Can we all just redirect our Rebecca hate towards the Dressrosans'?
Chapter 797: Rebecca
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Why do people think Law's disappeared?
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! He's still running with the crew unless I missed something? -
Well, I wanted to share my thoughts about Rebecca. Rebecca’s life turned upside down at the age of six. From then on, every citizen at every nook and cranny in Dressrosa has begun baring his fangs at her because of the misguided notion that her grandfather was the cause of their suffering and casualties ‘that night’.
Normally, when a person finds herself in that kind of situation, she will eventually develop retaliative behavior in order to vent her exasperation, frustration, and so forth. However, Rebecca is different in this aspect. She is a naturally kind person and, on top of that, she made a promise to her deceased mother to never ever harm anyone. Being faithful to her mother’s wishes and her kind nature, she vents those poisonous emotions through crying.
In this week’s chapter, she has abdicated the kingly throne, which is notably enviable by a profusion of people; embraced her father’s past crimes and sins without a second thought; and decided to live with him regardless of public opinion. She really has a beautifully tender nature. No wonder Oda-sensei made her story a central focus of this arc.
I want to talk about Barto. Barto has a lot of cool, funny reactions, which appeal a lot to the readers - reactions among which is the distorted vision of Tsuru and Sengoku, and the teary fright that surfaced at the sight of Fujitora’s coming. He will make a decent addition to Luffy‘s crew. He has a lot of funny, behavioral traits, too – just what you would expect from another Straw Hat.
I would like to see his faith in Luffy challenged when Luffy starts experiencing ephemeral moments of defeat at the hands of an overwhelmingly strong opponent(Kaido?). I want to see the depth of such faith. Will it waver, or will it stand firm until the end? I am really curious about this answer.
Bellamy goes without saying. I love that guy. He was loyal until the end. He reminds me of Squardo, whose faith in his father easily crumbled when the marines hoodwinked him by an intellectual sleight of hand, causing him to stab him(Whitebeard). In such cases, Bellamy’s faith does not waver. I like people like him.
Furthermore, his membership of the Straw Hats will also symbolize the absolution of past mistakes. For such reasons, I will be glad to see him as one of the Straw Hats. -
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Why do people think Law's disappeared?
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! He's still running with the crew unless I missed something?he disappeard shortly after that
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he disappeard shortly after that
Ah yeah, seems I did miss that at the end.
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I'm still hoping that Kyros will join the crew and Franky will make a robotic leg for him but now that Rebecca don't want to leave his father, I see a plot twist. Damn Luffy…
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Well, I wanted to share my thoughts about Rebecca. Rebecca’s life turned upside down at the age of six. From then on, every citizen at every nook and cranny in Dressrosa has begun bearing his fangs at her because of the misguided notion that her grandfather was the cause of their suffering and casualties ‘that night’.
Normally, when a person finds herself in that kind of situation, she will eventually develop retaliative behavior in order to vent her exasperation, frustration, and so forth. However, Rebecca is different in this aspect. She is a naturally kind person and, on top of that, she made a promise to her deceased mother to never ever harm anyone. Being faithful to her mother’s wishes and her kind nature, she vents those poisonous emotions through crying.
In this week’s chapter, she has abdicated the kingly throne, which is notably enviable by a profusion of people; embraced her father’s past crimes and sins without a second thought; and decided to live with him regardless of public opinion. She really has a beautifully tender nature. No wonder Oda-sensei made her story a central focus of this arc.
I want to talk about Barto. Barto has a lot of cool, funny reactions, which appeal a lot to the readers - reactions among which is the distorted vision of Tsuru and Sengoku, and the teary fright that surfaced at the sight of Fujitora’s coming. He will make a decent addition to Luffy‘s crew. He has a lot of funny, behavioral traits, too – just what you would expect from another Straw Hat.
I would like to see his faith in Luffy challenged when Luffy starts experiencing ephemeral moments of defeat at the hands of an overwhelmingly strong opponent(Kaido?). I want to see the depth of such faith. Will it waver, or will it stand firm until the end? I am really curious about this answer.
Bellamy goes without saying. I love that guy. He was loyal until the end. He reminds me of Squardo, whose faith in his father easily crumbled when the marines hoodwinked him by an intellectual sleight of hand, causing him to stab him(Whitebeard). In such cases, Bellamy’s faith does not waver. I like people like him.
Furthermore, his membership of the Straw Hats will also symbolize the absolution of past mistakes. For such reasons, I will be glad to see him as one of the Straw Hats.What about Kin'emon? :P I know I know, not another swordsman right? But look at this this will blow your mind:
Wind - Three swords - Zoro
Ice - One sword - Brook
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OOOOHHHHHHH all good then :)
Why I oughta!
That's correct, right? I did good?
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Nah but that's good, give in to the stoogeness that's hidden inside you^^
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I think the reunion was well handled in the chapter.
I've long stop considering Fuji as a threatening force. So whenever I see him trying to be I can only smile at how funny it is.
I'm really intrigued by Law's disappearance. I hope he is going to Dofla rather than Sengoku.
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You know, as horrible a character as Rebecca has been and as bland as I find Kyros, I did actually feel happy for them in their reunion this chapter. Yeah, given the flashback with Scarlet, it was a very predictable outcome but after all they've been through it was nice to finally get this closure.
I also kind of like that Luffy and co are being seen off as villains due to this misunderstanding since they are pirates after all, but it makes the citizens of Dressrosa look like unbelievable jerks.
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pirates after all, but it makes the citizens of Dressrosa look like unbelievable jerks.
FFS, why does everyone keep saying that!? They still have many reasons to distrust a pirate who just happens to have "saved" their country. It's actually a very healthy reaction.
“As I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize there’s a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!” – David Scott, Moon
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FFS, why does everyone keep saying that!? They still have many reasons to distrust a pirate who just happens to have "saved" their country. It's actually a very healthy reaction.
They shouldn't have made him a "hero" before either, then.
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What about Kin'emon? :P I know I know, not another swordsman right? But look at this this will blow your mind:
Wind - Three swords - Zoro
Ice - One sword - Brook
Fire - Two swords - Kin'emonI love Kinemon, too. He is one of my most favourite characters in One Piece. I would have liked him to be one of the Straw Hats, if it hadn’t been for the fact that he is a ‘father'. It sets influentially a ‘bad example’ about how ‘parenting’ should be. Imagine a father leaving his 8-year-old son behind and going on an adventure. That is wrong on many levels. However, I believe he will be with us, at least, during two arcs(if not more): Zou and Wa no Kuni.:happy: So that should compensate.
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I see the marines were as useless as ever. At this point, have no idea why anyone ever bother to run from them.
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What was it with the marines going down without losing consciousness?
maybe it was Fujitora?
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Imagine a father leaving his 8-year-old son behind and going on an adventure.
Luffy and Usopp could relate to that.
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They shouldn't have made him a "hero" before either, then.
People learn from their mistakes. They made a mistake trusting Doflamingo.
After Luffy saved them. They again trusted the Pirate who saved them.
Luffy, unintentionally made them realize how foolish they are being, falling for the same thing again.
Pretty natural reaction to be honest. Although, I would have preferred a couple of them trying to defend Luffy like Gatz.I love Kinemon, too. He is one of my most favourite characters in One Piece. I would have liked him to be one of the Straw Hats, if it hadn’t been for the fact that he is a ‘father'. It sets influentially a ‘bad example’ about how ‘parenting’ should be. Imagine a father leaving his 8-year-old son behind and going on an adventure. That is wrong on many levels. However, I believe he will be with us, at least, during two arcs(if not more): Zou and Wa no Kuni.:happy: So that should compensate.
Unless of course, he is not actually Momo's father. He is okay then, right?
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I have a few questions after I read the chapter:
- If wasn't Haoshoku Haki, who stopped the marines? Seems like was the gravity.
- The Law absence? He is going to talk with Sengoku about Rocinante? I don't think that were CP0.
- For sure Luffy is going to face Fujitora
Easy. The blood donations made them dizzy. Masherry was quite clever!
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Man was this chapter really that bad we needed complaints to spill over into other manga threads? Anyway to get back on topic…
Yeah not the biggest fan of Rebecca (personal feelings start and end with a big fat MEH) but narrative-wise her side plot with Kyros tied up nicely (another character I'm perfectly apathetic about).
Alright/10
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He wrapped up a plotline in this very chapter.
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Yeah, the way that Oda wrapped up a plotline that's been built up for this entire arc around two of it's main characters was terrible.
Then he had the audacity to set up some kind of confrontation with a navy admiral next chapter.
Yep, no two ways around it.
It was a boring plotline which he could have wrapped up in 8-9 pages.
He already set up that Navy confrontation at the end of last chapter. Barely any progression.
A shit.
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This chapter really wasnt good…
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quite a shitty chapter and it really didn't make any progress(story wise), as if it was a filler chapter:sad:
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quite a shitty chapter and it really didn't make any progress(story wise), as if it was a filler chapter:sad:
It wasn't filler, it did make progress, but it wasn't very good. Not that it was even bad, it just wasn't something most people here cared about. I would have preferred more Yeti Cool Brothers, haha.
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Just like to drop a thought/prediction/assumption what ever.
The stars on the sniper's arms, seem to me to mark them as marine snipers. Maybe it even represents their level of skill in sniping.
This thought I find amusing; if you take Doflamingo's five star "mark" on Usopp as being Oda's foreshadowing Usopp's final skill or maybe its a subtle indication of his current skill. -
Filler is apparently manga sectionese for chapters where major powers don't fight for 18 pages.
It's an interesting, if primitive, language that this people have developed.
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Just because the part of the story you guys don't give a damn about progresses doesn't mean that it is not progressing or needed.
(neither it means that nobody gives a damn like you either)One thing is saying you don't like it, another is saying it is bad story-wise or something.
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It was a boring plotline which he could have wrapped up in 8-9 pages.
He already set up that Navy confrontation at the end of last chapter. Barely any progression.
A shit.
Yeah, whether the plot line is "boring" or not is entirely subjective.
Oda devoted 3/4 of a chapter to wrapping up a plot line that's been a major part of the current arc, he really couldn't have streamlined it much more than that.
Stop confusing chapters that don't cover things you're most interested in as automatically shit.
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It wasn't filler, it did make progress, but it wasn't very good. Not that it was even bad, it just wasn't something most people here cared about. I would have preferred more Yeti Cool Brothers, haha.
It was a side story(Rebecca and Kyros story) and I hope Oda would just get on the main story already and the filler that I was talking about is the useless navy(especially the fodders) pursuing the pirates and it almost took all the chapter just for that.
2 weeks of wait and as if nothing really happened in this chapter
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Sengoku was for Roci what Garp was for Ace…
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The chapter wasn't bad at all. I think people who are complaining didn't like the Kyros/Rebecca story line in the first place. Or do you think it's bad because you wanted Rebecca to join the Straw Hats? Or because it was predictable? Maybe they should be clear about that, instead of just writing "Bad chapter".
Oda needed to wrap their story and this was a very necessary thing to address so they can leave Dressrosa for good.Anyway, about Law, I hope he went after DoFlamingo to either kill him or cut out his heart, so that he has some sort of control over his fate.
He has to get his revenge for what happened to Corazon. -
- If wasn't Haoshoku Haki, who stopped the marines? Seems like was the gravity.
maybe it was the little people too
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Greg in his column made an interesting suggestion for Rebecca and Kyros' arc in general so this seems a good time to share it.
A lot of flashback material this week got me thinking about how flashbacks related to Dressrosa's history are structured at least somewhat 'unique' compared to flashbacks in other arcs.
This time, Dressrosa itself plays almost as much a role as a character as the colorful cast and its history is told in three separate parts, from three separate points of view and all of them are from the same family. Adding an extra layer of complexity, not all of those points of view are entirely accurate while others willfully withhold information. It's like 'LOST' fused with 'Rashomon'.
Here's something interesting you can try on your own; read the flashbacks in reverse order of which they originally appeared. It not only helps to put in perspective just how devastating the effects of Sugar's powers really are, but, despite being in 'reverse', it comes fairly close to telling the full story in chronological order.
Kyros' Flashback: Vol. 74 Chapters 741-742
Riku's Flashback (as told by Kyros): Vol. 73 Chapters 727-728
Rebecca's Flashback: Vol. 72 Chapter 721I went back and reread those chapters, in that order, then reread last week's chapter's and this one. ANd whatever your feelings on Rebeca and Kyros, their overall story is actually really good and pretty touching. Its just thrown off a bit by the structure of the flashback… usually we would have gotten it all at once, in sequence, and a little closer to the resolution.
But their story IS good, and touching, and read close together its pretty effecting. Rebecca's goal from the start has been to live with the Toy Soldier, and Kyros' goal was to keep her safe an happy. Its nice, and critical, that we got some closure on them, especially given that they've been central focal points most of the arc. I don't understand how anyone can call this filler. (But then people called the Sabo flashback three chapters ago filler as well? What?) Especially given that now its pretty clear the placement of Sabo's flashback was specifically to highlight that Luffy knows all about family leaving family for the sake of stupid reasons, o of course he's going to go out of his way to prevent that kind of senseless nonsense.
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Just because the part of the story you guys don't give a damn about progresses doesn't mean that it is not progressing or needed.
(neither it means that nobody gives a damn like you either)One thing is saying you don't like it, another is saying it is bad story-wise or something.
Are you suggesting the deluded notion that a story can be good independent of our personal preferences and engagements to the story???
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When exactly was it established that Rebecca hated being a princess?
"You either die a villain, or live long enough to see yourself become the hero." - Vegeta, Hero Slayer Garou, most MLP villains etc.
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When exactly was it established that Rebecca hated being a princess?
If that means being separated from his father, then she should feel uncomfortable.
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Filler is apparently manga sectionese for chapters where major powers don't fight for 18 pages.
It's an interesting, if primitive, language that this people have developed.
That's stupid. I use manga filler differently.
Manga filler- when a chapter or arc that contributes nothing to the overall story and nothing that really matters to the series as a whole happens. (Example: arguably Skypiea, definitely Foxy arc)
This chapter isn't filler. Just features characters few care about. I'd argue he went the correct route. He had to resolve their arc but he knew they were unpopular. So he did so within a chapter. He did what he had to to give them a proper conclusion but did so in a quick manner. That said, I'm thinking there's still going to be another chapter showing King Riku's announcement, which will probably involve Rebecca and Kyros at minimum being mentioned.
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I love Kinemon, too. He is one of my most favourite characters in One Piece. I would have liked him to be one of the Straw Hats, if it hadn’t been for the fact that he is a ‘father'. It sets influentially a ‘bad example’ about how ‘parenting’ should be. Imagine a father leaving his 8-year-old son behind and going on an adventure. That is wrong on many levels. However, I believe he will be with us, at least, during two arcs(if not more): Zou and Wa no Kuni.:happy: So that should compensate.
Momonosuke for cabin boy! Maybe something like "I am a man now I am an adult i need no father to take care of me" or something will happen that will make momonosuke not be a reason to not join straw hats :P.
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! > Well, I wanted to share my thoughts about Rebecca. Rebecca’s life turned upside down at the age of six. From then on, every citizen at every nook and cranny in Dressrosa has begun bearing his fangs at her because of the misguided notion that her grandfather was the cause of their suffering and casualties ‘that night’.Normally, when a person finds herself in that kind of situation, she will eventually develop retaliative behavior in order to vent her exasperation, frustration, and so forth. However, Rebecca is different in this aspect. She is a naturally kind person and, on top of that, she made a promise to her deceased mother to never ever harm anyone. Being faithful to her mother’s wishes and her kind nature, she vents those poisonous emotions through crying.
In this week’s chapter, she has abdicated the kingly throne, which is notably enviable by a profusion of people; embraced her father’s past crimes and sins without a second thought; and decided to live with him regardless of public opinion. She really has a beautifully tender nature. No wonder Oda-sensei made her story a central focus of this arc.
I want to talk about Barto. Barto has a lot of cool, funny reactions, which appeal a lot to the readers - reactions among which is the distorted vision of Tsuru and Sengoku, and the teary fright that surfaced at the sight of Fujitora’s coming. He will make a decent addition to Luffy‘s crew. He has a lot of funny, behavioral traits, too – just what you would expect from another Straw Hat.
I would like to see his faith in Luffy challenged when Luffy starts experiencing ephemeral moments of defeat at the hands of an overwhelmingly strong opponent(Kaido?). I want to see the depth of such faith. Will it waver, or will it stand firm until the end? I am really curious about this answer.
Bellamy goes without saying. I love that guy. He was loyal until the end. He reminds me of Squardo, whose faith in his father easily crumbled when the marines hoodwinked him by an intellectual sleight of hand, causing him to stab him(Whitebeard). In such cases, Bellamy’s faith does not waver. I like people like him.
Furthermore, his membership of the Straw Hats will also symbolize the absolution of past mistakes. For such reasons, I will be glad to see him as one of the Straw Hats.It's nice to see a good character analysis of Rebecca. People take for granted the extent of the childhood she had to endure. I also find it contradictory how people never get upset or mention how often her father kyros cries. She may just be an emotional person, a trait inherited from kyros.
Apart from that though, I like how you mentioned that her way to excise negative emotions was through tears. I'm sure many can understand the feeling of wanting to hit someone but having to restrain yourself. Emotions need a release and crying is a natural one, unfortunately it's also looked down upon in American society in my opinion.
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Luffy and Usopp could relate to that.
I was completely preoccupied by Kinemon and his bushido that I have completely forgotten about that.
This was a very important mention. I take back what I said about the ‘bad example’ that such act sets. I interpreted it differently. I have overlooked one important thing that results from Usopp's past:
Usopp’s past was created like that so as to teach children who do not have their fathers around to become strong and not give up.Unless of course, he is not actually Momo's father. He is okay then, right?
Responsibility should be shouldered by both biological and foster parents. A parent who uses blood relation as an excuse to escape from his/her responsibility is a no-good parent.
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FFS, why does everyone keep saying that!? They still have many reasons to distrust a pirate who just happens to have "saved" their country. It's actually a very healthy reaction.
Dressrosans have been made out in-story to be fickle as all hell. Riku and Elizabello just had a talk about it, and Doflamingos corruption of the countrys people was a plot point in the earlier part of the arc. So its in-character for them to be flip-flopping.
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If that means being separated from his father, then she should feel uncomfortable.
He had no problems with hanging around the palace and banging the princess
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Something I'd like to see is a powerful female Samurai of Wano that is strong enough to give Zoro his first challenge since the timeskip. That'd be really cool. Make her a "strong" type like Zoro as well. A tough as nails yet somehow beautiful and attractive Samurai woman who can go toe to toe with Zoro. Alas, doesn't sound like Oda's style. It'd make up for characters like Rebecca though.
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Are you suggesting the deluded notion that a story can be good independent of our personal preferences and engagements to the story???
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Maybe Law is having a chat with sengoku?
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Something I'd like to see is a powerful female Samurai of Wano that is strong enough to give Zoro his first challenge since the timeskip. That'd be really cool. Make her a "strong" type like Zoro as well. A tough as nails yet somehow beautiful and attractive Samurai woman who can go toe to toe with Zoro. Alas, doesn't sound like Oda's style. It'd make up for characters like Rebecca though.
Its so unlikely, Wano is a traditional Japanese country. The womans must go three steps behind the men. They aren't able to be samurais. Its a shame, I want to see Zoro face a swordwoman as equals. Tashigi is always weaker than Zoro.
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That's stupid. I use manga filler differently.
Manga filler- when a chapter or arc that contributes nothing to the overall story and nothing that really matters to the series as a whole happens. (Example: arguably Skypiea, definitely Foxy arc)
Nope.
If it explores and shows more of the world, without making everyone look like complete idiots or pull the pacing to a crawl, its not filler. Skypeia introduced the sky islands, whcih have come up multiple times, Norland, who has recently come up again, and eventually ENel's quest led him to finding out secrets about the lost history and origin of the D's. Added to that, he's gathered an army and will clearly be back. Add in the introduction of dials which became a permanent part of Usopp's arsenal, a chance for Robin to bond with the crew, the reveal of Merry being alive, Chopper facing his fears of being a warrior on his own left behind, and just in general being a fun adventure? Plus all the Jaya stuff prior to it has come back into play with Bellamy and Dofla.
Foxy wasn't filler either. Emotionally, it was a breather from the tenseness of what we'd just been through and what was about to come. But it also started setting up the need for a new boat, a shipright, Usopp's growing feelings of uselessness, and eventually lead to Aokiji. The Davy Back fight itself is almost certainly going to come up again, and Foxy has suspiciously been one of the few figures we haven't heard from since.
The one chapter Gaimon story could be filler, since Zoro slept through it and the anime was able to move it around to add Usopp, but it was still colorful and fun and showed off a few things about Luffy… and I still figure it'll come around again eventually in some form. (And we have at least seen Gaimon in cover story form twice.)
What about the sea train between Water 7 and Enies Lobby? That was a dozen chapters of Sanji fighting mooks that made no difference at all on the actual Enies Lobby conflict, it could have been skipped by having everyone on the other train with no real difference in the story. Heck, ENies Lobby could have been cut down to just Lucchi as the only member of CP9 and just had Luffy fighting him.. since everyone else fighting the other members didn't make much overall difference. Sanji even wasted time fighting Califa just to lose, and Usopp fought Jabura to lose... or when Usopp was tied to Zoro's arm! Hiarious, but overall "filler".
Was Amazon Lilly filler? Was Impel Down? The War? That all could have easily not involved Luffy and just happened off to the side, mentioned only in stories, seen in brief. It didn't involve the crew after all. It didn't further Luffy's journey, or get any new crewmates, and Impel Down was a complete waste since Luffy could have hung out at the entrance and been just as ineffective. Oh, but it freed Crocodile, Ivanokov and Jinbe, and led to the training timeskip, etc. etc.
Was the strawhats saying goodbye to Vivi filler? Its an extremely similar situation to this one, but no one is going to call that filler. Why not? Because Vivi was with the crew a lot? So was Rebecca.
None of those things were filler. One Piece is bigger and more grand than JUST the Marine and Warlord subplot. Its easy to see the attitude that developed around SKy[eia at the time given all the new elements of the world that had been just introduced prior to that arc starting, and just how long it was in comparison to the arcs that came before, but it's been over a decade and really should have settled in by now as part of the overall ride in terms of scope and context.
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"Are you okay with it?"
This is why I love Luffy, the way he does things like this.
Reading people's hearts and getting straight to the point.Like when he gave Nami his hat, set Vivi straight while out in the desert,
and told Robin to declare her will to live.
