Official Totland Thread

[Green-Hair 0]

@Monkey:

Same place as Big Mom's.
Off screen and panel until we get to a point where Oda shows them.

We were introduced to members of the Redhair pirates in chapter one lol.

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I basically meant we haven't seen any Red-haired pirates since the second half of One Piece. I'm sure they'll make an appearance sometime in the Yonko saga, but one would think one of the strongest crews in the world would be a little more popular in the new world so far. I guess they're not the focus right now, but with characters like Ben Beckman, Lucky Roo, and other interesting crew members barely getting panel time I'm beginning to get a little impatient lol.

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@EvoWarrior5:

Thing is, from a story point of view, Oda only shows things that are plot-relevant, and Shanks' crew are too nice (to the Straw Hats) to be of any importance thus far. They will come up, though, don't worry.

From an in-world point of view, although the Yonkou dominate the New World, the Straw Hats have only been to 4 islands thus far - and that is counting Zou which was under no Yonkou's jurisdiction. You can't really expect to have seen all 4 Yonkou by that point. The Straw Hats have mainly moved through the territory of Kaidou, and after the run-in with Big Mom's ship their path was diverted to her territory as well. And they saw Burgess in Dressrosa, only because of the tournament. We haven't even reached the halfway point, even after skipping the first set of islands. Having met with the crew of 3 Yonkou is just about right, if not already impressive.

It doesn't have to indicate that Shanks' forces are any less than the others; it just means they haven't gotten to any territory where he has business.

Yeah, I wonder where Shanks' territory is, how much it is, and if other Yonkos a la Blackbeard are constantly trying to take it. It'll be interesting to find out.

[Shadowgreed]

How come no one mentioned Kidd when talking about Kaido, is pretty clear by now that Kidd will be involved during that battle and won't be a sideline character at it.

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[sanji''s_dad]

@Shadowgreed:

How come no one mentioned Kidd when talking about Kaido, is pretty clear by now that Kidd will be involved during that battle and won't be a sideline character at it.

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people have already talked about kidd helping out since kaido sent kidd to give the warning to luffy/law since doflamingo was a warlord he just sent kidd to give them a warning plus people knew kidd would team up with them again back in sa luffy,law,kidd alliance was set up back then

[Shadowgreed]

@sanji''s_dad:

people have already talked about kidd helping out since kaido sent kidd to give the warning to luffy/law since doflamingo was a warlord he just sent kidd to give them a warning plus people knew kidd would team up with them again back in sa luffy,law,kidd alliance was set up back then

Pretty sure Kaido didn't send Kidd to find Luffy and Law… And that alliance you talked about was not set up back then Either, they just happen to be in the same place at the same time.

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[le crystal]

My lame predictions for this arc:

• Big Mum will obviously not be defeated this arc.
• The Fishmen Pirates will play a huge part in Big Mum's fall, especially Jinbei.
• Maybe there will be a very weird twist and all things will lead to a clash between Big Mum and Kaidou, but I hope this doesn't happen tbh.
• Pekoms gets a Bellamy moment.
• Or maybe Pekoms becomes the one who takes down Capone Bege.

About Pudding:

• I am currently on the Pudding is suspicious/she is pulling a Conis bandwagon. She was way too chill at the sight of Big Mum eating a subordinate. Also, Pedro held her by swordpoint. You are either acting or an overtly forgiving person to help someone after that.
• If she isn't and is genuinely trying to help the SHs… well she will possibly get punished, and dark plots ahead.
• The 'she can only open 2 eyes at once' theory makes an amount of sense.
• In Chinese (or generally South Asian I think) beliefs, a person with a so-called 3rd eye has the ability to see ghosts and supernatural stuff (I do belief in this superstition, if you wonder). Oda might incorporate this belief into the story, and maybe Pudding can see through… stuff. (I wanted to say that she could see through lies or whatnot, but that would clash with Violet.)

[Fraco]

Maybe her third eye is somehow related with dreams, perceptions and something like that. She Made a reference to her dreams speaking about sanji. I know it's speculation tho. And probably bs

[RobZilla]

@Game:

Big Mom prolly chews up and eats people to make the living objects.

That seems a bit too similar to Wapol's Baku Baku no Mi?

[Roronoa Zacho]

Things are going way too smooth for Luffy and co.
The fact, that Pudding is leading the SHs into a possible trap, doesn't make her a super sinister villain. Like leCrystal wrote, I also believe, that Pudding is pulling off a "Conis" on the SHs.
And the 3-eyed Girl is Pudding, as well as I think, that Pudding wasn't 100% OK with the stuff BM did to her subordinates/living lunch. There is a difference to Bobbin.
What would you do if you were on a leash of your super powerful mom? Pudding's only alternative would be the same as Lola's: run away and seek for love yourself. I consider she is not as "superstrong" as Lola, so that alternative is crossed out.
IMO the 3-eyed-girl's face-Expression told sth like she wasn't really OK with what BM did.

What I'll await for this arc:
The plan was to get Sanji back, but just like DR's plan was it to destroy the Smile-Factory, a lot of things will go wrong and get more complicated again.
I doubt BM gets defeated this arc, but I assume there could be one or another assassin/troublemaker among the party-guests (excl. the SHs).
We have the fishman pirates there and we still don't know what Germa66 is up to. If they are the warmongers I have in mind, then bonding with a woman, who has united all races in one place, doesn't fit with their Agenda/ideology. And Daddy Vinsmoke still has to have bonds with the WG, if he has the power to Change a bounty.
I hope for a huge clusterf*ck at the climax of this (rescue-) arc.

[K. Kira XXIII]

I wonder if Oda is going for the punchline: "Anyone protests this marriage?", for Luffy to stand up finally declares his name +pirate king line. That's where the real fight begins, because so far he is ~hiding~ whom he is by covering his hat, jajalulu.

[Shadowgreed]

@Tamiel:

I wonder if Oda is going for the punchline: "Anyone protests this marriage?", for Luffy to stand up finally declares his name +pirate king line. That's where the real fight begins, because so far he is ~hiding~ whom he is by covering his hat, jajalulu.

I rather give that privilege to Nami! I can just picture Sanji hearing that voice saying "Yo me opongo".

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[K. Kira XXIII]

@Shadowgreed:

I rather give that privilege to Nami! I can just picture Sanji hearing that voice saying "Yo me opongo".

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True, but let's face it, if that happens, we can say bye bye to Pudding from Sanji's perspective, he will go nuts if she does. I just want Luffy to declare his presence there, we get it every time, his name and what he seeks to be, I just can't imagine the tone, the tension that could lead up to that point.

[Shadowgreed]

@Tamiel:

True, but let's face it, if that happens, we can say bye bye to Pudding from Sanji's perspective, he will go nuts if she does.

Actually that might end up creating some friction between Sanji and Nami's character (romance is in the air?) and will most likely give a comic aspect to Pudding's character once she joins the crew (If she does)…

I just want Luffy to declare his presence there, we get it every time, his name and what he seeks to be, I just can't imagine the tone, the tension that could lead up to that point.

I see what you mean but we also have the deal with Jimbi which seems to be the perfect opportunity for Luffy to declare his objectives.

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[Kaptayn]

Sanji saved Nami from Absalom back in Thriller Bark, it would be cool if she saved him from Big Mom this time.

[RamistaR]

Will the parallel go as far as having Sanji wear a wedding dress ?

[The Tenth Strawhat]

I wonder, how is there a juice river flowing to the sea? Where does the juice come from? Or better yet, is it actually even juice at all?:blink::sick:

[joekido the Second]

@The:

I wonder, how is there a juice river flowing to the sea? Where does the juice come from? Or better yet, is it actually even juice at all?:blink::sick:

It can be explained by magic

[sanji''s_dad]

@The:

I wonder, how is there a juice river flowing to the sea? Where does the juice come from? Or better yet, is it actually even juice at all?:blink::sick:

Maybe the juice is the blood of all the candy people big mom eats.

[RomanceDawn]

So what is everyone's thoughts on Pudding? Was she playing a game and fooled the crew into going straight to Whole Cake or was she sincere but Big Mom got wind and intercepted their meeting at the shore?

Everything about her seems so nice and genuine, I know somethings up but I just don't see her being bad yet. It was that jelly a$$ Nitro snitching info over to Big Mom and her commanders some how!

[EvoWarrior5]

What I'm bothered by is how she never told anyone "If I'm not there when you arrive, don't go into the forest." She must have known about it. If she didn't that would be weird. So I'm not sure what to think, it might be another Conis-type situation.

[The Tenth Strawhat]

Pudding reminds me of Conis in a way that she looks like a kindhearted girl and acts sincere towards the SHs, especially when she was talking about Sanji. She wouldn't find it in her heart to deceive them even if she had to. Although, Nitro never came into my mind as being the one passing info to BM. You may be onto something Ro.

[RamistaR]

Well Vivi did forget to mention most of the desert's danger until they were confronted to those.

[Tangaroa]

@RamistaR:

Well Vivi did forget to mention most of the desert's danger until they were confronted to those.

I love Vivi, but she wasn't always the brightest was she? Hopefully that was mostly down to youth.

[parklane21]

The story is really forcing Luffy to deal with Big Mam before Kaidou. But then I thought of Magelan and Impel Down. Luffy never defeated that guy and just run away from the place. Though he can hold him back to some extent. I think that is what Totland is spiraling into. Big Mam is gonna be the big bad in the arc and Luffy will have confrontation(s) with her, but ultimately decides to just run away with the people he came for and some. And just like Impel Down, Black Beard is gonna come in the end and take advantage of what Luffy's group already caused.

[Thegreato]

My thoughts on Big Mam and "Totland" so far.

According to Big Mam, all she wants is to create an equal utopia for all races in the world and to be able to sit down at the table meeting her family at eye level without a care in the world.

While Mama's dream is innocent sounding and honest it falls in line with the running theme of the Big Mam Pirates; "Sweet on the outside, but terror just beneath the surface".

Almost like Dressrosa and Doflamingo. But with Dressrosa, Doffy only put on a face for the public and saw himself as above everyone else; enjoying playing with his puppets; Big Mom on the other hand is almost completely delusional. Sure, she has some really "wonderful" and "idealistic" goals, but she doesn't really seem to care how many people have to die or suffer to achieve them. Even then the "utopia" she's created is under constant threat of her "cravings". She goes on rampages causing mass destruction and even takes the lives of her own children, and when she comes to her senses she barely bats an eye let alone care about who she's hurt; making her a massive hypocrite.

All Big Mam really wants is to selfishly live in her own fantasy world, where she everything is perfect and nothing is wrong. And that's exactly what it is. A fantasy. It isn't real, it's artificial and held together by fear and violence. No matter who dies or how many people she hurts, the party is always going.

[jazzflower92]

@Thegreato:

My thoughts on Big Mam and "Totland" so far.According to Big Mam, all she wants is to create an equal utopia for all races in the world and to be able to sit down at the table meeting her family at eye level without a care in the world.While Mama's dream is innocent sounding and honest it falls in line with the running theme of the Big Mam Pirates; "Sweet on the outside, but terror just beneath the surface". Almost like Dressrosa and Doflamingo. But with Dressrosa, Doffy only put on a face for the public and saw himself as above everyone else; enjoying playing with his puppets; Big Mom on the other hand is almost completely delusional. Sure, she has some really "wonderful" and "idealistic" goals, but she doesn't really seem to care how many people have to die or suffer to achieve them. Even then the "utopia" she's created is under constant threat of her "cravings". She goes on rampages causing mass destruction and even takes the lives of her own children, and when she comes to her senses she barely bats an eye let alone care about who she's hurt; making her a massive hypocrite. All Big Mam really wants is to selfishly live in her own fantasy world, where she everything is perfect and nothing is wrong. And that's exactly what it is. A fantasy. It isn't real, it's artificial and held together by fear and violence. No matter who dies or how many people she hurts, the party is always going.

That's also the vibe I get from her as well, because everything about Big Mom is just twisted. She makes little things like food into something killing others over.

[MrBits]

It just dawned on me how many villains there are this arc.

1. Big Mom
2. Judge
3. Reiju
4. Yonji
5. "Ichiji"
6. "Niji"
7. Capone
8. Vito
9. Gotti
10. Tamago
11. Bobbin
12. Brulee
13. Cracker
14. Perospero
15. Randolph
Along with at least 5 other distinctly designed but unnamed Big Mom crew. (2 members shown alongside Randolph during Big Mom's song, and 3 others during her hunger rampage).

Now some of them are probably just background characters that won't really have an impact on the plot (particularly Gotti), but I'm suddenly getting worried Oda's overloading this arc.

[MrPecans]

For all we know the Vinsmoke family and Big Mom crew fights (if they both even happen at all or in this arc) will be handled at different stages of the arc and I doubt anyone but Capone himself, from his crew, will be shown much attention. I don't think he's necessarily overpacking things yet. He definitely did that in Dressrosa though (with characters in general).

[The Tenth Strawhat]

Now that we know the name of BM's DF and have a general understanding of how it works, how do you think the power fares in battle?

We know she's naturally strong as BM was tearing through Totland during her Croquembouche craving. Maybe she can order the souls she took to fight for her, or maybe she can turn them into weapons or something.

[KageKageKing]

@The:

Now that we know the name of BM's DF and have a general understanding of how it works, how do you think the power fares in battle?

We know she's naturally strong as BM was tearing through Totland during her Croquembouche craving. Maybe she can order the souls she took to fight for her, or maybe she can turn them into weapons or something.

She literally bombed the city with a sun.

[Lucky Dragon]

@Thegreato:

My thoughts on Big Mam and "Totland" so far.

According to Big Mam, all she wants is to create an equal utopia for all races in the world and to be able to sit down at the table meeting her family at eye level without a care in the world.

While Mama's dream is innocent sounding and honest it falls in line with the running theme of the Big Mam Pirates; "Sweet on the outside, but terror just beneath the surface".

Almost like Dressrosa and Doflamingo. But with Dressrosa, Doffy only put on a face for the public and saw himself as above everyone else; enjoying playing with his puppets; Big Mom on the other hand is almost completely delusional. Sure, she has some really "wonderful" and "idealistic" goals, but she doesn't really seem to care how many people have to die or suffer to achieve them. Even then the "utopia" she's created is under constant threat of her "cravings". She goes on rampages causing mass destruction and even takes the lives of her own children, and when she comes to her senses she barely bats an eye let alone care about who she's hurt; making her a massive hypocrite.

All Big Mam really wants is to selfishly live in her own fantasy world, where she everything is perfect and nothing is wrong. And that's exactly what it is. A fantasy. It isn't real, it's artificial and held together by fear and violence. No matter who dies or how many people she hurts, the party is always going.

Good points, a fair assessment of who the character is, but I would like to add that she has some very intriguing "upsides" to her.

I'm curious as to why it's so important to her to have all races represented in her family. The way she expresses what her dream is suggests everyone in Totto Land is "family" to her. Between that, and having lots of kids with different racial heredity, gives me the impression she is setting the standard she expects from Totto Land as a whole through example.

The fact that she isn't "conventionally" attractive, like Nami or Robin, but apparently has a long history of being promiscuous is pretty unique. If nothing else it's a memorable detail about her. Luffy and Nami meeting a former husband of hers last chapter makes this more interesting. He could have easily said something along the lines of. "She's the worst! I'd rather be out in the woods than be around her!" But instead he seemed sincerely upset about being dumped and forgotten. Implying affectionate feelings did exist at one point on his end. Makes one wonder how her other husbands view her and how those viewpoints differ.

When you think about it Big Mom's basically a monstrous foil to Whitebeard, in the sense that both are parental figures to a large family, both rely on the assistance of said family, and the significance of family on a personal level is integral to both characters. That's pretty cool in a distorted fun house mirror reflection kind of way.

[hosemisnuba]

@MrBits:

It just dawned on me how many villains there are this arc.

1. Big Mom
2. Judge
3. Reiju
4. Yonji
5. "Ichiji"
6. "Niji"
7. Capone
8. Vito
9. Gotti
10. Tamago
11. Bobbin
12. Brulee
13. Cracker
14. Perospero
15. Randolph
Along with at least 5 other distinctly designed but unnamed Big Mom crew. (2 members shown alongside Randolph during Big Mom's song, and 3 others during her hunger rampage).

Now some of them are probably just background characters that won't really have an impact on the plot (particularly Gotti), but I'm suddenly getting worried Oda's overloading this arc.

Honestly, its not that big of a deal. As long as there aren't five bajillion different factions like Dressrosa, I think this arc will be totally fine.

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

I could easily see the Vinsmokes being the big bads of the arc. They're strong, but not ridiculously so, and of course their ties to Sanji have made them much more villainous. Meanwhile Big Mom has 84 children, gajillions of homies and subordinates, and she's one of the four most powerful pirates in the world. I don't think half the Straw Hats + 2 minks can go against that right now.

[TheGreatCaptainUsopp]

So, is there no chapter this week? OPP just reported that US Jump won't get 836 til the 22nd.

[Buggy D. Clown]

@TheGreatCaptainUsopp:

So, is there no chapter this week? OPP just reported that US Jump won't get 836 til the 22nd.

Yea no chapter this week. We will probably get a chapter on the 17/18th

[uniaka ikuzakas]

@Kaido:

I could easily see the Vinsmokes being the big bads of the arc. They're strong, but not ridiculously so, and of course their ties to Sanji have made them much more villainous. Meanwhile Big Mom has 84 children, gajillions of homies and subordinates, and she's one of the four most powerful pirates in the world. I don't think half the Straw Hats + 2 minks can go against that right now.

Not good enough for this arc's main villains. Sanji already beat 1 of the sons and had a balanced fight with the leader judge and can likely beat him at the end of this arc.

SH may lack 4 men this arc, but that's why Pedro, carrot, pekoms, ceasar clown, capone, jimbei, the sun pirate crew can replace them and be even much stronger then the normal crew. Not to mention all the help they can get from tea party guests that will show up.

besides, defeating germa66 may unlock sanji, but it won't unlock Jimbei, pekoms, Pedro if BM catches him stealing her poneglyph information.

Besides, there is no more fitting place then this arc for BM to fall since it's her home. And Oda does take the time to show us her home, dream, df power, relation and allies, what is going on with BM stealing the years from her people, her crew and their powers, everything there is to her. If this was just a ''escape BM arc'' I don't think he would reveal all of this.

It's just like when people said Doflamingo won't fall in dressrosa because he is too strong. The island unfolds same way it was with Dressrosa, we had a reveal about how people lose their years so they can stay on the island, same way we found out about all the toys in dressrosa that are actual people.

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

People weren't expecting Doflamingo to fall? LOL, glad I missed that.

Yonji wasn't expecting for Sanji to be as strong as he is, and just because Sanji fought Judge for a little bit before getting defeated doesn't mean he's on the same level as his father.

Of course, Big Mom is going to be heavily involved in this arc. That's highly obvious. But she is a Yonko, on the caliber of Whitebeard and Kaido. It took the entire Marines and Shichibukai to take Whitebeard down, and it's going to take a mega pirate alliance of thousands of people to have even a dream of taking Kaido down. I'm really not buying that Big Mom is going to be defeated by half the Straw Hats + Sun Pirates + assorted allies they get. As it is now, the Straw Hats are being completely overwhelmed by a FRACTION of her subordinates.

[Count Mario]

I'd also like to throw in that, along with how unlikely it is for the Straw Hats to beat Big Mom, it's very likely that Big Mom and Kaido will clash at some point. I'm sure it's been brought up before, but the fact that we now know that Caesar is incremental to both Big Mom and Kaido's dreams being fulfilled has me pretty sure that they're going to play tug-o-war with him. The fact that they both want the Straw Hats eliminated is also another major thread. Now, I'm not saying that we have to see a full-scale war or that Big Mom will suddenly ally with Luffy at Wano, but it's almost inevitable for these two Yonko to not butt heads at some point with their plot lines converging in and out throughout the New World.

[TheGreatCaptainUsopp]

Am I the only who thinks that Luffy and the others are going to have to fake a marriage between Sanji and Nami that'd be like official on paper so Sanji would be able to get out of the marriage with Pudding? It seems like such an Oda thing to do if only because of the comedic aspect of it.

[KageKageKing]

@TheGreatCaptainUsopp:

Am I the only who thinks that Luffy and the others are going to have to fake a marriage between Sanji and Nami that'd be like official on paper so Sanji would be able to get out of the marriage with Pudding? It seems like such an Oda thing to do if only because of the comedic aspect of it.

I not think that can works with pirates.

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

Sometimes my mind gets to thinking that if Big Mom decided to stop playing in the Seducing Woods and go after the Straw Hats herself, the series would be over.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@KageKageKing:

I not think that can works with pirates.

There might be a mock trial though if oda wants to really allude to Alice in Wonderland

[KageKageKing]

@Long:

There might be a mock trial though if oda wants to really allude to Alice in Wonderland

Didn't that ended with everyone wanting to take off her head?

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@uniaka:

Besides, there is no more fitting place then this arc for BM to fall since it's her home. And Oda does take the time to show us her home, dream, df power, relation and allies, what is going on with BM stealing the years from her people, her crew and their powers, everything there is to her. If this was just a ''escape BM arc'' I don't think he would reveal all of this.

It's just like when people said Doflamingo won't fall in dressrosa because he is too strong. The island unfolds same way it was with Dressrosa, we had a reveal about how people lose their years so they can stay on the island, same way we found out about all the toys in dressrosa that are actual people.

BM will obviously be the main villain of this arc, it just stands the question how she will be defeated.
I think there is a possibility Luffy won´t defeat her in a combat sense, similar to how he defeated Magellan without a combat to the end.
In favor of BM actually going down (maybe even losing her title as yonkou) stands the fact, that FI would be in danger and getting Jinbe and Sanji seems otherwise impossible without BM chasing them to the end of the world.
Capone also seems to have plans of overthrowing BM, which could come in handy for Luffy.
Also the scenario with taking life from the civilians on Totland seems to be a scenario Luffy can´t leave like that.
So all points towards Luffy going against her full force this arc, but the fact that this whole arc is centered around family (BM family and Vinsmokes) it could be an option to resolve it by "curing" BM with the love of her family.
That seems weird, seeing her killing her son, but Oda is going the way of the SHs meeting a former groom of BM and his connection with his daughter Lola.
So somehow getting the BM family on their side (and who is better than Luffy at this kind of stuff), the SHs might be able to bring BM down, when she sees her whole family supports them.
Her dream is her family coming all together and so seeing her lose them all might "defeat" her.
That won´t go down obviously without Luffy first beating some common sense into her, so that she can realize that her family is the most important thing for her.
After all i think the yonkou won´t be a thing anymore in the end of the series, so BM abandoning her pirate position could be the end result of all this.

I was also thinking about how Oda will make Luffy defeat Kaidou in the end and i guess here he will emphasize the importance of the SH crew (which should be complete for the war on Wano), whit each crewmember having a specific little role in bringing down Kaidou in the end.
Each crewmember will bring something to the table that will lead to Kaidou getting defeated by Luffy, so that it can be considered a group effort, with Luffy obviously finishing it all.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@Don:

BM will obviously be the main villain of this arc, it just stands the question how she will be defeated.
I think there is a possibility Luffy won´t defeat her in a combat sense, similar to how he defeated Magellan without a combat to the end.
In favor of BM actually going down (maybe even losing her title as yonkou) stands the fact, that FI would be in danger and getting Jinbe and Sanji seems otherwise impossible without BM chasing them to the end of the world.
Capone also seems to have plans of overthrowing BM, which could come in handy for Luffy.
Also the scenario with taking life from the civilians on Totland seems to be a scenario Luffy can´t leave like that.
So all points towards Luffy going against her full force this arc, but the fact that this whole arc is centered around family (BM family and Vinsmokes) it could be an option to resolve it by "curing" BM with the love of her family.
That seems weird, seeing her killing her son, but Oda is going the way of the SHs meeting a former groom of BM and his connection with his daughter Lola.
So somehow getting the BM family on their side (and who is better than Luffy at this kind of stuff), the SHs might be able to bring BM down, when she sees her whole family supports them.
Her dream is her family coming all together and so seeing her lose them all might "defeat" her.
That won´t go down obviously without Luffy first beating some common sense into her, so that she can realize that her family is the most important thing for her.
After all i think the yonkou won´t be a thing anymore in the end of the series, so BM abandoning her pirate position could be the end result of all this.

I was also thinking about how Oda will make Luffy defeat Kaidou in the end and i guess here he will emphasize the importance of the SH crew (which should be complete for the war on Wano), whit each crewmember having a specific little role in bringing down Kaidou in the end.
Each crewmember will bring something to the table that will lead to Kaidou getting defeated by Luffy, so that it can be considered a group effort, with Luffy obviously finishing it all.

I dont think luffy teams up with capone, who has shot pekoms twice and is kind of a slimy guy like that, I think its much more likely he changes big mom's mind than take away her kids

[uniaka ikuzakas]

@Long:

I dont think luffy teams up with capone, who has shot pekoms twice and is kind of a slimy guy like that, I think its much more likely he changes big mom's mind than take away her kids

Well, capone is villain but he is more like small villain this arc, but BM is still the big evil. similar how it was with magellan in ID, and luffy had to work with crocodile and buggy to get out. Luffy and capone could be in a position of '' either we work together or we both get defeated''. And same way cesar clown is, and they worked together with him, and likely will work now too so…

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Long:

I dont think luffy teams up with capone, who has shot pekoms twice and is kind of a slimy guy like that, I think its much more likely he changes big mom's mind than take away her kids

Capone was shown to be bad guy, so Luffy won´t team up with him.
But his schemes will have some influence on the story, which will aid Luffy by maybe creating a scenario, where Luffy could help BM/her kids.

[Envy]

@uniaka:

Well, capone is villain but he is more like small villain this arc, but BM is still the big evil. similar how it was with magellan in ID, and luffy had to work with crocodile and buggy to get out. Luffy and capone could be in a position of '' either we work together or we both get defeated''. And same way cesar clown is, and they worked together with him, and likely will work now too so…

I think there is a difference between these two situations of allying - Buggy and Crocodile had been out of the picture as villains for (in real life) years. Capone was only just recently shown to be a villain. The details of which are fresh on the minds of readers, and I just don't think that Capone's villainous actions would have been shown right here if Oda was going to turn around make him an ally to Luffy.

[Funky]

I don't think Big Mom will be defeated in any traditional sense, but it would be weird to travel all this way and not weaken her in some sense. Considering how many forces is being gathered to go against Kaido, I don't think it will be likely that Big Mom will be fought against face to face when the Strawhats is lacking half their crew in Whole Cake Island. I think Sanji will be rescued, and the SHs will narrowly escape with the poneglyph, and they will leave a big enough mess so that Big Mom will not have the ressources to bother with her revenge on Jinbe/Sanji/Luffy.

Anyways Kaido, Blackbeard and Revolutionaries are kind of occupied now, and the Marines have the Reverie, Akainu/Fujitora problems and reworking the shichibukai system to focus on. So the only left is Shanks, which is left for another time. This means that any more forces will be introduced now, and if any chaos is going to happen, it is going to be because of Capone Bege, Vinsmokes or internal conflict in the Big Mom familiy. The SHs and Bege are of course going to be the jokers in the story.

[Tangaroa]

Custody of Caesar Clown puts Kaido and Big Mom in direct opposition for wanting the same thing. Is it possible Kaido could declare war on her in this arc?

[Monkey King]

@Tangaroa:

Custody of Caesar Clown puts Kaido and Big Mom in direwct opposition for wanting the same thing. Is it possible Kaido could declare war on her in this arc?

I've long thought that it was even some part of Law's plan to turn two emperors against one another.
His main goal from the start was weakening Kaidou's forces, and thus ending the balance of power between the Yonkou.
I think we've all just assumed the next step would be attacking the weakened Kaidou and beating him…but logically do you really think Law would make a plan like that?? Does it even sound plausible at this point seeing what we're seeing of Yonkou power?
So I figured, if the plan is about ruining the power balance among the Yonkou....then logically the next step would be turning the Yonkou cold war...to hot. Between Kaidou and at least one other emperor.