Chapter 787: "4 minutes"

kevo_koma

I think some of them are just so far removed from the DF logic we've followed closely and seen evolve, which is Luffy's. Not that there aren't a bunch of insane logic leaps (it's a shonen) involving other DF powers, but Doffy really takes the cake. I can make the connection to Parasite well enough, it takes a leap of logic to connect the power of creating/manipulating string to the actual ability to control people, but it makes sense thematically; he's a puppet master. His ability to stitch himself up makes sense and his attacks all make sense, but when it comes to the string clones and the birdcage in particular? Come on. That stuff is ridiculous. Not only can he create an exact and believable clone from string, but it can talk? And the birdcage just bugs me on a bunch of levels..he has created this MASSIVE thing, big enough to cover an entire island, that is not only (apparently) indestructible, but he doesn't need to even think about it and it continues unabated while he's absolutely at his limits. If he had made it and it became a separate thing that went beyond his control, that would almost make more sense, but we've seen he's in total control of it and that just seems like too much.

It doesn't really bother me, but it does cheapen some parts of the story to me right now. I always loved that One Piece has its own insane form of logic and a couple of Doffy's (and Law's) powers have been the first things to really pull me out of the world more than I'd like.
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I blame all this on the Time speak..somehow people forgot how insane DFs are a lot of the ones we saw were low calibre fruits used to most of their potential. So people were not ready for Laws fruit in the hands of a supernova and how insane it would be. Rubber is already insane. DD is a true master of his fruit and he has been able to draw out its reality vending powers to the limit. Plus I'm betting he knows what Devil fruits are.

Oda had preparer us for this insanity. I still see the logic but it seems a lot of others forgot.

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@cloudrivera:

oh believe me I understand. I wouldn't mind characters not getting a chance to shine. I would LOVE for there to be an arc where Luffy and Zoro are not a part of it. Nami, Brook, and Chopper desperately need attention. I am hoping that after this arc is over, the next one will just be about the Swirley hats. Luffy can use a breather lol

I don't think I can read One piece without Luffy for so long. For me he's the one character who makes it work always.

DHL

@sabinis:

I feel more tension when it comes to Sanjis comeback than when it comes to finishing chapter of a fight with Doflamingo.

I think that Sanji fight will have as much momentum as what we now see on Dressrosa - less characters in it of course but grand scale of battle with all Strawhats fighting hard.
Perhaps Jolas mom will help out Strawhats against Big Mom ship- card that was given to Nami playing role now would be pretty good development imo. Kidd alliance attacking Big Mom ship would also be pretty awesome.

I expect that Sanji will beat Pekoms and criticaly damage Big Mom ship.
Big Mom crew will get Pekomsless and loose one ship so with all 3 Supernova captains attacking Big Moms crew.

Sanji could be one of biggest reasons - in long run - for Big Mom Pirates fall against Kidd alliance.

Who the hell is Jolas mom? I'm tripped out

DonPatch

I like the Sabo and Burgess encounter cause we are finally getting plot points. With Burgess saying he's going to take Luffy's fruit it brings up the question; Is there a universal way for anyone to take devil fruits? Being able to use two fruits should stay exclusive to the Blackbeard crew, but what if anyone can steal a fruit, but the technique is a mystery to many. Cool stuff to think about.

Darkestsith6

@LuffydaPirateKing:

still don't get why he used diamble there

Same reason Luffy uses Gear 2 and 3 on fodder.

DHL

@DonPatch:

I like the Sabo and Burgess encounter cause we are finally getting plot points. With Burgess saying he's going to take Luffy's fruit it brings up the question; Is there a universal way for anyone to take devil fruits? Being able to use two fruits should stay exclusive to the Blackbeard crew, but what if anyone can steal a fruit, but the technique is a mystery to many. Cool stuff to think about.

We have never actually had confirmation that you can't eat two Devil fruits.

There's probably just a legend out there to stop people from being greedy, i mean, no one would want to risk dying after getting a one of a kind power right?

Blackbeards obviously done his research and so has Doflamingo. We also heard from some Donquixote fodder that the fruit, after the users death would appear somewhere on the earth once the user had died.

We as fans are actually basing our theories on non-knowledgeable fodder.

If a fruit really appeared somewhere else on the earth once the user had died, then how did Blackbeard attain the Gura Gura fruit on the spot?

Good questions indeed.

I do like that theory in which the fruit will appear in the closest fruit next to it.

At the end of the day, when we get an explanation from Vegapunk there will be a lot of;

"I thought you couldn't eat two fruits or I thought this was that…"

Vegapunk: Well actually.....

lapa

@DHL:

We have never actually had confirmation that you can't eat two Devil fruits.

There's probably just a legend out there to stop people from being greedy, i mean, no one would want to risk dying after getting a one of a kind power right?
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You're talking like Jabra… It is confirmed that you can't eat two fruits and BB didn't eat a second one, he only transferred the ability onto himself.

DHL

@lapa:

You're talking like Jabra… It is confirmed that you can't eat two fruits and BB didn't eat a second one, he only transferred the ability onto himself.

Ahh, so you were the other guy under the sheet with BB, ok.

Have we seen someone eat two fruits and die?

sabinis

@DHL:

Who the hell is Jolas mom? I'm tripped out

My bad - Lola not Jola

lapa

@DHL:

Ahh, so you were the other guy under the sheet with BB, ok.

Have we seen someone eat two fruits and die?

Right, that's the logic.
My statement is based on the assumption that Oda won't contradict himself.

Revolutionary

I think you guys are forgetting something. After Smiley died who had the Axolotl (I think it's called that?) fruit, a nearby apple was shown to be turned into a devil fruit.

sabinis

@Revolutionary:

I think you guys are forgetting something. After Smiley died who had the Axolotl (I think it's called that?) fruit, a nearby apple was shown to be turned into a devil fruit.

Yeah and Brownbeard will eat it by accident on next cover story

Revolutionary

That reply was meant for the discussion about how the devil fruits reproduce I didn't mean that the Axolotl fruit could be relevant to the story.

sabinis

@Revolutionary:

That reply was meant for the discussion about how the devil fruits reproduce I didn't mean that the Axolotl fruit could be relevant to the story.

Yer bad then, Barto

I wonder at what moment Oda will pick up next cover story though. Right now we are getting some "fan wanted" cover pages so it will possibly go for all Strawhats.
Next one should be Sanji after first two - Luffy and Zoro.

DHL

@sabinis:

My bad - Lola not Jola

I was saying to myself Jola, she had a mum?? She'd be dead.

@sabinis:

Perhaps Jolas mom will help out Strawhats against Big Mom ship

Then Lola, her mom is big mom?

Why would big mom help against her own ship when she could just order them off

THEN i thought to myself, it was completely baseless as Lola only mentioned her mum to be strong and the fans theorized on that woman being Big mom.

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@lapa:

Right, that's the logic.
My statement is based on the assumption that Oda won't contradict himself.

While I understand what you mean, you can't help the fact that Oda can actually have an actual legitimate person who REALLY knows what something actually is or how something actually happened explain that certain topic.

I like to think of Rogers back story. Everyone in the OP'verse believed that Roger had been caught by the marines. However, once we met Rayleigh, we got confirmation saying that Roger turned himself in, and all the "we 360 quick-caught him" was all a lie to boost confidence in the marines and make them look good.

It could be the case with the DF's as well IMO, especially after Oda mentioned a certain professor (Vegapunk(?)) would explain the Devil fruit mechanics.

He's not really contradicting himself, more so clarifying what something is.

sabinis

I dont think that Lolas mom is Big Mom, but who knows.

I expect her to be a famous captain but not a Yonko, yet Oda can suprise me here.

DHL

@sabinis:

I dont think that Lolas mom is Big Mom, but who knows.

I expect her to be a famous captain but not a Yonko, yet Oda can suprise me here.

They're both ugly so who knows :ninja:

Monkey D

@DHL:

We have never actually had confirmation that you can't eat two Devil fruits.

There's probably just a legend out there to stop people from being greedy, i mean, no one would want to risk dying after getting a one of a kind power right?

The scientifics have done some research about how the devil fruits work and they've confirmed that you normally can't eat 2 devil fruits. So it's not just a legend.

Cutty Fram

Komatsu would know how to make one eat two

The Franky Tank

@Monkey:

The scientifics have done some research about how the devil fruits work and they've confirmed that you normally can't eat 2 devil fruits. So it's not just a legend.

With how things are covered up by so many factions, how can this be assumed to be true?

Let's think of it in like how the World Government would consider things. They have scientists do a study in which people eat 2 or more Devil Fruits. From that study, maybe a number of subjects died, but others were successful. Maybe the failures were that certain powers were incompatible with others. Perhaps if you ate two of the same type it would be a problem. Black Beard was a Logia, the only one that couldn't change his shape, then got a Paramecia. What if Aokiji ate the Mera Mera or Magma fruit? They would cancel each other out, or most likely cause problems. Perhaps some combinations would make users even more devastating. The conclusion is that subjects died, but others didn't, and in the cases of the survivors, their threat is even worse.

From that information and from the World Governments perspective, what would be the best thing to say? That having more than one Devil Fruit kills you. This stops people from trying to have more powers, because if you have people with multiple powers running around, their threat becomes greater. It also allows better allocation of resources. People will sell the fruits, and you can give those powers to increase your own strength. When the time comes, they could increase their own power by giving Admirals and other higher up other powers. Imagine having the strength of an Elephant and being able to stretch. Or how about Kizaru being a bird and flying around in the sky, sniping everyone with his light power.

There's also the idea of weapons having a devil fruit power, which could add into the whole mess.

In the end, we can't assume anything we know for the most part has been true. There are many things that have been covered up, and instead a different explanation was given. At this point, nothing can be said for sure until we get an explanation from a person who actually did the tests.

Owain

@sabinis:

Yer bad then, Barto

I wonder at what moment Oda will pick up next cover story though. Right now we are getting some "fan wanted" cover pages so it will possibly go for all Strawhats.
Next one should be Sanji after first two - Luffy and Zoro.

Does Oda not usually do the request orders in the order the SH's join?

RamistaR

@Owain:

Does Oda not usually do the request orders in the order the SH's join?

The last set was in this order: Luffy, Usopp, Sanji, Nami, Zoro, Franky, Brook, Chopper, Robin, Vivi and a bunch of random characters.

DHL

@Monkey:

The scientifics have done some research about how the devil fruits work and they've confirmed that you normally can't eat 2 devil fruits. So it's not just a legend.

Franky the tank covered it better than I would.

I questioned in a larger post the contradiction between what a Donquixote grunt said and what Blackbeard did.

Donquixote grunt said that once a user dies the fruit would appear somewhere random. However when whitebeard died Blackbeard got it on the spot.

It's actually not a contradiction as Oda showed the axolotl fruit spawn in a nearby fruit. Blackbeard probably covered himself over Whiteboard to fool the crowd and it might actually turn out that Blackbeard had some sort of fruit on him. Who else would be carrying a fruit close to whitebeard in a battlefield right?

I don't think it's any type of fruit though, something special maybe.

lapa

@DHL:

I was saying to myself Jola, she had a mum?? She'd be dead.
I like to think of Rogers back story. Everyone in the OP'verse believed that Roger had been caught by the marines. However, once we met Rayleigh, we got confirmation saying that Roger turned himself in, and all the "we 360 quick-caught him" was all a lie to boost confidence in the marines and make them look good.

It could be the case with the DF's as well IMO, especially after Oda mentioned a certain professor (Vegapunk(?)) would explain the Devil fruit mechanics.

He's not really contradicting himself, more so clarifying what something is.

No, first, we didn't know the story of how Roger was captured, second, even a lie would have been different than the confirmation that scientist have researched on that matter.

If BB took an empty fruit with him and then used his own DF to take that power without eating it that wouldn't be a contradiction. Revealing you can eat a fresh one or a Smile would be both one, however, the latter would even qualify as a deus ex machina just as what The Franky Tank suggested.

Dranza

@cloudrivera:

Hopefully there's a Bronze Tiger(see what I did there?) On Roger's crew that would meet Sanji and teach him how to accept his role as 3rd best lol

Scopper Gaban will give Sanji a huge power boost when he shows his face finally?

mario time

i hope the next arc focus only on the SH crew please oda no more pirates allies

uniaka ikuzakas

I would not mind if luffy, sanji, nami, brook, chopper shine next arc along allies and zoro,franky,robin,usopp go in the shadow, fair trade. At least Zoro could get lost ~~for good~~:ninja:

sabinis

@Owain:

Does Oda not usually do the request orders in the order the SH's join?

He shown Luffy first, then he went for Zoro cover, perhaps he will be playing with "order" of crew but I wouldnt be suprised if this time Oda would go in some rank/strength order.

skoopa

@sabinis:

He shown Luffy first, then he went for Zoro cover, perhaps he will be playing with "order" of crew but I wouldnt be suprised if this time Oda would go in some rank/strength order.

knowing that you are a big fan of Sanji ( as i am , i hate that the gap between him and zoro widen ) i really wonder what would be your your reaction if its Franky or brook that is shown in the next cover page hahaha

sabinis

@skoopa:

knowing that you are a big fan of Sanji ( as i am , i hate that the gap between him and zoro widen ) i really wonder what would be your your reaction if its Franky or brook that is shown in the next cover page hahaha

Gap didnt widen. You will see soon enough.
My reaction would be probably like this

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DHL

@lapa:

No, first, we didn't know the story of how Roger was captured, second, even a lie would have been different than the confirmation that scientist have researched on that matter.

If BB took an empty fruit with him and then used his own DF to take that power without eating it that wouldn't be a contradiction. Revealing you can eat a fresh one or a Smile would be both one, however, the latter would even qualify as a deus ex machina just as what The Franky Tank suggested.

We didn't know the story of Roger? Correct. We also still don't know what the DF mechanics are and a lot of misconceptions will be revealed in its explanation.. That's why Oda mentioned a certain professor explaining all this.

I think that the "eating" of a fruit is taken to technically. I'd like to call it "possesing".

I personally like the idea of having different DF types. 1 Logia, 1 Paramecia, 1 Zoan. Having two of each wouldn't work.

DonPatch

@DHL:

We have never actually had confirmation that you can't eat two Devil fruits.

There's probably just a legend out there to stop people from being greedy, i mean, no one would want to risk dying after getting a one of a kind power right?

Blackbeards obviously done his research and so has Doflamingo. We also heard from some Donquixote fodder that the fruit, after the users death would appear somewhere on the earth once the user had died.

We as fans are actually basing our theories on non-knowledgeable fodder.

If a fruit really appeared somewhere else on the earth once the user had died, then how did Blackbeard attain the Gura Gura fruit on the spot?

Good questions indeed.

I do like that theory in which the fruit will appear in the closest fruit next to it.

At the end of the day, when we get an explanation from Vegapunk there will be a lot of;

"I thought you couldn't eat two fruits or I thought this was that…"

Vegapunk: Well actually.....

I'm pretty sure back when Kaku and Kalifa first got their fruits the CP9 conversation confirmed Vegapunk had researched the results of eating two. I may be wrong though. I'll have to check the volumes again.

I'm not sure if the fruit transferring theory is true. Whitebeard was dead for a little while before Blackbeard threw the black curtain. Blackbeard did something unique and it's hinted through Burgess that anyone can steal a fruit. Eating two may be exclusive to Blackbeard himself.

Riquelme

I just have this thought, that what if when Doffy is defeated and Fuji is going to arrest him he gets surrounded by shadow brokers or Kaido's men and we finally get to see how powerful he is by warding them off and have them retreat. I think that would be a wonderful thing just like when Big Mom ship turned up and Fuji, Doffy and Law standoff on green bit.

G8trH8tr

You know, I always in my mind thought it was a no-brainer that Blackbeard's infinite darkness/void fruit was the reason he could accommodate another devil fruit. It made sense to me. Anything wrong with that idea?

allbluebro

@G8trH8tr:

You know, I always in my mind thought it was a no-brainer that Blackbeard's infinite darkness/void fruit was the reason he could accommodate another devil fruit. It made sense to me. Anything wrong with that idea?

There is nothing wrong with believing that theory as long as you realize it's a theory and until proven recognize that there are numerous other explanations.
One devil fruit that allows you to have as many devil fruit abilities as you want seems pretty dumb to me not to mention lazy writing which leads me to believe it has nothing to do with the yami yami no mi nor Blackbwards "special body". Next cover page should be Vega punk pointing to a chalk board with some explanations to hopefully put to rest some of these tired debates.

G8trH8tr

@allbluebro:

There is nothing wrong with believing that theory as long as you realize it's a theory and until proven recognize that there are numerous other explanations.
One devil fruit that allows you to have as many devil fruit abilities as you want seems pretty dumb to me not to mention lazy writing which leads me to believe it has nothing to do with the yami yami no mi nor Blackbwards "special body". Next cover page should be Vega punk pointing to a chalk board with some explanations to hopefully put to rest some of these tired debates.

You don't have to call it pretty dumb…:sad:

DHL

@G8trH8tr:

You don't have to call it pretty dumb…:sad:

I understand your pain

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Razh

@G8trH8tr:

You know, I always in my mind thought it was a no-brainer that Blackbeard's infinite darkness/void fruit was the reason he could accommodate another devil fruit. It made sense to me. Anything wrong with that idea?

Except Marco hinted that it was because of Blackbeard's "atypical build" by wondering about it.

And you know Oda and how he makes his characters say useless things just to fill up space. :ninja:

Doke no Buggy

Probably already said, but I'm pretty sure that the sparkles or whatever Fujitora "sees" are just the visual cue that Oda is giving the reader to let us know fuji notices the cage changing speeds, which makes me think he may help Zoro next chapter.

uniaka ikuzakas

@Razh:

Except Marco hinted that it was because of Blackbeard's "atypical build" by wondering about it.

And you know Oda and how he makes his characters say useless things just to fill up space. :ninja:

What could be about his body that is special? His weight is double the size of a normal person, but I don't think that counts:ninja:

Some former Ope Ope no mi used did the immortal operation him? But that would make him way too op, on top of his 2 dfs.

Razh

@uniaka:

What could be about his body that is special? His weight is double the size of a normal person, but I don't think that counts:ninja:

Some former Ope Ope no mi used did the immortal operation him? But that would make him way too op, on top of his 2 dfs.

Yeah, I had a same idea in Theories thread a while back.

Maybe he's a member of some unknown subspecies. Maybe he was born with a siamese twin somewhere on his body, or something (don't mistake me for one of those "it's not him, it's they" truthers). Maybe it's a direct or an indirect result of some other devil fruit (other than Ope Ope, I mean). Maybe he has a mutation. Maybe he fell into a devil fruit juice tank when he was a kid…

In any case, his body is different enough than normal bodies for it to come across Marco's mind. And it's not something that is that much of a secret. From Marco's words, it seems BB's body quirkiness is something like a general knowledge among WB pirates. He was in the crew for 20 years, after all.

allbluebro

@G8trH8tr:

You don't have to call it pretty dumb…:sad:

Didn't mean to call it dumb bro I was just expressing that I would find it too hax but then again this arc has shown us what hax fruits are all about…

Eat n' Sleep

I wonder why the Blackbeard Pirates are killing DF users and collecting their powers though.
Does this mean Teach can have multiple powers, and not just two? Or maybe all his crewmates can have two powers?

DevilForce

So Usopp is basically sitting on his ass doing nothing right now eh? Also, how are the goons from the casino alive?? Weren't they crushed into the hole by Fujitora? Or are they the ones that didn't get into the fight?

uniaka ikuzakas

@Eat:

I wonder why the Blackbeard Pirates are killing DF users and collecting their powers though.
Does this mean Teach can have multiple powers, and not just two? Or maybe all his crewmates can have two powers?

I think he's doing it for his crew, it could be that none of them are DF users( except Laffitte) and wants to make his crew as strong as he can. And 2 dfs is the thing that makes BB special, would be kinda wierd if all in the crew start doing it. It would show that there's some secret to DFs and maybe anyone out there could eat 2 once they know the secret.

Razh

@uniaka:

I think he's doing it for his crew, it could be that none of them are DF users( except Laffitte) and wants to make his crew as strong as he can. And 2 dfs is the thing that makes BB special, would be kinda wierd if all in the crew start doing it. It would show that there's some secret to DFs and maybe anyone out there could eat 2 once they know the secret.

Maybe you just need to take it through the ass.

andy

@Eat:

I wonder why the Blackbeard Pirates are killing DF users and collecting their powers though.
Does this mean Teach can have multiple powers, and not just two? Or maybe all his crewmates can have two powers?

From the sound of it is BB crew now not bigger than just 10 people ?
Would make sense if he wants to make them as strong as possible .

juiceduphody3315

@Razh:

Maybe you just need to take it through the ass.

Only one df can be eaten…by mouth :ninja:

DooMinator

It would also make sense just to take them away from enemies just in order to weaken them… If your Crew is the only one to have DFs, you're basically unbeatable...

Dranza

I think Blackbeard used to be good once upon a time and then an evil spirit possessed him, I doubt someone would bide their time all the way into their near 40s just to eat a DF. He memorised the shapes at some point but before that he seemed like a jolly fellow. Or…he's just a good actor and is the most patient person ever.

Adam Fenix

It's pretty obvious that Sabor is going to die eventually and that Luffy will eat the Mera Mera