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For the love of god, do not let this arc discussion into the next chapter thread.
As for Doffy's handicap, I agree with TLC. The thing is, that we went from Hody and Ceasar to Doflamingo, who is obviously way more powerful than both of them. This results in a need for a handicap as well as Doffy making his crew look bad, even though they are quite capable. And this handicap may make Luffy's victory seemingly disappointing, but you just have to remember how strong Doffy really is.
Man i started skipping post not learning one thing everybody have their own definition and opinion of what an arc is can we move on please because no matter what no one will convince the other hot dam.
Um…what did I just read? So much awkward ideas and just...my brain is having difficulty processing it. Did I just read a chapter of One Piece... or Naruto? (Hint: that wasn't a compliment.)
Edit: gathered thoughts and have a list.
1. Law pulled some bullshit with how he did the switch. Hax.
2. Doffy did a hax way to mend the issue.
3. Tension was in some ways ruined by knowing that Law isn't dead, even though I admit we already knew he wasn't..now Luffy knows he isn't too.
4. Trebol was cast aside like a bitch. Proving once and for all that Doflamingo's crewmembers were all underwhelming in Dressrosa.
5. The series might have been better if they skipped this chapter completely....or at least say Law beat Doffy...that would have at least surprised me.
Even with this list my brain hurts with trying to figure out what I just read. It felt as bad as a Naruto chapter and that's extremely sad.
@$abZ:
I'm tired of all the plans and schemes. Let's see it done the good ol' fashioned Luffy way… kick Donflamingo's ass. You could tell Luffy just wanted to go at Donflamingo but Law is too much with his plans (which never work). Now with Law out the way (please let him be out the way) Luffy can do what he's wanted the whole time.
Not really liking the arc. It had so much potential and to me it looks like Oda is lacking quality ideas. The longer the series goes on the harder it becomes for Oda to have decent ideas, just because so much has been done already.
Agreed. It had a lot of potential to bring back the former glory of One Piece and failed massively. It was very exciting at first but all for naught.
MTV has never been the same! ohh and flipping birds to CartoonNetwork
It all boils down to semantics. Enies Lobby was the next ACT of Water 7, but as it still had the same villains and goals and nothing at all was resolved in terms of character or action, and after the fight was done, they returned back to the previous location, it was not a separate story or ARC.
Ah, so its a mystery Arc!
maybe luffy will steal one of bellamy's moves and use that to defeat doflamingo?
Luffy will defeat and force burgess to teach him how to have two devil fruit powers.
Luffy finds out that the superstition was always false!
Luffy takes the Spring Spring power from Bellamy, does a Gomu Gomu hopper.
Defeats Doflamingo.
Bring on Kaido
Luffy actually should be able to do most of Bellamy's tricks anyway actually.
Well, that was a personality switch. What I was addressing is why Law hasn't tried to switch out Doflamingo's physical heart and kill him by simply destroying the heart. As to why he doesn't use the personality switch on Trebol and Doffy, your guess is as good as mine. o:
Both ideas could really work though. Why not personality switch some people? Guess there could be risks but he could stab himself as Doffy while Doffy is in Trebol's body and Trebol is in Law and then switch it all back around and Doffy would be dying or anything like that.
@kevo_koma:
Why can't he? If luffy can use his powers to more or less Dope himself then whats stopping Doflamingo someone we've seen as strong, smart and very much interested in DF abilities not do the same?
This is one of those, mastery of the fruit moments and I honestly think it works well. He can control his strings in any way he likes, plus for someone who wants Immortality, it doesn't seem like a stretch that he'd try to make use of his DF this way.
Fair enough. Still very displeased with Law. He had a Sasuke moment.
Like Daz already mentioned, Doffy tying his organs together really isn't that big a deal when we had Enel restarting his own heart before.
A very fair point but still…idk...
That's some medical knowledge. First he would have to know exactly what Law's attack did to his organs. Then, without a way to see the damage, hold/stitch his organs in a way they actually work while he fights. Maybe he has the knowledge to do that, and maybe Law's attack didn't do as much as he stated, but it still seems too much.
I'm not sure where I stand on it but it IS comparable to what Eneru pulled. Law pulled some Sasuke from Naruto shit though. Doffy doing what he did within the same chapter doesn't help how I feel either way though.
Water 7 didn't have a resolution. That's why it's not an arc of its own.
The point of Water 7 was definitely not only that. The Straw Hats spent most o fWater 7 trying to get Robin back, which they only managed to do at Enies Lobby.
Well the whole purpose of One Piece is to find the One Piece and become the Pirate King.
So this is the One Piece Saga.
Luffy will only manage to do this in the end after countless more arcs.
Ah, so its a mystery Arc!
That cracked me up way more than it should have
I just realized this is arc is what, 80 chapters in? Starting with 701, Adventure in the Country of Love, Passion, and Toys
Of the total 781 chapters of One Piece, this arc is a little over 10% of its duration.
to compare:
Alabasta - 154 (To Alabasta) - 216 (Vivi's Adventure), 63 chapters, ~8.07%
Skypiea - 237 (High in the Sky) - 303 (The Wealthy Pirate Gang) , 67 chapters, ~8.58%
Who knew a little bit of statistics could turn into a cutthroat,bloody discussion over semantics
To be fair, I wouldn't really consider any of the individual islands visited in East Blue an "Arc", even Cocoyashi (Arlong Park). It's just the "East Blue" Arc, and it lasted 100 chapters, making it and the Water 7 (which includes Enies Lobby) Arcs the longest arcs so far. Water 7 by far.
@Fire Fist:
To be fair, I wouldn't really consider any of the individual islands visited in East Blue an "Arc", even Cocoyashi (Arlong Park). It's just the "East Blue" Arc, and it lasted 100 chapters, making it and the Water 7 (which includes Enies Lobby) Arcs the longest arcs so far. Water 7 by far.
Actually that can be figured out pretty well with this page.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Story_Arcs
explains it all really.
Or some guy of incredible power with the ability to fly and stated motivation of protecting innocent people…
But that would be way too convenient, my friend. It could never happen.
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I laughed out loud, a genuine "lol"..haven't had one of those in awhile…
This chapter… man, this chapter.
There is more Devil Fruit based bullshit in this chapter then we have seen in a while, even in this arc full of bullshit Devil Fruits.
And there is the Birdcage shrinking and everybody's reaction to it.
And the incredibly convenience of there being a dead dude having almost exact same style of clothing as Law, along with the same body build, black hair and beard.
That Law somehow managed to find. While being shot. With it clearly not being visible for him.
Also, do you remember CoO? This ability that let's you figure out when people die and find living things? Doffy doesn't either.
Any hopes I've had have been dashed.
Just end it already Oda. Put the poor arc down; it has suffered enough already. It cannot be saved.
Agreed. I wish part 2 could have at least one good arc.
One good arc Oda,is that too much to ask for? You got me excited for Dressrosa but you've greatly let me down!
@Rukusho:
I just wish we see Luffy go all out against someone similar to his Level in the new world, it was obvious from the beginning that Luffy wouldn't be able to drop Doffy without a handicap or some per-injuries to Doflamingo.
Like Crocodile…or Eneru...hey the comparisons to Alabasta and Skypiea continue! ....not in a good way this time...
Actually that can be figured out pretty well with this page.
Anyone can edit a Wiki, so it's not always the best source of information. In this case, though, it's fairly accurate.
@Fire Fist:
Anyone can edit a Wiki, so it's not always the best source of information. In this case, though, it's fairly accurate.
Completely accurate and anytime you question a wiki, simply look at its sources to check for accuracy. It's not hard to do. I remember when they thought an image of Doffy was Corason. Was funny but I never fell for it lol
Completely accurate and anytime you question a wiki, simply look at its sources to check for accuracy. It's not hard to do. I remember when they thought an image of Doffy was Corason. Was funny but I never fell for it lol
The problem is that "story arc" is a fan term that doesn't have a source.
Stuff like "Baratie Arc" or Alabasta Arc" are not official.
And I like how you say they are completely accurate, but lists a time when they weren't. So should I trust it?
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One good arc Oda,is that too much to ask for?
Yes, because different opinions and interpretations mean not everybody will be pleased.
The problem is that "story arc" is a fan term that doesn't have a source.
Stuff like "Baratie Arc" or Alabasta Arc" are not official.
And I like how you say they are completely accurate, but lists a time when they weren't. So should I trust it?
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Yes, because opinions mean not everybody will be pleased.
You misunderstood me. I'm saying that specific page is completely accurate, though I'll concede whether or not the "Pirate Alliance Saga" is a separate Saga from the start of Part 2 is questionable, but even the site acknowledges that. Either way, my point stands. If you question something, look at the sources the wiki uses and/or do a little research. Not hard.
As for your second statement- I meant one with generally good writing. Not just subjectively but objectively. Or at the very least, an arc that returns to feeling like One Piece again..one with quality fans expect the series to have…with less plotholes, less asspulls, and better pacing. It's both dragged out and rushed..he pulled that off somehow. With so many characters that he wasn't given enough time to develop them all.. with characters dissappearing or doing nothing...with major villians getting beaten a chapter each and in ways that show them to be essentially fodder.... how could anyone defend it?
Edit: as a note...i'm explaining my complaints with Dressrosa. I'd rather not go down the rabbit trail of my complaints with previous arcs right now.
Actually that can be figured out pretty well with this page.
The one piece wiki is complete shit and the sooner you realize and accept this, the better. It's good for grabbing like, timeline dates and birthdays, and that's it.
Otherwise you end up with things like "Doflamingo is dead" after Kyros beheaded his string clone and "Koala is a boy".
Luffy actually should be able to do most of Bellamy's tricks anyway actually.
Crazy theory time: Spring Hopper comes from string hopper, just like baribari pistol and gumgum pistol, and that's going to be the final punch of the battle.
AP at it again…. I'm off to work and be back when spoiler is out in 2days or less time.
And miss all the April Fools fun?
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I find it funny and sad that people find One Piece Wiki to be complete shit yet it's run by human beings who makes mistakes and always like to fight each other. Not only that it's free to edit. Not only that; when Arlong Park gets it's own wiki, people would praise it for being a perfect piece of work despite the mistake they make. Yes, One Piece Wiki is run by idiots, but that does not mean you can't improve it. Arlong Park is mostly idiotic in nature and no one is complaining. At least One Piece Wikia does a good job keeping you informed of things. So suck it up and fix it like a man. P.S. I'm a idiot too. Anyway why do people think Oda is lacking quality here?
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@joekido:
P.S. I'm a idiot too. Anyway why do people think Oda is lacking quality here?
Comparisons to his earlier work. And some things are just objectively worse then they used to be. And some were always bad, but not as noticeable.
High expectations, because he is actually talented and used to use said talent properly.
Little things.
It's funny how this arc alone has at the same time the WORST chapter of the series (yes, it's 755, i couldn't believe that i was actually reading one piece and i thought it was a bad dream), and one of the best in the series (senor pink's one, that one). Funny also how both chapters were centered about him and Franky. Maybe because after that tragic incident i gave up all hope and read 775 with the lowest of expectations, and in the end it blew me away. While for the Law & Luffy vs Doflamingo fight we have high expectations and the fight has been more good overall than in single chapters so far.
But since there will be more fights and sad backstories up ahead, i really wonder how Oda will top this (for both worst chapter and best one).
And miss all the April Fools fun?
I hope this means talking about something other than power levels, what Fujitora is/isn't doing, and Trebol's "true purpose!"
APRIL FOOLS! That's never happening; back to the grind.
Ive read elsewhere how much of an asspull Law's teleportation was and how haxxed Doffy's stiching wasso Id like to point out that Law has been able to teleport den den mushis that were underneath clothing so the fact that he's able to switch himself the way he did this chapter is not an asspull. Regarding Doffy, it's stiching for gods sake. His dang strings are capable of attaching to clouds, blocking radio waves or wahtever type of waves den den mushis use to communicate, creating clones, controlling people, and cutting. Stitching his damaged organs is the most normal thing he's done as of yet.
Though I'm starting to have a hard time discerning what isn't antagonizing in your books…
So we've reached the culminant part of Dressrosa, all what's left is to know why was Trébol being kept by Doula's side 'till the very end, beat up Doula and find out who the mysterious guy in the palace it is.
I really just can't picture Burguess in the palace, opening a new bad situation with him just right when this long ass arc is finally going to end doesn't really seems too likely.
Holy poop, Darth went down lol, I'll give it 2 weeks to come back with a ShanksMissingAnArm nickname.
Darth got banned. Will he come back? Can we finally discuss about the chapter? Tune in
Though I'm starting to have a hard time discerning what isn't antagonizing in your books…
16 chars of RIP in pieces.
I think it's one of those April fools bans
Lol aren't you one and the same? I've always thought you were:ninja:
Nonono, I'm a completely distinct human being, complete with eyes, hair and a pair of hands. (unless I'm really a split personality of Darth and none of us is aware of it, in which case we both have a lot more to worry about than Oda's writing)
I'll admit, I'm a bit of a pessimist and I have the same love-hate relationship to Fuji so I might sound like Darth at times, but I'm nowhere near as adamant as he is in expressing my dislikes. Really, the peak of my activity post must have been ten lines twice a day. Does this sound Darth-ish to you ? 
Edit: oh, and now my posting right after Rob banned him comes as a complete validation of your theory. Wow, I wouldn't have pulled a better one even if I'd given it my whole… :ninja:
So we've reached the culminant part of Dressrosa, all what's left is to know why was Trébol being kept by Doula's side 'till the very end, beat up Doula and find out who the mysterious guy in the palace it is.
I really just can't picture Burguess in the palace, opening a new bad situation with him just right when this long ass arc is finally going to end doesn't really seems too likely.
Dont forget that key Doffy was tossing in the air from way back when. There was also that one participant that backed out in the colliseum. Id also like it if SAD was explained because I remember seeing the radiation symbol, but it doesnt seem dangerous at all. There is also that Marine(I think) that Violet was going to meet. How about why Doffy wanted Momo? Or an expanantion as to why Momo felt disturbed(I dont know how.to describe his reaction to it since I dont quite remember clearly) when he was staring at the Sunny's lion figure after Giora transformed the ship. How about an explantion to Gioras art that was supposedly based on what happened in Dressrosa. I dont see how that art piece reflects Dressrosa's tragedy at all. There might be more… Too much info to remember... Having the details spread out is making it hard to keep track of things xD
Wait, Darth was banned??
Good riddance if I may say so.
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@Steven:
Inevitable–but that's what happens when you make your forum gimmick essentially buying a ticket to Furious 7, getting angry that it isn't Citizen Kane, and yelling at people about it.
lol.sums up why his complaining is senseless.
You need a Lincoln-pony avatar sir
That is such a boomerang statement.
Must admit I thought he was describing himself too.
Strange that he could not see that.
A forced timeout is probably a good thing for him to have at this point.
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lol.sums up why his complaining is senseless.
Pretty much yes, I know a few on some other forums who are the same but the subject was on the Star Trek reboot films, they thought that if they argued enough then everyone would suddenly agree with them… it never happened and they also got banned in the end.
Oh come one who banned Darth.
People get a pass for a lot worse. April Fools?
This is the only day when I'm actually tempted to look at spoilers.
Nooooooooo
Darth! Bring him back !
People get a pass for a lot worse. April Fools?
This is the only day when I'm actually tempted to look at spoilers.
I doubt he's gone. Too obvious a timing for it to happen. And let's face it, at this point he's become everyone's favourite nagging little grandpa.
It would be fun if he came back in a few hours with his username, avatar and sig clad in Sakazuki's colours.
