And then Doffy joins the I got beaten by Luffy club after the arc ends. Although I think he would be happy to see Croco-boy there and probably pester him.
lol so true. 
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Chapter 781: "Long-Cherished Desire"
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maybe luffy will steal one of bellamy's moves and use that to defeat doflamingo?
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lol so true.
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It would be kind of fun seeing Doffy swap some stories with Crocodile about how Luffy kicking their butts. They would argue whose plan was better with Doffy saying he at least managed to keep his island for a decade while Crocodile points out that he actually had back up plans.
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I usually don't ask if we're getting a new chapter.
But if tomorrow is like the last couple of years it's going to be a damn mess around here.Last year it was awesome, the thread, comments and collaboration for all those who participate was hilarious. Sucks that they always remove the spoiler sub forums whenever it hits 1st April. They probably going to do it again this year.
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It would be kind of fun seeing Doffy swap some stories with Crocodile about how Luffy kicking their butts. They would argue whose plan was better with Doffy saying he at least managed to keep his island for a decade while Crocodile points out that he actually had back up plans.
that would be an interesting conversation between the prince of darkness and the sir to duke it out on some drinks. lol
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that would be an interesting conversation between the prince of darkness and the sir to duke it out on some drinks. lol
It would also be fun to see how they would argue on who has the bigger female fanbase. Man, someone after the Dressarosa arc ends should have a series of funny comics depicting those two together.
So, my fellow One Piece female fans which villain do you prefer the suave former leader of an evil organization with sand powers or the pink wearing mob boss with string powers.
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@DHL:
I am yet to see a villain (such as Doflamingo/Crocodile) flop out a piece of meat and say Luffy I will offer you this meat and tons of it if you ally with me!
It would have better chances of succeeding than telling him how the seas are dangerous and his dream is going to shatter one day.
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In regards to the Ope Ope, I actually applaud Oda, for two reasons: 1) For introducing me to surgical procedures which I otherwise would have had little knowledge of and 2) for rustling so thoroughly the jimmies of those who think their lack of knowledge about a particular subject constitutes "asspull." Law's techniques all clearly have an operation basis, and are very inventive, as pretty much all of the paramecia are. Is it extremely powerful at times? Sure. But it really should be second nature to accept that people in One Piece do un-fucking-believable things all the time, something which makes this series great. Point obviously being that we've had 780 chapters of ridiculousness, 781 is just another feather in the cap. Yet people continue to whine and moan, mainly because they're worried about their favorite(s) not looking good, smh. People are focusing far too much on who looks the most badass, and who is stronger than who.
This. This is exactly it.
People act like Laws powers were all explicitly defined, detailed and limited before these last two arcs. When the Devil Fruits name was revealed that should have been when people would begin to understand more about his powers and be more open to what more his powers could do and where they could actually go (limits wise).
"the Surgeon of Death; Trafalgar Law"
"As long as you're within his circle, consider yourself a patient on the operating table"
His upbringing and surgical knowledge compliments the fruit. This Devil Fruit was perfect for him and these powers just goes to show how much time and research Oda put into Laws ability/character. But that could be said about most of his charactersI really enjoyed this chapter
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@DHL:
Or what if the face is a part of the glasses and the glasses are Doflamingo?
DHL asks the real questions here.
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@DHL:
Or what if the face is a part of the glasses and the glasses are Doflamingo?
He's not like Hasegawa or Shinpachi from Gintama in that aspect sadly
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What if the person Koala was talking about is not burgess but maybe one of Kaidou's men going after DD?
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@uniaka:
What if the person Koala was talking about is not burgess but maybe one of Kaidou's men going after DD?
Meadows is been off paneled for a while after all:ninja:
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I'd love nothing more than for Meadows to reappear…and be one shotted a second time.
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I guess if there is one thing that will be remembered for this arc, it will be Meadows, for doing nothing. Poor Sanji.
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But I thought Meadows is Kaido himself - instead of just being an ordinary crewman.
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I just realized this is arc is what, 80 chapters in? Starting with 701, Adventure in the Country of Love, Passion, and Toys
Of the total 781 chapters of One Piece, this arc is a little over 10% of its duration.
to compare:
Alabasta - 154 (To Alabasta) - 216 (Vivi's Adventure), 63 chapters, ~8.07%
Skypiea - 237 (High in the Sky) - 303 (The Wealthy Pirate Gang) , 67 chapters, ~8.58% -
Try to guess how many chapters will Dressrossa have counting the epilogue with all the effects that Doflamingo's defeat will bring before a new arc begin.
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Either way, it's become the longest running arc in One Piece. How long it'll be is anyone's guess at this point.
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I'd love nothing more than for Meadows to reappear…and be one shotted a second time.
I don't think we saw meadows cut or defeated by hakuba.
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Either way, it's become the longest running arc in One Piece. How long it'll be is anyone's guess at this point.
There's a reason for that I believe. The events that are taking place right now will kick off a new phase as far as the SH and the NW. What happens after the arc is anyone's guess but all of a sudden they've taken out Joker whos connected to all the higher-tier pirates out there in some how and you also have the fact that they're fucking with Kaidou(If they stick with Law's plan they're definitely going for him. Lets not forget the main reason behind the Law/Luffy alliance. Doflamingo was only phase 1) and Big Mom. The Strawhats will be major players after this arc.
But it's about time IMO. This Manga is already 800 chapters in. I'd like for it to finish within the next 5-6 years.
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There's a reason for that I believe. The events that are taking place right now will kick off a new phase as far as the SH and the NW. What happens after the arc is anyone's guess but all of a sudden they've taken out Joker whos connected to all the higher-tier pirates out there in some how and you also have the fact that they're fucking with Kaidou(If they stick with Law's plan they're definitely going for him. Lets not forget the main reason behind the Law/Luffy alliance. Doflamingo was only phase 1) and Big Mom. The Strawhats will be major players after this arc.
But it's about time IMO. This Manga is already 800 chapters in. I'd like for it to finish within the next 5-6 years.
The whole manga, finished in 5-6 years? For that to happen, Oda would have to breeze through a gazillion things and go straight to the final conflict, which will probably be as long (or longer) than Dressrosa. Impossible.
There's at least a decade left, and even that probably means speed-running through some stuff.
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I just realized this is arc is what, 80 chapters in? Starting with 701, Adventure in the Country of Love, Passion, and Toys
Of the total 781 chapters of One Piece, this arc is a little over 10% of its duration.
to compare:
Alabasta - 154 (To Alabasta) - 216 (Vivi's Adventure), 63 chapters, ~8.07%
Skypiea - 237 (High in the Sky) - 303 (The Wealthy Pirate Gang) , 67 chapters, ~8.58%Nope, Water 7 is still longer. Chapter 319 (Aokiji's first appearance) to 439 (when they finally leave) so 120 chapters (and yes you count the Enies Lobby portion, there's no reason not to, it's the same antagonists, same mission same stakes carried over from the Water 7 portion)
Also 10% as of now, a value that will get smaller and smaller as time passes. By the time of Skypiea's full release, it ended up being about 20% of the total series.
This arc being super long is to be expected. Not to say there hasn't been some material that could be cut (as far as we know, the Dwarves (Mansherry) or the Riku Dynasty could be super important for things like Reverie or whatnot) but this arc is the foundation for…pretty juch every major event that will happen in the series be it the upheaval of the New World, the fall of the Emperors, the abolition of the Shickibukai and break down of the balance of powers etc.
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There's a reason for that I believe
yes, he got too many ideas crammed into one arc and got lost with it. Can't his editor or someone tell him to get to the point instead of milking his arc like that?
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@TLC:
Nope, Water 7 is still longer.
Water 7 and Enies lobby are different arcs.
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@uniaka:
I don't think we saw meadows cut or defeated by hakuba.
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Water 7 and Enies lobby are different arcs.
They have the exact same antagonists and the exact same "end goal".
They're a different arc by location only.
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The whole manga, finished in 5-6 years? For that to happen, Oda would have to breeze through a gazillion things and go straight to the final conflict, which will probably be as long (or longer) than Dressrosa. Impossible.
There's at least a decade left, and even that probably means speed-running through some stuff.
Especially when you consider it has been running for 17 years.. I wonder how many people here actually started reading it back then.
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They have the exact same antagonists and the exact same "end goal".
They're a different arc by location only.
they are differents arcs, period. Let's not confuse saga or cycles with arcs.
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Especially when you consider it has been running for 17 years.. I wonder how many people here actually started reading it back then.
There's a thread that showcases just that, actually.
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There's a reason for that I believe. The events that are taking place right now will kick off a new phase as far as the SH and the NW. What happens after the arc is anyone's guess but all of a sudden they've taken out Joker whos connected to all the higher-tier pirates out there in some how and you also have the fact that they're fucking with Kaidou(If they stick with Law's plan they're definitely going for him. Lets not forget the main reason behind the Law/Luffy alliance. Doflamingo was only phase 1) and Big Mom. The Strawhats will be major players after this arc.
It's what, the third time we are starting new era, new phase, new something?
At this point I'm inclined to believe that Oda's habits are set up in stone so hard that no change will actually take place.
We will get token "Things are changing! Be excited!" summary that will setup things that won't happen for at least next half of decade, and we go back to business as usual.
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They have the exact same antagonists and the exact same "end goal".
They're a different arc by location only.
So that does make them a different arc. Unless you want to add Punk Hazard to the total running time of Dressrosa?
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they are differents arcs, period. Let's not confuse saga or cycles with arcs.
They are the exact same arc.
The antagonists are the same and the main plot points carry over between the two (rescuing Robin and Franky, Robin's past, etc). You can't just separate them because they take place on two different islands
A saga is like Baroque Works, where each island had a unique antagonist, while Crocodile (the final antagonist of the saga), waited at Alabasta. And then Skypiea had some plot points carry over, but the antagonists and the end goals were completely different.
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There's a thread that showcases just that, actually.
Sweet, thanks.
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This is the 8th saga we are currently in. Ennies Lobby and Water 7 are two different arcs in the same saga (Water 7 saga).
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yes, he got too many ideas crammed into one arc and got lost with it. Can't his editor or someone tell him to get to the point instead of milking his arc like that?
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Water 7 and Enies lobby are different arcs.
They're a train ride away from each other. There's absolutely no reason to separate them into two arcs. Same stakes, same villains, same themes, same everything except location, You might as well treat the Sea Train and the post Enies Lobby stuff as their own arc then.
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No one likes associating Water 7's goodness with the general trash heap that was Enies Lobby. It's understandable.
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So that does make them a different arc. Unless you want to add Punk Hazard to the total running time of Dressrosa?
No, it doesn't. Is the Flying Fish Riders hideout its own arc?
Punk Hazard has a different antagonist, the characters are different (lacks the dwarves and the entire Dressrosa cast), and it had an actual transition between the arcs. This is what a saga is.
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Is the whole "Saga" thing official ? Sounds like bullshit.
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So that does make them a different arc. Unless you want to add Punk Hazard to the total running time of Dressrosa?
Punk Hazard had its own arc villain and themes and mission goals. Dressrosa didn't carry on immediately after, the arc was clearly its own close-ended thing where the characters had a period of rest and recuperation and planning and PARTYING. The characters immediately went to Enies Lobby from Dressrosa to accomplish the exact same mission which hadn't been accomplished in Water 7.
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@TLC:
They're a train ride away from each other. There's absolutely no reason to separate them into two arcs. Same stakes, same villains, same themes, same everything except location, You might as well treat the Sea Train and the post Enies Lobby stuff as their own arc then.
different location, which mean different settings, different characters (Spandman, CP9 as a whole, giants, marines, buster call), different events and so on. Enies lobby and Water seven are completly different really.
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different location, which mean different settings, different characters (Spandman, CP9 as a whole, giants, marines, buster call), different events and so on. Enies lobby and Water seven are completly different really.
So the Flying Fish Rider hideout is its own arc?
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@TLC:
Punk Hazard had its own arc villain and themes and mission goals. Dressrosa didn't carry on immediately after, the arc was clearly its own close-ended thing where the characters had a period of rest and recuperation and planning and PARTYING. The characters immediately went to Enies Lobby from Dressrosa to accomplish the exact same mission which hadn't been accomplished in Water 7.
Impel Down had no party as well, and Luffy immediately went to Marineford from Impel down to accomplish the exact same mission which hadn't been accomplished in Impel down.
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No, it doesn't. Is the Flying Fish Riders hideout its own arc?
It could, since it fits the exact defition you listed below.
Punk Hazard has a different antagonist, the characters are different (lacks the dwarves and the entire Dressrosa cast), and it had an actual transition between the arcs. This is what a saga is.
Main antagonist is still Doffy, though by proxy, similary to Spandam, when you think about it. There was transition in between Enies Lobby and Water 7 (Sea Train). Characters, according to your defition, are also different, since Water 7 lacks half of CP9, Spanda, arguably arc main antagonist, and every marine involved in Buster Call.
I know you like being contrarian every time I post anything, but try a bit harder.
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Taken from here: http://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/2ztlzg/i_still_think_water_7enies_lobby_is_one_arc_not/
"http://i.imgur.com/LopXE9u.jpg
Water Seven- Exposition: carpenters, Franky Family, Iceburg, city
- Rising action: Usopp vs Franky, Straw hats goes on rampage, Luffy vs Usopp, Robin whereabouts, Iceburg gets shot
- Climax: CP9 drop the masks, find Pluton plan, straw hats break into the house, CP9 vs Straw hats
- Falling action: Iceburg meet up with Nami, explanations, CP9 and Robin leave
- Resolution: Alliance between Luffy and carpenters, decide to go to Enies lobby
Enies lobby
- Exposition: introduction of Spandman and CP9, island of justice and various characters.
- Rising action: Luffy and the crew break into the island, stand infront of Robin
- Climax: final fights, Buster Call, Luffy vs Lucci
- Falling action: crew leave enies lobby, merry funerals
- Resolution: crew return to Water seven
Two arcs."
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different location, which mean different settings, different characters (Spandman, CP9 as a whole, giants, marines, buster call), different events and so on. Enies lobby and Water seven are completly different really.
There's nothing different except the location. Spandam was in Water 7, in a flashback as well as real time as an antagonist, Half of CP9 was in Water 7. The Buster Call was brought up in Water 7, there were Marines on the Sea Train, characters in Water 7 like the Franky Family or the Galley La went to Enies Lobby. But my god, there were some new very minor characters in the second portion, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
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Is the whole "Saga" thing official ? Sounds like bullshit.
Depends if you take the official website as an indicator.
Everything after the War saga is made up by fans though.
In "One Piece Ten", Oda referred to the first half of the series as the Sea of Survival: Super Rookies Saga, and the second half the The Final Sea: The New World Saga
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Taken from here: http://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/2ztlzg/i_still_think_water_7enies_lobby_is_one_arc_not/
"http://i.imgur.com/LopXE9u.jpg
Water Seven- Exposition: carpenters, Franky Family, Iceburg, city
- Rising action: Usopp vs Franky, Straw hats goes on rampage, Luffy vs Usopp, Robin whereabouts, Iceburg gets shot
- Climax: CP9 drop the masks, find Pluton plan, straw hats break into the house, CP9 vs Straw hats
- Falling action: Iceburg meet up with Nami, explanations, CP9 and Robin leave
- Resolution: Alliance between Luffy and carpenters, decide to go to Enies lobby
Enies lobby
- Exposition: introduction of Spandman and CP9, island of justice and various characters.
- Rising action: Luffy and the crew break into the island, stand infront of Robin
- Climax: final fights, Buster Call, Luffy vs Lucci
- Falling action: crew leave enies lobby, merry funerals
- Resolution: crew return to Water seven
Two arcs."
This. Water Seven and Enies lobby are completely different, I don't get the people who consider them as one arc.
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Impel Down had no party as well, and Luffy immediately went to Marineford from Impel down to accomplish the exact same mission which hadn't been accomplished in Impel down.
I would argue that Amazon Lilly, Impel Down and Marineford are one arc that all delve into saving Ace. Impel Down is more of its own arc than Water 7 since Impel Down had its own antagonist and there was a period of travelling and recuperation from Impel Down to Marineford opposed to Water 7/Enies Lobby where one immediately followed the other.
Taken from here: http://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/2ztlzg/i_still_think_water_7enies_lobby_is_one_arc_not/
"http://i.imgur.com/LopXE9u.jpg
Water Seven- Exposition: carpenters, Franky Family, Iceburg, city
- Rising action: Usopp vs Franky, Straw hats goes on rampage, Luffy vs Usopp, Robin whereabouts, Iceburg gets shot
- Climax: CP9 drop the masks, find Pluton plan, straw hats break into the house, CP9 vs Straw hats
- Falling action: Iceburg meet up with Nami, explanations, CP9 and Robin leave
- Resolution: Alliance between Luffy and carpenters, decide to go to Enies lobby
Enies lobby
- Exposition: introduction of Spandman and CP9, island of justice and various characters.
- Rising action: Luffy and the crew break into the island, stand infront of Robin
- Climax: final fights, Buster Call, Luffy vs Lucci
- Falling action: crew leave enies lobby, merry funerals
- Resolution: crew return to Water seven
Two arcs."
You could also argue that Water 7, Sea Train and Enies Lobby are the first, second and third act of one big arc.
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Oh please can someone tell me when Dressrosa will end? 4 or 5 more chapters? Oda said Dressrosa will be better and more interesting this year but nothing has changed, but why would Oda say such a thing in the first place? Doesn't it mean he has gotten complains from fans as an SBS question as to why Dressrosa is so long and yet blank.
As long as Dressrosa is it has yet to have a moment that wil make me go back and be like wow awesome, maybe when Big mom flagship appeared?
And enough with Law already, he has more character development than most of the Strawhats now which I understand since whenever Law leaves we won't be seeing him for a very long time.
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@Cyan:
No one likes associating Water 7's goodness with the general trash heap that was Enies Lobby. It's understandable.
Boo, Enies Lobby owns.
