Did Sabo destroyed the knife ?
(not that it matters)
Chapter 786 : Gatz
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Maybe Blackbeard sucks out the fruit's essence with his powers instead of letting it materialize somewhere else in the world? I assume Burgess was going to bring him Luffy's corpse. It would be stupid if anyone could do it.
I think that's a good point. Like we saw with smiley. When a devil fruit user dies the essence of the fruit remains in the immediate area. Blackbeard with his gravity suck everything in, he can even contain people within himself along with items. So he could theoretically absorb that essence into himself as well.
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http://readms.com/r/one_piece/786/2781/18
Pandaman as a gladiotor with a shield with him on it up left.
I was wondering if Pandaman was in one of the group shots. Great find!
Also noteworthy that most of these fighters - besides the obvious Meadows, Mummy and Rolling Logan - were already seen back in the colisseum as well.
And I will have to check that out later.
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Maybe Blackbeard sucks out the fruit's essence with his powers instead of letting it materialize somewhere else in the world? I assume Burgess was going to bring him Luffy's corpse. It would be stupid if anyone could do it.
if that was the case,why show up at the war at all..just stay around the island,at the same island the supernova stayed,and suck every "essence" of fruit you get in that radius until you get the gura gura
and if he needs to be close to do that..i think the fruit would have long left luffy's body when burgess returns to BB -
isn't he the guy who threw a building at ace when he was not looking?such an honorable fighter
Yeah well his actions don't seem to point out his fair-game-ness.
But I meant that his form doesn't hint at him being sneaky.Also I don't really consider throwing a house a cheapshot lol…
More like "here I come let's see what you can do with this!" kind of thing than "eheheh I had a poison on my claws while fighting you" -
Took only a couple of seconds here http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/676/8
That's smiley, different rules. I'm pretty sure it was 2 years. Anyone got proof? I doubt I came up with it on my own
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I'm going to be saying Weehahaha to myself all day…
Oh, and I don't think those gladiators are going to be able to even buy 1 minute for Luffy.
@Terry:
I lose 10 minutes of haki if I use poundman bla bla. You gotta be kidding me!
Luffy was using Haki to make Gear 4 work. Did you expect him to be able to use it forever and not have any haki related drawbacks?
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I personally find Koala's comment to be kind of funny considering how spindly Burgess legs are compared to the rest of his body.
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That's smiley, different rules. I'm pretty sure it was 2 years. Anyone got proof? I doubt I came up with it on my own
Blackbeard? It's all speculation but if we assume smiley rules apply, then blackbeard had a pear in his pocket and ate it once WB died. Only took a few minutes for him to gain WB's power afterall.
Same for Doffy, I'm guessing he was carrying fruit around and got ace's DF that way when Ace died
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is Burgess retarded ? Come on, there is Law's fruit lying nearby, but he is heading to gomu-gomu…
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is Burgess retarded ? Come on, there is Law's fruit lying nearby, but he is heading to gomu-gomu…
I vote this the best post of the thread
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is Burgess retarded ? Come on, there is Law's fruit lying nearby, but he is heading to gomu-gomu…
Nah I think he just wants to fry the bigger fish in his opinion.
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is Burgess retarded ? Come on, there is Law's fruit lying nearby, but he is heading to gomu-gomu…
If you just saw Luffy, in Gear Fourth mode, beating the snot out of Doflamingo, wouldn't you want it?
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So I'm guessing a fruit user needs to die in order to get the fruit power to a new owner..?
Burgess is trying to "get" the gomugomu power for himself and not making a Devil Fruit to bring back.
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If you just saw Luffy, in Gear Fourth mode, beating the snot out of Doflamingo, wouldn't you want it?
But the question is would someone else be able to use not fourth but even second gear ?
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Not exactly the only option that would have evoked some drama though, is it?
but not terrible? he was already on his way, and it's not that crazy he would jump in to save luffy. This seems like a strange thing to pick at.
But the question is would someone else be able to use not fourth but even second gear ?
Luffy saw soru once and learned to do it. Lucci saw G2 and it didn't take him any time to figure out the mechanics of it. I would assume that burgess would have some capacity to learn techniques from observation.
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And I will have to check that out later.
Okay, I might've been a little wrong there. I really thought that I've seen most of these guys somewhere before, but checking through the pages I only found 2 guys where I'm sure that these are the same people.
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Burgess should have gone for Bellamy if he really wanted GomuGomu powers.
Luffy took decades to reach the SpringSpring awesomeness with his fruit. -
is Burgess retarded ? Come on, there is Law's fruit lying nearby, but he is heading to gomu-gomu…
cavendish is with him though
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Did Sabo destroyed the knife ?
(not that it matters)He did not(from what is visible).
It will be knife vs pipe fight.
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but not terrible? he was already on his way, and it's not that crazy he would jump in to save luffy. This seems like a strange thing to pick at.
Luffy saw soru once and learned to do it. Lucci saw G2 and it didn't take him any time to figure out the mechanics of it. I would assume that burgess would have some capacity to learn techniques from observation.Luffy is the main character and he needed such kind of power up for that time. And he has good potential what i can't say about Burgess.
@Maju:cavendish is with him though
Seriously ? Cavendish gets owned with one shot for sure
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Seriously ? Cavendish gets owned with one shot for sure
because reasons
also,even if that was the case,burgess has no way to know it.
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to be honest I've been dissapointed with the Doflamingo vs. Luffy fight.
I was expecting something more like an epic show down like with Luffy vs. Crocodile but the closest thing this fight reminds me of is Luffy vs. Blueno (who wasn't even the main antagonist of his arc)
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because reasons
also,even if that was the case,burgess has no way to know it.
Cavendish/Hakuba got caught by Robin pretty easily, and i'm convinced that Burgess is much much much more powerful than Robin ) Plus Cavendish can't be in Hakuba mode for a long time and Burgess is pretty tough guy to get beaten in a short time.
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to be honest I've been dissapointed with the Doflamingo vs. Luffy fight.
I was expecting something more like an epic show down like with Luffy vs. Crocodile but the closest thing this fight reminds me of is Luffy vs. Blueno (who wasn't even the main antagonist of his arc)
This fight has been better IMO.
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Has Luffy ever stopped in the middle of a fight like this, or are we going to count Crocodile? This time others are directly intervening in Luffy's fight by trying to slow down Doflamingo. And Oda pushing this to another 10 mins just to make the bird cage seem more menacing is too much. Where is Dressrosa going to go when their country is destroyed? Are the Revolutionaries going to magically help them all out?
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The man is right about something.
Blackbears knows about DFs, he got 2 of the best DFs in the world. I would imagine BB knows about a DF that is worth 5 billions and can make you immortal. Was also said BB hunts strong DFs.
A rubber fruit is nothing special. And the fact that the main character invented the Gears to defeat strong villains, gears are not default powers of the fruit, or are easy to learn for others.
Look at Doflamingo, likely many users would never manage to do a island size birdcage with it, and be stuck with the default 5 color strings attack lol.
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Now no one can complain about Luffy being ridiculously small compared to the admirals and whatnot. Boundman is 4 meters tall.
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but not terrible? he was already on his way, and it's not that crazy he would jump in to save luffy. This seems like a strange thing to pick at.
Luffy saw soru once and learned to do it. Lucci saw G2 and it didn't take him any time to figure out the mechanics of it. I would assume that burgess would have some capacity to learn techniques from observation.
Nah Burguess and all the other members of Blackbeard pirates are idiots with brute force, nothing else. They think that using only raw strengh and powerful devil fruits they will win always. One thing is controling a fruit (Blackbeard problems using the Gura Gura no mi) and another is to master it. Luffy had this fruit since he was young like Doflamingo, it not the same situation.
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But the question is would someone else be able to use not fourth but even second gear ?
Probably not, but does any body but Luffy know that his devil fruit is nigh useless with training?
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I'm terrified at the notion that Luffy needs "only 10 minutes". In DBZ, it was only 5min for Goku's Genkidama. Granted, I didn't read the manga so I don't know how many chapters that took, but I'm still horrified at the amount of useless filler from the anime. ;___;
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@Fire Fist:
Looks like we have a spirit bomb situation. Because if the entire Strawhat Gang could ascend a hundred foot tall tower, disable the two snipers posted in it, and disarm a bomb, all in the span of ten seconds, then Ten Minutes is enough time for Doflamingo to go drop a deuce, read a chapter in his favorite book, and go for a short walk before coming up and finishing off Luffy.
Kudos for funniest comment.
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So devil fruits and haki have time limits lol..I'm making a logical conclusion that ancient weapons, seastone, and sword durability are next in line for plot treatments
You can bet your sweet teets that seastones will break once in the series.
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Oh shit, the return of Meadows!! King of AP!!
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Eh, pretty mediocre chapter. After seeing the spoilers, I was kinda hyped that Doflamingo wasn't down yet, but deep down I had a feeling I was gonna be disappointed. Instead of getting the main fight, we get Doflamingo fighting a bunch of rejects from the coliseum, who are basically just here to waste time so Luffy can use his finisher attack. Lame. Honestly, this wouldn't even be so bad if they had shown more of the fight last chapter, and not skipped twenty minutes, and then just focused on Riku. I am officially never letting myself get hyped for this fight again.
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Burgess fanboys are going to be shedding tears, "BB commander" they said "EoS enemy for SH" they said "strong as Sabo" they said. Sabo is in another league and could take out the main boss of this arc if he had to. Enjoy watching the wannabe champ get his butt handed to him officially next chapter.
Doflamingo is going to be the disgraced king of Dressrosa, his usual walk of arrogance will become a long walk of shame as all the people he manipulated and treated like crap will jeer him and mock him, he'll still have his stupid grin on his face but after he ploughs through his enemies and finally reaches Luffy Luffy will probably have Gear fourth back up and running. I hope it's not gear fourth though, I want to see a red hawk gatling bury Doffy once and for all. We need the iconic scene of Doffy on his knees, kneeling to Luffy the true king. Also, the mandatory smashing of his sunglasses as that happens. Luffy looks like he's dying from exhaustion.
If Burgess is that desperate for a fruit why doesn't he just take Bellamy's the guy is practically laying there dead he could do it more justice than Bel-lame-y.
One I've never said that he's as strong as Sabo.
Two all I saw was someone getting surprise kicked like has happened to many other strong characters.
And even if he gets trounced he'll still be my favorite BB Pirate because I don't really care about strength. -
In the next chapter we'll see Jesus and The (young) Lord face off against Sabo like the catbrothers against Zoro.
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I have a feeling that next luffy attack won't be a gear fourth poundman type. I mean i beat the shit out of doflamingo but we now the bazooka type of attack are close to the strongest in each gear. So i think that for luffy to be sure he's gonna defeat with one blow doflamingo he's gonna use something else like the blueno fight where he nearly used gear third remenber. Does anybody think that too ? sorry if the idea was already mentionned i didn't read completely the thread.
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Excuse my language, but holy shit, does Jesus looks evil as fuck in that face shot panel
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Excuse my language, but holy shit, does Jesus looks evil as fuck in that face shot panel
http://i995.mangapanda.com/one-piece/786/one-piece-5675849.jpgI would rate it on par with BB's evil face or Shiliew's evil face. And it's hard to stand out since all BB pirates look evil as fuc.
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It was a nice chapter, defeating Dofla sure is a team effort.
So this confirms that Doffy is stronger than Luffy, and I really can't think of an argument proving otherwise. But I also think help from other people is a better way to defeat the antagonists than being protected by plot armor. I hope Sabo/Burgess and Dofla/gladiators will get an equal amount of screen time, but I doubt that will be the case. And we finally got the G4 penalty, although it doesn't seem as restrictful as the previous ones. The way he described it made it seem like he could still fight with his regular abilities, but I guess haki is essential to fight any enemy from now on.
One could argue that if Luffy had noticed Doula wasn't defeated sooner, he would have won the fight by now.
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Liked the chapter, even if it did bring the fight to a halt.
I liked how everyone is going to buy Luffy some time, I do hope though, that they don't buy enough. 10 minutes against people so far beneath Doffy, even if it is so many people shouldn't be too much trouble for him.
That Law mentioned the birdcage remaining up puts paid to people theorizing it would stay up after Doffy gets defeated.
Were people this annoyed when Sanji had his "I'm the hunter" moment in Enies Lobby? Same thing, with less foreshadowing. Would you rather have the chapter end with Burgess coming at Luffy, despite us all knowing something would stop him next chapter?
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This was a pretty decent chapter good to see luffy getting some recognition in the new world for defeating doflamingo. The most hype part of the chapter though was the return of the Legendary Meadows doflamingo is in serious trouble now and so is Burgess.
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Ok, I finally got around to reading the whole chapter and honestly, there is not much for me to say about this chapter other than the following:
SABO VS BURGESS ROUND 2, BITCHES!!
GET HYPED!
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One could argue that if Luffy had noticed Doula wasn't defeated sooner, he would have won the fight by now.
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One could argue that if Doflamingo would not have 3 fights with Law, the fights with Aokiji and Smoker at PH, the fight with Sanji, and if Law din't crush DD's organs with Gamma knife, Luffy would be dead by now.
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Another man could argue that DD din't even try his 'Parasite' move he used on Jozu and Sanji. Maybe because it would work like a charm?
Ok, I finally got around to reading the whole chapter and honestly, there is not much for me to say about this chapter other than the following:
SABO VS BURGESS ROUND 2, BITCHES!!
GET HYPED!
I can bet with you that it's 'DOFLAMINGO AND BURGESS TEAM UP ON SABO'. Unless Zoro shows up and fights Doflamingo for 10 minutes.
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Great chapter!!!
Doffy is going to lay the make down on the gladiators.I also think by Sabo attacking Burgess will cause BB to declare war against the revolutionary army which will finally bring them into the story more than they are now. Because as it stands it's Pirates vs WG/Marines, Revolutionary army vs WG now it's going to be Revolutionary army vs Pirates. Which makes sense so to make the final battle so to speak a three-way battle. I can def see in the near future luffy and dragon meeting.
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He's a commander in the final villain's crew, as such, he's a major antagonist.
I know Darth's likes and dislikes because I debated with him a lot.
How exactly does knowing somebody's likes and dislikes have anything to do with "beginning to sound like them"?
Even your attempted snappy retorts have no logic behind them.
I've outlined my very tangible reasons for disliking Sabo in some detail, in this thread alone.
By all means though, continue trying to think of witty comebacks and ignore all the actual content of the thread your browsing.
How are you sounding similar to him? No real basis of disliking characters other than they looked funny at characters you have a personal bias for.
Sabo jumps out of nowhere "I call bullshit, the manner in which he jumped out of nowhere is a problem"
Burgess comes tumbling down a huge hill and is instantly where Luffy is at but you seem to have no issues with his sudden emergence. At least with Sabo Koala called him into action several chapters ago. Burgess is a cool character and all but your argument of him being eos level antagonist is really hanging by a thread here since Sabo is treating him like fodder this early in the New world, oh wait that's exactly your problem isn't it, the fact that he's being shown to be weak at the hands of an overpowered "cocky" revolutionary who should have withheld his comeback for another arc instead of messing with a BB character you really like lol. Childish stuff.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
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One could argue that if Doflamingo would not have 3 fights with Law, the fights with Aokiji and Smoker and PH, the fight with Sanji, and if Law din't crush DD's organs with Gamma knife, Luffy would be dead by now.
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Another man could argue that DD din't even try his 'Parasite' move he used on Jozu and Sanji. Maybe because it would work like a charm?
In the 3 fights with Law, he had help from either Trébol or Fujitora, which made things easier for him. And Smoker and Aokiji were yesterday. Not to mention he had access to a healing power. And it's not like Luffy himself hadn't fought several people too.
But in the end, all those arguments are silly. Gear 4th pretty much puts Luffy's on Doula's level anyway.
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Lesse here, this is really quite a marvel.
It's no little wonder you know about Darth's likes and dislikes, furthering my point that you are beginning to sound like him, I.e. Disliking something for no tangible reason besides "I just don't like his expressions"
You criticise Rob for "hating" on Sabo for "no tangible reason". This is done despite his repeated explanation of very tangible reasons: he dislikes the tired last-minute-save trope, and feel that Sabos mary-sue hype is unbalanced compared to Burgess performance. These things rooted in his subjective opinions of importance and writing preferences, but they are tangible, easily understood reasons.
Yet before you discredit Robs subjective opinion, you say:
What's so important about Burgess again? He looks like he could be a member of Team Rocket in the OP universe that's there to capture pikachu because he thinks it's powerful (gomu gomu no mi) but Giovanni (Blackbeard) would call him useless if he came back with such a "treasure". He went to capture Moltress, failed that, settled for someone else's fruit, looks like he's definitely going to fail that. I see him as a comedic relief character for Dressrosa.
Which is pretty much 100% subjective opinion, especially the last bit, based on your own viewpoint that the BB pirates aren't the important endgame opponents that 99% of the fanbase sees them at.
In other words, you base your derogatory tone and snide comments on other people having "untangible reasoning" on equally subjective, untangible reasoning. unless you somehow believe that your opinions are "more correct" and "more objective", in which case, do share.
Finally, the cherry on the cake is the "you're sounding like Darth!!" angle. In other words, you're pretty much trying to shame Robzilla out of his arguments by comparing him to another, controversial poster. "hey dude, I compare you to darth, you don't wanna be like Darth do you, so stop posting lol". How quaint.
I sincerely hope this isn't going to become a forum shorthand: If someone has a viewpoint you disagree with, and dares to argue this viewpoint with you over several posts, you can just reply with a condendenscending "you're pulling a Darth!" and instantly discredit the opposing poster.
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In the 3 fights with Law, he had help from either Trébol or Fujitora, which made things easier for him. And Smoker and Aokiji were yesterday. Not to mention he had access to a healing power. And it's not like Luffy himself hadn't fought several people too.
He din't have access to healing after he got the Gamma Knife, by far the worst injury. And DD is man who is now on the operation table or just got out of it because of his strings.
And what about Parasite?
But in the end, all those arguments are silly. Gear 4th pretty much puts Luffy's on Doula's level anyway.
Don't ignore the important part here. It only puts luffy on the same level as Doflamingo FOR A LIMITED TIME and at the cost of no haki for 10 minutes. More then enough time for Doflamingo to kill Luffy and eat lunch too.
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