Spiders? Although i'm not entirely sure that Zoan are anytihng except for mammals and reptiles.
We already have a spider.
Spiders? Although i'm not entirely sure that Zoan are anytihng except for mammals and reptiles.
We already have a spider.
i'm not entirely sure that Zoan are anytihng except for mammals and reptiles.
Kabu and Bianne got insect zoans. And there are also the birds (Pell, Marco) and there is also Smiley.
As epic as Zoro's new Sanzen Seikei was, it was hard to make out who did the King Punch. Who did it?
As epic as Zoro's new Sanzen Seikei was, it was hard to make out who did the King Punch. Who did it?
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Zoros one liner.
Top middle pannel.
clearly it was God Usopp
@DHL:
Zoros one liner.
Top middle pannel.
A reference to this:
@Bond:
The traditional Yakuza value is: “katagi ni meiwaku wo kakenai.” This means, “We do not bother ordinary citizens.”
https://emmausroadprojects.wordpress.com/tag/yakuza/
Of course, leave it to MangaStream to throw in unnecessary words to make it sound "edgy"
I think it should be noted(if it hasn't already) that this the healthiest Zoro has ever been.
Pre-Timeskip he was always in recovery mode in all of his fights, which would slow him down and put him back into recovery mode. We never got to see Zoro at full strength the entire time he's been a Strawhat. A Constant cycle, that was necessarily broken by the Timeskip.
Not only is he healthy but he trained with Mihawk, and by my calculations he's still got a ways to go to catch up. Mihawk wouldn't have needed the Admiral, and wouldn't be tired at all after cutting down Pika.
There was strategy to Zoro's fight. I'm not just talking about going with Tactics No. 5 or using Orlumbus/the King, though that also shows tactical thinking on Zoro's end which is a first.
The whole slicing to Pica's real body was an obstacle that Zoro overcame throughout the fight. We only saw the struggle a little bit and far between chapters, but it was there, and Zoro figured it out. It's definitely different than Zoro's usual dodge and slash and even different from figuring out how to cut steel battle, which while a bit simple, gave him a challenge, just not one that involves him bleeding half to death.
Willpower is a stat. I like that, not that it is a stat, but the wording of it is good. It's a nice way of putting the issue with Hardening.
For me, its an awesome chapter showcasing how powerful Zoro really is. Zoro's a beast no doubt about that but what I agree with with most of the comments about the chapter being lackluster is that how big of a let down Pica was as an opponent for Zoro given the hypes and stuff thrown all over the place throughout the entire Dressrosa arc. Not only for Pica but also for Diamante who where hyped as seats and on how powerful they are and it gave me some kind of high expectations for them to give at least a descent fight. Descent fight as in not off-paneled dragging fights but its all just the climaxes and its conclusions where both seats were easily dealt with the finishing blows.
What also irks me is that on how Dofla's crew is being easily treated as a set up opponents, given that the FI antagonists were for warm ups, for the up coming "Kaido or Bigmom" arc, rather than being a threat of their own. But we'll see.
I hope next week will see sanji's group in action
it would be interesting to see sanji & co now, but we still have bellamy & trebol & laws arm to deal with…. I think that might be first then a bit from sanji&co then the big fight..... Gear 4 anyone?
luffy was weaker than lucci. thats why he thought of a way to beat him by using gear second and third
Actually, it was motivated by Aokiji, not Lucci.
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What if Puffy already does have a fourth gear and hasn't used because he just didn't need it:ninja:
I'm looking forward to seeing this episode animated to hear Pica trash talking the King.
Why such strong person as Doflamingo has no strong team ? Zoro even didn't get a god damn scratch…
After TS Zoro is the only one who didn't fuck up. He almost beat Hody underwater with one shot. He beat Monet with one shot. And now he beats Pica with one shot. But on top of that he could hold back the marine admiral alone. For example Sanji got beaten by Doflamingo within a few seconds... And now Luffy has to show something more impressive than gears, otherwise Zoro may become a new capitan )))
What if Puffy already does have a fourth gear and hasn't used because he just didn't need it:ninja:
I thought that was obvious
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Why such strong person as Doflamingo has no strong team ? Zoro even didn't get a god damn scratch…
After TS Zoro is the only one who didn't fuck up. He almost beat Hody underwater with one shot. He beat Monet with one shot. And now he beats Pica with one shot. But on top of that he could hold back the marine admiral alone. For example Sanji got beaten by Doflamingo within a few seconds… And now Luffy has to show something more impressive than gears, otherwise Zoro may become a new capitan )))
Calm down mate, no need to spill ya beans
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I hope next week will see sanji's group in action
Maybe after Luffy becomes pirate king.
I think it should be noted(if it hasn't already) that this the healthiest Zoro has ever been.
Pre-Timeskip he was always in recovery mode in all of his fights, which would slow him down and put him back into recovery mode. We never got to see Zoro at full strength the entire time he's been a Strawhat. A Constant cycle, that was necessarily broken by the Timeskip.
Not only is he healthy but he trained with Mihawk
That is an important distinction there. During the East Blue and Grand Line Zoro was likely the most handicapped Strawhat of all in terms of shackling a superhuman member. That Mihawk wound took forever to heal and then he had to contend with getting a double dose of Oars and Kuma. Generally an excuse for him not to aid Luffy later on.
Since the Timeskip he has never had such a handicap, aside from the bizarre one with Monet. Thus he's literally and unstoppable force similar to Luffy, whom is also restrained by the author in a way so he only really ends up fighting near the end of the arc (like he is now stuck in a cellar dealing with Bellamy).
Perhaps another "weakened Zoro" situation is brewing in an upcoming arc? Right now it seems the main reason Fujitora has shown up now–to re-affirm that Zoro in not as invincible as he seems.
Strangely enough, Zoro's missing eye has not caused him any issues to be considered a handicap. Although adding depth perception to someone who has direction problems may be seen as overkill. Also he apparently doesn't have blindspot problems when fighting.
@Mr.:
That is an important distinction there. During the East Blue and Grand Line Zoro was likely the most handicapped Strawhat of all in terms of shackling a superhuman member. That Mihawk wound took forever to heal and then he had to contend with getting a double dose of Oars and Kuma. Generally an excuse for him not to aid Luffy later on.
Since the Timeskip he has never had such a handicap, aside from the bizarre one with Monet. Thus he's literally and unstoppable force similar to Luffy, whom is also restrained by the author in a way so he only really ends up fighting near the end of the arc (like he is now stuck in a cellar dealing with Bellamy).
Perhaps another "weakened Zoro" situation is brewing in an upcoming arc? Right now it seems the main reason Fujitora has shown up now–to re-affirm that Zoro in not as invincible as he seems.
His handicaps have been a bit more complex than that. Broadly speaking, his challenges can be divided into three categories:
Previously wounded: Orange Island (midway through), Arlong Park, and Sabaody Archipelago
Missing swords: part of Syrup Village, most of Arlong Park, and most of Thriller Bark
Natural disadvantage: Mr. One in Alabasta, Brahams and Ohm in Skypeia, and Kaku (sort of) in Enies Lobby
So the only arcs he's really been in a position to use his full strength are Baratie, the early Baroque Works arcs, Jaya, and Water 7. Coincidentally, he never has a serious opponent in any of those. Mihawk doesn't count and Mr. Five is a joke.
Many of Zoro's post-Timeskip opponents have had traits that would have hindered him in the past but no longer do. Hody tried to fight him underwater, Monet was a logia (and a girl), and Pica was huge, quick, and difficult to target. Pica is quite clearly the closest any villain has come to challenging Zoro post-TS, which to me clearly indicates that he's approaching legitimately tough opponents.
It would have been cool the see the slicing of Pica from Orlumbus's point of view :)
Chapter delivered satisfaction.
I'm looking forward to seeing this episode animated to hear Pica trash talking the King.
With the high pitched voice :-D
Yeah, it's circumstantial, but it was still damn impressive. And I doubt it would have worked as well as it did if he didn't draw her blood first.
Maybe display of overpowering would be more precise. But it was impressive because he didn't really hurt her.
I'd qualify it as an impressive display or mental domination or something along those lines.
Poor Monet.
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Tell me you enjoyed Zoro trying to act cool by reciting some buddhist mantra. . .while doing this face.
These last two chapters have been very gracious for Zoro's character, and he's felt more organically badass and less forced badass.
Haha, yeah I did enjoy the airborne face.
Like I said before, I actually really enjoyed this chapter, since Zoro actually implemented a strategy beyond slash slash slash one liner.
I wish Taschigi could see that show since she was wondering how strong the SHs are.
Lets see, what kind of Zoan fits with swords?
Monkey?
Apparently a giraffe :)
No seriously I would say a tiger or an alligator like the one in Kung Fu Panda 2.
Talking about Panda, it has to be Sanji's or Jinbe's opponent.
But the animal I want to see the most is
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I think the best commanders of Kaidou that would get to fight Zoro or Sanji are likely ancient zoans.
Zoro's enemy:
3 swords vs 3 horns:ninja:
I'm still hoping for Zoro's opponent in Kaido's crew to be a Preying Mantis zoan.
Related to Vergo. People used to think Vergo is some haki pro cause he did Full body CoA. Ever since Pica and Sai did, it could be likely that every CoA user out there could do it. Point is, I don't think Vergo was as good as we used to think.
@uniaka:
Related to Vergo. People used to think Vergo is some haki pro cause he did Full body CoA. Ever since Pica and Sai did, it could be likely that every CoA user out there could do it. Point is, I don't think Vergo was as good as we used to think.
Well, he was certainly the most advanced haki user that we had seen up until that point.
Well, he was certainly the most advanced haki user that we had seen up until that point.
He did seem to have very advanced haki skills for a Vice Admiral, shame that Sanji was injured when they fought, on saying that it seems that Sanji's blunt force attacks (as opposed to piercing/edge) didn't actually injure him even though it smashed his head into the wall and made his head/neck bend at an odd angle. Which made me think of some kind of flex DF as that would surely have broken his neck haki or no haki, but then again we have seen situations far more unlikely before now in One Piece.
Would have been interesting to see if Zoro would have been able to get through Vergo's defenses as easily as he did Pica's, I personally think that he would have.
this is Zoro's opponent from Kaido's crew lol
I found it hard really had to rate this chapter. As I no real reason to care much for this fight. We were told months ago that he was no match for Zoro. I do wish Pica Hadn't had his threat level, killed off 22 chapters before he actually went down. It would have made far better viewing, If I could believe he could pose just a tiny bit of threat to Zoro.
@uniaka:
Related to Vergo. People used to think Vergo is some haki pro cause he did Full body CoA. Ever since Pica and Sai did, it could be likely that every CoA user out there could do it. Point is, I don't think Vergo was as good as we used to think.
People in this thread wondered how Zoro was able to cut full blown CoA Pika whereas Sanji's leg broke against Vergo's CoA-leg.
IIRC Oda once stated that each M3-member concentrates on a certain Haki-colour:
Luffy … CoC (Conqueror)
Zoro ... CoA (Armor)
Sanji ... CoO (Observation)
So it is reasonable that Luffy's CoA wasn't as suffisticated against Hody when he got bit whereas Zoro's CoA is at badassery-lvl 9000.
The fact in this chapter that made me liking it was that Zoro figured out how Pika's DF works and we were also shown how it works (though MP f*cked it up again).
Pika lost the fight in the moment after the first big slash when he got lured into the upper Body. Zoro then cornered him somewhere in the giant arm. If he stayed in the lower half Body he could have escaped into the ground and Play further cat and mouse with Zoro.
The line "my haki is better than yours" is very shonen-stereotypical and not my taste.
The bystanders' reactions were awesome as well. In manga astonished bystander-faces are pretty cool, whereas in Anime they can become pretty annoying.
Vergo being like made of metal just from sheer hakiness brought us many headaches, some of which shalt not be spoken of or mentioned, since they might awaken an ancient evil sleeping under the ruins of APforums Hall of Shame.
But I think a better option would've been Vergo using Tekkai mix with haki. That way, tekkai gets out of this "useless limbo" where it is resting now because of CoA hardening, and we'd get a better result of Vergo's superior iron defense than "the prescription says more haki!". That, plus tekkai was many times more badass a technique than my willpower gives me super armor, and to see it die like that is a shame, yet my willpower allows me to turn my super badass armor into leg breakimg super badass armor 2.0? Sounds better, at least to me. . .
We already have a spider.
There are thousands of spider species, so there could be room for different models of spiderzoans, sort of like how there are different models of the feline fruit.
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@.access:
Kabu and Bianne got insect zoans. And there are also the birds (Pell, Marco) and there is also Smiley.
oh yeah, they do. So there are room for spiderzoans then.
There are thousands of spider species, so there could be room for different models of spiderzoans, sort of like how there are different models of the feline fruit.
It's possible, but I don't see Oda reusing it any time soon. As far as normal zoans are concerned.
We should get a shitload of duplicates when we see Kaido's zoan army.
After re reading the chapter I realize now the best part of the chapter was that Zoro flying face. Different from the usual Zoro face Oda draws and quite amusing
Vergo being like made of metal just from sheer hakiness brought us many headaches, some of which shalt not be spoken of or mentioned, since they might awaken an ancient evil sleeping under the ruins of APforums Hall of Shame.
But I think a better option would've been Vergo using Tekkai mix with haki. That way, tekkai gets out of this "useless limbo" where it is resting now because of CoA hardening, and we'd get a better result of Vergo's superior iron defense than "the prescription says more haki!". That, plus tekkai was many times more badass a technique than my willpower gives me super armor, and to see it die like that is a shame, yet my willpower allows me to turn my super badass armor into leg breakimg super badass armor 2.0? Sounds better, at least to me. . .
Isn't that what Vergo did? He clearly used several Rokushiki techniques. Plus Sanji's comment on how is body was made out of iron made me think of Tekkai which literally means Iron Mass.
Vergo is surely executive level, I'm betting him or Monet will return towards the end of this arc.
Zoro won too easily against Pika in my opinion, Oda needed to stop giving him quick badass victories and test him, this being the perfect chance. It may have been better if Zoro and Pika were still fighting during Luffy's upcoming fight with Donflamingo, so at least it looked like more of a struggle for Zoro and it'd get some proper panel time.
People are pointing out the strength difference between Zoro and Sanji now that Zoro just wiped Pika out with one big shot. It seems logical that Zoro is stronger than Sanji, but not by a huge of a margin like some people think. The SHs fighting levels seem to shoot up in the main fights… their will to defeat their opponent is one of their biggest assets and I think Zoro had that against Pika whereas Sanji's fight with Vergo was out of nowhere to hold Vergo back. Many times have we seen the SHs lose to an opponent and return to beat them... their strength grows so quickly and I'd say there's a difference between then now and Punk Hazard. It's only right that the SHs progress quickly, we've seen how ridiculous the Yonko level is.
It's possible, but I don't see Oda reusing it any time soon. As far as normal zoans are concerned.
We should get a shitload of duplicates when we see Kaido's zoan army.
Yeah, I doubt he will place all that much time on designing every fodder to look extremely unique. So most of the normal crewmembers probably look like cats and dogs. The exception being some form of elite. Probably a couple of mythical and ancient zoans.
His handicaps have been a bit more complex than that. Broadly speaking, his challenges can be divided into three categories:
Previously wounded: Orange Island (midway through), Arlong Park, and Sabaody Archipelago
Missing swords: part of Syrup Village, most of Arlong Park, and most of Thriller Bark
Natural disadvantage: Mr. One in Alabasta, Brahams and Ohm in Skypeia, and Kaku (sort of) in Enies Lobby
So the only arcs he's really been in a position to use his full strength are Baratie, the early Baroque Works arcs, Jaya, and Water 7. Coincidentally, he never has a serious opponent in any of those. Mihawk doesn't count and Mr. Five is a joke.
Many of Zoro's post-Timeskip opponents have had traits that would have hindered him in the past but no longer do. Hody tried to fight him underwater, Monet was a logia (and a girl), and Pica was huge, quick, and difficult to target. Pica is quite clearly the closest any villain has come to challenging Zoro post-TS, which to me clearly indicates that he's approaching legitimately tough opponents.
Excellent post!
I'd also add Little Garden arc, he had to nearly chop his legs off to save everyone iirc.
Next week will be the moment of truth for Trebol.
Will he jump down and initiate a 1 on 1 with someone?
Pick up where Pica left off and antagonize everyone?
Team up with Burgess?
Run off?
Or will he be punted off the palace by an angry luffy to show that Its Serious Time!!!
i always thought hardening was supposed to be the opposite of sharpening so i didn't expect it to be used on swords giving the contradiction .. my best guess is that the "blackness" is not exclusive to the hardening technique it shows whenever someone is using any type of armament
the reason why we didn't see this blackness before the timeskip may be due to the fact that one piece has luffy as it's main character as it follows his life events and experiences and since he couldn't see it back then we couldn't as well , still remains some contradictions with this like the hody bite scene but that's all i could come up with given this terribly explained and constructed haki world
i guess at least now we won't be having as much arguments debating whether or not a swordsman is using haki on his swords (or so i hope) , i think this settles the law cutting vergo with haki argument as well (still hoping)
It would have been cool the see the slicing of Pica from Orlumbus's point of view :)
close enough
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I actually had a dream last night where Trebol jumped down, immediately knocked out Zoro and then went on to pwn everybody (including the Strawhats who aren`t actually on the Island right now, lol) except for Franky for some reason, who managed to avoid his attacks and ran off. That was really weird, heh. I guess I really want Trebol to have a fight.
i always thought hardening was supposed to be the opposite of sharpening so i didn't expect it to be used on swords giving the contradiction .. my best guess is that the "blackness" is not exclusive to the hardening technique it shows whenever someone is using any type of armament
the reason why we didn't see this blackness before the timeskip may be due to the fact that one piece has luffy as it's main character as it follows his life events and experiences and since he couldn't see it back then we couldn't as well , still remains some contradictions with this like the hody bite scene but that's all i could come up with given this terribly explained and constructed haki world
i guess at least now we won't be having as much arguments debating whether or not a swordsman is using haki on his swords (or so i hope) , i think this settles the law cutting vergo with haki argument as well (still hoping)
close enough
There's no contradiction. If you're going to use your sword to cut a mountain of rocks and you can use Hardening Haki, why risk cutting it without protecting your swords. Likewise, if you're going to cut a man coated in Hardening head to toe, you need to apply the same to your swords. It's not like Zoro's swords are made from inifinitely hard, undestructible material.
The reason it hasn't appeared before is our heroes didn't know anything about it since it wasn't explained. There was no context for people to suddenly start throwing punches with blackened fists.
There's no contradiction. If you're going to use your sword to cut a mountain of rocks and you can use Hardening Haki, why risk cutting it without protecting your swords. Likewise, if you're going to cut a man coated in Hardening head to toe, you need to apply the same to your swords. It's not like Zoro's swords are made from inifinitely hard, undestructible material.
you mean he may have supported the blunt sides of his swords with hardening instead of the sharp ones ? this actually makes more sense i didn't think of it that way although it does make things even more complicated , now i kinda appreciate the use of the author dialogue captions in a manga it would've made things much easier
you mean he may have supported the blunt sides of his swords with hardening instead of the sharp ones ? this actually makes more sense i didn't think of it that way although it does make things even more complicated , now i kinda appreciate the use of the author dialogue captions in a manga it would've made things much easier
I don't think Oda thought the physics of it through that much.
More like: Zoro Hardens his swords. They are now harder to break and their cutting power is increased. It's super effective!
He did seem to have very advanced haki skills for a Vice Admiral, shame that Sanji was injured when they fought, on saying that it seems that Sanji's blunt force attacks (as opposed to piercing/edge) didn't actually injure him even though it smashed his head into the wall and made his head/neck bend at an odd angle. Which made me think of some kind of flex DF as that would surely have broken his neck haki or no haki, but then again we have seen situations far more unlikely before now in One Piece.
Would have been interesting to see if Zoro would have been able to get through Vergo's defenses as easily as he did Pica's, I personally think that he would have.
Sanji did injure him because we saw blood coming from his mouth.
@TLC:
Isn't that what Vergo did? He clearly used several Rokushiki techniques. Plus Sanji's comment on how is body was made out of iron made me think of Tekkai which literally means Iron Mass.
But everytime he used a rokushiki technique it was appropiately mentioned by someone watching, yet tekkai was never mentioned. Also, when Doffy narrated Vergo's ultimate form he made it pretty explicit about it being pure CoA armor, so with no other clues to go by we should come to the conclusion that Sanji faced pure haki instead of tekkai + haki.
@Daz:
Next week will be the moment of truth for Trebol.
Will he jump down and initiate a 1 on 1 with someone?
Pick up where Pica left off and antagonize everyone?
Team up with Burgess?
Run off?
Or will he be punted off the palace by an angry luffy to show that Its Serious Time!!!
Plan F: none of the above, cause it's Bellamy time!