Nov Issue out

[joekido the Second]

Well, nothing much in this issue, they kept everything the way it was

-Still no "Shahahahhah" Come on Viz, let Arlong laugh like that.

-They kept Nami stabbing her arms:

Nami: ARLONG!!!!!! "Shunk!!!" ARLONG!!! "Shunk!!!!!" ARLONG!!!! "Shunk!!!!!" "Shunk!!"

"Wap"

Nami: !

Nami: Huff Huff "Plup Plup…" Luffy!! What are you doing!? You don't know anything!!

Luffy: Yeah. I don't know anything.

Nami: This has nothing to do with you!! I told you!! Leave this island!! Sob

Luffy: Yeah, you told me

Nami: !!!!..... Luffy.....Help.....

Luffy puts his hat on her head and cried out

Luffy: OKAY!!!!!

I kinda hope they keep "I WILL!!!!" but they did a good job with the dialogues and they did not edit anything. I see some "Doom" and everyone goes "Rigth!!"

-There is no "Damn you, Arlong!" just "Curse you, Arlong!" at least it's not a "Darn you, Arlong!"

-The translation was good, there is no cussing and art edit. They handled emotional scenes very well, far far better then 4-Kids version. No name changes.

Still 3 chapters and I found one good fanarts, others is so-so.

[Zephos]

As usual Viz is smooth sailing with an annoying wind in the face called the "No swearing gust".

Thats seriously my only issue with them. I don't even mind Zolo since they portray the character so well, it shows that even though 4kids didn't screw up Zoro, they still didn't do well with him.

Even the formerly ass-ugly GN covers (vol.4 :sleep: ) are looking better and more accurate and more importantly EYE APPEALING.

By the time 4kids drops One Piece (an increasingly likely event) all the dubbies will turn to Viz. And y'know what? Viz deserves the attention.

[Malintex_Terek]

I refused to purchase anymore Shonen Jump because of Zoro's name change. It's a pity, really, because I was a die hard customer. =/

[Cap'n Carter]

What a silly reason.

[Keroro]

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[Matt]

@Malintex_Terek:

I refused to purchase anymore Shonen Jump because of Zoro's name change. It's a pity, really, because I was a die hard customer. =/

Thats something you really should be able to deal with. You know his real name is Zoro, an L in there isn't going to change anything.

[Voodzik]

I think making a fuss about the division between "Curse you" and "Damn you" is hairspliting. It'sa the same basic feeling behind it, and if it helps them sell another volume that means more One Piece manga in the states. I have no objection.

[Zephos]

Its an important script detail. It empowers emotional dialouge.
And its cheesy as fuck when someone says curse you.
I get an immediate mental image of some lame supervillain slamming his fist down as he watches Batman save the whales.

Thats a pretty shitty thing to have pop in you head when your trying to focus on Nami's plan being tearfully dismantled.

[Bounty1Berry]

Zephos: +50 points for strange brainism.

I never really felt like the cursing isn't intense enough in the parts I've read. I'm sore part of it is that language is a moving target; who's to say that some pirates don't use the word 'curse'.

Especially given that the OP world seems to have relatively weak religious threads, maybe the concept of damnation doesn't carry much weight.

[joekido the Second]

@Bounty1Berry:

Zephos: +50 points for strange brainism.

I never really felt like the cursing isn't intense enough in the parts I've read. I'm sore part of it is that language is a moving target; who's to say that some pirates don't use the word 'curse'.

Especially given that the OP world seems to have relatively weak religious threads, maybe the concept of damnation doesn't carry much weight.

What? Can you make that clear? Cussing is what everyone wants in the manga, people want to hear "Damn, Shit, Bastard, Fuck, Crap, Ass etc etc etc" in the manga. Cussing is like a pepper you put in a food and when you eat it it'll burn your tounge. I don't get why people think if a person cuss makes the story good; people likes LOTR and there is no cussing there, do you hear "Damn, Fuck, Shit, Bastard, Ass"? No.

Insulting is worst as cussing, I find many characters in the english OP manga doing that and instend of being happy about it, some people whines and whines about no cussing. That is very sad and very silly.

Cussing does not make the story good, does EVERYONE in the manga have to cuss? Is there anyone in the manga who never cuss?

Cussing is a sick form of insult, everytime someone says the word "Fuck" I cring, yet it also damage interst in the story and not many people wants cussing here. Cussing does not make you look mature, it makes you look stupid. The reason why people cuss is because they think they will be strong yet cussing is not an education values.

[Yoska]

Well, I don't know nothing about VIZ but cussing can be effective for emphasizing dialogue or for personalizing a character.

[Local-chan]

I'm guessing Sanji will start saying "This is the Crappy Restaurant" instead now Oh well, could be worse.

[Zephos]

What? Can you make that clear? Cussing is what everyone wants in the manga, people want to hear "Damn, Shit, Bastard, Fuck, Crap, Ass etc etc etc" in the manga. Cussing is like a pepper you put in a food and when you eat it it'll burn your tounge. I don't get why people think if a person cuss makes the story good; people likes LOTR and there is no cussing there, do you hear "Damn, Fuck, Shit, Bastard, Ass"? No.

What part of emotional empowerment didn't your get?

Insulting is worst as cussing, I find many characters in the english OP manga doing that and instend of being happy about it, some people whines and whines about no cussing. That is very sad and very silly.

Thats not how the world views it. The average person dosen't care if someone talks down someones choice of clothing as compared to someone yelling out FUCK.

Cussing does not make the story good, does EVERYONE in the manga have to cuss? Is there anyone in the manga who never cuss?

It makes it BETTER, it makes the dialouge realistic. Few people say Darn or Heck. And NOBODY says "curse you".

Cussing is a sick form of insult, everytime someone says the word "Fuck" I cring,

You need to grow up then. :sleep:
P.S: Beware of college.

yet it also damage interst in the story and not many people wants cussing here.

DAMAGES?
Are you actually attempting to asess public taste? Or are you basing this entirely off your own uncommon word fears.

Cussing does not make you look mature, it makes you look stupid.

Cussing dosen't make you look mature. Its just use of powerful words is all. But it sure as hell dosen't make you stupid.

How old are you Joe. At the stage where people cuss to be cool?
There's a plateau of maturity beyond that where people cuss but no one cares. Its casual.

The reason why people cuss is because they think they will be strong yet cussing is not an education values.

People just do it….. Swears are Adjectives and Nouns and Verbs. Like any other word. Except with more power behind them.
Nobody over 14 does it to be cool, they do it....just because its no big deal. My parents, respectable, upper-middle class, english teacher/2nd grade teacher, actors in Shakespeare at the local community level.
They swear.
No word has education value. Why hold swears to a different standard.

One last thing.
THESE WORDS ARE ONLY MONSTERS BECAUSE OF FEELINGS LIKE YOURS. THEY ARE JUST COMBINATIONS OF LETTERS. THEY ARE ONLY OFFENSIVE WHEN PEOPLE TAKE OFFENSE.

[Cap'n Carter]

I thought Joekido was deaf? (UNless he means whenever he sees the word he cringes… or something)

[zianchu]

THESE WORDS ARE ONLY MONSTERS BECAUSE OF FEELINGS LIKE YOURS. THEY ARE JUST COMBINATIONS OF LETTERS. THEY ARE ONLY OFFENSIVE WHEN PEOPLE TAKE OFFENSE.

I completely agree that's why when people tell me, "well you'll go to hell when you swear!" I get really mad and tell them, "god didn't make them swears, society did!"

[joekido the Second]

@Cap'n:

I thought Joekido was deaf? (UNless he means whenever he sees the word he cringes… or something)

I meant cringes. Oh and not all people like cussing.

==Story 1====
John: So that guy was a son-of-a-bitch
Jenny: Don't say that John
John: But it's true, that guy is a total shithead
Jenny: I said stop cussing!

==Story 2==
Police: Your under arrest
Subject: Damn, Fuck, Shit, Damn
Police: Do you hear us cussing?
Subject: Hell no!!
Police: Then don't say it

==Story 3==

Sally, a friend of Peter's parents, decide to have a small talk with Peter.

Sally: your rabbit is evil
Peter: That's bullshit
Sally: Watch you mouth

==Story 4==
Doug: DAMN! JULIE!
Roger: Doug, what happened?
Doug: JULIE IS CAVED IN!!!! WE GOT TO SAVE HER DAMMIT!!!!
Roger: Relax, cussing is not going to save her "whips out cell phone and dialed 911"

So I'm saying cussing does not give you power. Cussing does not make the story. Cussing olny hurts your emotions, so….

[GoAnderson]

I really do second Zeph here, Joekido. "Shit," "hell," etc. are just groupings of letters that have meanings some find offensive. Not everyone is offended; and not everyone wants to live in a bubble, free from the "evils of the world."

… I say this as a Christian: they're just words, no matter what some book says on the matter.

[Bloodfoot]

As a little kid, I thought that cussing was a Pretty Bad Thing. My parents taught me that nice people didn't say nasty things. And I liked nice people, and wanted to be a nice person. So I just made up fantastically silly words and phrases to express myself. :3 Eventually, I grew into classical Latin and Shakespearian insults and so on. I decided that it was more fun to be creative than crude. X3 Oh man was I terminally geek. Eh, who am I kidding? I'm still terminally geek, or why else whould I TYPE like this? I talk like this IRL, too. AAAAAAAAA.

Then I broke three toes in marching band, and discovered how GOOD it felt to express incredibly powerful, visceral emotions with taboo words. And after that, I went to college and started hanging out with people who weren't raised with the same etiquette drilled into me.

I guess what I trying to say is that cussing isn't for younger kids. So why should it be in such a widespread publication as Jump?

PS to Joe – what? I don't get it.

[GoAnderson]

@Bloodfoot:

I guess what I trying to say is that cussing isn't for younger kids. So why should it be in such a widespread publication as Jump?

Yes. The fact of the matter is, irregardless of what a few forum-goers say on a message board, that America is a Christian nation. Cursing is not allowable in a Christian nation. Therefore, there will logically be no cursing in such a wide-spread medium like Shonen (read: young) Jump. I don't really care, mostly, if they cut out the big ones. But I would hope a "damn" or "hell" would be allowed, given circumstances like Nami's betrayal… and the fact that no one says "curse you." But, alas, it is not so; and I really couldn't care less.

What's important, to those who desire cursing, is the visualization. Just imagine your words there instead of the watered-down ones; it works wonders. Try it sometime.

[Bounty1Berry]

@joekido:

What? Can you make that clear? Cussing is what everyone wants in the manga, people want to hear "Damn, Shit, Bastard, Fuck, Crap, Ass etc etc etc" in the manga.

Okay, I would take you seriously except for the word 'cuss'. God, I hate that euphemism.

I don't think it's necessary to pepper the dialogue with extra cursing as a form of fan service. When cursing is called for, it need not be the "heavy duty" words. As I said, would "damn" even make sense in the world Oda's portrayed? To me, Baratie-era Sanji seems almost comical with the "every noun has crap- on it" thing… like he has some sort of misgrasp of the language.

Conversely, I despise attempts to sanitize language.

:Edit -- Combining responses:

America is NOT a Christian nation. We are officially a secular nation, DESPITE what a fairly large number of religious zealots may believe. This is an important value, one which the American founders were remarkably perceptive in realising-- despite the fact most of them were indeed Protestant Christians, and one worth defending.

It's a shame, but we tend to allow a relatively small set of narrow minds (parenting groups, for example) to define the level of discourse suitable for the many. We really shouldn't.

Sadly, not only do we edit down to "safe" levels, but to nonrealistic ones. I will gladly accept and embrace profanity as long as it's "sensible". When you're peppering your dialogue with profanity as fan-service or just to push the envelope (Baratie Sanji), it's probably not strictly necessary. But it sounds a thousand times worse when we "protect kiddies" by stripping words they'll hear from their friends and family and strangers.

If Oda put it in, try and translate it reasonably, but taking into account the intended meaning and audience-- what you're going for is equivalent effect, because in a way, the purpose of expletives is to give emotional punch, and it might not really matter if it's the F word, the S word or some other.

[Bounty1Berry]

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[Bloodfoot]

@GoAnderson:

Yes. The fact of the matter is, irregardless of what a few forum-goers say on a message board, that America is a Christian nation. Cursing is not allowable in a Christian nation. Therefore, there will logically be no cursing in such a wide-spread medium like Shonen (read: young) Jump. I don't really care, mostly, if they cut out the big ones. But I would hope a "damn" or "hell" would be allowed, given circumstances like Nami's betrayal… and the fact that no one says "curse you." But, alas, it is not so; and I really couldn't care less.

What's important, to those who desire cursing, is the visualization. Just imagine your words there instead of the watered-down ones; it works wonders. Try it sometime.

Religion in America is really a "tail wagging the dog" issue. And there's no nice way for me to say this but… it's pretty clear that you're about halfway through high school and are going through a "religion is for tools" phase. Or something similar.

I hope you can understand that I'm not trying to make a personal attack or look down on you, but just making an observation based on your presented opinion.

[joekido the Second]

@Zephos:

What part of emotional empowerment didn't your get?

Emotional empowerment is not a bad idea, I'm just saying that you don't always need to cuss to empower your emotions. When I bang my head on the wall and yelled "OW! FUCK IT!" My mom would say "Hey relax and don't say that". So cussing is very senstive to some socality. An emotional empowerment with a cussing is always nessessary, but I do agree that Nami should say "Damn you! Arlong". I guess Viz might have someone from 4kids working there.

@Zephos:

Thats not how the world views it. The average person dosen't care if someone talks down someones choice of clothing as compared to someone yelling out FUCK.

Agreed, that is how the world works and I can't stop that. I cuss so I can't justifiy that

@Zephos:

It makes it BETTER, it makes the dialouge realistic. Few people say Darn or Heck. And NOBODY says "curse you".

I remamber people saying that mind you

@Zephos:

You need to grow up then. :sleep:
P.S: Beware of college.

I'm not grown in my mind. I lived in a unhealthy enviroment with a abusive father and a mother stuffering his shit. So untie I have a healthy brain I will grow up.

@Zephos:

DAMAGES?
Are you actually attempting to asess public taste? Or are you basing this entirely off your own uncommon word fears.

Olny to some people but not all of you. Yet the cussing words that I don't like is Fuck.
Damn, Shit, Bitch, Ass, Bastard is fine. Viz mybe wanted to tone it down so the story will not be "polluted" with cussing IMO. Viz just have to stay away from the word "Fuck".

@Zephos:

Cussing dosen't make you look mature. Its just use of powerful words is all. But it sure as hell dosen't make you stupid.

Olny if you take it offenes it makes you stupid, cussing is used right olny when something emotional happened.

@Zaphos:

How old are you Joe. At the stage where people cuss to be cool?
There's a plateau of maturity beyond that where people cuss but no one cares. Its casual.

I'm 24 old, I'm a battered son with a mess-up thinking. I always never make an healthy opition. I just don't agree on some cuss motive. I'll be a fucken hyprocrite if I said "Well, I never cuss, I hate cuss" when I had cussed many times before.

@Zaphos:

People just do it….. Swears are Adjectives and Nouns and Verbs. Like any other word. Except with more power behind them.
Nobody over 14 does it to be cool, they do it....just because its no big deal. My parents, respectable, upper-middle class, english teacher/2nd grade teacher, actors in Shakespeare at the local community level.
They swear.
No word has education value. Why hold swears to a different standard.

My father swear, my mother rarely swear, my brother swear but when I say a cuss word he'll say "no cussing". So everyone has differant thinking and cussing is everwhere.
And people think cussing you more power but I don't blame them because it's their opition.

[OUOTE=Zephos]
One last thing.
THESE WORDS ARE ONLY MONSTERS BECAUSE OF FEELINGS LIKE YOURS. THEY ARE JUST COMBINATIONS OF LETTERS. THEY ARE ONLY OFFENSIVE WHEN PEOPLE TAKE OFFENSE.

I never said you'll go to hell when you cuss. I'm just saying cussing is not always nessessary

[GoAnderson]

@Bounty1Berry:

Okay, I would take you seriously except for the word 'cuss'. God, I hate that euphemism.

I don't think it's necessary to pepper the dialogue with extra cursing as a form of fan service. When cursing is called for, it need not be the "heavy duty" words. As I said, would "damn" even make sense in the world Oda's portrayed? To me, Baratie-era Sanji seems almost comical with the "every noun has crap- on it" thing… like he has some sort of misgrasp of the language.

Conversely, I despise attempts to sanitize language.

:Edit -- Combining responses:

America is NOT a Christian nation. We are officially a secular nation, DESPITE what a fairly large number of religious zealots may believe. This is an important value, one which the American founders were remarkably perceptive in realising-- despite the fact most of them were indeed Protestant Christians, and one worth defending.

It's a shame, but we tend to allow a relatively small set of narrow minds (parenting groups, for example) to define the level of discourse suitable for the many. We really shouldn't.

Sadly, not only do we edit down to "safe" levels, but to nonrealistic ones. I will gladly accept and embrace profanity as long as it's "sensible". When you're peppering your dialogue with profanity as fan-service or just to push the envelope (Baratie Sanji), it's probably not strictly necessary. But it sounds a thousand times worse when we "protect kiddies" by stripping words they'll hear from their friends and family and strangers.

If Oda put it in, try and translate it reasonably, but taking into account the intended meaning and audience-- what you're going for is equivalent effect, because in a way, the purpose of expletives is to give emotional punch, and it might not really matter if it's the F word, the S word or some other.

"Officially," yeah. "Officially" we're secular. But, who listens to officialness? Is officialness even a word? XD

I believe that… this was the basis for my post. Our president (I refuse to capitalize), Bush, has voiced his religion many times. There's a wide tug-of-war between creationism and evolution in schools; too close to count on that one, I'll concede. But, on the flipside, "Christian" values have overtaken the nation – anti-abortionism and anti-homosexuality seem to be prevalent in many areas; in others they're just a strong minority or something. Whatever; they're vocal in their hatin' of everything the Bible "officially" says is wrong.

To them I say: please, don't push your "facts" on me. Get the fuck out of my face.

... See? I used that for emphasis. It's useful, people. =3

All joking and serious discussion aside, yes, Oda – if an English-speaking comic writer -- may have wanted some strong language in One Piece. It makes sense; they're pirates, and pirates are foul-mouths (save a few stupid sayings like 'shiver me timbers' in the mainstream), right? I do agree, that if Oda puts something out there, it should be translated correctly, with reference to the culture of the nation it's being transferred to. Having said that, I say that not even letting in "damn" and "hell" is ludicrous; that's bottom-of-the-barrel cursing, the tame stuff. Why NOT allow children to hear words they've probably already heard, and that they'll continue to hear throughout their lives, most likely?

... I hate long posts. =/

[Bounty1Berry]

Suddenly, I'm reminded of the "This week in excessive censorship" segment on one of the late night shows. They take normal shows or exerpts from C-Span or whatever, and then bleep key words which makes them dirtier than they ever were.

Here's my advice. Buy a black marker. Black over every one of the debased curse-words, then let your mind loose.

[GoAnderson]

@Bloodfoot:

Religion in America is really a "tail wagging the dog" issue. And there's no nice way for me to say this but… it's pretty clear that you're about halfway through high school and are going through a "religion is for tools" phase. Or something similar.

I hope you can understand that I'm not trying to make a personal attack or look down on you, but just making an observation based on your presented opinion.

Eh? Oh, no. I'm religious in my own way. I don't think religion is for "tools" at all. Heck, I don't even know exactly what people mean by "tool." What I believe is in a personal relationship with a creator deity; just a sort of semi-casual friendship, with a healthy dose of reverance mixed in. Dunno if I'd get called a heretic/blasphemer for that, but hey, I don't really care much about that. I am, however, halfway through high school. That much you hit on the spot.

I can understand where my pessimism could be construed as such, so, yeah; you can think as you like. But I am my own person, just as you are. Feel free to make any observation you like about me, positive, negative, etc. As long as you don't go being an ass about it, I'm welcome to constructive criticism.

If I offended anyone, by the way, then I'm sorry.

Edit: Uh… What happened to my quoted post? O_O

[Zio]

Ugh. "Curse you" is such a weak substitute for something as minor as "Damn you". Unless the "Curse you" was used in hilarious context like Invader Zim cursing snack machines at a dead end.

Which brings me to the bulk of the post. "Damn", "Fuck", "Shit, etc. are just words, it's the context that offends people. Shonen Jump's PG-13, right? They should be able to get away with a "damn" or a "hell" here or there if they go with something simular to the movies where saying "Fuck" more than once equals a R rating. Should kids be swearing up a storm? No. But hey, THAT'S WHAT PARENTS ARE FOR! (Along with feeding the little monkeys and concieving them.)

Come on, joekido. Even the boy in the bubble had a deck of cards and swore when he lost at poker.

And now I end my rambling with this: If I had money, I would buy Shonen Jump or decent GN's from Viz.

[Zephos]

Emotional empowerment is not a bad idea, I'm just saying that you don't always need to cuss to empower your emotions.

True, but the real problem is with what they put INSTEAD. "Curse you"
its just lame and ineffectual.

When I bang my head on the wall and yelled "OW! FUCK IT!" My mom would say "Hey relax and don't say that". So cussing is very senstive to some socality.

But this is private media. Those who do not want to buy it, may not. Nothing will force it in thier face.

I'm not grown in my mind. I lived in a unhealthy enviroment with a abusive father and a mother stuffering his shit. So untie I have a healthy brain I will grow up.

I have a friend who was scared of swearing for years. Sad.
but hey, the fact of the matter is theres nothing to fear from words. You work at that.

Olny to some people but not all of you. Yet the cussing words that I don't like is Fuck.
Damn, Shit, Bitch, Ass, Bastard is fine. Viz mybe wanted to tone it down so the story will not be "polluted" with cussing IMO. Viz just have to stay away from the word "Fuck".

Well yhea. Fuck dosen't fit in OP. The ones your fine with are all I ask of Viz.

[OUOTE=Zephos]
One last thing.
THESE WORDS ARE ONLY MONSTERS BECAUSE OF FEELINGS LIKE YOURS. THEY ARE JUST COMBINATIONS OF LETTERS. THEY ARE ONLY OFFENSIVE WHEN PEOPLE TAKE OFFENSE.

I never said you'll go to hell when you cuss. I'm just saying cussing is not always nessessary

I know you didn't. That was about…..like....
Fear turns a harmless thing into a monster. Like Senator Mcarthy..... or the Salem whitch trials. Sort of.

[Malintex_Terek]

@Cap'n:

What a silly reason.

Why? With the money I saved from witholding my subscription, plus numerous other luxuries, I could buy another quarter's worth of education at my UC.

[Voodzik]

@Malintex_Terek:

I refused to purchase anymore Shonen Jump because of Zoro's name change. It's a pity, really, because I was a die hard customer. =/

Please excuse my yelling, but this always ticks me off:

NEWS FLASH: THE NAME ZORO IS COPYRIGHTED IN THE STATES! AS SOON AS IT WENT ON TELEVISION THEY COULD GET SUED TO THEIR LAST PENNY FOR USING IT, BECAUSE THE FOX PEOPLE WERE PAYING ATTENTION! COPYRIGHT LAW IS NOT A MINOR INCONVENIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, sorry, sorry, I live with an author and we're always having to run around and worry about copyright stuff, and it drives me nuts when people don't allow for it

[KatanaJon1.1]

NEWS FLASH: THE NAME ZORO IS COPYRIGHTED IN THE STATES! AS SOON AS IT WENT ON TELEVISION THEY COULD GET SUED TO THEIR LAST PENNY FOR USING IT,

No they can't.

---

[Ubiq]

@Voodzik:

Sorry, sorry, sorry, I live with an author and we're always having to run around and worry about copyright stuff

Names cannot be copyrighted.

[Matt]

Are you sure? In the DBZ boudoaki games next to the characters name they have either TM or the copyright symbol.

[madri]

They cannot be copyrighted: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ34.html#names – However, they can be trademarked. I'm not that knowledgeable about the law, so I really don't know how all of that works, but that's how it is.

[Carly]

^ Bingo. I could use, say, the name Ronald Bilius Weasley in my own work of fiction, but so long as it's not the exact character from Rowling's novels, then I'm all in the clear.

[Ubiq]

@Matt:

Are you sure? In the DBZ boudoaki games next to the characters name they have either TM or the copyright symbol.

Names can be trademarked for merchandising reasons.

Strictly speaking, the copyright sign  is no longer necessary, but many continue to use it anyway, often incorrectly, simply to denote that the work in question is copyrighted. DBZ Budokai, for example, should have a copyright mark following it as it's an original work (the name itself cannot be copyrighted, but the work can be), Goku on the other hand shouldn't. It can have either trademark symbols following it, but using a  is incorrect. Most people don't really pay attention to such things, so it's a fairly common mistake. It's a bit like pronouncing forte "fort-ay" instead of "fort" despite the word meaning, it's a mistake that's so common that it's actually more commonly used than the correct version.

A trademark can be designated via two different signs:

â„¢
Â

The latter indicates a registered trademark and should have been used instead of a copyright symbol.

[Bloodfoot]

"Zorro" is trademarked.

Can we not do this again? Unless either Viz Communications or 4Kids Entertainment release an official docment detailing the decision to use "Zolo" over "Zoro," this fight will go on forever amongst people who have no law training.

And now I'm going to yell.

STOP IT ALREADY, IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE THIS STARTED. NO ONE HAS ANY NEW MATERIAL TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION. ALL THAT IS LEFT IS FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY ARMCHAIR LAWYER OVER THE INTERNET.

[Dragon Warrior Steve]

You think "Curse you" is bad? How about Shaman King's "To heck with you!" or Yu Yu Hakusho's endless fun of crappy words; "Aw spit, darn tootin', hurt real bad."

[Zephos]

One Piece has heck.

And I actually think YuYuHakushos wierd ass …...phrases ....... fit.:mellow:

[joekido the Second]

@Bloodfoot:

"Zorro" is trademarked.

Can we not do this again? Unless either Viz Communications or 4Kids Entertainment release an official docment detailing the decision to use "Zolo" over "Zoro," this fight will go on forever amongst people who have no law training.

And now I'm going to yell.

STOP IT ALREADY, IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE THIS STARTED. NO ONE HAS ANY NEW MATERIAL TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION. ALL THAT IS LEFT IS FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY ARMCHAIR LAWYER OVER THE INTERNET.

I Agree, who cares if "Zoro" is called "Zolo". I don't, just because 4kids and Viz called him Zolo does not mean I'll call him that. I still use Zoro and like I said back in the old forums "It' not like the climb through your window and pointed a gun in your head, forcing you to call him Zolo!" This "Zolo" arguement is so fucking stupid and some people were like "WTF!? ZORO IS NOW CALLED ZOLO!!!! QUICK! RUN FOR YOUR DAMN LIFE! ONE PIECE IS RUINED!!! THIS IS THE SIGN OF THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAA
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I regret being obessessed with One Piece, I fuck the day I frist know about it -_-''''''''

[Bounty1Berry]

The November issue represents the first time I actually bought Shonen Jump.

It also likely represents the last.

$5.50 for three chapters. Fine, I'll accept it figuring if I like it I'll buy a subscription and get it for 3.00 a copy. If I like one other series in there, it's a good value.

So the cover announces "free OP pin-up inside". Disappointment time: It's not Kuroobi porn– it's the colour spread. How the hell do I remove it without ruining the magazine?

The paper quality's worse than the tankos, but the format is larger. Still, tolerable.

Every second or third page has a solicitation for tankos. Very cutesy, obviously worded to fit with the story action. But annoying as sin!

No SBS, and only one of the inter-chapter pages was OP-related, half a page of inferior and self-promotional fanart, and half a page poking at Arlong-sama.

I paid $5.50 for this?!

We interrupt an on-topic message for a return to the Zoro-Zolo squabble.

A casual search at the Patent and Trademark Office website (uspto.gov) shows two claims on Zoro for trademarks--an abandoned claim for modems, and one about things like pens and jewlery. The Roronoa Zolo that was registered is also listed; ironically there are far more Zolo trademarks in play than Zoro.

[funkyfunkyusopp]

Ah 8's out now? I ain't even got 7 yet -slow- x.x

I still read despite Zoro being ZOLO tho it makes me grit my teeth.

[Strange_One]

I'm sorry, but Luffy yelling "DARN YOU!" at Mihawk when he thought 'Zolo' was freaking DEAD and Ren saying "TO HECK WITH YOU!" to someone he hates are both a bit corny. A "WHY, YOU-!" or a "DIE!" would have sufficed. Either some up with something that isn't horribly corny or cliched, or have some guts and cuss every once in a while. It gets on my nerves that other GNs (Hunter X Hunter, Bleach) are relatively well translated, but we get the "shiver me timbers!" kiddie crap in OP.

When I was reading the "RIGHT!" bit, though, I had that kick-ass background music from the anime playing in my head. I think I've watched the Arlong arc too many times…

[Bloodfoot]

@Bounty1Berry:

The November issue represents the first time I actually bought Shonen Jump.

It also likely represents the last.

$5.50 for three chapters. Fine, I'll accept it figuring if I like it I'll buy a subscription and get it for 3.00 a copy. If I like one other series in there, it's a good value.

So the cover announces "free OP pin-up inside". Disappointment time: It's not Kuroobi porn– it's the colour spread. How the hell do I remove it without ruining the magazine?

Get a razor. And be careful.

The paper quality's worse than the tankos, but the format is larger. Still, tolerable.

Higher-quality paper would jack up the price. Also, Jump is really a huge advertisement for the collected volumes. Ever seen a real Weekly Jump? If I'm remembering this right, the US Jump has better paper compared to that.

Every second or third page has a solicitation for tankos. Very cutesy, obviously worded to fit with the story action. But annoying as sin!

All the better to sell to 11-year olds, my dear.

No SBS, and only one of the inter-chapter pages was OP-related, half a page of inferior and self-promotional fanart, and half a page poking at Arlong-sama.

SBS are in the collected volumes. And Bog forbid that kids draw fanart for a series they love. How could they DO that to us?

I paid $5.50 for this?!

We interrupt an on-topic message for a return to the Zoro-Zolo squabble.

A casual search at the Patent and Trademark Office website (uspto.gov) shows two claims on Zoro for trademarks–an abandoned claim for modems, and one about things like pens and jewlery. The Roronoa Zolo that was registered is also listed; ironically there are far more Zolo trademarks in play than Zoro.

–-

It's just publication aimed at under-eighteens. We all really need to stop treating every little thing like a matter of life and death.

And me? I'm just defending simplicity with the same level of seriousness.

[Ubiq]

@Bounty1Berry:

So the cover announces "free OP pin-up inside". Disappointment time: It's not Kuroobi porn– it's the colour spread. How the hell do I remove it without ruining the magazine?

You just have to clip it out with scissors on the dotted line. A better choice would have to been to make it one of those posters that are attached to a piece of cardboard with adhesive.

Zoro for trademarks–an abandoned claim for modems, and one about things like pens and jewlery. The Roronoa Zolo that was registered is also listed; ironically there are far more Zolo trademarks in play than Zoro.

Well again, as I've pointed out before, Shueisha deliberately chose to register Roronoa Zolo as the trademark rather than Roronoa Zoro. They could have went with Zoro as the preferred spelling, but Zolo is what they trademarked and, as Shueisha owns Viz, the spelling they prefer is the one that Viz is going to use.

[joekido the Second]

@funkyfunkyusopp:

Ah 8's out now? I ain't even got 7 yet -slow- x.x

I still read despite Zoro being ZOLO tho it makes me grit my teeth.

"Sigh" Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo Zolo

There, are you griting your theeth more? Ready to go on a killing spree? Want me to write this 100 more times to make you grit your theeth so hard it can break? I'll do so.

[Bounty1Berry]

@Bloodfoot:

Get a razor. And be careful.

I suppose it's as much my fault as theirs. Pinup means one thing to me, and colour-spread another.

Higher-quality paper would jack up the price. Also, Jump is really a huge advertisement for the collected volumes. Ever seen a real Weekly Jump? If I'm remembering this right, the US Jump has better paper compared to that.

Well, from what I recall (mentioned in a SBS), Weekly Jump costs something like Y210– about $2. For a rag that size at $2, they have an excuse. At $6, it's the same price and size of many other magazines which are all-glossy. It seemed to have not-so-many advertisements as say PC Gamer, but a lot of content which was nearly ads and therefore worthy of kickbacks at least.

All the better to sell to 11-year olds, my dear.

I'm pretty sure 9 out of 10 11 year-olds would consider the bottom ads obnoxious too.

SBS are in the collected volumes. And Bog forbid that kids draw fanart for a series they love. How could they DO that to us?

Well, I have no problem with fanart in the abstract. I disliked, in fact, that there was relatively little. I'd love to see more. I was also annoyed that some of it was clearly self-promotional for the magazine (one was a drawing of Luffy stretching to another ship to help himself to some copies, another was Patty and Carne saying something about the magazine). I recall a lot of the gaming magazines did fanart in the day; often they'd get lovely work done without it having to say "Wow! Mario is a Gamepro reader!"

It's just publication aimed at under-eighteens. We all really need to stop treating every little thing like a matter of life and death.

As someone who wants to read One Piece, and is willing to spend good money for the privelege of doing so, I am front and centre in their marketing target.

Right now, all they can offer me is "you don't have to wait quite as long to see the chapter in question". And I can get that from scanlations.

Besides: It's a One Piece forum. We're here because we're obsessed.

[Bloodfoot]

On price – that's becuause the market in Japan dwarfs the English-speaking market. They can afford to do it that way.

On the fanart -- Jump is the only way most of these kids will see any manga at all, at least until they go looking on the web for longer than ten minutes. To them, the mag is a Bogsend.

On obsession -- But we don't have to be angry and divisive about it. There's better ways to participate in the fandom than this.

[Zephos]

Weekly Jump paper quality is much worse…

The American fanart they show does suck.....mostly

Pinup....that awesome.....they now have one thing over the original Tanko's......

Most of us ARE under 18 Bloodfoot:mellow:

And for some reason Zolo only bothers me in the dub

[Matt]

The paper quality is actually pretty good, its not faded at all like WSJ. And you said you paid 5.50 for three chapters. If you only got it because of One Piece then get the graphic novels, there are 5 other titles in there. I have a subscription for $30 which is like $2.50 a month for 300 pages of manga. Of course some titles like One Piece and Naruto I've already read and I probabley won't subscribe much longer but its a good deal.