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      @DHL:

      Hmm, that must have been the question back in the days.

      Talking about One Piece chapters one by one now won't have the same effect as it did when the chapter was released. Very intereting, thanks for sharing
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      I have a couple OP friends I hang out with. It's cool and all, forums are just much better. There's a load of people willing to debate things

      Very true. It is different as in many questions one might have during an arc will be known. The discussion is very different as you can read some chapters and compare it to later stuff, seeing differences and similarities. So while many of us will never get to have the discussion like we have with the current stuff, still great stuff to discuss with a reread. Speaking of Enes Lobby/Water Seven.

      One thing I've been noticing with rereading is how the villain of the arc/island has a certain trait they share with the character that joins the straw hats. With Morgan and Zoro, it's their name/status. Morgan uses his fame to control people in fear, and abuses his power. Zoro is feared because of his strength, but he is a nice guy in the end and he dreams of becoming bigger than his name already is. With Nami and Buggy, you have the idea of greed, but Buggy is ruthless and will harm anybody, while Nami only goes after pirates and won't go as far to kill, even if she hates them. With Usopp and Kuro, you have lying. Kuro knows how to make people believe him using tricks, which ends up almost killing the village. Usopp is up front and makes obvious lies, which almost back fires. As we learn in the end, the villagers did like Usopps lies, as it became a sort of morning ritual.

      So what does this have to do with Water Seven/Enes Lobby? Well, considering the fact that Usopp rejoined, we had a parallel with him and the villain again. We have Usopp the liar who has finally gone on his own adventures, but still lies about stuff. We then get a Kuro 2.0 in the form of Lucci. He worked as a carpenter for years, building up trust until the right moment. He is subtle and low key like Kuro, where once the betrayal happens it is a shock to everyone. His main mission is to take a person Usopp cares about and have her killed for circumstances that were beyond her control (Kaya and Robin parallel). Like with Kuro, Usopps job is to not take on the bad guy, but rescue the one he cares about. In the end, like Kuro, nobody finds out the truth about him. With all these parallels, it seems like foreshadowing that Usopp would join once everything was over.

      One thing I noticed this time around was that we learned why Morgan had a metal jaw, and how he got his status. He wasn't a great person by any means, as his status to captain was by Kuro's plan. Kuro smashed Morgans lower Jaw, and through hypnotism, got him and a random person to believe about Kuro being captured. Adds more to the Zoro/Morgan aspect, as Zoro earned his fame truthfully, while Morgan got his fame from a crafted plan that killed the wrong person.

      Besides the villain and new crewmember having similarities, each arc where the crew member comes in we learn about their "treasure", and get an idea of the islands "treasure". With Zoro, he treasures his swords, especially the one Kuina gave him. This is reinforced through the Meow Brothers, when one of them just tosses the swords. With Nami, it is actual gold, but she has standards when stealing. For Usopp, he values who he is. After everything is over, he wishes for the town to continue to see him as a liar, and not have them know about what went down. He also doesn't deny his pirate legacy, going so far to go violent when he is berated for it.

      One last thing I will say for now is that this is the first arc where a character quirk is a foreshadowing tool for Oda. We first meet Kuro as Khaladore, who we notice pushes his glasses up with the palm of his hands. What seems like a quirk later comes to show to be developed as a habit from his fighting style. Using swords as claws, he needed a safe way to readjust his glasses with his swords still on. We later get some quirks that have a much bigger meaning for a character, especially in Dressrosa with Baby 5s wanting to help others, and Senor Pinks attire.

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        @DHL:

        There was some other guy as well.. or was that Sabinis

        It was Dailyfibre.
        http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=41367
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          Just got finished up on the Drum arc and a little bit was mentioned in there but not yet been covered by the Manga as far as I know.
          It's the but about the country adopting Hiluluk's flag. I think Drum island was named Sakura island at some point in the anime but I can't remember anything else really shown. Unless there is something in the the Manga ahead that involved Dr Kuraharah as I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere about her dying.

          Edit: Oh just got as bit of Sanji saying he doesn't gawk at Okama as they are nearing Alabasta 😄

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            @Lazy_Monkey:

            When I hang out with my friends and I make a One Piece comment they look at me like if I have two heads,
            something inside me breaks every time that happens.

            I was able to convince a few of my friends to read the manga, and once they got caught up they loved it. I have one friend who has played One Piece games, and might be on the verge of trying the manga out. I have a friend who won't read it, and is convinced it can't be any good.

            @DHL:

            The worst is when people are like "yes I watch one piece"

            Me: cool! Do you read the manga??

            Person: Luffys the stretchy guy? I used to watch on TV. It was a cool show

            For a while, I thought I was in a minority that liked the series. I could ask people about it and they knew nothing about it, or they knew very little. Once I looked at internet forums, I found out that a lot of people liked it, and it is huge in Japan.

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            It was Dailyfibre.
            http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=41367
            He doesn't post much anymore.

            It sucks that he had to stop it, but going forward into Alabasta was going to be hard. Hopefully with this thread, people can be a bit more proactive and be able to just take chunks of information, instead of a thesis on each arc.

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            Just got finished up on the Drum arc and a little bit was mentioned in there but not yet been covered by the Manga as far as I know.
            It's the but about the country adopting Hiluluk's flag. I think Drum island was named Sakura island at some point in the anime but I can't remember anything else really shown. Unless there is something in the the Manga ahead that involved Dr Kuraharah as I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere about her dying.

            Edit: Oh just got as bit of Sanji saying he doesn't gawk at Okama as they are nearing Alabasta 😄

            I thought she was still alive, and we saw her on the deck of the new world cover page. As for the name, I don't remember hearing anything about that. Do you know which adaptation it was?

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              I thought she was still alive, and we saw her on the deck of the new world cover page. As for the name, I don't remember hearing anything about that. Do you know which adaptation it was?

              Sakura Island? I think I might have seen it in the anime. I'm not sure.

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                I think the kingdom was named Sakura, not the island.

                "In mad world, only the mad are sane."

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                  Just spotted a little Enel foreshadowing in Vol 20. Chapter 178
                  It's the cover picture with Vivi being romanced by a sea monster and she has one of those drum type things hanging off her arm

                  Edit: It's also the Desert Doodoo chapter 😄

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                    There really are parallels from the East Blue to the Grand Line, and it's looking like it will be the case for the New World as well.

                    So first major parallel is Baratie with Galley-la. Baratie has ex-pirates cooking, and also a place frequented by pirates. They will serve customers if they have money, but if they don't or try to dine and dash, the cooks are strong enough to beat up those people. You have people who are fans of certain cooks, and you get to see them Cheer on Pattie when beating up Gin. Galley-la operates the same way. They have very strong ship-wrights who will fix any ship. If the person pays, they don't do anything, but if they try to go away without paying, they get beat up and forced to pay. You also get an idea of certain ship-wrights having fans among the people. The two characters who join at the end have a connection to the person in charge, but one is less obvious at first.

                    The second major part is how there is a one sided fight that occurs. In the Baratie arc, Zoro fights Mihawk, the best swordsman in the world. The fight is easily one sided, where Mihawk uses a toy sword to easily stop Zoro's attack. Despite being capable of killing Zoro, he allows him to live. Before going to Water Seven, Luffy confronts an admiral, one of the strongest people in the world. Once again, the fight is one sided where Aokiji can't even be touched, and basically toys with Luffy. Aokiji spares Luffy in the end, allowing him to live. At the end of both fights, it gives motivation for both Zoro and Luffy to become stronger.

                    The third parallel is the idea of ship detachments. When starting the fight against Krieg, Pattie and another cook detach the head of the ship as a mobile vehicle that has a weapon. For this fight, it is ineffective. Later, when Franky joins, he comes up with ship detachments that are stored in compartments of the ship. The first one is the Merry Go, which is just a way to go to shore by leaving the ship in the ocean. Later in Fishman Island, Franky has mobile vehicles used for fighting. Franky goes a step further where he can attach to them to become General Franky.

                    Sanji and Krieg continue the show of how the villain is the same and different from the incoming crew member. Sanji has a dream but is being held back because he still has a promise to keep (which we find out what it is a little later). While he is a flirt and womanizer, when it comes to a hungry person, he will feed them no matter who they are. His job is a chef first, and because of an experience foreshadowed by Zeff, Sanji knows what it's like to have no food for a long time. Krieg also has a dream, but his arrogance and lack of knowledge. Unlike Sanji though, words and promises are meaningless. He claims that if he is fed, he will not harm anyone. As soon as gaining strength back, he attacks Sanji and is ready to take the ship. Gin is closer to Sanji in promises, as he apologizes about what happened. You get another nice contrast between Gin and Krieg, and wonder how things would be for the crew if Gin was in charge.

                    Krieg is often considered one of the worst antagonists of the series (at least by being memorable). The main reason is that there were bigger things to take away from this arc then Krieg. Mihawk appearing and the fight with Zoro is supposed to stick in our mind more than the fight with Krieg. The first thing we get is how Kriegs entire fleet was taken out by one man alone. When presented with Mihawk being the strongest swordsman, we are presented with one fact that will be taken through with the rest of the series, that there are monsters out there of unknown strength, and crossing one will mean certain death. Our first introduction of the character is Mihawk in a small boat having just cut up the main ship of Krieg. This shows just what kind of monster this man is, the one Zoro dreams of surpassing.

                    This is reinforced with the fight against Zoro. Mihawk berates Zoro, saying if he was any kind of swordsman, he would know that he doesn't stand a chance. He takes out the toy knife and tells Zoro that he isn't one to hunt a rabbit with a Cannon. At first the reader might think Mihawk is just a little cocky, but by easily stopping Zoro's best attack, his superiority is established. Another thing he says also becomes a little more relevant now as well, the fact that the East Blue is the tamest of the 4 seas. We've already seen monsters like Luffy and Zoro, and with Mihawk claiming that they are from the weakest sea, the reader wonders what kind of people are out there. It has been established now that everyone present are just insects compared to the carnivores that wait ahead. Also, it gives a good idea of the level Shanks must be at, which is established later on.

                    Lastly, the fight is there to also contrast Zoro with Sanji, and it does set up their relationship a bit for what it will become. Zoro refuses to retreat when stabbed by the toy sword. He says that by taking that step, he would be giving up his dream. This get Mihawk to respect him, and starts Zoro's true path to become the best swordsman. One thing that we see though is how Sanji comments on Zoro, claiming that if it is such a path to become the best, then it would be best to give up on said dream. Sanji is one who has given up on his dream, and the fact that Zoro in the face of a beast could stand firm in his conviction escapes him. This shows how that despite their feuds, Sanji has a certain respect for Zoro. This also is the tipping point where Sanji slowly warms back to his dream, and ultimately leaves Baratie for his dream with Luffy.

                    A few other points of the Mihawk fight stand out as well. One of the best moments is how Zoro turns around before being attacked in the back. When he tells Mihawk it's because back wounds are a swordsman shame, Mihawk is delighted and says "excellent". This is where Zoro becomes a somebody to Mihawk, and works really well too with Zoro later training under him, along with the little flashback in Dressrosa. Another part is where Krieg claims Mihawk is not really that strong, but just has a Devil Fruit. While we later learn Devil Fruits can be dangerous, we also come across those that don't have powers that are still insanely strong. Krieg claiming such a thing not only shows how ill-prepared he is, but how making that assumption can be costly. Lastly is how Luffy comes in at the very end. Mihawk says how he was a good crewmate to allow Zoro to fight on his own to the very end. This is now shown in Dressrosa, where Zoro could go help Luffy, but instead allows Luffy to fight alone.

                    So in the end, everything done shows how inept Krieg is, and the introduction of Mihawk only further shows how pathetic he is. So even the few impressive things Krieg shows (such as tossing the fish vehicle around) is unimpressive.

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                    Just spotted a little Enel foreshadowing in Vol 20. Chapter 178
                    It's the cover picture with Vivi being romanced by a sea monster and she has one of those drum type things hanging off her arm

                    Edit: It's also the Desert Doodoo chapter 😄

                    Is that really foreshadowing though? I mean it feels like Cover stuff foreshadowing stuff (excluding cover story stuff) is a bit of a stretch. The one someone pointed out Foreshadowing aces death seems to be a bit of a stretch, but that one seems even more of a stretch. Even if Oda admitted it to be foreshadowing to Enel, it seems pretty easy just to make a character design that incorporates it.

                    I've always been bad at this kind of stuff though, so I could just be blind to it being obvious.

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                      I just like to see things. I'm strange that way.

                      I'm currently on vol 21 Chapter 195 where Zoro is fighting Mr 1 and there is a part that makes me wonder if Zoro first had Haki then as he was feeling the "breath" of things.

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                        @Atuin:

                        I just like to see things. I'm strange that way.

                        I'm currently on vol 21 Chapter 195 where Zoro is fighting Mr 1 and there is a part that makes me wonder if Zoro first had Haki then as he was feeling the "breath" of things.

                        That's cool. I did see one that made me think Punk Hazard recently. Richie (lion from Buggies crew) was dreaming he was on a small boat (looked a lot like going merry), heading towards an island with a Dragon standing there and flames covering the land.

                        Well finished the Baratie stuff. Besides Krieg being forgettable, I forgot how good the arc was. Gin was a cool character, who despite being known as a Demon (like Zoro) has a soft side. In some ways, he makes me think of Bellamy in Dressrosa, where Gin admits looking at Krieg as his hero was a mistake, then after seeing Luffy in action becomes a fan of his. I really would like Gin to reappear again, as he wanted to meet again in the Grand Line, but it never happened. Wonder if there is a ever so slight chance he is the seventh shikibukai.

                        Sanji's backstory was the most brutal one we had seen yet, but the more interesting thing was how he contrasted with the prior members. Most of the rest were trying to achieve their dream/goal. Sanji had given up on his dream because of Zeff, but he still wished to see the all blue at some point. He also couldn't understand why Luffy and Zoro would go so far to keep fighting for their dream, as he said they should just give up. Luffy and Sanji's determination, along with the cooks, reignited his desire, allowing him to ultimately move on.

                        Also, I wonder if Pearl was to foreshadow Diable Jambe. Pearl covered his whole body in fire for fighting, and with the parallels of Baratie and Galley-La, seems like a good time for Sanji to make his debut of copying someone.

                        For those who are reading this thread, even if you don't want to reread the series, or are farther in rereading the series, please post your thoughts on this stuff. It doesn't have to be in depth, just if there were certain aspects you liked or didn't like, and other thoughts. This thread will be boring with no responses. If there is a certain part you are waiting to talk about, let me know and I'll try to get to that part a little faster. Though that will be hard since now it's time for Arlong Park, which still to this day is damn good by One Piece standards, and is usually the arc that cemented readers to the series.

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                          Speaking of Arlong Park, remember when we first met the Fishmen and our impression of them were that they were racist jerks. Then chapters later it is shown that Fishmen have faced worse discrimination from humans than the other way around. I do have to say that looking back Arlong Park was the first step into how Oda would tackle the issue of racism.

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                            @jazzflower92:

                            Speaking of Arlong Park, remember when we first met the Fishmen and our impression of them were that they were racist jerks. Then chapters later it is shown that Fishmen have faced worse discrimination from humans than the other way around. I do have to say that looking back Arlong Park was the first step into how Oda would tackle the issue of racism.

                            Yeah, with Fishman Island done, you can appreciate it a little more. I'm impressed that Nami didn't become racist, because she could've just hated Fishman, not pirates, with how her situation was in the past. I think that sheds a better light on her character, that she affiliated her hate towards a choice of life, not the fact that it was a single race that caused her problems.

                            With the introduction of Noizumi and the conversation with Arlong, there was a few things I noticed. One, I never realized until now that Arlong despised human males. Noizumi was the first human male that he could get along with didn't despise. What does that mean for Females? Most likely it was a subtle hint for Nami, but maybe there was more for that? There was Koala from the FI flashback, but that seems a stretch.

                            With the racism part, you have Noizumi point out that fishman are weird, but have their uses. This is a more subtle racism aspect, where he still looks down on them, but stays in cahoots because of the benefits. This is even more apparent with the lack of hanging out with them, as he comes and then leaves, only talking business. Arlong has the more apparent racist aspects, calling humans dirt and saying they are more evolved.

                            Also have to hand it to Nami. Despite everything, she still never stooped to the level of what she hated. Zoro tried to blow her cover, but by being brutal to Zoro, she was able to save face. This comes up more a little later with Usopp.

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                              Nice to see a thread for talking about old One Piece stuff too!

                              I've read the manga volume-by-volume since it was first released in Finland. I remember that my first reaction was something like "this is pretty weird… but I kinda like it?" I look fondly back to how awkward the finnish translation was in the first volume (for example, Zoro was called L'ollonois Zolo, but it was changed immediately in the second volume). What I liked about the first chapters was the immediate mutual respect Zoro and Luffy had for each other. I think my favorite panels from the first volume would have to be where Luffy says "Nice, Zoro!" and he responds with "no problem, captain". I feel like they established a relationship all the way back then that has not faltered along the journey.

                              Little things that stood out from the next volumes:

                              • I remember that when the end of volume 1 mentioned that Buggy had also eaten a devil fruit, at first I thought it meant that he could stretch too. 😄 Oh, One Piece would have been so boring if devil fruits gave out only one power.
                              • When Luffy punches Moji, it was weird to see Luffy to make a seriously angry face for the first time. It seemed a bit out of place back then.
                              • I always liked how Oda dropped seemingly random details about characters in the first volumes, and they later became relevant. Nami's "I hate pirates, but I like money and tangerines" comes to mind.
                              • The first time that One Piece made me laugh out loud was when Usopp asked the gang what they can do. "I cut" "I stretch" "I steal" "...I hide" :')
                              • I always forget how much fun Johnny and Yozaku were. Plus, it was really cool that they met former colleagues of Zoro who were shocked to see he had joined a pirate crew.

                              While I had grown fond of One Piece with the first 5 volumes, it was volume 6 that sealed the deal. The twist between Zoro and Mihawk was so unexpected and gave so much promise of things to come, I was completely hooked. Plus the oath Zoro makes to Luffy was cool as heck. I always thought it was weird that this moment hasn't been the defining point for many other readers (everyone just mentions Arlong Park). Volume 7 was a bit of a disappointment, because Luffy was all ready to kick ass at the end of vol 6 but he wasn't even able to do much in 7. Pearl was such a fodder villain, he was weird but not really funny and he was just there to beat Sanji up. But Sanji's backstory was very memorable anyway, Zeff eating his own leg was shocking for sure. I especially liked how Sanji's story related to Luffy's. Well, I liked vol 8 much better and it was only uphill from there...

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                                Yeah, with Fishman Island done, you can appreciate it a little more. I'm impressed that Nami didn't become racist, because she could've just hated Fishman, not pirates, with how her situation was in the past. I think that sheds a better light on her character, that she affiliated her hate towards a choice of life, not the fact that it was a single race that caused her problems.

                                With the introduction of Noizumi and the conversation with Arlong, there was a few things I noticed. One, I never realized until now that Arlong despised human males. Noizumi was the first human male that he could get along with didn't despise. What does that mean for Females? Most likely it was a subtle hint for Nami, but maybe there was more for that? There was Koala from the FI flashback, but that seems a stretch.

                                With the racism part, you have Noizumi point out that fishman are weird, but have their uses. This is a more subtle racism aspect, where he still looks down on them, but stays in cahoots because of the benefits. This is even more apparent with the lack of hanging out with them, as he comes and then leaves, only talking business. Arlong has the more apparent racist aspects, calling humans dirt and saying they are more evolved.

                                Also have to hand it to Nami. Despite everything, she still never stooped to the level of what she hated. Zoro tried to blow her cover, but by being brutal to Zoro, she was able to save face. This comes up more a little later with Usopp.

                                Arlong's belief that Fishmen are more evolved seems to stem from the fact that until 200 years ago Fishmen/Merefolk were considered just another type of fish. When you consider that it make sense why Arlong would have that twisted mindset.

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                                  Yeah, with Fishman Island done, you can appreciate it a little more. I'm impressed that Nami didn't become racist, because she could've just hated Fishman, not pirates, with how her situation was in the past. I think that sheds a better light on her character, that she affiliated her hate towards a choice of life, not the fact that it was a single race that caused her problems.

                                  The way I see it, she must have originally blamed Fishmen.
                                  But over time, as she met countless pirates, she came to the realization that race doesn't really matter that much when it comes to pirates.
                                  She could see for herself that pirates are despicable, regardless of their race.

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                                  With the introduction of Noizumi and the conversation with Arlong, there was a few things I noticed. One, I never realized until now that Arlong despised human males. Noizumi was the first human male that he could get along with didn't despise. What does that mean for Females? Most likely it was a subtle hint for Nami, but maybe there was more for that? There was Koala from the FI flashback, but that seems a stretch.

                                  With the racism part, you have Noizumi point out that fishman are weird, but have their uses. This is a more subtle racism aspect, where he still looks down on them, but stays in cahoots because of the benefits. This is even more apparent with the lack of hanging out with them, as he comes and then leaves, only talking business. Arlong has the more apparent racist aspects, calling humans dirt and saying they are more evolved.

                                  Also have to hand it to Nami. Despite everything, she still never stooped to the level of what she hated. Zoro tried to blow her cover, but by being brutal to Zoro, she was able to save face. This comes up more a little later with Usopp.

                                  I see Nezumi as a much more racist person than Arlong. Arlong mostly cared about strength and use of people, and called Humans dirt because they were useless and weak compared to Fishmen, which was actually quite true, even if a pretty wrong way of looking at people.
                                  Nezumi, on the other hand, looked down upon Fishmen for much more superficial reasons.
                                  I sometimes wonder if Nezumi was foreshadowing the general treatment of Fishmen by people around the world.

                                  Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.

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                                    Arlong's belief that Fishmen are more evolved seems to stem from the fact that until 200 years ago Fishmen/Merefolk were considered just another type of fish. When you consider that it make sense why Arlong would have that twisted mindset.

                                    That and just what he himself witnessed during his time with Fisher Tiger. He seemed like a bit of a dick in the past, but seemed to become more twisted after what happened to his brother, and became even worse when his other brother became a government dog (which was nicely explained when one of Zoro's friends said the Shikibukai are also called the Governments Dogs). After that it became about power, and he wanted to build an empire to spread the rights of fishmen everywhere.

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                                    The way I see it, she must have originally blamed Fishmen.
                                    But over time, as she met countless pirates, she came to the realization that race doesn't really matter that much when it comes to pirates.
                                    She could see for herself that pirates are despicable, regardless of their race.

                                    I see Nezumi as a much more racist person than Arlong. Arlong mostly cared about strength and use of people, and called Humans dirt because they were useless and weak compared to Fishmen, which was actually quite true, even if a pretty wrong way of looking at people.
                                    Nezumi, on the other hand, looked down upon Fishmen for much more superficial reasons.
                                    I sometimes wonder if Nezumi was foreshadowing the general treatment of Fishmen by people around the world.

                                    She could've done that, but we don't have any way of knowing. We know for sure she doesn't like bad people, and only became a pirate because Luffy, despite being a pirate, was a good person. Either way, still good on her that she didn't become a racist.

                                    Nezumi probably is more racist than Arlong, and just more subtle about it. I do sometimes wonder about the treatment of Fishmen, because there have only been a select number of times which it has come up, being Saobody and Fishmen Island. Every other place lacked fishmen that you can't get a complete sense of how widespread the bigotry might be.

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                                      That and just what he himself witnessed during his time with Fisher Tiger. He seemed like a bit of a dick in the past, but seemed to become more twisted after what happened to his brother, and became even worse when his other brother became a government dog (which was nicely explained when one of Zoro's friends said the Shikibukai are also called the Governments Dogs). After that it became about power, and he wanted to build an empire to spread the rights of fishmen everywhere.

                                      She could've done that, but we don't have any way of knowing. We know for sure she doesn't like bad people, and only became a pirate because Luffy, despite being a pirate, was a good person. Either way, still good on her that she didn't become a racist.

                                      Nezumi probably is more racist than Arlong, and just more subtle about it. I do sometimes wonder about the treatment of Fishmen, because there have only been a select number of times which it has come up, being Saobody and Fishmen Island. Every other place lacked fishmen that you can't get a complete sense of how widespread the bigotry might be.

                                      You should read this person's interpretation of the Nezumi/Arlong dynamic:
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                                        While I had grown fond of One Piece with the first 5 volumes, it was volume 6 that sealed the deal. The twist between Zoro and Mihawk was so unexpected and gave so much promise of things to come, I was completely hooked. Plus the oath Zoro makes to Luffy was cool as heck. I always thought it was weird that this moment hasn't been the defining point for many other readers (everyone just mentions Arlong Park).

                                        I agree with you that Zoros and Mihawks fight is the first really, really great moment of One Piece, but I think the reason that Arlong Park is considered the defining point, as you said, for many readers is that the fight is just a great, memorable part of an arc that otherwise isnt all that well-liked. While the Baratie arc itself is not bad, it does have a number of weak points, like a mediocre villain in Krieg and a not that involving plot ( a bunch of pirates want to steal a ship from a bunch of cooks….hum). The fight is between Mihawk and Zoro is easily the highpoint of the arc, but it isnt even very connected to the main plot of the arc. Of course, there are other good points, but in general, it just doesn`t compare to Arlong Park arc, which does just about everything right. From Namis apparent betrayal to her incredible backstory (especially great in the anime, btw. Watching the episodes pulls at my heartstrings every single time.), to a group of great villains (Chuu is kinda meh, but the rest are great), to a bunch of great, likeable supporting characters (love Genzo and Nojiko, and of course, Bellmere), to the march to Arlong Park and the great fights featuring awesome moments for all the crew members, and lastly to the final confrontation between Arlong and Luffy and the wrap-up of the arc....everything is done perfectly. The fight between Zoro and Mihawk shows the reader for the first time how badass and cool One Piece can be, but the Arlong Park shows what a good story Oda can tell.

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                                          Baratie Arc was awesome. Forget about Zoro vs Mihawk. What about Zeff's flashback? Sanji's farewell to Baratie?

                                          I have a feeling the dislike for Krieg comes down to design. Other than that, Krieg's is characterized pretty perfectly. He's what Luffy isn't, just like every villain in East Blue (Arlong included). Gin was also pretty interesting, he was Bellamy before Bellamy was Bellamy.

                                          That's not to say Arlong Arc wasn't great, it has all the stuff you listed. (The only part I didn't like was the fact that Nami's flashback just made her somewhat useless for the rest of the arc)

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                                            Baratie Arc was awesome. Forget about Zoro vs Mihawk. What about Zeff's flashback? Sanji's farewell to Baratie?

                                            I have a feeling the dislike for Krieg comes down to design. Other than that, Krieg's is characterized pretty perfectly. He's what Luffy isn't, just like every villain in East Blue (Arlong included). Gin was also pretty interesting, he was Bellamy before Bellamy was Bellamy.

                                            That's not to say Arlong Arc wasn't great, it has all the stuff you listed. (The only part I didn't like was the fact that Nami's flashback just made her somewhat useless for the rest of the arc)

                                            Me on the other hand liked how Nami was portrayed on the Arlong Park ark, it made that “ don't make my navigator cry" have more impact.
                                            And I like damsel in distress stories.

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                                              You should read this person's interpretation of the Nezumi/Arlong dynamic:
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                                              hey,great link!it's a good read.
                                              the fact that one piece stands to such detailed analysis really says a lot

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                                                Baratie Arc was awesome. Forget about Zoro vs Mihawk. What about Zeff's flashback? Sanji's farewell to Baratie?

                                                Thats what I meant with "it has other good points". Guess I should have elaborated :tongue:Yeah, Sanjis flashback is pretty cool, Zeff is pretty cool, the farewell is cool. I didnt mean to crap on the Baratie arc, I like it. I was just trying to say that Arlong Park is the first time when Oda puts together an arc where everything, really everything, is done right.

                                                I have a feeling the dislike for Krieg comes down to design. Other than that, Krieg's is characterized pretty perfectly. He's what Luffy isn't, just like every villain in East Blue (Arlong included). Gin was also pretty interesting, he was Bellamy before Bellamy was Bellamy.

                                                First of, yeah, Kriegs design doesnt do him any favours, he just doesnt look all that interesting or cool. He is a very effective villain in that you really loathe him. But he is lacking something that makes other villains in OP more appealing. Oda is actually really good at creating effective, vile villains. But a lot of the main villains in the story are either really funny and have that going for them, or, while being characters you want to see punched in the face, you still like having them onscreen, because they are badass or charismatic. Arlong, Crocodile and Doflamingo all fit that category. You love to hate them. It is great to have them onscreen and the moment of defeat is immensely satisfying. But Krieg is a villain you just hate to hate. He is such a bully and a brute, which are effective villain traits, but every time he is onscreen, you dont enjoy it, you just want him to die and go away. His defeat is still really satisfying. But you won`t look back on him and say "What a great villain!" because you never really enjoyed him as a character.

                                                That's not to say Arlong Arc wasn't great, it has all the stuff you listed. (The only part I didn't like was the fact that Nami's flashback just made her somewhat useless for the rest of the arc)

                                                I guess her fighting another Fishman officer would have been cool to some people, but it would have been ultimately pointless. Either Arlong or nothing. And her fighting and defeating Arlong would have been really wrong, first of, because even in OP that would have been completely unrealistic at that point, and secondly, because the whole point was that Nami was shouldering her pain and handling her burden all alone, without ever asking anybody for help. The message was basically that you cant and dont have to do everything alone if you have friends who can help you out, which has obviously been a prevalent theme of OP ever since.

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                                                  You should read this person's interpretation of the Nezumi/Arlong dynamic:
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                                                  Interesting stuff. More in depth than I would ever be willing to go into.

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                                                  Baratie Arc was awesome. Forget about Zoro vs Mihawk. What about Zeff's flashback? Sanji's farewell to Baratie?

                                                  I have a feeling the dislike for Krieg comes down to design. Other than that, Krieg's is characterized pretty perfectly. He's what Luffy isn't, just like every villain in East Blue (Arlong included). Gin was also pretty interesting, he was Bellamy before Bellamy was Bellamy.

                                                  That's not to say Arlong Arc wasn't great, it has all the stuff you listed. (The only part I didn't like was the fact that Nami's flashback just made her somewhat useless for the rest of the arc)

                                                  To me, Krieg is a the villain who wants to be taken as a threat. He comes in and talks all high and mighty, then gets taken out. He loses his cool all the time and only does damage from cheap tricks. Unlike the other villains from the East Blue, he is the least interesting character of everyone, and unmemorable. He just needs to go to the corner and let the adults talk.

                                                  Everything else about it was pretty good.

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                                                  Me on the other hand liked how Nami was portrayed on the Arlong Park ark, it made that “ don't make my navigator cry" have more impact.
                                                  And I like damsel in distress stories.

                                                  Nami was one of the best developed characters early on, and probably still one of the best developed in the series. The scene which Luffy gives her his hat is one of the most powerful scenes from the series for me, which I will get into once I get to that part.

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                                                  Thats what I meant with "it has other good points". Guess I should have elaborated :tongue:Yeah, Sanjis flashback is pretty cool, Zeff is pretty cool, the farewell is cool. I didnt mean to crap on the Baratie arc, I like it. I was just trying to say that Arlong Park is the first time when Oda puts together an arc where everything, really everything, is done right.

                                                  First of, yeah, Kriegs design doesnt do him any favours, he just doesnt look all that interesting or cool. He is a very effective villain in that you really loathe him. But he is lacking something that makes other villains in OP more appealing. Oda is actually really good at creating effective, vile villains. But a lot of the main villains in the story are either really funny and have that going for them, or, while being characters you want to see punched in the face, you still like having them onscreen, because they are badass or charismatic. Arlong, Crocodile and Doflamingo all fit that category. You love to hate them. It is great to have them onscreen and the moment of defeat is immensely satisfying. But Krieg is a villain you just hate to hate. He is such a bully and a brute, which are effective villain traits, but every time he is onscreen, you dont enjoy it, you just want him to die and go away. His defeat is still really satisfying. But you won`t look back on him and say "What a great villain!" because you never really enjoyed him as a character.

                                                  I guess her fighting another Fishman officer would have been cool to some people, but it would have been ultimately pointless. Either Arlong or nothing. And her fighting and defeating Arlong would have been really wrong, first of, because even in OP that would have been completely unrealistic at that point, and secondly, because the whole point was that Nami was shouldering her pain and handling her burden all alone, without ever asking anybody for help. The message was basically that you cant and dont have to do everything alone if you have friends who can help you out, which has obviously been a prevalent theme of OP ever since.

                                                  Agree with the Krieg stuff. For me, he's the child you pat on the head, thinking how cute it is he thinks he's important.

                                                  Also agree with the Nami part. She did everything herself, even making herself out to be a villain. She puts up a strong act, but is hurting on the inside. Luffy is the one she allows herself to show her feelings and weaknesses. From what we've seen before, she could only hurt mooks from other crews, so taking out a fishman, who is 10 times stronger than other mooks, wouldn't make too much sense. Heck, Usopp only won using tricks, where Nami at the time only attacked using a regular staff.

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                                                    Interesting stuff. More in depth than I would ever be willing to go into.

                                                    To me, Krieg is a the villain who wants to be taken as a threat. He comes in and talks all high and mighty, then gets taken out. He loses his cool all the time and only does damage from cheap tricks. Unlike the other villains from the East Blue, he is the least interesting character of everyone, and unmemorable. He just needs to go to the corner and let the adults talk.

                                                    Everything else about it was pretty good.

                                                    Nami was one of the best developed characters early on, and probably still one of the best developed in the series. The scene which Luffy gives her his hat is one of the most powerful scenes from the series for me, which I will get into once I get to that part.

                                                    Agree with the Krieg stuff. For me, he's the child you pat on the head, thinking how cute it is he thinks he's important.

                                                    Also agree with the Nami part. She did everything herself, even making herself out to be a villain. She puts up a strong act, but is hurting on the inside. Luffy is the one she allows herself to show her feelings and weaknesses. From what we've seen before, she could only hurt mooks from other crews, so taking out a fishman, who is 10 times stronger than other mooks, wouldn't make too much sense. Heck, Usopp only won using tricks, where Nami at the time only attacked using a regular staff.

                                                    I didn't have any problems with Kreig.
                                                    What makes him for me is the spectacular fight (imo) that he had with Luffy and that whole thing you're taking about with his boastful and overcompensating nature with how Luffy played off of it which lead to some great scenes like when Luffy punches the spikes or when he tells Kreigs crew aren't you just the biggest fleet? Or Luffy's speech about why he won't die here.
                                                    Oh and the spear I love the spear so much (it really feels like he's overcompensating for something else with that).

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                                                      Krieg was underwhelming but he did provide the means for Luffy to have his first proper bad guy fight.

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                                                        I'm also currently doing a One Piece reread, it's my first one and it's made me appreciate a lot of the first moments of the series so much more. It had been a good 5+ years or so since I had read some of the stuff so things like Jinbe and Blackbeard being namedropped fairly early on were surprising. The masterful worldbuilding that One Piece has now is honestly one of if not my favorite part of the series so I really loved seeing this stuff earlier on.

                                                        also if any of you are interested, I host a monthly podcast with some buddies called One Piece Book Club where we pretty much just go through our reread in a spoiler-free format so if any of you wanna check it out just search "One Piece Book Club on youtube. didn't want to shamelessly plug TOO much but I wanted to throw it out there since it's still on topic.

                                                        Oda's a master, though. I'm someone that has a really hard time going back and rereading/rewatching stuff since I have a pretty good memory and I just don't ever feel the need to go back to something I've already seen or read, but One Piece makes me want to go back to it over and over again to study everything. it's so special

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                                                          Hey everyone! We're doing a One Piece readthrough as part of our podcast, with episodes devoted to it every Thursday. The plan is to read all 75 volumes available in English, at around 3-6 per week. We're going to have guests from VIZ who worked on the manga at the time and today, plus a lot of other artists and influential members in the community. If you all have anyone you're interested in hearing from or any topic of discussion your particularly interested in, let me know! If you've been considering a readthrough or wanna read through it at our pace, that'd also be awesome! We're hoping new fans can use this as a motivation to jump into the series as well.

                                                          Here's our current line-up: http://onepiecepodcast.com/opreadthrough

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                                                            Awesome, Zach! I'll definitely be tuning into your episodes as well. I always enjoy the podcasts from you and the rest of the crew.

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                                                              I wish I had read the manga from the beginning. But I'm a slow reader and my knowledge of books is in the trash. XD I'm that lazy. Sorry Zachary.

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                                                                I didn't have any problems with Kreig.
                                                                What makes him for me is the spectacular fight (imo) that he had with Luffy and that whole thing you're taking about with his boastful and overcompensating nature with how Luffy played off of it which lead to some great scenes like when Luffy punches the spikes or when he tells Kreigs crew aren't you just the biggest fleet? Or Luffy's speech about why he won't die here.
                                                                Oh and the spear I love the spear so much (it really feels like he's overcompensating for something else with that).

                                                                It's not that he is bad, it's more that out of all the antagonists in the series, he comes out to be the least memorable. Yeah, in the moment it's nice to see him get defeated and proven wrong at every turn. In the end though, he just looks like a whiney baby who still claims to be the best. I think the best moment is Gin punching him in the gut, telling him to deal with it.

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                                                                Here's our current line-up: http://onepiecepodcast.com/opreadthrough

                                                                I need to listen to the podcast at some point. I have downloaded many of the episodes, but haven't gotten into listening to them yet. I'm trying to decide if I should start from the beginning, or listen from the more recent ones.

                                                                So I'm at the chapter before the flashback begins. I really like how well this arc portrays Nami's two "sides". Her true self, who is kind and wants nothing but freedom to enjoy life and friends, and the Arlong Pirate Nami, who acts ruthless and doesn't want anyone to be close to her. Especially with the confrontation of the group and Nami really shows it well. She acts mean, and takes everything they call her, but as soon as Luffy decides to stay, she shows frustration, nor wanting her friend to get hurt. Luffys reaction also shows how he knows Nami's true self, and is just waiting for Nami to ask for help, which I will go into more detail later.

                                                                Also, one more point about the Racism aspect of this arc. When Commadore Purripurri arrives, we see another aspect of racism. Where the other officer is disgusted by Fishmen, but see's uses in them, the Commadore talks about the fact everything is worse because a Fishman is a Shikibukai. While the only Fishmen we've seen at this point is Arlong's crew, it hints towards things being more complex in the world in respect to relationships between races.

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                                                                  Also, one more point about the Racism aspect of this arc. When Commadore Purripurri arrives, we see another aspect of racism. Where the other officer is disgusted by Fishmen, but see's uses in them, the Commadore talks about the fact everything is worse because a Fishman is a Shikibukai. While the only Fishmen we've seen at this point is Arlong's crew, it hints towards things being more complex in the world in respect to relationships between races.

                                                                  Hmm, that is the first time I ever heard about Purripurri talking about Fishmen as Shichibukai. Do you have a reliable translation?

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                                                                    Hmm, that is the first time I ever heard about Purripurri talking about Fishmen as Shichibukai. Do you have a reliable translation?

                                                                    I might've been reading it wrong. I'm using the Viz translation from my physical copy. The quote I was thinking of is below.

                                                                    "So that's the infamous Arlong Park. When a low Dog of a pirate sets himself up as a warlord, it's the end of civilization."

                                                                    He could've been talking about Arlong, and saying that he's become akin to what we would call an African Warlord. The Batoto translation says it must mean the end of the world if pirates can set up cozy bases like that. Very different from the Viz one. My initial thought was how it was mentioned that Jimbei became a warlord, and Puripuri was saying that because a fishman like him became one, this happened (since it's known that Arlong was released thanks to Jimbei.

                                                                    I don't know how to look up for an exact translation, so I can't be sure really. If you want, I can take a picture of the page if you are interested.

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                                                                      That's just referring to his "warlord" status as a leader of the Conomi Islands.

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                                                                        I was waiting until Dressrosa arc finishes to read the series from the beginning again but i'll tag along with the podcast read .

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                                                                          I was waiting until Dressrosa arc finishes to read the series from the beginning again but i'll tag along with the podcast read .

                                                                          I figure by September (when we finish the reread) Dressrosa will be over. Let's see if that's the case, haha!

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                                                                            So much to talk about with the flashback and Nami breaking. I think I'll pass up the flashback stuff for now to talk about a single chapter, which is chapter 81: Tears.

                                                                            First thing is how the chapter cover works with the chapter overall. You have the image of Nami, Nojiko, and Bellmere eating together and having just a good time. Bellmere told the girls about how by going past the tough times, many happy moments await afterwards. The cover represents the past happy times for Nami. The chapter starts with Noizumi reveling in the fact that he just destroyed Nami's dreams, and even laughs about it. You then have Arlong and the crew laughing about the entire situation, with Nami crying while Arlong has his hand around her neck. Up to this point, Nami was on top of things, and in control of her emotions. She's now at her lowest point since Bellmere being murdered 8 years ago, being. We see things spiral more out of control when Nami could no longer hold the villagers back from rebelling, something she's prevented for the last 8 years. Everything she's worked for has been for nothing now.

                                                                            One thing we get from this chapter is how much Luffy understands Nami's position, despite having heard nothing about her past or reasons. When Nami is on the ground crying and showing the last bit of anger left before she completely breaks, we see what Luffy was waiting for. Luffy knew Nami needed help, but Nami refused to ask. Luffy knew that she would eventually break and ask, it was just a matter of time. As soon as she says the word "help", Luffy screams loudly "ok", ready to help a dear friend.

                                                                            The panels of Luffy putting his hat on Nami, and then yelling okay is one of the most powerful scenes of the series. Luffy putting his hat on Nami shows just how much he treasures Nami as a friend, which was already seen with his adamant belief that Nami was not a bad person, and refusing to have any navigator but her. The scene just gets me in tears every time. The line up of everyone ready to fight for Nami was also great as well, as it shows that despite the little time together, the bond together as a group is still there.

                                                                            Last but not least, is Luffy knocking down the door, yelling out for Arlong to show himself. At this point, Arlong and his officers have been shown to be monsters, but are about to fight other monsters and will be shown that they aren't as tough as they think they are. The chapter, which is the final chapter of volume 9, nicely closes the build-up, and gets everyone hyped for the fights that are about to happen.

                                                                            As far as chapters are concerned, I would call this a perfectly executed chapter, to what I would consider a perfect arc.

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                                                                              I just gotten idea.

                                                                              I love pictures of opened up volumes of One Piece- like opened on some favourite action scene or some kind of reveal or dialogue.

                                                                              Can we all post here pictures of pages that we really liked while re-reading One Piece in volume format ? At least from time to time.
                                                                              It is like sharing experience of re-reading in bit different way than only through discussion without picture.

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                                                                                I love pictures of opened up volumes of One Piece- like opened on some favourite action scene or some kind of reveal or dialogue.

                                                                                Can we all post here pictures of pages that we really liked while re-reading One Piece in volume format ? At least from time to time.
                                                                                It is like sharing experience of re-reading in bit different way than only through discussion without picture.

                                                                                I'm not good at posting pictures but if someone could do it for me I think that's a good idea.

                                                                                Leo franky tank nice thread idea. Made me go back to read.

                                                                                I'd like to do a small bit of battle prowess flashback if possible to do so in a civil manner.

                                                                                Like how would Don Kriegs weapons fare against arlong. Not so much power level, but I can honestly see him in a disguise ship firing his poison gas at arlong park.

                                                                                The walk to arlong park for me was actually better in the anime to me. I was surprised how short it was in the manga.

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                                                                                ! > That's cool. I did see one that made me think Punk Hazard recently. Richie (lion from Buggies crew) was dreaming he was on a small boat (looked a lot like going merry), heading towards an island with a Dragon standing there and flames covering the land.

                                                                                Well finished the Baratie stuff. Besides Krieg being forgettable, I forgot how good the arc was. Gin was a cool character, who despite being known as a Demon (like Zoro) has a soft side. In some ways, he makes me think of Bellamy in Dressrosa, where Gin admits looking at Krieg as his hero was a mistake, then after seeing Luffy in action becomes a fan of his. I really would like Gin to reappear again, as he wanted to meet again in the Grand Line, but it never happened. Wonder if there is a ever so slight chance he is the seventh shikibukai.

                                                                                Sanji's backstory was the most brutal one we had seen yet, but the more interesting thing was how he contrasted with the prior members. Most of the rest were trying to achieve their dream/goal. Sanji had given up on his dream because of Zeff, but he still wished to see the all blue at some point. He also couldn't understand why Luffy and Zoro would go so far to keep fighting for their dream, as he said they should just give up. Luffy and Sanji's determination, along with the cooks, reignited his desire, allowing him to ultimately move on.

                                                                                Also, I wonder if Pearl was to foreshadow Diable Jambe. Pearl covered his whole body in fire for fighting, and with the parallels of Baratie and Galley-La, seems like a good time for Sanji to make his debut of copying someone.

                                                                                For those who are reading this thread, even if you don't want to reread the series, or are farther in rereading the series, please post your thoughts on this stuff. It doesn't have to be in depth, just if there were certain aspects you liked or didn't like, and other thoughts. This thread will be boring with no responses. If there is a certain part you are waiting to talk about, let me know and I'll try to get to that part a little faster. Though that will be hard since now it's time for Arlong Park, which still to this day is damn good by One Piece standards, and is usually the arc that cemented readers to the series.

                                                                                A lot to say here. This got me to start with baratie arc. It along with sanji is one of my favorites. So much
                                                                                good. Gonna write some more later but I'll just start with the humor. The booger joke is gold and had me laughing. The fly in the soup, good level of detail. Really warm humor in the arc. The presence of the characters is like that of an actual diner. Luffy smashing dishes like an idiot. It all feels organic.

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                                                                                How about in the beginning of the series that Devil Fruit powers were rare instead of being common like they are now. Looking back then you can see how it confirms how weak East Blue is in comparison to the Grandline and is in pale to the New World.

                                                                                I agree. Especially compared to north blue where doflamingo grew up. There were some crazy fruit users.

                                                                                Although east blue had alvida's fruit somewhere in it. Which could have a lot of possibility to it. One thing I order though is why smoker wasn't more mobile with his fruit. He could've ended the arlong pirates easily.

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                                                                                On hindsight, the chapters with Laboon and Crocus feel really weird. Like, it's so out of place, even 700000000 chapters later.

                                                                                Like, crocus lives on a boat inside laboon, and there's hallways and corridors and metal pipes running along Laboon's veins? Vivi's is totally different, and catching a whale for food seems like a completely unnecessary thing for Baroque works to do

                                                                                Rereading that today/yesterday. It makes sense they'd need food if you consider how often the feed pirates. And also correlate mr 3's plan to get money from bounty heads as another incentive for promotion.

                                                                                Laboons insides are a mystery but hey, that island inside him is crazy in itself.

                                                                                Isn't it It interesting to think though, no matter how big s creature is, everything's a speck compared to the ocean or a landmass.

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                                                                                ! > Very true. It is different as in many questions one might have during an arc will be known. The discussion is very different as you can read some chapters and compare it to later stuff, seeing differences and similarities. So while many of us will never get to have the discussion like we have with the current stuff, still great stuff to discuss with a reread. Speaking of Enes Lobby/Water Seven.

                                                                                One thing I've been noticing with rereading is how the villain of the arc/island has a certain trait they share with the character that joins the straw hats. With Morgan and Zoro, it's their name/status. Morgan uses his fame to control people in fear, and abuses his power. Zoro is feared because of his strength, but he is a nice guy in the end and he dreams of becoming bigger than his name already is. With Nami and Buggy, you have the idea of greed, but Buggy is ruthless and will harm anybody, while Nami only goes after pirates and won't go as far to kill, even if she hates them. With Usopp and Kuro, you have lying. Kuro knows how to make people believe him using tricks, which ends up almost killing the village. Usopp is up front and makes obvious lies, which almost back fires. As we learn in the end, the villagers did like Usopps lies, as it became a sort of morning ritual.

                                                                                So what does this have to do with Water Seven/Enes Lobby? Well, considering the fact that Usopp rejoined, we had a parallel with him and the villain again. We have Usopp the liar who has finally gone on his own adventures, but still lies about stuff. We then get a Kuro 2.0 in the form of Lucci. He worked as a carpenter for years, building up trust until the right moment. He is subtle and low key like Kuro, where once the betrayal happens it is a shock to everyone. His main mission is to take a person Usopp cares about and have her killed for circumstances that were beyond her control (Kaya and Robin parallel). Like with Kuro, Usopps job is to not take on the bad guy, but rescue the one he cares about. In the end, like Kuro, nobody finds out the truth about him. With all these parallels, it seems like foreshadowing that Usopp would join once everything was over.

                                                                                One thing I noticed this time around was that we learned why Morgan had a metal jaw, and how he got his status. He wasn't a great person by any means, as his status to captain was by Kuro's plan. Kuro smashed Morgans lower Jaw, and through hypnotism, got him and a random person to believe about Kuro being captured. Adds more to the Zoro/Morgan aspect, as Zoro earned his fame truthfully, while Morgan got his fame from a crafted plan that killed the wrong person.

                                                                                Besides the villain and new crewmember having similarities, each arc where the crew member comes in we learn about their "treasure", and get an idea of the islands "treasure". With Zoro, he treasures his swords, especially the one Kuina gave him. This is reinforced through the Meow Brothers, when one of them just tosses the swords. With Nami, it is actual gold, but she has standards when stealing. For Usopp, he values who he is. After everything is over, he wishes for the town to continue to see him as a liar, and not have them know about what went down. He also doesn't deny his pirate legacy, going so far to go violent when he is berated for it.

                                                                                One last thing I will say for now is that this is the first arc where a character quirk is a foreshadowing tool for Oda. We first meet Kuro as Khaladore, who we notice pushes his glasses up with the palm of his hands. What seems like a quirk later comes to show to be developed as a habit from his fighting style. Using swords as claws, he needed a safe way to readjust his glasses with his swords still on. We later get some quirks that have a much bigger meaning for a character, especially in Dressrosa with Baby 5s wanting to help others, and Senor Pinks attire.

                                                                                How do you think Zoro got so famous? I remember something touching upon it but I'm not sure if it was filler or canon.

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                                                                                  I just gotten idea.

                                                                                  I love pictures of opened up volumes of One Piece- like opened on some favourite action scene or some kind of reveal or dialogue.

                                                                                  Can we all post here pictures of pages that we really liked while re-reading One Piece in volume format ? At least from time to time.
                                                                                  It is like sharing experience of re-reading in bit different way than only through discussion without picture.

                                                                                  Post anything from chapters/volumes you want. They all can add value to the discussion. Some volume covers really do add to the experience, as it gives a nice overview of the volume/arc. Cover stories are also a welcome discussion, or any chapter cover as well. If you feel it added something, then all the more reason.

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                                                                                  I'm not good at posting pictures but if someone could do it for me I think that's a good idea.

                                                                                  Leo franky tank nice thread idea. Made me go back to read.

                                                                                  I'd like to do a small bit of battle prowess flashback if possible to do so in a civil manner.

                                                                                  Like how would Don Kriegs weapons fare against arlong. Not so much power level, but I can honestly see him in a disguise ship firing his poison gas at arlong park.

                                                                                  The walk to arlong park for me was actually better in the anime to me. I was surprised how short it was in the manga.

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                                                                                  A lot to say here. This got me to start with baratie arc. It along with sanji is one of my favorites. So much
                                                                                  good. Gonna write some more later but I'll just start with the humor. The booger joke is gold and had me laughing. The fly in the soup, good level of detail. Really warm humor in the arc. The presence of the characters is like that of an actual diner. Luffy smashing dishes like an idiot. It all feels organic.

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                                                                                  I agree. Especially compared to north blue where doflamingo grew up. There were some crazy fruit users.

                                                                                  Although east blue had alvida's fruit somewhere in it. Which could have a lot of possibility to it. One thing I order though is why smoker wasn't more mobile with his fruit. He could've ended the arlong pirates easily.

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                                                                                  Rereading that today/yesterday. It makes sense they'd need food if you consider how often the feed pirates. And also correlate mr 3's plan to get money from bounty heads as another incentive for promotion.

                                                                                  Laboons insides are a mystery but hey, that island inside him is crazy in itself.

                                                                                  Isn't it It interesting to think though, no matter how big s creature is, everything's a speck compared to the ocean or a landmass.

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                                                                                  How do you think Zoro got so famous? I remember something touching upon it but I'm not sure if it was filler or canon.

                                                                                  I feel it would be better to do a separate thread about the battle stuff, as this thread is more looking through the series again and talking about how story parts connect, and try to just discuss the past chapters again. Power level isn't really a discussion I want to have here, as there's a separate thread about that.

                                                                                  As far as Zoro getting famous, it was probably a filler arc. From the manga, you can gather he is mostly well known in the East Blue for his ability as a bounty hunter. He was asked to join Baroque Works, but that was a pretty big organization. If Mihawk had no idea who Zoro was at first, it's safe to say Zoro was just a big fish in a little pond at the time.

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                                                                                  So I finished the Arlong Park stuff, and I feel this might be a good point to just have a general discussion of the East Blue saga. I'll go into more details at another point when it's not so late, but every time I reread this part, I like it more and more. It really did a solid job on establishing basics of the world, and built foundations for each of the crew members to learn and grow. From the various pirates and powers shown, it gives a great idea of just how big the world really is, and that the danger will grow as they head towards One Piece. Biggest part is many plot details were dropped to be later expanded on, such as Fishmen and humans, shikibukai, the power structure of the Marines, the idea of Shanks being a great pirate, certain characters coming later (musician/doctor), and the idea that will power is more important than physical strength (to an extent).

                                                                                  So what was everyone's impression of East Blue, and has it changed over time? What were your favorite parts, villains, powers, designs, etc? Do you feel that One Piece wouldn't have been nearly as good without the East Blue being what it was? Feel free to add any other thoughts you have about it.

                                                                                  Also, I'm not including the Logue Town stuff, as I feel that's a transition island which doesn't really count as the East Blue stuff, but not the Grand Line stuff either. If you feel differently, feel free to include the stuff.

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                                                                                    I'm not good at posting pictures but if someone could do it for me I think that's a good idea.

                                                                                    Cool :happy:

                                                                                    I have to sign up on some page like imageshack then, does anybody have better recomendation for some free page for sharing pictures?

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                                                                                      So I finished the Arlong Park stuff, and I feel this might be a good point to just have a general discussion of the East Blue saga. I'll go into more details at another point when it's not so late, but every time I reread this part, I like it more and more. It really did a solid job on establishing basics of the world, and built foundations for each of the crew members to learn and grow. From the various pirates and powers shown, it gives a great idea of just how big the world really is, and that the danger will grow as they head towards One Piece. Biggest part is many plot details were dropped to be later expanded on, such as Fishmen and humans, shikibukai, the power structure of the Marines, the idea of Shanks being a great pirate, certain characters coming later (musician/doctor), and the idea that will power is more important than physical strength (to an extent).

                                                                                      So what was everyone's impression of East Blue, and has it changed over time? What were your favorite parts, villains, powers, designs, etc? Do you feel that One Piece wouldn't have been nearly as good without the East Blue being what it was? Feel free to add any other thoughts you have about it.

                                                                                      Also, I'm not including the Logue Town stuff, as I feel that's a transition island which doesn't really count as the East Blue stuff, but not the Grand Line stuff either. If you feel differently, feel free to include the stuff.

                                                                                      Of course One Piece wouldnt be as good without East Blue :happy: I really enjoy that One Piece has such a slow start, and I dont mean slow as in dragging. The story at the beginning is just so simple. A young man with a seemingly impossible to reach goal sets out into the world and gathers a few crewmembers. Imho, because the East Blue saga is comparatively small scale, it makes you appreciate the really epic stuff later on even more. I mean, in a way, these first 100 chapters are basically the introduction to the core members of the crew, before the real adventure really begins. At this point, you dont have a clue how big and crazy this world is, and how much complex mythology and background Oda will introduce (and is already foreshadowing). I like how we are introduced to each of the five main characters, they are all likeable, interesting and cool from the beginning. Though I find that I like them best when Sanji joins, at this point the crew dynamic really starts to become incredible fun. To give an example of what Im talking about, the chapter in which Luffys bounty is revealed. Just seeing them all together, Sanji protecting Namis tangeringe garden from Luffy, Nami reading the paper and bitching about money, Usopp experimenting (and getting tabasco sauce into his eyes) and Zoro, of course, either sleeping or making snide comments about Sanji. It`s awesome stuff, and its amazing to think that scenes with the crew interacting are still so much fun many years later.

                                                                                      I think I mentioned before that I dont enjoy reaaaally early One Piece yet as much as later stuff, as the plotting isnt as tight yet and the artwork is pretty wonky. (Oda had really trouble drawing chins in the beginning. Seriously, look at Luffys chin from time to time in the early volumes, it looks weird. The ears look kinda weird, too) But it`s awesome to watch everything improve so quickly in this saga alone. From Kuro to Baratiè to Arlong Park, it jsut gets better and better in every aspect.

                                                                                      Hmm, favorite designs, powers, characters….well, even though I`m not a huge fan of the Buggy arc, his powers are really creative. At this point, characters with devil fruit powers are so rare. Kurois awesome in every way, a very cool early villain. Jango is fun, the cat bros (forget their japanese name) are forgettable, but not that bad. I love Usopps vegetable themed little pirate group, heh.
                                                                                      Despite Krieg being a mediocre villain with lame design, he does have some neat toys here and there. Pearl is awful though. He also appears so randomly out of nowhere. Like, suddenly there is this guy with huge shields never shown before. He kinda reminds me of the vacuum lady from Dressrosa.
                                                                                      Arlong wins best villain though, hands down. Badass design, badass fighter, and effective villain. What was his weapon called again? That thing was really awesome.
                                                                                      Hachi is Hachi, and Kuroobi is neat, even though he could have a little bit more personality for my taste. Chuu is....not that bad. Not really good, but okay I guess.

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                                                                                        Am I the only one who looks back at Buggy and realizes two things:

                                                                                        1. WOW in East Blue Saga he was a jerk.

                                                                                        2. He is STILL hilarious and fun in Impel Down and Whitebeard war, even now upon rereading it quite a few times.

                                                                                        jeez.. I still wish we could just see him again already!

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                                                                                          I always thought Buggy was the second strongest villain in East Blue behind only Smoker. Luffy didn't beat Buggy in a 1v1. Buggy was distracted by Nami trying to steal his treasure for half of the fight which let Luffy get his ballsack shot and his bazooka finishing move in. Before Nami's intervention, it was clear that Luffy was losing. I honestly think Buggy would beat Kuro, Krieg, and Arlong in a lengthy 1v1 fight.

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                                                                                            You know, for the longest time I never knew Zeff actually ate his own leg. I always thought that the anime version was canon. When it came to reading One Piece I never went too far back and It was only once I started buying the volumes that I found out…

                                                                                            And I was pleasantly surprised. The whole "you lost your leg because of me, I'm in your debt" thing felt so weak to me. Until I read the arc the way Oda intended. Sanji and Zeff's story carried a lot more weight.

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                                                                                              I always thought Buggy was the second strongest villain in East Blue behind only Smoker. Luffy didn't beat Buggy in a 1v1. Buggy was distracted by Nami trying to steal his treasure for half of the fight which let Luffy get his ballsack shot and his bazooka finishing move in. Before Nami's intervention, it was clear that Luffy was losing. I honestly think Buggy would beat Kuro, Krieg, and Arlong in a lengthy 1v1 fight.

                                                                                              Forget about Arlong or Don Krieg? They were both probably stronger than Buggy was in Orange Town. Course, bear in mind he gained some things in Loguetown, and I don't just mean Alvida. And Buggy even being ABLE to survive the Grand Line on his own with his crew means he has to have gotten somewhat stronger than he was in East Blue.

                                                                                              I've had a discussion thread on another website about if Impel Down/Marineford Buggy could beat them. (Orange Town Buggy definitely couldn't.) What we seemed to end up with as the result was that he could beat Kuro, but Kriegs poison gas would beat Buggy. If he could get around that he might win. But he's nowhere near able to take on Arlong.

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                                                                                                I've been rewatching One Piece and I honestly wish there was a way to see what the series would be like with just the original five and the merry-go. Luffy's battles were fairly quick, super fun, and the focus on people's treasure made it so complicated. Shushu losing the pet shop to Mohji always mists up my eyes.

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                                                                                                  I've been rewatching One Piece and I honestly wish there was a way to see what the series would be like with just the original five and the merry-go. Luffy's battles were fairly quick, super fun, and the focus on people's treasure made it so complicated. Shushu losing the pet shop to Mohji always mists up my eyes.

                                                                                                  Things did get quite complicated once Robin joined as it did change the pattern of random adventuring to a more cohesive goal and the undercurrent of various complex plots folding into the story line. I miss the old days too of them larking about more and having fun and only every so often getting involved in something bigger then they understand. I wonder what it would have been like for them if they took a different route and never made Alabasta.

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                                                                                                    Things did get quite complicated once Robin joined as it did change the pattern of random adventuring to a more cohesive goal and the undercurrent of various complex plots folding into the story line. I miss the old days too of them larking about more and having fun and only every so often getting involved in something bigger then they understand. I wonder what it would have been like for them if they took a different route and never made Alabasta.

                                                                                                    I'm a bit conflicted in that aspect as well. While I did love the early adventure stuff as well, I think it did really well adapting to a more complex, overarching story. There are certain downsides and there have been execution issues, but I felt One Piece got better overtime, as we learned more about the overall world while still going to crazy places.

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                                                                                                      I'm a bit conflicted in that aspect as well. While I did love the early adventure stuff as well, I think it did really well adapting to a more complex, overarching story. There are certain downsides and there have been execution issues, but I felt One Piece got better overtime, as we learned more about the overall world while still going to crazy places.

                                                                                                      It's a toughie… I quite admire what Oda has done with this story, but I must admit my ideal One Piece is more mixed between giant arcs and the vignettes as Greg called them that we had in East Blue.

                                                                                                      A possible underlying reason Oda propelled the crew into bigger situations with more character dynamics is he may have eventually thought he would not be able to bounce the original five off each other for much longer by themselves, and character dynamics + interaction are a super important part of early One Piece. So, that taken in mind, it may not have been able to go on very long feeling crazy inspired. But, say Oda DID have infinite mental fuel for early East Blue, we'd have quite an interesting case on our hands of brisk emotional tales that handle social issues as a ragtag crew journeys around. If it was as inspired as Arlong Park, it would probably approach the quality of what we have now (wouldn't approach Alabasta, Skypiea, Water 7 and moments of Ennies, Sabaody, though, in my opinion). The "peak moments" would probably be less, because of build-up. The general power growth would have been much lower too, which would have been interesting.

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                                                                                                        I forgot to mention that the first edition of our One Piece Readthrough podcast is online. We have Greg on for the last segment and Stephen's on for the full episode. Let me know what you think!

                                                                                                        http://onepiecepodcast.com/2015/05/14/opreadthrough-1-east-blue-part-one/

                                                                                                        Host and Founder The One Piece Podcast The views expressed are solely my own.

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