itself could be interesting, but the plot/game explanation has been pretty hamfisted.

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                                                  What is with the author just throwing a Love Interest that has been mentioned in the first chapter out of nowhere?

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                                                    End of chapter blurb: "There are some people that think like this!"

                                                    This chapter was practically half exposition. Just constant talking about motivation and explaining the rules (If you want to escape the Red Arrow, you have to check your inventory for Angel Wings and roll a critical!)and adding new powers. At least some candidate-candidate dynamics were communicated largely non-verbally. And after all of this I still have no idea what the criteria for becoming God is. Does the previous God pick him? Is it a vote? What do you have to do?

                                                    When I think about it, this angel is complete nonsense. How does she function?? I really think at this point she has no concept of what happiness is, and like, learnt it from spying on random rich edgy scumbags. (Trust me, she's going to die and this will be the flashback before she dies). How does becoming a God guarantee happiness for Mirai? Wouldn't it just be more responsibility? At least Mirai's a little better this chapter. He showed slight remorse at accidentally murdering his aunt, and largely objected to Nasse's crazy schemes.

                                                    I'm sure there's a relatively objective reason why all of this doesn't click right and I'm still trying to figure it out.

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                                                      Viz changed the content rating for Platinum End to "mature". As a direct consequence of that change you can only read Platinum End on the viz webreader and not via the apps (at least is available on kindle - just found it) I wonder how viz will be able to make money off Platinum End. I bought the chapter but can't read it because the webreader doesn't work properly for me. I see the first two pages if I am lucky and that's it. Viz is so damn stupid.

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                                                        There's a ton of nudity and sexual content in the second chapter, their hands are kind of tied in that regard.

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                                                          The second chapter reminded me of Eden of the East a bit, mixed in with a bit of Death Note and Future Diary. I'm genuinely interested to see where this is heading.

                                                          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                            update on the app situation: apparently Comixology will let you view mature-rated titles, so you can read it on tablet through that

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                                                              @stephen:

                                                              update on the app situation: apparently Comixology will let you view mature-rated titles, so you can read it on tablet through that

                                                              It seems Platinum End is only available in North America. I guess I can call myself lucky that I was able to pay with my european paypal account on shonenjump.viz since Platinum End is not available on Comixology.eu nor on amazon uk/kindle (uk/irleand) only comixology.com and amazon.com

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                                                                It's unfortunate that it's not available on the Viz media app. I really enjoyed reading the first one on the app, with a translation I can trust.

                                                                Anyway, about the chapter, I enjoyed it.
                                                                I'm really glad that the predictable "red arrow abuse" plot is out of the way so quickly.

                                                                I see a lot of potential in this "battle royale". I just hope that Nasse will explain all the rules there are to tell very soon.
                                                                There must be some limits to the white arrow. Number of use ? Distance ? Frequency ?

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                                                                    I bought Platinum End chapter 1 and 2 on viz and comixology (I finally found out how to get access to all the viz content on comixology.eu not only weekly Shonen Jump ) and it seems that comixology is releasing Platinum End in a better quality than the viz reader which normally applies to all viz volumes except for english Shonen Jump. If you want to read Platinum End on a tablet or via webbrowser I would recommend comixology instead of the viz reader because the price is the same (that is unfortunately not the case for english Shonen Jump) and the quality is superior

                                                                    Come to think of it, in the last couple of months comixology advanced to a very neat manga reading platform because viz offers bundles also on cmx but not on itunes or kindle for technical reasons. And since comixology and amazon accounts can be combined (a manga you buy on amazon/via kindle can be read on comixology et vice versa as long as the content is available - e.g. yen Press titles are not available on cmx but on kindle as of yet) and has the best quality of older volumes that platform gets more and more interesting.

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                                                                      Chapter 3: https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/platinum_end/en/0/3/page/1

                                                                      [hide]Probably my favorite chapter of the three but still not great. Superheroes are just so over-done right now (which is what makes OPM's deconstruction of them so great)[/hide]

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                                                                        What a shocker. The love interest that had yet to appear was actually a God candidate! and the hero was actually just a high school student!

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                                                                          The angel is starting to look more and more like Ryuk.

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                                                                            I didnt see that love interest reveal coming tbh. And that's actually what makes me want to continue the series.

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                                                                              I don't know what to make of that angel character. She sounds manipulative as hell, but genuinely innocent.

                                                                              I won't be surprised if this ends up leading to a twist about angels and devils being the same thing.

                                                                              And the main character… I actually find him kinda likable, although not exactly interesting.

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                                                                              What a shocker. The love interest that had yet to appear was actually a God candidate! and the hero was actually just a high school student!

                                                                              Well, high-school students are the main Japanese suicidal demographic (and I feel horrible for writing this), so it sorta makes sense that most candidates would end up being high-schoolers.

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                                                                                This is definitely the best chapter out of the three so far, probably because it wasn't overflowing with that much edge. The superhero thing is kinda stupid though. It's a logical idea that people would play hero with these powers, but it's such a boring and un-compelling idea. wow superheroes
                                                                                I guess the white hair guy didn't kill that guy while wearing the suit, was it an idea made up on the spot? It's clear it's not really his character.

                                                                                I think one thing I;m noticing is that there's more effort in trying to make Nasse a palatable character. You can see that she makes cute animu faces this chapter and doesn't come off as a psycho. Maybe editor feedback?

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                                                                                  Really good chapter IMO. Can't wait to see where it's going.

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                                                                                    Did read the 3 chapters and well, I'm quite indecisive right now. The premise is good, however, something has to be really bad in order for me to question the premise itself. Regarding the premise, it highly depends on the abilities and how they get used. Until now the abilities didn't impress me. Especially the white arrow: Just killing is one of the most generic abilities you could imagine. Besides, it feels superfluous when you have the red arrow. Couldn't you just say something like 'You don't want to live any more. Go and kill yourself in a peaceful manner!'?

                                                                                    However, I'm curious how it goes on. I hope the girl will use the control in a clever way and not just want to get loved.

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                                                                                      Next chapter prediction: If the target already loves you, the arrow doesn't works.

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                                                                                        I swear, this is like one of the premises from Bakuman they decided wouldn't work.

                                                                                        Might as well have just made Reversi.

                                                                                        I feel like that's what it's supposed to be though… I get the feeling that they wanted to make Reversi, as in making it that sort of "Battle manga that doesn't feel like a Battle manga" and this is what they decided to go with. They decided not to go with Reversi (which I agree might not've been a bad way to go.) but for some reason they decided instead to go this route. I do still feel like though, if they wanted to do the whole "Battle manga that's somehow not one" thing then… I feel like both Attack on Titan and Tokyo Ghoul have that sort of feel to them, so maybe that would've been better? If nothing else I could very easily see them doing a style that's very similar to both of those series, given Death Note was a Shonen that often straddled the line of a Seinen, just like Attack on Titan, and Tokyo Ghoul is a Seinen series that somehow seems to feel like a really dark Shonen. :ninja:

                                                                                        I will say that I was mildly intrigued by the first 3 chapters of this series. If nothing else it's not what I was expecting at all. I certainly thought that the chapters after the 1st one did a slightly better job of illustrating what Ohba and Obata are trying to do with this premise. Granted, I do think if this weren't by two people who brought me two series that I really loved I probably wouldn't be that interested, but then again, it is by those two people, and also... It generally only takes me about 10 minutes to read a monthly manga series, and that's once a month... So if anything it's actually an even shorter time commitment then 5 minutes on average for a weekly series. :ninja:

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                                                                                        Here is the only place that matters.

                                                                                        Other places you find people that think Naruto and Bleach are good.

                                                                                        I feel like I need to make this into my Sig, just so people have a better understanding of why I left this forum for two years…

                                                                                        Also, just because I like most of you guys a lot, a lot of you guys mention that this series is resemblant of Future Diary (and I'm not calling it Mirai Nikki because I'm not a goddamn weeaboo) …. ..... I would kind of prefer you guys didn't mention that series honestly… There are so many bad memories from that series that I don't want to relive... Now before I play the "This is the End" music from Apocalypse Now... I'm going to show you this amazing and hilarious and horrifying video of the Weekly Manga Recap guys explaining in detail why Future Diary is horrible... Enjoy... and also be amazed by the horrific-ness of writing, and characterization, and taste and all those other things that make a good series...

                                                                                        … NOW I can play This is the End from Apocalypse Now (technically it's not from Apocalypse Now but everyone associates it with that movie so… Yeah...)

                                                                                        Seriously… I feel like I went on a goddamn tour of duty after reading that piece of **** series... The amount of stupid in Future Diary is about on par with... Well, the vast majority of the "Next Two Straw-Hats" thread. Which I just realized... People always say that AP Forums posters are way smarter then posters on most other forums and... You're not wrong mind you but... Check out some of the suggestions in the "Next Two Crew-Members" thread... (Monet? Seriously!?) and try and say that again with a straight face. It's a bit harder isn't it?

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                                                                                          People always say that AP Forums posters are way smarter then posters on most other forums and… You're not wrong mind you but... Check out some of the suggestions in the "Next Two Crew-Members" thread... (Monet? Seriously!?) and try and say that again with a straight face. It's a bit harder isn't it?

                                                                                          Why did you quote something I posted four months ago?

                                                                                          Next Nakama is a trash thread and everyone knows it, and is specifically kept around to keep that nonsense out of allll the other threads. But even there you'll find good analysis and story understanding from the people that actually know what they're talking about. No one ever said everyone on AP is a good poster. But we have a lot of good ones and we take strides to keep the quality up by teaching others about story structure and better grasping the nuance of things.

                                                                                          Yes, this place gets stupid. But when its not stupid in the name of fun, and its just stupid for stupid's sake, it usually gets counterbalanced by competant analysis and education explaining why a theory is dumb… rather than widely accepted.

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                                                                                            Something something Anton Ego quote from Ratatouille something

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                                                                                              In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.

                                                                                              But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations. The new needs friends. Last night, I experienced something new: an extraordinary post from a singularly unexpected source. To say that both the posting and its maker have challenged my preconceptions about fine theories is a gross understatement. They have rocked me to my core. In the past, I have made no secret of my disdain for those that post in the Nakama thread and the famous motto, "Anyone can join, because Oda is unpredictable!" But I realize, only now do I truly understand what they meant.

                                                                                              Not everyone can become a great theorist and see the structure of the story; but a great theorist can come from anywhere. It is difficult to imagine more humble origins than those of the genius now posting in Next Nakama thread, who is, in this critic's opinion, nothing less than the finest analyst in France. I will be returning to nakamate threads soon, hungry for more.

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                                                                                                @Robby:

                                                                                                Why did you quote something I posted four months ago?

                                                                                                Next Nakama is a trash thread and everyone knows it, and is specifically kept around to keep that nonsense out of allll the other threads. But even there you'll find good analysis and story understanding from the people that actually know what they're talking about. No one ever said everyone on AP is a good poster. But we have a lot of good ones and we take strides to keep the quality up by teaching others about story structure and better grasping the nuance of things.

                                                                                                Yes, this place gets stupid. But when its not stupid in the name of fun, and its just stupid for stupid's sake, it usually gets counterbalanced by competant analysis and education explaining why a theory is dumb… rather than widely accepted.

                                                                                                I don't know why I decided to sig it honestly… It just felt appropriate for some reason. I know it's weird but... It just seemed fitting you know?

                                                                                                And actually your argument that the Next Two Nakama's thread is a "Trash thread" is actually very reasonable imo. Because you're right it keeps the stupid Monet fanboys (seriously I can't believe that's a thing) in the thread where they belong, and you're a very right that a lot of people do post legitimately well reasoned theories in there along with all of the crap. I never said that you were wrong when you said that this forum was better then 90%-99% of all other anime/manga forums on the net... just for some reason I thought of the Next Two Nakama's threads and thought... Well you can't say that every thread on this forum is excellent. But then again, even one of our worst threads, which is supposed to be really bad, is still better then most other bad threads on other forums. I can only shudder when I think of the Naruto and Bleach and Fairy Tail threads on Naruto Forums. God I never want to go back to that place. So you've got me there.

                                                                                                I think the reason why I found that quote you made all the way back then interesting when I read it is... I agree that the people on this forum are smarter then most other people (I include myself among the smart people even though I'm well aware that there's a lot of people on this forum much smarter then myself) but… I've always felt bad because for a while I used to be kind of a total dick to people who liked stupid crap (I mean... more of a dick then I already tend to be...) and later on I started to really regret it because I found out that I was pushing away people who were otherwise really good people and were actually fairly intelligent and hard working people who just happened to have questionable tastes here and there. One of my best friends likes the Transformers movies... I have no idea why, but whatever he's my friend regardless. My girlfriend is also a really big fan of the Fairy Tail manga, and I have no idea why but apparently she sees something in it that I don't. And she also said that Pearl Harbor by that most magnificent of monkey children Michael Bay was one of her favorite movies... And that made me a bit sad I'm not going to lie... But what have you, it really is all a matter of opinion at the end of the day.

                                                                                                And for my closing thoughts I leave one of the greatest internet reviews of all time, the Nostalgia Critic's most magnificent review of Moulin Rouge. A lot of people agree with hiim that Moulin Rouge is garbage (such as myself)... But other people think it's brilliant. The point being that there's always going to be a polarized reaction to certain works and sometimes you just have to accept that not everyone will agree.

                                                                                                Now we should probably get back to talking about Platinum End at this point… Because God forbid we actually discuss Platinum End in the forum thread about Platinum End. :ninja:

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                                                                                                In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.

                                                                                                But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations. The new needs friends. Last night, I experienced something new: an extraordinary post from a singularly unexpected source. To say that both the posting and its maker have challenged my preconceptions about fine theories is a gross understatement. They have rocked me to my core. In the past, I have made no secret of my disdain for those that post in the Nakama thread and the famous motto, "Anyone can join, because Oda is unpredictable!" But I realize, only now do I truly understand what they meant.

                                                                                                Not everyone can become a great theorist and see the structure of the story; but a great theorist can come from anywhere. It is difficult to imagine more humble origins than those of the genius now posting in Next Nakama thread, who is, in this critic's opinion, nothing less than the finest analyst in France. I will be returning to nakamate threads soon, hungry for more.

                                                                                                This is the best thing ever btw. Thank you. :wub:

                                                                                                My Hero Academia is my favorite manga series right now. At least so long as the high of its greatness remains. United States of Smash.

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                                                                                                  I love Moulin Rogue. It's one of my favorite movies. And not as a guilty pleasure. I love the crap out of it. I've listened to the commentaries, watched the makings of, bought it on dvd and later blu ray, own both soundtracks. A lot of Nostalgia Critic's complaints I have actual answers to, because the director had reasons, and they resonate and work for me. (They didn't do a jukebox musical because its easy, but because the script called for the lead to have written the greatest poetry in history, and there was no way for the writers to be that clever. But stuff that's proved the test of time over decades? That's stuff that resonates.)

                                                                                                  But yes, at its heart it is a cheesy movie that plays like a fairy tail, and if you can't accept that Disney standard of falling in love in an hour, then of course it falls flat on its face immediately and it definitely has moments that aren't great, but it has me forever for the elephant love medley sequence alone. Its a movie I love, but I'd never put it in an all time list of greats that wasn't just a personal list, because I know its too flawed and weird to be among the best.

                                                                                                  People can like stupid stuff. Can love it even. As long as you don't tout it as better than everything else while completely overlooking any flaws it might have, without having actually seen and sampled some of the other stuff… when you're totally blind about it, when you don't even understand it, that's when you run into problems and avalaches of "stupid."
                                                                                                  The Transformers movies are fucking awful on every level and if you're only in it to see the explosions I guess thats a thing, but if you like them for much anything else, you and millions of other people are morons. You can have "turn your brain off" films that are fun and breezy, but don't insult your intelligence. Like the first Iron Man movie, or the new Star Wars. There's no excuse for Transformers to be what it is.

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                                                                                                    Okay, can we stop this out of topic discussion, NOW? 😠

                                                                                                    I don't really care what you guys are arguing about, but it is clear that you guys aren't even talking about Platinum End. Just make separate thread to continue you guys' arguments.

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                                                                                                      It's perfectly on topic, we're discussing Bakuman, the previous work by the authors, and how that and its themes carries over into this one… as well as the general disatisfaction people are having with this series but that it's okay if some people like it.

                                                                                                      What is it about Platinum End you would actually like to discuss? You haven't said anything about it in a month and a half, and that was "Korean version of chapter 2 is out". And your post from before that, a month earlier, was to insult the forum for talking about Naruto and Bleach, which is also being discussed right now.

                                                                                                      And no one has said much of anything about chapter 3. Cause the series isn't doing anything for anyone so far. If not for the creative team it'd be pretty much already dismissed by everyone.

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                                                                                                        Chapter 3 was basically repeating all the generic things the last two chapters did and none of those things were interesting the first time around. Eh, I'm done with this - it kind of has all of the negative things what an Ohba/Obata series could have, but none of the good things - the massive exposition dumps were at least attempted to be made more fun or interesting to read, the sexism wasn't nearly as in your face and there were some actually likeable or entertaining, well-established characters in Death Note and Bakuman. The attempts to make me care feel empty.

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