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    Chapter 775: Love for Lucien

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      Gimlett dying was a huge part of Pink's life and led to him being who he is.

      Bringing him back would cheapen Pink's last connection to his catatonic wife, and as such would lessen the whole story surrounding him.

      Bringing Pell back didn't really change anything at all.

      Well, if you are bringing lessening the story, then I would argue bringing Pell back did exactly that.

      I agree that it would be a bad move on Oda's part, but what I want to happen and what Oda would like to do are two different things.

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        FYI: You should all check out this weeks issue of english Shonen Jump. Since it is still accessable for free this week you could read it by the follwing link: http://shonenjump.viz.com/reader/3205-weekly-shonen-jump-159
        If you are not from the US, just use the hola-browser add-on or a similiar IP chaning tool

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          Well, if you are bringing lessening the story, then I would argue bringing Pell back did exactly that.

          I agree that it would be a bad move on Oda's part, but what I want to happen and what Oda would like to do are two different things.

          I agree with you that Pell surviving did lessen his sacrifice a bit; but I would also say that due to Gimlet being central to Pink's backstory, having him survive would have a far more negative impact; less with overall story, and more with a specific character….as far as I can see.

          But then again, you're entitled to your own opinions and maybe you see a different outcome than me. (Which I would honestly like to hear) After all, you don't have that award for nothing Darth.

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            Pell surviving can at least be made sense of.

            Gimlet surviving is a different story.

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              Pell surviving can at least be made sense of.

              Gimlet surviving is a different story.

              I love how during the course of One Piece we've just come to accept that characters can take ludicrous amounts of damage and still be "ok".

              Not saying that that is an inherently bad thing, it's just funny to think about.

              "Nuke to the face? Oh he can just walk that off, no biggie."

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                also kinda funny how the damage to non living things (or animals sometimes) is real though

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                  I agree with you that Pell surviving did lessen his sacrifice a bit; but I would also say that due to Gimlet being central to Pink's backstory, having him survive would have a far more negative impact; less with overall story, and more with a specific character….as far as I can see.

                  You say negative impact, but most of Oda's target audience (Teenage Boys) might not find it so. Much of popularity of Shonen manga is build up on people being tired of more cynical and dark motives, and just wanting to read something pleasant.

                  You say negative impact and some would say happy ending. We are currently operating under assumption that there is some future story purpoes for Pink. If there is not, Oda might decide that his son being alive and his wife waking up is a proper end to Pink's storyline in One Piece.

                  @Thegreato:

                  But then again, you're entitled to your own opinions and maybe you see a different outcome than me. (Which I would honestly like to hear) After all, you don't have that award for nothing Darth.

                  I got that award for being fucking insane, to be honest. Arguing and disputing with up to fifteen people at the same time? It got to the point where my posts constituted almost half of your average chapter thread.

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                    "Nuke to the face? Oh he can just walk that off, no biggie."

                    Pell has hakibones made out of titanium.

                    Also you put something I said in your signature. That is a first for me, holy cow

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                      I can see franky vs trebol and franky burning with a laser and killing trebol while protecting the sad factory

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                        @BingBang:

                        I can see franky vs trebol and franky burning with a laser and killing trebol while protecting the sad factory

                        Trebol is not going to die.

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                          @Darth:

                          Well, if you are bringing lessening the story, then I would argue bringing Pell back did exactly that.

                          I agree that it would be a bad move on Oda's part, but what I want to happen and what Oda would like to do are two different things.

                          I'd have to disagree when it comes to Pell's survival.

                          Pell surviving doesn't change the fact that him carrying the bomb into the sky was incredibly heroic, and that he was willing to give his life for the sake of his country and it's people.

                          His survival was also revealed pretty quickly, so it's not like we got to see any major character progression based upon reactions to his death and such.

                          So yeah, I'd have to stand by my statement that Pell surviving really didn't change anything.

                          It really is a whole different ballgame to a possible Gimlett resurrection.

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                          I love how during the course of One Piece we've just come to accept that characters can take ludicrous amounts of damage and still be "ok".

                          A lot of the aspects of the manga as a whole are ludicrous.

                          So yeah, I can't say I'm bothered by super endurance.

                          _"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron

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                            @Darth:

                            I got that award for being fucking insane, to be honest. Arguing and disputing with up to fifteen people at the same time? It got to the point where my posts constituted almost half of your average chapter thread.

                            And that's why I love you Darth. I might not always agree with you; but at least you stick to your guns with valid logic, facts, and reasoning. Unlike some other people (Disclaimer: I will not mention them here, and I consider it not a reflection of their entire character) who just bring up BS imagined things to complain about without even a hint of fact or basis in reality and throw a little fit about it every once and a while.

                            Now if you excuse me, I must return to work on my absolutely cancerous and glorious Sogeking MLG parody piece.

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                              FYI: You should all check out this weeks issue of english Shonen Jump. Since it is still accessable for free this week you could read it by the follwing link: http://shonenjump.viz.com/reader/3205-weekly-shonen-jump-159
                              If you are not from the US, just use the hola-browser add-on or a similiar IP chaning tool

                              Thanks for the directions.
                              Any particular OP related reason?

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                                Any particular OP related reason?

                                An actual translation of the chapter that isn't Mangastream or Mangapanda.

                                One Pace - The One Piece anime without the filler and padding.

                                AP Discord

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                                  Each time that I wait for a chapter it never comes on the day I expected. Can someone extremly sexy just tell me where I can get information about when a new chapter will come and around what time of the day it comes. Like a website or something, the one who does this is the sexiest one in the forum.

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                                    @Porinero:

                                    Each time that I wait for a chapter it never comes on the day I expected. Can someone extremly sexy just tell me where I can get information about when a new chapter will come and around what time of the day it comes. Like a website or something, the one who does this is the sexiest one in the forum.

                                    The next chapter will come next Thursday morning (EST). There's a break this week.

                                    One Pace - The One Piece anime without the filler and padding.

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                                      @Galaxy:

                                      The next chapter will come next Thursday morning (EST). There's a break this week.

                                      Hmm. Just a nice person or starving for compliments? 😛

                                      How original is it to still have this in my signature 6 years later?

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                                        @Galaxy:

                                        The next chapter will come next Thursday morning (EST). There's a break this week.

                                        Thanks for this, you man of sexyness

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                                          Oh dude, what a good avatar.

                                          Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,

                                          knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.

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                                            @Darth:

                                            You say negative impact, but most of Oda's target audience (Teenage Boys) might not find it so. Much of popularity of Shonen manga is build up on people being tired of more cynical and dark motives, and just wanting to read something pleasant.

                                            You say negative impact and some would say happy ending. We are currently operating under assumption that there is some future story purpoes for Pink. If there is not, Oda might decide that his son being alive and his wife waking up is a proper end to Pink's storyline in One Piece.

                                            I got that award for being fucking insane, to be honest. Arguing and disputing with up to fifteen people at the same time? It got to the point where my posts constituted almost half of your average chapter thread.

                                            I disagree attack on Titan sees death all over the place and popularity wise has no problems what so ever.

                                            So death or no death isnt such a big issue here. Not to mention how Game of Thrones (tv series name) novels are seen and exactly why they have such appeal and here is where I am getting to my point.

                                            Oda does not wish to kill his characters because he believes crushing someones dream is a lot worse then just killing them. Ok I get it. But the absence of death (i am not saying 100% but to the point that is evident that it just wont come to the main characters) is what takes away from investment into the fighting scenes. You are never really worrying about the strawhats, like in worst case they ll get beaten but will at some point in the future return the favour. While on the other hand, knowing that someone can get badly injured and taken off the story at any moment creates the real suspense, prevents people to see the pattern and makes it exciting.
                                            Thats the gist of Song and Ice and Fire success imo, that there really is no guarantee that X will survive or that all will go well so you watch not just to see how the hero will win, but IF the hero will win.

                                            Which in the end creates a better experiences for the majority of people.

                                            Now no way am I saying Oda should start killing people off right and left or SHs for that matter, but "shock" therapy like people actually dying from guns straigth to the face etc, bring a lot more emotions into the overal story than if we all know Law will be fine and are just waiting to see how he ll get fixed and in what way.

                                            Dont get me wrong. Oda has his formula, its working for him and he wont step away from it, but I personally would have loved to see that. The real presence of danger. And this is why for me Marine Fort, although I was quite sure WB may die was a bit of a shocker and in a way nice, when Ace was taken away as well. Since it was like, holly shit didnt expect that and it created a more tangible anti-feelings (or love feelings for those who hated Ace) towards Akainu, aka in this guy means serious business

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                                              Each time that I wait for a chapter it never comes on the day I expected. Can someone extremly sexy just tell me where I can get information about when a new chapter will come and around what time of the day it comes. Like a website or something, the one who does this is the sexiest one in the forum.

                                              Most of the time the first post of the spoiler thread from the last chapter will mention if there's a break. So that's a good first place to look 😉

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                                                @blue-san:

                                                I disagree attack on Titan sees death all over the place and popularity wise has no problems what so ever.

                                                So death or no death isnt such a big issue here. Not to mention how Game of Thrones (tv series name) novels are seen and exactly why they have such appeal and here is where I am getting to my point.

                                                Oda does not wish to kill his characters because he believes crushing someones dream is a lot worse then just killing them. Ok I get it. But the absence of death (i am not saying 100% but to the point that is evident that it just wont come to the main characters) is what takes away from investment into the fighting scenes. You are never really worrying about the strawhats, like in worst case they ll get beaten but will at some point in the future return the favour. While on the other hand, knowing that someone can get badly injured and taken off the story at any moment creates the real suspense, prevents people to see the pattern and makes it exciting.
                                                Thats the gist of Song and Ice and Fire success imo, that there really is no guarantee that X will survive or that all will go well so you watch not just to see how the hero will win, but IF the hero will win.

                                                Which in the end creates a better experiences for the majority of people.

                                                Now no way am I saying Oda should start killing people off right and left or SHs for that matter, but "shock" therapy like people actually dying from guns straigth to the face etc, bring a lot more emotions into the overal story than if we all know Law will be fine and are just waiting to see how he ll get fixed and in what way.

                                                Dont get me wrong. Oda has his formula, its working for him and he wont step away from it, but I personally would have loved to see that. The real presence of danger. And this is why for me Marine Fort, although I was quite sure WB may die was a bit of a shocker and in a way nice, when Ace was taken away as well. Since it was like, holly shit didnt expect that and it created a more tangible anti-feelings (or love feelings for those who hated Ace) towards Akainu, aka in this guy means serious business

                                                That's it. Danger. Big shots described New World to SHs as extremely dangerous and full of ridiculously strong people with no mercy.
                                                Till now we only got Law with an arm cut off… Law... Maybe one of the best medics around with the OP OP fruit and on an island with the user of the Heal Heal fruit... Ok...
                                                I really hope there will be more distress in future. I mean, Shanks got his arm cut off from a simple sea monster beaten with haki in chapter 1 and that was still one of the most shocking losses we got till MF...

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                                                  i hope kyros kills diamante that piece of shit deserve to die

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                                                    i hope kyros falls to diamante that genius is The Hero of the Colosseum

                                                    Fixed for you, buddy.

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                                                      @mario:

                                                      i hope kyros kills diamante that piece of shit deserve to die

                                                      Yes, I hope so too. To all people who say that he wont kill him I just answer that he beheaded DD from behind, with no regrets or second toughts.

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                                                        Diamante isn't dying because Oda doesn't like killing characters unless the plot is impossible to advance with them alive. This is why Ace and Whitebeard died. This is why Shanks will die.

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                                                          @Mex:

                                                          Yes, I hope so too. To all people who say that he wont kill him I just answer that he beheaded DD from behind, with no regrets or second toughts.

                                                          He will have second thoughts this time, if only because Rebecca is there.

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                                                            Diamante isn't dying because Oda doesn't like killing characters unless the plot is impossible to advance with them alive. This is why Ace and Whitebeard died. This is why Shanks will die.

                                                            Turning him in a toy and dumping him in some hole would be a nice alternative 🙂

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                                                              Turning him in a toy and dumping him in some hole would be a nice alternative 🙂

                                                              Turning him into a toy would make everybody forget why they were tormented for the past 10 years, and would offer him an escape just like death.

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                                                                Turning him into a toy would make everybody forget why they were tormented for the past 10 years, and would offer him an escape just like death.

                                                                Well Kyros could write himself a note saying that he turned the murderer of his wife in a toy and where he locked him up so that he could piss on his head from time to time.

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                                                                  Well Kyros could write himself a note saying that he turned the murderer of his wife in a toy and where he locked him up so that he could piss on his head from time to time.

                                                                  One Piece Memento Edition

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                                                                    Diamante isn't dying because Oda doesn't like killing characters unless the plot is impossible to advance with them alive. This is why Ace and Whitebeard died. This is why Shanks will die.

                                                                    The only characters that are safe is really Luffy, perhaps his crew as well. Shanks is definately fair game and so is Sabo I think.

                                                                    For there to be a Pirate King does that mean that all the Yonkou must fall?

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                                                                      @Icarus:

                                                                      The only characters that are safe is really Luffy,

                                                                      All characters are safe unless the plot cannot move without their death.

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                                                                        I find this trend so boring, I really hope Oda will shuffle those cards at some points and add some thrill to tough moments and fights.

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                                                                          Ironically, with this trend of "killing off sorta important characters", one piece still stands out for doing things its own way

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                                                                            I find this trend so boring, I really hope Oda will shuffle those cards at some points and add some thrill to tough moments and fights.

                                                                            "Trend"? It's been like that since the start.

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                                                                              I find this trend so boring, I really hope Oda will shuffle those cards at some points and add some thrill to tough moments and fights.

                                                                              I gave up after the Alabasta arc a long, long time ago. Just try to enjoy One Piece for what it is and enjoy other series with stories that actually have a sense of danger. If you delve too much into this, it will hurt your experience enjoying the series and that's never a good thing. I see the farcical needed for story point has been brought up again, can't say I'm surprised. 👅

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                                                                                "Trend"? It's been like that since the start.

                                                                                Ace's death was not necessary to continue the plot.
                                                                                Luffy already stated he could not defend/protect his crew properly and he was too weak against Big Ones.
                                                                                I am only speaking about FI > New World (till now at least).

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                                                                                  Ace's death was not necessary to continue the plot.
                                                                                  Luffy already stated he could not defend/protect his crew properly and he was too weak against Big Ones.

                                                                                  Yeah.. except let's ignore this key scene that resulted from Ace's death that made Luffy realize he needed to become stronger.

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                                                                                    Yeah.. except let's ignore this key scene that resulted from Ace's death that made Luffy realize he needed to become stronger.

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                                                                                    Didn't he realize that when his entire crew nearly "died" against Mr. Freeze, which was the entire purpose of him training and developing Gears 2? Or when he was on his knees spouting similar things when he thought Kuma killed his entire crew?

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                                                                                      I see the farcical needed for story point has been brought up again, can't say I'm surprised. 👅

                                                                                      What you see as "farcical" is how the author actually writes his story.

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                                                                                      Didn't he realize that when his entire crew nearly "died" against Mr. Freeze, which was the entire purpose of him training and developing Gears 2? Or when he was on his knees spouting similar things when he thought Kuma killed his entire crew?

                                                                                      Not even close to the same extent that he did there. Ace's death was the seal that led to the ultimate realization that you see right there.

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                                                                                        Ace's death was not necessary to continue the plot.
                                                                                        Luffy already stated he could not defend/protect his crew properly and he was too weak against Big Ones.
                                                                                        I am only speaking about FI > New World (till now at least).

                                                                                        Ace's death:

                                                                                        • Left Luffy in a broken state, allowing Law to operate on him and giving a foundation for their current alliance.
                                                                                        • Gave Jinbe a reason to actually considerate joining Luffy, as he promised Ace he would look after him in case he died.
                                                                                        • Allowed the Mera Mera to become a plot device in the current arc.

                                                                                        How can you say it was not necessary?

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                                                                                          What you see as "farcical" is how the author actually writes his story.

                                                                                          That's not true. What I see as farcical, is how people defend something the author writes with poor arguments that don't make sense as was explained earlier.

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                                                                                          What you see as "farcical" is how the author actually writes his story.

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                                                                                          Not even close to the same extent that he did there. Ace's death was the seal that led to the ultimate realization that you see right there.

                                                                                          How is it not the same extent as losing his brother as it is losing his entire crew, that he considers his family?

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                                                                                            How is it not the same extent as losing his brother as it is losing his entire crew, that he considers his family?

                                                                                            Uh, the fact that the brother actually died while the crew is still alive?

                                                                                            Look at who's using poor arguments now.

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                                                                                              How is it not the same extent as losing his brother as it is losing his entire crew, that he considers his family?

                                                                                              He died, they didn't.

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                                                                                                That's not true. What I see as farcical, is how people defend something the author writes with poor arguments that don't make sense as was explained earlier.

                                                                                                And yet… still no argument as to how any of it "makes no sense".

                                                                                                How is it not the same extent as losing his brother as it is losing his entire crew, that he considers his family?

                                                                                                You know he knew they weren't dead, right?

                                                                                                What matters here is that Ace's death caused this ultimate realization, that he needed to become stronger, or more people would just die.

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                                                                                                  Uh, the fact that the brother actually died while the crew is still alive?

                                                                                                  @Yobiyopi:

                                                                                                  He died, they didn't.

                                                                                                  He went through the same emotional trauma when it happened. I would take such comments a bit more seriously if Luffy wasn't the same and looks to have 0 character development from it. But yes, necessary.

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                                                                                                    He went through the same emotional trauma when it happened. I would take such comments a bit more seriously if Luffy wasn't the same and looks to have 0 character development from it. But yes, necessary.

                                                                                                    Do you want Luffy to lose what makes him… Luffy? He was never going to become some "tough and serious, no jokes man" from this.

                                                                                                    The entirety of the Post-War arc is character development for Luffy, where he realizes his weaknesses, strengths, and who he still has left in his life.

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                                                                                                      And yet… still no argument as to how any of it "makes no sense".

                                                                                                      You know he knew they weren't dead, right?

                                                                                                      What matters here is that Ace's death caused this ultimate realization, that he needed to become stronger, or more people would just die.

                                                                                                      No argument? I explained my argument in the previous discussion, afterwards I'm presuming you got tired of me putting down your excuses which is why you stopped responding.

                                                                                                      Ultimate realization? He had it twice. "It wasn't just a realization where he completely breaks down and cries for being so weak after he thinks Kuma killed his entire crew, it just wasn't ultimate enough!!!" Ahh, it all makes sense now!

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                                                                                                        @TheGreatestSwordsman:

                                                                                                        He went through the same emotional trauma when it happened. I would take such comments a bit more seriously if Luffy wasn't the same and looks to have 0 character development from it. But yes, necessary.

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                                                                                                        No argument? I explained my argument in the previous discussion, afterwards I'm presuming you got tired of me putting down your excuses which is why you stopped responding.

                                                                                                        Ultimate realization? He had it twice. "It wasn't just a realization where he completely breaks down and cries for being so weak after he thinks Kuma killed his entire crew, it just wasn't ultimate enough!!!" Ahh, it all makes sense now!

                                                                                                        Except that they didn't get killed, which means that the emotional trauma wasn't the same at all. In the end, no one died from Kuma, so there was no lasting impact there.

                                                                                                        I mean, how many times have they cheated death until Sabaody?

                                                                                                        Again, poor argument from your part.

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