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    • Louis-1988
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      @Robby:

      In which case, we're going to eventually see what the other strawhats were up to and finding out the information on that is going to stretch way longer, making htis much longer than 100 chapters. Because either what the other strawhats are doing either counts, or it doesn't. You can't just count one chapter of however long their adventure (which is off island!) is and not the rest.

      If you're going to be that arbitrary, anything can be stretched to a whim to fit.

      Heck, by that loose definition, Amazon Lilly, Impel Down, the War, and the timeskip are all part of the Saobondy arc.

      Now you're just being really silly. Talk about attacking a strawman… haha.

      The Strawhat's left Sabondy via Kuma.

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        I never said he did. In this case, I absolutely believe he is. The Dressrosa arc officially started at 700 (where they arrived at the end of the chapter) and I'm convinced Oda's been padding a lot of stuff in this entire arc just to get to 800 (look at the chapters with all of the running/pushing, that old grandma with the broken leg, etc. I could give a lot more examples, but I don't have the time). Bottom line is this arc is about 20 chapters longer than it probably should've been. One Piece has not been the same since the timeskip, which is probably why it's been dropping in popularity (at least in terms of merchandise sales) over the last few years. Oda really needs to focus on what's important and cut down on the filler (like the hundreds of wasted panels in this arc with just random pirate/citizen/marine fodder commenting on obvious crap) and get back to the Sabaody/Impel Down/War style of moving relatively fast while also including really interesting characters/stakes.

        You mean exposition? That was always there in huge amounts. You should reread more.

        Marineford didn't have much of it because Oda wanted the action to flow, but that was the exception, not the standard (also, he was busy with Strong World). Everywhere else we had Marines, villagers, zombies, convicts, etc describing what they thought was happening.

        Also, I really hope you don't think Rebecca's plotline finishing was padding. If anything, it was rushed. It deserved way more panel time.

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          I never said he did. In this case, I absolutely believe he is. The Dressrosa arc officially started at 700 (where they arrived at the end of the chapter) and I'm convinced Oda's been padding a lot of stuff in this entire arc just to get to 800 (look at the chapters with all of the running/pushing, that old grandma with the broken leg, etc. I could give a lot more examples, but I don't have the time). Bottom line is this arc is about 20 chapters longer than it probably should've been. One Piece has not been the same since the timeskip, which is probably why it's been dropping in popularity (at least in terms of merchandise sales) over the last few years. Oda really needs to focus on what's important and cut down on the filler (like the hundreds of wasted panels in this arc with just random pirate/citizen/marine fodder commenting on obvious crap) and get back to the Sabaody/Impel Down/War style of moving relatively fast while also including really interesting characters/stakes.

          ANd they also spent a whole lot of chapters running from not-deadly Death smoke on Punk Hazard. Chapters upon chapters of just them running. COuld have easily been cut or trimmed down. And on Thriler Bark there were a ton of General Zombies introduced that were eventually just stepped on by Oars. Oda could have skipped a couple chapters there. In Water 7 there was that entire typhoon train race that wasn't needed.

          Oda had chase scenes and dramatic moments and lingers on some details while rushing through others. Its not because he's trying to reach a specific arc chapter count, its cause thats a detail he thinks enhances the story. Writing doesn't work by mathematical formula.

          The only time in OP's entire history we've had a documented case of him working around the chapter number was 100, where he cut a couple chapters to reach that point. Otherwise, he has never shown any concern for anniversary chapters.

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          Now you're just being really silly. Talk about attacking a strawman… haha.

          The Strawhat's left Sabondy via Kuma.

          ANd then they later turned to finish their buisness there before leaving on what had been their planned next stop all along.

          Its dumb becaue if the strawhats leave on chapter 799, people will say that's 100 chapters. If its 800, people will claim that one. (Even though 700-800 is actually 101 chapters long) At 8o1 people wil then denounce the Kaidou chapter. If its 805, people will have no foot to stand on except for thats where volume 80 will be ending. And people will cherry pick what exact denotes "leaving" to reach the magic number too. Is it leaving the place? Or arriving at the next? what if there's stuff in the middle?

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            Its dumb becaue if the strawhats leave on chapter 799, people will say that's 100 chapters. If its 800, people will claim that one. (Even though 700-800 is actually 101 chapters long) At 8o1 people wil then denounce the Kaidou chapter. If its 805, people will have no foot to stand on except for thats where volume 80 will be ending. And people will cherry pick what exact denotes "leaving" to reach the magic number too. Is it leaving the place? Or arriving at the next? what if there's stuff in the middle?

            first world problems :sad:

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              There was nothing emotional about it. To me and many others it felt forced. Oda literally came up with this stuff in the last chapter.

              There was an attempt of emotion there. Don't be silly.

              You can say it felt forced, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist.

              It was also the only appropriate time to do it. After Dressrosa was saved. It's like saying that Franky should have joined during their fight at Enies Lobby so that we could skip the speedo chase and ball breaking.

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                Reread the flashback chapters, then read the latest chapter. Its much stronger that way.

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                  Why not just say that Oda likes to have important moments near the hundred chapter marks, but after rushing to hit 100 and leaving out some bits he (mostly) learned his lesson and has settled for rough estimates? Trying to hit an exact mark for chapter or page count only hurts the quality of writing since events will get dragged out or overlooked in over to fit an arbitrary goal.

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                    @King:

                    You mean exposition? That was always there in huge amounts. You should reread more.

                    Marineford didn't have much of it because Oda wanted the action to flow, but that was the exception, not the standard (also, he was busy with Strong World). Everywhere else we had Marines, villagers, zombies, convicts, etc describing what they thought was happening.

                    Also, I really hope you don't think Rebecca's plotline finishing was padding. If anything, it was rushed. It deserved way more panel time.

                    Not deserved, needed to make it more relatable or interesting, but this arc was too bloated as it was. In re reads is a lot better.

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                    @Jabberwok:

                    Why not just say that Oda likes to have important moments near the hundred chapter marks, but after rushing to hit 100 and leaving out some bits he (mostly) learned his lesson and has settled for rough estimates? Trying to hit an exact mark for chapter or page count only hurts the quality of writing since events will get dragged out or overlooked in over to fit an arbitrary goal.

                    Because doing it Once isn't a pattern, and he hasn't rushed or slowed down ever since, specialy evident in shabody reunion when he could have put a couple of chapters dedicated to them frolicking in the island or the decks of the world reacting to them or something.

                    I guess he might try it for the big 1K though. Is 5 years away.

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                      Oda likes to have emotional or important moments when an arc is closed. That's all. He's not a genius for that, neither he buys the baloto or what not.

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                        @King:

                        You mean exposition? That was always there in huge amounts. You should reread more.

                        Marineford didn't have much of it because Oda wanted the action to flow, but that was the exception, not the standard (also, he was busy with Strong World). Everywhere else we had Marines, villagers, zombies, convicts, etc describing what they thought was happening.

                        Also, I really hope you don't think Rebecca's plotline finishing was padding. If anything, it was rushed. It deserved way more panel time.

                        No I get that. I know that's the exposition technique that he's used since the beginning. After almost 800 chapters, it's gotten old. Most of the time, they aren't needed because if a person is capable of reading One Piece, they're capable of understanding what's going on. I mean, he's drawn thousands and thousands of panels just to explain something the reader already gets. "Oh, that guy just did something crazy, so I'll draw a group of panels of fodder going 'Eyyyy!'" Point is, the flow of Sabaody/Impel Down/War was some of his best (and most popular arcs) and I believe it's because the story flowed so much better without too much fodder exposition or time wasted on uninteresting characters.

                        Bottom line for me is that Oda's added a lot of unnecessary filler to this arc seemingly just for the sake of stretching it out. Just think about how long the Franky fight lasted, the plotcage running/pushing went on, the Bellamy Luffy "fight" and more. And no, I'm not saying Rebecca's storyline is filler. I just hate the character and wish the resolution came 20 chapters ago (when the arc probably should've ended).

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                          Oda likes to have emotional or important moments when an arc is closed. That's all. He's not a genius for that, neither he buys the baloto or what not.

                          but these moments used to be incredible and memorable (Vivi's farewell, Luffy's shadow in the sky for Cricket, Robin's delivrance/Merry's funerals). This was just bland and emotionless, so was the whole subplot involving Rebecca/Kyros.

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                          hell, even Fishman Island had a great and decent ending with Jinbe sharing blood with Luffy.

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                            So the demon from hell in the sky punching out the angel from heaven (beneath him) with a punch that cracked the landmass in half wasn't epic and closure worthy?

                            Quit handpicking single 1 or 2 page moments and pretending thats the entirety of a resolution to an arc. There's usualyl a whole bunch of chapters and scenes… and this one isn't quite finished yet.

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                              So the demon from hell in the sky punching out the angel from heaven (beneath him) with a punch that cracked the landmass in half wasn't epic and closure worthy?

                              That can be compared with Luffy beating Croco up the sky. But that's not enough, far from it. Alabasta had Vivi's farewell, a great ending. A 100 chapters arc deserves a great ending like every major arcs of One Piece. Dressrosa is missing that ending, and I still hope it's going to involve Law, but I doubt it.

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                                but these moments used to be incredible and memorable (Vivi's farewell, Luffy's shadow in the sky for Cricket, Robin's delivrance/Merry's funerals). This was just bland and emotionless, so was the whole subplot involving Rebecca/Kyros.

                                To me it was good and I think it's not over yet. Otherwise the story about Rebeca and Kyros and Dressrosa would be really bad, read from the first flashback to the last or on the other way. If this were the end, dressrosa people would be stupid and full of prejudices; that would be an issue to me, because if they can learn to value what Kyros did, and give him the place he deserves, as a reader, I would lost connection with them: why to safe people that stupid. I bet this is not the end, and hope Oda will properly make a better close to that plotline.

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                                  I hope that Oda is serious about Fuji being serious.

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                                    I liked this chapter a lot! I never felt much for Rebecca, but I still found this conclusion touching. I don't understand how people can see this as stretching the plot, I think the conclusion chapters are always the best part of the arc.

                                    I didn't read through the whole thread, but I saw a lot of arguments for and against Rebecca. I don't really find her annoying, but I've come to realise how incredibly bland she is. She is mostly defined through her relationship with Kyros, and Kyros's tragic story is definitely the stronger side of their tale. I haven't paid attention to this before, but now I can't think of a single interesting personality trait that would define Rebecca. Dislikes violence? Seriously, that was mentioned in maybe two instances. Doesn't want to hurt anyone, I guess, but wasn't that mostly because her mother told her so? She has a strong desire to be with her father/the soldier, but is that really a personality trait? I would just describe her as a generic nice girl who was forced to fight. That serves the story ok, but it still doesn't make Rebecca herself very interesting.

                                    By the way, I might have missed this in the manga or it has been discussed before, but it has been bugging me for a long time. Was it ever explained how everyone knew Rebecca was king Riku's granddaughter? Her mother "died" to the eyes of the public and she clearly wasn't Violet's daughter.

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                                      By the way, I might have missed this in the manga or it has been discussed before, but it has been bugging me for a long time. Was it ever explained how everyone knew Rebecca was king Riku's granddaughter? Her mother "died" to the eyes of the public and she clearly wasn't Violet's daughter.

                                      Can't remember if it was revealed. There are several possible explanations. Rebecca revealed it herself, Violet or Lepanto revealed it to save her life in a dangerous situation, Dofla discovered it by other means… Like he recognized her fighting style (he might have been observing Dressrosa for a long time) and put two and two together, bribed people, employed spies, compared her picture to Scarlett's picture...

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                                      It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                                        By the way, I seriously can't wait to see Doflamingo's thoughts or words after his defeat, or how he will progress. Will he still be full of himself like always or dedicate himself to become stronger and come back as a badass villain again?
                                        Will we even get to see him in this arc? I mean even if he somehow escapes from marines we can still see him, right? Will we know his trump card that kept him safe for so long? Will Law be able to meet him?

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                                          Really enjoyed this chapter. Luffy's dialogue with Rebecca had me cracking up.

                                          If Rebecca does stay in hiding after this, aside from the few people who know the truth, everyone is going to assume Luffy permanently kidnapped her / killed her / sold her. As she's a princess, that's going to be a huge deal in the eyes of the government and most people.

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                                            @Razh:

                                            Can't remember if it was revealed. There are several possible explanations. Rebecca revealed it herself, Violet or Lepanto revealed it to save her life in a dangerous situation, Dofla discovered it by other means… Like he recognized her fighting style (he might have been observing Dressrosa for a long time) and put two and two together, bribed people, employed spies, compared her picture to Scarlett's picture...

                                            Good question. Now that I think about it, when he tried to recruit Kyros, Doffy said that he would spare his family even though they are from the Riku clan. How did he guess that Scarlett faked her death ?
                                            Perhaps Monet learnt it as she worked at the palace :wassat:

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                                              By the way, I might have missed this in the manga or it has been discussed before, but it has been bugging me for a long time. Was it ever explained how everyone knew Rebecca was king Riku's granddaughter? Her mother "died" to the eyes of the public and she clearly wasn't Violet's daughter.

                                              Doflamingo was already aware of Rebecca's royal lineage when he conquered Dressrosa. He tells Kyros as much in the palace, when he says he's sent men to kill his wife and kid. We see that they escape this and make it to the Flower Field, but eventually Diamante finds Scarlett. I got the impression that Kyros successfully hid Rebecca for a long time; Doflamingo must have kept a casual search active for that time. Eventually, with Kyros gaining wanted status, Rebecca is caught. Rather than killing her, Doflamingo made her lineage public knowledge and imprisoned her in the Colosseum, leaving her to be a living reminder of the country's anger at Riku (this serves as a constant reminder for the people of their gratitude for Doflamingo). As for what people thought of Rebecca's parents, they likely made the connection that she was Scarlett's daughter, but knew nothing of her father. That's why last chapter they buy into the prince-from-a-far-off-land rumor, because they see that as a long overdue explanation of Rebecca's parentage (note how they're relieved the royal blood is preserved through a prince being a father… in typical mass-of-people fashion, I'm sure they had many wild guesses about who her father was, including him just being some non-royal ruffian.)

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                                                Theres nothing wrong with people having a problem with this chapter. And no, saying that it was logical for this chapter to happen doesnt excuse it. Because we didnt approve the things that came before this chapter either.

                                                Also, trying to say that if people dislike this chapter would have loved the chapter if it had fighting in it is ridiculous as well. You know damn well thats a lie. See chapter 793 for example.

                                                Rebecca sucks. She hasnt grown. And on top of that, most people dont want to see her crying anymore. And hopefully after this chapter, we wont have to endure her worthless existence.

                                                Curious to see any Law and Sengoku talk. And maybe even see Doflamingos face soon.

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                                                  Theres nothing wrong with people having a problem with this chapter. And no, saying that it was logical for this chapter to happen doesnt excuse it. Because we didnt approve the things that came before this chapter either.

                                                  Also, trying to say that if people dislike this chapter would have loved the chapter if it had fighting in it is ridiculous as well. You know damn well thats a lie. See chapter 793 for example.

                                                  Rebecca sucks. She hasnt grown. And on top of that, most people dont want to see her crying anymore. And hopefully after this chapter, we wont have to endure her worthless existence.

                                                  Curious to see any Law and Sengoku talk. And maybe even see Doflamingos face soon.

                                                  There's difference between saying it is bad or shitty and saying that one doesn't like it. (Many people here did the former one). I didn't enjoy this chapter much, either. But I will still say that this chapter is not bad story-wise and was necessary. The only thing I could really complain about is that it was after 2 weeks break.

                                                  Even though the former things involving Rebecca were bad, she still deserved a proper conclusion and as a conclusion this wasn't really bad, imo.

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                                                    There was nothing emotional about it. To me and many others it felt forced. Oda literally came up with this stuff in the last chapter.

                                                    It was well written and set up.
                                                    Doesn't mean you have to like it but it wasn't badly written.

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                                                      but these moments used to be incredible and memorable (Vivi's farewell, Luffy's shadow in the sky for Cricket, Robin's delivrance/Merry's funerals). This was just bland and emotionless, so was the whole subplot involving Rebecca/Kyros.

                                                      You're pretty much oversimplifying the ending of those arcs.

                                                      Sure, Vivi's farewell was great… but what about Pell's survival that turned his sacrifice meaningless? Or Mr. 2's completely useless sacrifice (where he manages to escape only to get caught later again)?

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                                                        There's difference between saying it is bad or shitty and saying that one doesn't like it. (Many people here did the former one). I didn't enjoy this chapter much, either. But I will still say that this chapter is not bad story-wise and was necessary. The only thing I could really complain about is that it was after 2 weeks break.

                                                        Even though the former things involving Rebecca were bad, she still deserved a proper conclusion and as a conclusion this wasn't really bad, imo.

                                                        So what if theres a difference. Both can be applied here. Theres nothing wrong with saying this chapter was bad or shitty. It doesnt matter if it was necessary if the previous chapters werent needed either. One could argue it shouldnt have even started to begin with.

                                                        Some people like some things, some people don't. I don't see why this is a problem.

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                                                          Boring…..Luffy; the emo hero. Chalk up another bad arc.

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                                                            Haha boy am I glad Oda is the one writing this story and not some of the people on this forum.

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                                                              I liked this chapter a lot! I never felt much for Rebecca, but I still found this conclusion touching. I don't understand how people can see this as stretching the plot, I think the conclusion chapters are always the best part of the arc.

                                                              I didn't read through the whole thread, but I saw a lot of arguments for and against Rebecca. I don't really find her annoying, but I've come to realise how incredibly bland she is. She is mostly defined through her relationship with Kyros, and Kyros's tragic story is definitely the stronger side of their tale. I haven't paid attention to this before, but now I can't think of a single interesting personality trait that would define Rebecca. Dislikes violence? Seriously, that was mentioned in maybe two instances. Doesn't want to hurt anyone, I guess, but wasn't that mostly because her mother told her so? She has a strong desire to be with her father/the soldier, but is that really a personality trait? I would just describe her as a generic nice girl who was forced to fight. That serves the story ok, but it still doesn't make Rebecca herself very interesting.

                                                              By the way, I might have missed this in the manga or it has been discussed before, but it has been bugging me for a long time. Was it ever explained how everyone knew Rebecca was king Riku's granddaughter? Her mother "died" to the eyes of the public and she clearly wasn't Violet's daughter.

                                                              My opinion on that is it's thanks to Monet. Just like she was spying on Law in punk hazard, she was spying on the Riku on Dressrosa. She discovered the true and gave that piece of information to Dofla. Then Dofla shared it with the population.

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                                                                It was well written and set up.
                                                                Doesn't mean you have to like it but it wasn't badly written.

                                                                It was bad writing, but you can believe otherwise as such is your prerogative. Doesn't matter to me.

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                                                                  798-Viola
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                                                                    There's still the Tontatas.

                                                                    My guess is next chapter is them (and Ucy the cow) leaving the bronze Usopp statue in the Sunny escape boat, while Luffy confronts Fujitora, and Law either confronts Sengoku or Doflamingo, or both.

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                                                                      Super random, but I think this guy from chapter 790, p. 15-16 in the last panel on the bottom right is the father of the three conehead kids who have popped up all over Dressrossa. Here's the guy: http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/790/15

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                                                                        It was bad writing, but you can believe otherwise as such is your prerogative. Doesn't matter to me.

                                                                        Sorry if I missed your explanation, but what about this chapter struck you as bad writing?

                                                                        I, for one, found Kyros' desire to hide his connection to Rebecca and leave her to be completely in line with his self-hatred for past crimes and his strong resolve to leave Rebecca innocent and unblemished. Obviously, this decision was yet another hurdle in reaching the obvious resolution presented in this chapter, but all of it was consistent with character motivation and prior narrative. I feel that this last display of stubbornness by Kyros added all the more catharsis to the moment in this chapter when he finally accepts and forgives himself as worthy of Rebecca's love and companionship.

                                                                        Did all this need to take up two chapters of an already bloated arc? I think that had it taken any less time, the Kyros-Rebecca reconciliation would not have felt as organic. It would've come off as a rushed and sloppy 'yay, we're instantly together at last' ordeal. Instead, we have two fleshed out characters slowly coming to terms with their desires and finally giving in to them.

                                                                        Just my two cents on why I thought this chapter was well-written.

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                                                                          Haha boy am I glad Oda is the one writing this story and not some of the people on this forum.

                                                                          Couldn't agree more

                                                                          People on this board are more concerned with the story week to week, putting way too much emphasis on lone chapters when this is a huge, huge story that can only truly be judged arc-to-arc. Some of you have got to look at the grand scheme of things, and a lot of the complaints I'm seeing here don't take that into account as much as they should.

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                                                                            Boring…..Luffy; the emo hero. Chalk up another bad arc.

                                                                            Took more than a entire day to write all of this dude?
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                                                                            Haha boy am I glad Oda is the one writing this story and not some of the people on this forum.

                                                                            No words or image can describe how thankful I am for this post.

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                                                                              Took more than a entire day to write all of this dude?

                                                                              It took me more of an entire day to get over an arc with overly hyped villains which did not live up to the glory, terribly written fights; which were interrupted, off-paneled and unappealing. Cliche conflicts…...Law's revenge, a kingdom being subdued by villain, oh, lol Rebecca, Bwahahwhahwhha I DONTZ CAREZ IF YOUZ KILLEDZ, DAT WAS DA PAST, U R STILLZ MY FATHERZ CUM BACKD TO ME...BWAHAWAWA [cue the overly forced Oda crybaby face]. How about having an admiral here just for eye candy? His talk of righteousness yet he stands here and laughs, but wait we clean it up with gambling right? The dice decides who stops the evil? How did you forget how lame doflamingos fight was with Luffy, champion and sabo OFF-PANELED while luffy was being saved by citizens? How disappointing was the executives, being under a shichibukai you are supposed to be worth something? Zoro took a break from shounen jump. Oda is not serious, his arcs are becoming more and more melodramatic, he is forcing you to sniffle. His arcs recently have been terribly written.

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                                                                                It took me more of an entire day to get over an arc with overly hyped villains which did not live up to the glory, terribly written fights; which were interrupted, off-paneled and unappealing. Cliche conflicts…...Law's revenge, a kingdom being subdued by villain, oh, lol Rebecca, Bwahahwhahwhha I DONTZ CAREZ IF YOUZ KILLEDZ, DAT WAS DA PAST, U R STILLZ MY FATHERZ CUM BACKD TO ME...BWAHAWAWA [cue the overly forced Oda crybaby face]. How about having an admiral here just for eye candy? His talk of righteousness yet he stands here and laughs, but wait we clean it up with gambling right? The dice decides who stops the evil? How did you forget how lame doflamingos fight was with Luffy, champion and sabo OFF-PANELED while luffy was being saved by citizens? How disappointing was the executives, being under a shichibukai you are supposed to be worth something? Zoro took a break from shounen jump. Oda is not serious, his arcs are becoming more and more melodramatic, he is forcing you to sniffle. His arcs recently have been terribly written.

                                                                                Are you SURE you like One Piece?

                                                                                Like, for instance, the emphasis on emotional scenes and the "crybaby face" have been things in this series since day one.

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                                                                                  It took me more of an entire day to get over an arc with overly hyped villains which did not live up to the glory, terribly written fights; which were interrupted, off-paneled and unappealing. Cliche conflicts…...Law's revenge, a kingdom being subdued by villain, oh, lol Rebecca, Bwahahwhahwhha I DONTZ CAREZ IF YOUZ KILLEDZ, DAT WAS DA PAST, U R STILLZ MY FATHERZ CUM BACKD TO ME...BWAHAWAWA [cue the overly forced Oda crybaby face]. How about having an admiral here just for eye candy? His talk of righteousness yet he stands here and laughs, but wait we clean it up with gambling right? The dice decides who stops the evil? How did you forget how lame doflamingos fight was with Luffy, champion and sabo OFF-PANELED while luffy was being saved by citizens? How disappointing was the executives, being under a shichibukai you are supposed to be worth something? Zoro took a break from shounen jump. Oda is not serious, his arcs are becoming more and more melodramatic, he is forcing you to sniffle. His arcs recently have been terribly written.

                                                                                  the choreography of Luffy/Law vs Doflamingo was brilliant.

                                                                                  Everyone forgets about that badass panel when Doffy shot Law in the street. That was spine tinglingly brutal

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                                                                                    Couldn't agree more

                                                                                    People on this board are more concerned with the story week to week, putting way too much emphasis on lone chapters when this is a huge, huge story that can only truly be judged arc-to-arc. Some of you have got to look at the grand scheme of things, and a lot of the complaints I'm seeing here don't take that into account as much as they should.

                                                                                    Agreed.

                                                                                    Regarding the next couple of chapters, I'm really looking forward to Law's interaction with Sengoku, if that's where he's actually disappeared to.

                                                                                    Also, I was reading the latest english One Piece volume, and was reminded the first Jinbei cover story is titled "Onward to My Friends". This is before he got distracted with the Sea Cats & Poneglyph. He later read the newspaper article involving Doflamingo and the Luffy / Law alliance. I know I'm not solitary in this belief, but I think he might show up on Dressrosa and help Luffy & Co escape.

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                                                                                      It took me more of an entire day to get over an arc with overly hyped villains which did not live up to the glory, terribly written fights; which were interrupted, off-paneled and unappealing. Cliche conflicts…...Law's revenge, a kingdom being subdued by villain, oh, lol Rebecca, Bwahahwhahwhha I DONTZ CAREZ IF YOUZ KILLEDZ, DAT WAS DA PAST, U R STILLZ MY FATHERZ CUM BACKD TO ME...BWAHAWAWA [cue the overly forced Oda crybaby face]. How about having an admiral here just for eye candy? His talk of righteousness yet he stands here and laughs, but wait we clean it up with gambling right? The dice decides who stops the evil? How did you forget how lame doflamingos fight was with Luffy, champion and sabo OFF-PANELED while luffy was being saved by citizens? How disappointing was the executives, being under a shichibukai you are supposed to be worth something? Zoro took a break from shounen jump. Oda is not serious, his arcs are becoming more and more melodramatic, he is forcing you to sniffle. His arcs recently have been terribly written.

                                                                                      Let's take this one at a time, because I question many of these.

                                                                                      As for overhyped villains, the only one I can say was hyped is Doflamingo. He was revealed way back in the series, and was shown to be enjoying himself fighting in the war. He took on a number of gear 4 attacks and only finally gotten taken out by the King Kong Gun. He took down Law and pushed Luffy to his limits, I see that as living up to the hype. Some feel that he should've done more, but I've gone more than enough times into detail how his placement in the story line show that this was the best we could hope for. The executives were not that hyped in the end. We had Viola talk about the executives and we knew Pica, Diamante, and Trebol were higher up and personally knew Doflamingos bad side. If anything, it was quite obvious after the flashback that most of these characters were not in their prime anymore, seeing Machvise and Senor Pink having packed on a lot of weight, and the only one that became more useful was Dellinger, because Baby's can't do anything.

                                                                                      The fights will come down to subjective opinion, but I'm confused by what you mean off paneled. Yes, we got glimpses of various fights at different points and only got the ending of each fight. However, all the fighters were shown to be taken out by their respective opponent. Personally, I liked how it was done just because it was something a bit different and it was cool to see the ending parts. Only two I was overall disappointed with was Dellinger, who was there for Hakuba hype, and Trebol, to allow Law to have one victory in the arc.

                                                                                      Cliché does not equal bad, because at this point with so much being produced everything is considered cliché by someone. Laws revenge story was interesting especially with how it changed perspective on his character. A guy we thought was cold and calculating was a guy who was just planning revenge all these years. He could've been brooding all the time, but he kept showing his cool instead but once Doflamingo was in reach we saw his true colors. For the story, this is the first kingdom subdued by a villain being overthrown. Wapol left and tried to reclaim his land, Crocodile was trying to take over a kingdom and failed, but Doflamingo in one night took back his kingdom and controlled these people unknowingly for 10 years. Not going into the Rebecca stuff, cause this forum is entrenched in their sides and nothing I can really say their.

                                                                                      Ah Fujitora, the character where it was obvious what his intentions were but complaints kept going and continue today still. Fujitora stated early on that he would not intervene with Doflamingo, as he was the "rightful" ruler and still part of the system. He stated he wanted to abolish the Shikibukai system, which his move a few chapter ago showed how he wanted to get it done. As a gambler, he is willing to take risks and allow the Marines to look incompetent. Allow a well known pirate to take down the most influential Shikibukai, and make it look like the Admiral and all other marines were at fault. Also, we had those "filler" panels show that Fujitora was going around to help the citizens, and he was not just sitting around. Just because he sat with the king for a little bit doesn't mean he was sitting around the whole time. His motivations were explained early on, and now moving in on the alliance because that's what he needs to do now. You can think he was a dick for gambling peoples lives, but everything he has done is consistent. And before I get anyone claiming otherwise, asking for the citizen count was not to show he was concerned for everyone. This was more to weigh his gamble and most likely use numbers in his report for abolishing the Shikibukai. Also, his gambling at the end is another facet of his character, where he's weighing two sides of a character and allow luck to determine their fates.

                                                                                      Burgess and Sabo being off paneled is to save showing their abilities for later. The main thing we needed to see was that Sabo was above Burgess, and learning about how Sabo personally feels about the crew. I understand dislike about how Black Beards crew has been shown once again, but there wasn't any need to have that fight fleshed out. Doflamingo was the main antagonist and the citizens, dwarves, and Riku clan were the victims. That's why more time was devoted to their struggles. I'll admit the chapter where Luffy got back up was way too overdramatic for him becoming the hero, but seeing the citizens actually rally to help was nice and different were they don't do anything.

                                                                                      As stated above, the executives got soft being in luxury for so long. Before they got Dressrosa, they were always fighting for loot and for survival. In Dressrosa with Doflamingo as a Shikibukai, they had no worries and could go on as they please. Also, only Crocodile be said to have a "crew" that showed any worth, and even that doesn't work since they weren't a crew and were bounty hunters unknowingly working for him. Mihawk has no crew, and Moriah's three generals in the end don't amount to a whole lot. Most people assume they are completely worthless because they didn't fight against the regular straw hats to get a sense of strength. I think they were overall competent, but years of luxury and in stasis didn't help them. Not sure what you mean by Zoro, but at this time it seems either you like him or hate him.

                                                                                      You don't like this arc, that's perfectly fine. However, a number of the complaints look silly without explanation. Whether positive or negative, opinion doesn't mean much if you can't explain your reasoning behind it.

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                                                                                        It took me more of an entire day to get over an arc with overly hyped villains which did not live up to the glory, terribly written fights; which were interrupted, off-paneled and unappealing. Cliche conflicts…...Law's revenge, a kingdom being subdued by villain, oh, lol Rebecca, Bwahahwhahwhha I DONTZ CAREZ IF YOUZ KILLEDZ, DAT WAS DA PAST, U R STILLZ MY FATHERZ CUM BACKD TO ME...BWAHAWAWA [cue the overly forced Oda crybaby face]. How about having an admiral here just for eye candy? His talk of righteousness yet he stands here and laughs, but wait we clean it up with gambling right? The dice decides who stops the evil? How did you forget how lame doflamingos fight was with Luffy, champion and sabo OFF-PANELED while luffy was being saved by citizens? How disappointing was the executives, being under a shichibukai you are supposed to be worth something? Zoro took a break from shounen jump. Oda is not serious, his arcs are becoming more and more melodramatic, he is forcing you to sniffle. His arcs recently have been terribly written.

                                                                                        Talk about a flanderized description of Dressrosa.

                                                                                        We get it. You don't like emotions, only fights. You've already stated this several times through the countless "this is a Shounen, the fights are the most important thing", "only a big climactic fight can save this arc now" and "don't mess this fight, Oda".

                                                                                        And the weird thing is that you're aware that the melodrama has always been a big part of One Piece, so it's kinda surprising to see that you're still going. With you, it's always "it's time to move on", as if the next arc will change stuff to the way you like it.

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                                                                                          the choreography of Luffy/Law vs Doflamingo was brilliant.

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                                                                                            I still don't really give a rats ass about Rebecca, but I guess this is a good "ending" for her.

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                                                                                              I was looking on the net and I just saw this. is it not Rebbeca, buying Luffy, food? 👅

                                                                                              Looks like another of Ussop's lies came into reality! :ninja:

                                                                                              I see, I comprehend, I learn! ![](images/smilies/ipb/ninja.png "Ninja")

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                                                                                                It took me more of an entire day to get over an arc with overly hyped villains which did not live up to the glory, terribly written fights; which were interrupted, off-paneled and unappealing. Cliche conflicts…...Law's revenge, a kingdom being subdued by villain, oh, lol Rebecca, Bwahahwhahwhha I DONTZ CAREZ IF YOUZ KILLEDZ, DAT WAS DA PAST, U R STILLZ MY FATHERZ CUM BACKD TO ME...BWAHAWAWA [cue the overly forced Oda crybaby face]. How about having an admiral here just for eye candy? His talk of righteousness yet he stands here and laughs, but wait we clean it up with gambling right? The dice decides who stops the evil? How did you forget how lame doflamingos fight was with Luffy, champion and sabo OFF-PANELED while luffy was being saved by citizens? How disappointing was the executives, being under a shichibukai you are supposed to be worth something? Zoro took a break from shounen jump. Oda is not serious, his arcs are becoming more and more melodramatic, he is forcing you to sniffle. His arcs recently have been terribly written.

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                                                                                                  It took me more of an entire day to get over an arc with overly hyped villains which did not live up to the glory, terribly written fights; which were interrupted, off-paneled and unappealing.

                                                                                                  I can understand not appreciating the fight since it is personal taste…but how were they overly hype villains? Except Doffly who took who took a crazy lot to beat.

                                                                                                  Cliche conflicts…...Law's revenge, a kingdom being subdued by villain,

                                                                                                  Well that manga ru on cliché under normal circumstances but this time it was also suppose to rmind us of Alabasta.

                                                                                                  How about having an admiral here just for eye candy?

                                                                                                  I could deal with him not being here. However he was there to show us his philosophy,his goals, how far he is willing to go… Also he seems to be the new hunter of strawhats.

                                                                                                  His talk of righteousness yet he stands here and laughs, but wait we clean it up with gambling right?

                                                                                                  Does he laugh? I always got the impression he keep the same face no matter what. Anyway he saved people from the golem, organized the marine to protect, and we even see him participating.

                                                                                                  Sad day when I have to defend Fuji.

                                                                                                  The dice decides who stops the evil?

                                                                                                  Nope. He decided to make a pirate the hero.

                                                                                                  How did you forget how lame doflamingos fight was with Luffy,

                                                                                                  Depends on taste

                                                                                                  champion and sabo OFF-PANELED while luffy was being saved by citizens?

                                                                                                  Not important enough to be showed. They will show what they can do later.

                                                                                                  How disappointing was the executives, being under a shichibukai you are supposed to be worth something?

                                                                                                  They are simply weaker than what you expected. I doubt they are any less than Handcok's sisters or the baroque work.
                                                                                                  I didn't find fishmen, Granpa and Boom Boom disapointing. Didn't care much about heavy guy (and made the greatest punch of one piece a reality).

                                                                                                  His arcs recently have been terribly written.

                                                                                                  I wouldn't call Dressrosa terrible but for sure it's too big.

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                                                                                                    Honestly I felt the drama in this arc was exagerated and as such none of it especially touched me. So yes there was always drama in One Piece but that does not defend the fact that it was poorly done in this arc especially when we knows the author is good at it.
                                                                                                    And what is the point of fleshing characters if we don’t see any sign of growth. This is the longest arc of an already very long serie. Fleshing just for fleshing seems rather a lost of time for me. And the numerous complaints just show that Oda didn’t succeed in making Rebecca a character which can unanimously be considered a good one. And even if that is not the case for you, you cannot deny that fact.

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                                                                                                      the choreography of Luffy/Law vs Doflamingo was brilliant.

                                                                                                      At times. I couldn't call it brilliant with a straight face when it contains Dofla being overly static and reacting poorly and Trebol being shitty in general.

                                                                                                      Smoker vs Vergo, that's what I could call brilliant. Awesome exchange, not a single wasted movement.

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                                                                                                        Chapter 797 by Powermanga.

                                                                                                        One Pace - The One Piece anime without the filler and padding.

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