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    • Ubiq
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      I don't see what good opening investigations will do after the election.

      Pandering to the base and wasting time to prevent Democrats from advancing any kind of agenda. They'd rather let everything go to pieces around them in the hopes of expanding their majorities in 2018 and beating her in 2020 than risk sharing any credit with her on anything; that's been the case with Obama since the 2010 midterms. Conservatives are already arguing that the Supreme Court doesn't really need nine members to operate, which is a notion that'll vanish the instant a Republican President gets a chance to put people on the Court.

      Complicating things since 2009.

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        @MonkeyKing: I think our discussions in both threads have run their course.
        I'm probably not going to make you see completely where I'm coming from and I do understand your point well enough, I think. Thanks for the discussion though!

        We should probably have Politics discussion thread or something. Now that would be fun 😄

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          @MonkeyKing: I think our discussions in both threads have run their course.
          I'm probably not going to make you see completely where I'm coming from and I do understand your point well enough, I think. Thanks for the discussion though!

          We should probably have Politics discussion thread or something. Now that would be fun 😄

          Fun is not the word i would use to describe it.

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            I was thinking "tedious hellscape" personally

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              A quadrennial election thread is bad enough. The News Thread is usually focused on politics anyways.

              Spoiler:

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                Anthony Weiner should have moved to Florida and joined the GOP. Definitive proof he is white and has a penis, sex scandals involving underage girls. It's like we had a puzzle piece for the wrong puzzle.

                For a Republican they would have to be underage boys.

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                  For a Republican they would have to be underage boys.

                  I thought that was Catholic priests

                  Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.

                  Statler: No you haven't.

                  Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!

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                    I thought that was Catholic priests

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                      Fun is not the word i would use to describe it.

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                      I was thinking "tedious hellscape" personally

                      I'd usually say debates (about politics) are good in order to develop new ideas/views or simply to train debating…but on the internet I agree, probably not a good idea.
                      Though apparently the religion and LGBT threads are still faring quite well.

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                        You just have to make sure to have "be F*cking nice about it" in the title to make it work.

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                          Some Donald Trump voters warn of "Revolutionary War" if Hillary Clinton wins

                          “People are going to march on the capitols,” said Mr. Halbrook, who works at a call center. “They’re going to do whatever needs to be done to get her out of office, because she does not belong there.”

                          “If push comes to shove,” he added, andMrs. Clinton “has to go by any means necessary, it will be done.”

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                          Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?

                          Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.

                          Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.

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                            Well I hope the cops greet them like they do BLM people

                            But honestly I think people are gonna get out there and realize that Hillary Clinton isn't worth dying over

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                              While the Onion and similar sits are always funny…. I do remember -now- an article that piece is based on. Thanks for jarring the memory. I'd forgotten that tidbit about the RNC.

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                                Well I hope the cops greet them like they do BLM people

                                But honestly I think people are gonna get out there and realize that Hillary Clinton isn't worth dying over

                                But we'll most likely get an Oregon Militia reaction

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                                A magical strange Twilight Zone episode where no other education is offered, and the only option is Bill Nye the Science Guy videos

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                                  Racists are already calling for a war on black people even if Trimp isn't elected. Not surprised.

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                                    I recently came across this article about that's like a psychoanalysis of Trump, and it's a very interesting read if you have the time.

                                    Article is copied and pasted below for convenience.

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                                    In 1983, Donald Trump bought one of the teams in the new United States Football League, with grand plans of making himself the center of sports — the center of everything — in New York. He would build Trumpdome for his New York Generals to play in. He would then use his team as leverage to merge into the far more lucrative NFL.

                                    By 1984, when his plan didn’t work, he came up with another one — sue the NFL for $1.3 billion instead, claiming antitrust violations. Technically, he won the suit — but the jury award totaled $3.76 in the end. (No, that is not a typo.) To Trump, however, this was a huge victory.

                                    “After taxes, I would say I lost $3 million,” he said at the time, but “I got a billion dollars of free publicity.”

                                    That begs the question, How does Donald Trump lose?

                                    The answer, apparently, is that he never does. At least not in his own mind. To review his life and talk to people who have watched him for decades is to realize that he has never once seen himself as anything but the victor. And that realization both explains much of his 18-month campaign for the White House and gives hints as to what might happen should he lose on November 8.

                                    “He’s never imagined to himself or conceded to himself that he’s lost anything ever,” says Harry Hurt III, author of “The Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump” — a title Hurt says Trump reportedly “can’t stand because it implies he’s a loser.”

                                    In a series of conversations, more than one of Trump’s biographers noted that he regularly calls others what he fears himself to be — the obese man calling women fat; the man who works hard to hide his balding scalp insulting women who aren’t a 10; the candidate who visibly tires near the end of long debates calling other candidates “low energy”; the man who is on tape describing his own lewd behavior toward women saying it’s his opponent’s husband who is a “sexual predator”; the businessman who makes questionable use of his private foundation and the U.S. tax code, then calls his opponent “crooked” for months and then says she’s the one who’s been “nasty.”

                                    But “loser” is the jab he uses most. “His deepest insult is to call someone a loser, his deepest fear is him being regarded as a loser, because deep down he knows that he himself is a loser,” Hurt says.

                                    Gwenda Blair, author of “Trump: Three Generations of Builders and a Presidential Candidate,” agrees. “It’s elementary psychology,” she says. “If you are that outspoken about it, it’s a source of your own anxiety.”

                                    “Never lose” was a lesson learned early, and like most things about Trump’s life, its roots can be found with his father. Fred Trump was a successful builder in Brooklyn, who regularly exaggerated how successful he was, and regularly told his five children that they would also make it in a cutthroat world because “you are a killer, you are a king.” The family’s religious leader was Norman Vincent Peale, who preached: “Formulate and stamp indelibly on your mind a mental picture of yourself as succeeding. Hold this picture tenaciously. Never permit it to fade.”

                                    At first, the heir apparent to Fred Trump’s business was his older son, Fred Jr., known as Freddy, who, as it happened, was neither “killer” nor “king,” but rather a gentle, awkward young man, whose mistakes brought tongue-lashings from his father. Donald watched and learned. “I saw people really taking advantage of Fred, and the lesson I learned was always to keep up my guard 100 percent,” he would say in a Playboy interview years later.

                                    So it was Donald, the winner, who eventually took over the Trump Organization. Freddy, the loser, would become an airline pilot and eventually die of complications related to alcoholism.

                                    Throughout the campaign, and earlier still in a number of biographies, Trump has been repeatedly referred to as a narcissist. Indeed, a pathological fear of losing is one symptom of narcissistic personality disorder, says Dr. Jamie Howard, a clinical psychologist in the Anxiety and Mood Disorders Center of the Child Mind Institute in Manhattan. Other traits include “grandiosity, an inflated perception of one’s own achievements, and a big need for admiration from other people,” she says.

                                    Dr. Howard wants to be clear that she cannot diagnose a disorder from afar, without an assessment of an individual. But there is perhaps no American political figure whose psyche has been so transparently on display as Donald Trump’s. Modern campaigns in particular, with social media removing the filter between candidate and voter, serve as a kind of “MRI for the soul” in the words of longtime Democratic strategist David Axelrod, and so for those who feel they recognize Trump in her description, Howard wants to make clear that narcissists are not pretending to win while knowing they have not, as much as they are not able to see it as failure in the first place.

                                    “This is self-protection,” she says. “Narcissists have a very fragile sense of self. Any small mistake would shatter that, so they can’t really acknowledge that it ever happens because it is a threat to their self-concept.” Self-reflection and introspection are similar threats, so narcissists tend to avoid such things. Their refusal to apologize comes from an inability to see that they’ve done anything wrong.

                                    So when Donald Trump says he showed his brilliance by going bankrupt, or the he respects women more than anyone else ever, or that he has won every presidential debate, it may well be that he really believes this, and should he ever have glimmers of doubt, he is well practiced at banishing them. That would explain, in part, why his Twitter storms declaring his superiority so often come in odd hours of the night, when fears and regrets loom larger for all of us. As he shouts digitally into the darkness, is he aiming to convince his followers, or himself?

                                    Trump has spent a lifetime refusing to lose. Often he does so by moving his own finish line, redefining success midway, says Michael D’Antonio. “He sets a new goal in the middle of the game,” he says. “So if the analogy is running a 10K race, and he saw that someone was making a move and catching up to him, he would stop at 5K and declare that had been his real goal all along.”

                                    His other protective tactic is to declare he did not really lose, because the other side cheated. Hillary Clinton summarized this approach in the third debate, saying:

                                    “Every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is, is rigged against him. The FBI conducted a yearlong investigation into my emails. They concluded there was no case. He said that the FBI was rigged. He lost the Iowa caucus, he lost the Wisconsin primary. He said the Republican primary was rigged against him. Then Trump University gets sued for fraud and racketeering. He claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. There was even a time when he didn’t get an Emmy for his TV program three years in a row and he started tweeting that the Emmys were rigged.”

                                    That was when Trump interrupted. “I should have gotten it,” he said, meaning the Emmy. It was a telling moment. Here he was in front of the last nationwide audience of his campaign, there to prove he was statesmanlike rather than petty, and still he could not resist arguing he’d been cheated out of an Emmy for a reality show.

                                    So, what does this mean for the next time? If he loses? If the vote doesn’t go his way on Election Day, how will he respond to a failure that is more measureable and more public, with denial less possible than at any other point in his lifetime?
                                    If past is prologue, there is little to indicate that he will take time to re-evaluate his life goals.

                                    “This would be a ‘Saul-on-the-road-to-Damascus moment,’ and he is incapable of doing that,” Blair says. “He’s armor-plated, so even if such a thought were to somehow enter his mind he wouldn’t let it stay for long. “He has stamped indelibly on his mind his vision of himself as a winner. I don’t see how that’s ever going to go away. I guess I wish it would, because it’s better for Donald and the rest of us.”

                                    “I think he originally began this whole campaign as a brand-building exercise, and I think no one was more surprised than Donald Trump about how far he got,” Hurt says. “At first, he thought if he just made a decent showing in a primary or two and got some publicity then he could bow out and it would count as a win.”

                                    Then, D’Antonio adds, “he started to win, and I think that for a while, up until the convention, he actually thought he could be president. My guess is that, with the first debate, he realized he couldn’t” and then his finish line began to shift. The real goal would be to start a political movement, D’Antonio theorizes. Then, when “he hired Steve Bannon … the goal became a media empire that would convert fear and rage and paranoia into Trump TV, a profit center for himself, and possibly launch another far-right political party.”

                                    What these biographers don’t believe he will do is either recognize or acknowledge the damage he left in his wake — to the Republican Party, to the state of political discourse, to those he insulted along the way. He has created such damage before without such acknowledgement. Take his lawsuit against the NFL. What Trump saw as a net win because of the publicity was also the death knell for the USFL, which disbanded shortly thereafter.

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                                    Originally Posted by MDL

                                    Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?

                                    Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.

                                    Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.

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                                      @Cyclone_Baroness:

                                      Racists are already calling for a war on black people even if Trimp isn't elected. Not surprised.

                                      Wait… what? Where? Why? Citation?

                                      https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/913949065446850590/964418994973073479/RPReplay_Final1650004792.mov

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                                        Wait… what? Where? Why? Citation?

                                        https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/white-supremacists-threaten-attack-black-americans-donald-neal-ii

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                                          After driving five and a half hours to return home from work, finally got my chance to vote. Line was a little long but I was in and out within 15 minutes. I just wish I got home closer to when this election was ending.

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                                            @Cyclone_Baroness:

                                            https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/white-supremacists-threaten-attack-black-americans-donald-neal-ii

                                            That got weird fast.

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                                              @Cyan:

                                              That got weird fast.

                                              By the end of it i had forgotten what i started reading about.

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                                                Haha yeah. I was oh okay…A history lesson.

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                                                  It gradually turns into something like if Sun Ra joined the Nation of Islam.

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                                                    @Md-Martin:

                                                    But we'll most likely get an Oregon Militia reaction

                                                    The Y'all Qeada folks that took over the wildlife preserve early this year?

                                                    Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.

                                                    Statler: No you haven't.

                                                    Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!

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                                                      Sliiiightly scared now… Hillary's lead in Ohio has evaporated...

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                                                        She never had much of a lead there anyway. Even after Pussygate, she was only like +3 there.

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                                                          Sliiiightly scared now… Hillary's lead in Ohio has evaporated...

                                                          This is why I never once said till now that the race is in the bag. But aren't fluctuations in the polls still to be expected? We still have Donald crying around about rigged elections and stuff about Clinton's emails getting published…

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                                                            Sliiiightly scared now… Hillary's lead in Ohio has evaporated...

                                                            Ohio is run up the score territory though and not necessary for Hillary to win. On the other hand, it is absolutely critical to Trump's chances and being a true tossup is bad for him.

                                                            Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                              Winning North Carolina would basically make up for it anyway. Or Arizona(kind of). Or both.

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                                                                Trump: 'We should just cancel the election and just give it to Trump'

                                                                Read more:*http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-election-cancel-230414#ixzz4OKaYPFCd

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                                                                  Sliiiightly scared now… Hillary's lead in Ohio has evaporated...

                                                                  Not according to 538 it hasn't.

                                                                  Play around with this anyway to see what matters and how.

                                                                  –- Update From New Post Merge ---

                                                                  Also take note that a few bad Ohio polls are also standing up against general election polls out today, such as two +7's, and a +10.

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                                                                    From here on out, it's best to ignore articles about individual polls as they come out and just watch aggregate sites like 538, the TPM Tracking Poll, and the Princeton Election Consortium. There's going to be a lot of click-bait articles about "THE RACE IS TIGHTENING" because Hillary went from a twelve point lead to a nine or some poll comes out that has Trump up by two because he's getting thirty percent of the black vote in the sample and half of Latinos.

                                                                    Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                      538 polls plus has Trump at 53% chance of winning Ohio.

                                                                      –- Update From New Post Merge ---

                                                                      Pence's plane skids off runway at NYC's LaGuardia Airport

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                                                                        If Trump loses North Carolina, Florida, or Ohio (just one of those), he loses the election. And even if he wins all three of those, he still has some states to win in order to win the election.

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                                                                          Looking at the last few polls that were added to 538 for Ohio, the last three additions have come from two different polling companies (one of them released polls on consecutive days) with both of them being rated in the C range and both having a Republican lean.

                                                                          Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                            Certain place trying to make #DraftOurDaughters a thing, just saying in case this scare-tactic get's traction.

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                                                                              Feels good to be among sane and rational people that don't spout bullshit defenses of Trump, Assad, or Putin.

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                                                                              I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                                                https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/white-supremacists-threaten-attack-black-americans-donald-neal-ii

                                                                                I mean… that one guy should be arrested. He probably could be prosecuted for attempting to incite violence, but it's still just one guy...

                                                                                Threats are never cool, but it isn't like people with Black Lives Matter haven't made threats on facebook.

                                                                                Update:

                                                                                Trump thinks they should just cancel the election and give him the presidency.

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                                                                                  Originally Posted by Monkey King

                                                                                  A magical strange Twilight Zone episode where no other education is offered, and the only option is Bill Nye the Science Guy videos

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                                                                                    Threats are never cool, but it isn't like people with Black Lives Matter haven't made threats on facebook.

                                                                                    Which only happens because there's no real leadership guiding the movement. Which is why you'll have some insisting on violence and disorder and some who don't.

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                                                                                    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                                                      Trump has been claiming that he's put over $100 million of his own money into his campaign; it's really about half that and less than that really considering that about twenty percent of his donations have went right back to his businesses. He's been sending out fundraising emails claiming that he's matching donations as well; so far this month, he's donated $31,000 to his own campaign in the form of in-kind donations (which probably means providing office space or use of his plane) rather than cash. He knows that he's lost and is basically trying to squeeze as much money out of the yokels as he can down the stretch.

                                                                                      Right now, Hillary has about four times as much cash on hand as Trump. As of Tuesday, Trump has also ceased fundraising efforts with the RNC, which means that they'll have to devote money that could be used to get out the vote and last minute ad campaigns on more mundane day-to-day operations.

                                                                                      http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/wow-trump-has-been-lying-for-weeks-about-money-to-his-campaign
                                                                                      http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-camp-rnc-fundraising-shut-down

                                                                                      Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                                                        http://yalerecord.org/2016/10/26/the-yale-record-does-not-endorse-hillary-clinton

                                                                                        The Yale Record is specifically prohibited by tax law to not take part in any political campaigns. For this reason they are absolutely not endorsing Hillary Clinton for President nor suggesting people vote for her.

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                                                                                          If Trump loses North Carolina, Florida, or Ohio (just one of those), he loses the election. And even if he wins all three of those, he still has some states to win in order to win the election.

                                                                                          Hell if he loses Utah to Evan McMullin he is in big trouble

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                                                                                            The FBI just re-opened the Hillary e-mail investigation. 😁

                                                                                            https://www.rt.com/usa/364586-comey-reopens-clinton-investigation/

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                                                                                              Politico link for those who aren't interested in RT propaganda: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/fbi-reopens-clinton-email-server-investigation-230454

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                                                                                                They didn't re-open the entire investigation again. They're just investigating the new email leaks to see if classified information was shared and it's relevance to the overall investigation.

                                                                                                So right now they're investigating to see if they have anything else that will not effect Clinton.

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                                                                                                A magical strange Twilight Zone episode where no other education is offered, and the only option is Bill Nye the Science Guy videos

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                                                                                                  ANd yet the Trump rape trial and university nonsense get help until December while this goose chase goes on indefinitely.

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                                                                                                    I'm so sick of this country. Completely tired. Just more and more bs day after day. Nothing to feel positive about.

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                                                                                                      I seriously don't know why Hillary didn't bring up Trump U during the debates. I understand not wanting to go to bringing up the rape case as, even if he's not running, Trump would have just spouted whatever he wanted about Bill once the line of "sex stuff" was crossed, however she could have really hammered home the fact that the "experts" he got to work for Trump U. were retail and fast food managers, and could have turned that to have voters doubt who he appoints to his cabinet, as his main plan seems to be "I'll get the right people, good people, my people who know what they're doing".

                                                                                                      Originally Posted by Monkey King

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                                                                                                        Did Comey do this on purpose to sway the election?

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