Sparks thing was shown when haki was used by Luffy against Pacifista.
Lets not get into debate, that effect not being connected to haki usage is unlikely imo.
Yeah and both scenes involved a cyborg. Those sparks are definitely the effect of haki on metal. Conclusion : Vergo has a metal devil fruit.
Conclusion bonus round : the previous user of the fruit died in this panel.
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Face it, Oda is a true Otoko! He doesn't need any reasons to draw sparks and lions 
Here's the one I mentioned:
http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/404/18
It's just a cool visual effect.
It's a visual effect used when something really hard punches something really hard, as far as I gathered.
@Shobu:
So much Crazy Diamond to me.
Don't need timeskip btw, it is not needed raw strength to defeat someone.
I'm now imagining Mansherry going DORAORAORAORA!
It's quite funny.
! It's a visual effect used when something really hard punches something really hard, as far as I gathered.
! Exactly what I wanted to write.
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! > Yeah and both scenes involved a cyborg. Those sparks are definitely the effect of haki on metal. Conclusion : Vergo has a metal devil fruit.
Conclusion bonus round : the previous user of the fruit died in this panel.Face it, Oda is a true Otoko! He doesn't need any reasons to draw sparks and lions
! Effect when Sanji kicks Kuma - around Sanjis leg after the kick
http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/484/15
! Effect after Jinbeis Kick that landed on its hand
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! When Luffy hit Pacifista after timeskip
! >! 
! Sanji vs Vergo
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! Haki makes punches / kicks harder.
! So when we see haki clashes or something hard hitting something hard we see those sparks. Before timeskip I think that only Frankys attacks were giving that sparks effect but he was made of steel/ metal so no wonder. Oda can simply imply with sparks that haki was used, not every time they show up but rather often.
! For example hardect attacks clashing that we seen now was Chinjaos attack vs Luffys Thor move here
! >!
! And we get to see shitload of sparks everywhere. Same when Garp CoA hardened fist clashed with Chinjaos head.
! After timeskip there is more CoA haki users present in story.
! Franky punched Pink and we seen sparks. Bellamy is haki user so Pink is almost certainly CoA user as well. Though its Franky so its likely that we seen sparks because of his Iron fists.
! Why so butthurt if I just pointed that there is plenty of times when haki and sparks have something to do with each other.. jeez..
Changes like a woman change their clothes.
Because when Usopp unlocked Haki, we didn't need you to understand it.
This thread could sure use a 45 degrees.
Where's Brook when you need him…=(.
Because when Usopp unlocked Haki, we didn't need you to understand it.
What what?
Whats wrong with you ? Any problems with what I wrote ?
What Ussop has to do with it, I missed something I guess.
Changes like a woman change their clothes.
Constructive ideas comming out of discussion.
This chapter reads a lot better this second time around, with just the stoic Man vs. Man of Franky and senor Pink. I hope they get that drink one say.
A couple of interesting points; it seems Pink had his powers before marraige so that seems tp
o implyy a Devi-Fruit user can have a child. I THINK Gimlett is the first to be shown definitivelty.
No evidence to suggest his short life was thusly related to that heritage.
Quite impressed with Djola not giving up yet, but just what does she need to tell Dofla?
That the heal heal fruit can also 'restore'? An undescribed effect that looks like it can effect the physical world at the cost of the users lifeforce?
I wonder if this is going to be in any was related to the 'immortality' supposedly given at the cost of the Op Op fruit users' sacrifice.
The two concepts seem remarkably similair. Could this be a bad translation artifact or a plot-point in waiting?
If the final battle is in Marijoa, then there will be a timeskip of the SH going back (or forward again, hi Laboon!!) the grand line.
16 chars of Kuma' Paws.
Exactly what I wanted to write.
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Effect when Sanji kicks Kuma - around Sanjis leg after the kick
[http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/484/15E](http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/484/15)ffect after Jinbeis Kick that landed on its hand
! http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/37144/2904645-2.jpg
When Luffy hit Pacifista after timeskip
! [http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/04/28/o/read4db9e08d866a9/OP 601 MANGARULE_160-1614db9e08da200c.jpg](http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/04/28/o/read4db9e08d866a9/OP 601 MANGARULE_160-1614db9e08da200c.jpg)
Sanji vs Vergo
! https://grayterminal.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/sanji-vs-vergo.jpg
Haki makes punches / kicks harder.
So when we see haki clashes or something hard hitting something hard we see those sparks. Before timeskip I think that only Frankys attacks were giving that sparks effect but he was made of steel/ metal so no wonder. Oda can simply imply with sparks that haki was used, not every time they show up but rather often.
For example hardect attacks clashing that we seen now was Chinjaos attack vs Luffys Thor move here
! http://i25.mangapanda.com/one-piece/719/one-piece-4412451.jpg
And we get to see shitload of sparks everywhere. Same when Garp CoA hardened fist clashed with Chinjaos head.
After timeskip there is more CoA haki users present in story.
Franky punched Pink and we seen sparks. Bellamy is haki user so Pink is almost certainly CoA user as well. Though its Franky so its likely that we seen sparks because of his Iron fists.
Why so butthurt if I just pointed that there is plenty of times when haki and sparks have something to do with each other.. jeez..
Oda already has a blackening visual effect for CoA, so sparks being used to indicate CoA is redundant.
Also, sparks can also be used to indicate pain as shown with Law here.
16 chars of Kuma' Paws.
I don't want to live in a world where he can literaly push someone to the other side of the world.
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There won't be any timeskip, whatever happens in Raftel moves the story straight to finale in Marijoa.
"In mad world, only the mad are sane."
If you ask me Franky is far too manly to go full cyborg.
Never go full ******.
Oda already has a blackening visual effect for CoA, so sparks being used to indicate CoA is redundant.
Also, sparks can also be used to indicate pain as shown with Law here.
Blackening just shows that the body part is hardened. Body part connecting with something else produces sparks because Oda just likes it that way, I guess. Like Tekken, instead in OP same effect for every fighter.
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Quite impressed with Djola not giving up yet, but just what does she need to tell Dofla?
That the heal heal fruit can also 'restore'? An undescribed effect that looks like it can effect the physical world at the cost of the users lifeforce?
I wonder if this is going to be in any was related to the 'immortality' supposedly given at the cost of the Op Op fruit users' sacrifice.
The two concepts seem remarkably similair. Could this be a bad translation artifact or a plot-point in waiting?
I thought the bolded part relates to the fact that Mansherry was freed, and the mention of the power afterwards was what she was kept for in the first place.
There won't be any timeskip, whatever happens in Raftel moves the story straight to finale in Marijoa.
I'm pretty sure the final war won't be just in one place but all throughout the world
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I'm pretty sure the final war won't be just in one place but all throughout the world
Sure, I think Revolutionaries will play big part there, but Straw Hats certainly won't be anywhere else.
"In mad world, only the mad are sane."
@Galaxy:
It's likely a translation detail (and I'm willing to bet it's about Mansherry's power, but we'll see).
Send me link please? Ill get lost.
Dang are people still on the "need another timeskip" debate. Wasn't the whole point of the first to get Luffy prepared for the New world. Instead of going back to train after two islands.
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Thats true.
Your still not ready Luffy, go back and train with Shanks..
He needs more than gear 2nd and 3rd.
His new gear i believe in wont be a "big attack" like gear 3rd. It would be in the same category as Gear 2nd. Except deadly, non conscious sort if gear. Oda could do anything, but it would be wicked.
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@Galaxy:
Viz's Chapter 775 translation comes out Monday.
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hmmm after getting more information about monsherry's fruit ( another ability which can shorten lifespan ), i started wondering how did people find that part out? how would you know your life span is cut in half ( as with ivankov ), and such? i know about vegapunk knowing alot about '' what a devil fruit really is'' but how did they ever figure out that it cuts life in half/ shortens it? any suggestions?
hmmm after getting more information about monsherry's fruit ( another ability which can shorten lifespan ), i started wondering how did people find that part out? how would you know your life span is cut in half ( as with ivankov ), and such? i know about vegapunk knowing alot about '' what a devil fruit really is'' but how did they ever figure out that it cuts life in half/ shortens it? any suggestions?
Past users .
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
I don't want to live in a world where he can literaly push someone to the other side of the world.
We havent't seen a teleportation guy yet, so it's gonna be either Kuma or Teleportation guy, but coming back the entire way thru sea with Kuma around, neewhh. Not happening.
Thats true.
Your still not ready Luffy, go back and train with Shanks..
He needs more than gear 2nd and 3rd.
His new gear i believe in wont be a "big attack" like gear 3rd. It would be in the same category as Gear 2nd. Except deadly, non conscious sort if gear. Oda could do anything, but it would be wicked.
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Not really he can just strengthen his current gears. New moves that incorporate haki like Red hawk would be good enough.
Not really he can just strengthen his current gears. New moves that incorporate haki like Red hawk would be good enough.
Using the same Gears for the rest of the series would be boring.
There hasn't been any battle shonen I've personally seen that never updates the main characters transformation modes (If they have them).
We know Oda is very creative when it comes to powers. I don't see why he'd limit a character like that.
Yep. Same way people know about Law's immortality power.
Kinda makes you wonder how the first person with the ope ope no mi who used that power figured out they could do it. It's such an abstract ability, there must have been some pretty amazing circumstances.
This chapter reads a lot better this second time around, with just the stoic Man vs. Man of Franky and senor Pink. I hope they get that drink one say.
A couple of interesting points; it seems Pink had his powers before marraige so that seems tp
o implyy a Devi-Fruit user can have a child. I THINK Gimlett is the first to be shown definitivelty.
No evidence to suggest his short life was thusly related to that heritage.Quite impressed with Djola not giving up yet, but just what does she need to tell Dofla?
That the heal heal fruit can also 'restore'? An undescribed effect that looks like it can effect the physical world at the cost of the users lifeforce?
I wonder if this is going to be in any was related to the 'immortality' supposedly given at the cost of the Op Op fruit users' sacrifice.
The two concepts seem remarkably similair. Could this be a bad translation artifact or a plot-point in waiting?
From Mangastream's translation, I thought she meant that Dofla was going to use Shelly's power on the factory itself if it was destroyed. Now that they don't have Shelly anymore, when the factory is destroyed they're fucked. That's what I got from it. She wanted to tell him that Shelly is not in their possession anymore.
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This thread could sure use a 45 degrees.
Where's Brook when you need him…=(.
Ok! Does anyone else want to see a Water Logia user? That fruit has the potential to be one of the strongest in this series.
Yep. Same way people know about Law's immortality power.
But how does someone find out his life is cut in half? like if that person is supposed to reach the age of 80, dies at 40, how would people guess its because of the devil fruit? wouldn't it be more normal to assume he just died instead of saying its because of the fruit?
But how does someone find out his life is cut in half? like if that person is supposed to reach the age of 80, dies at 40, how would people guess its because of the devil fruit? wouldn't it be more normal to assume he just died instead of saying its because of the fruit?
I don't know but that's a good question that I don't think will ever be properly answered.
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@Galaxy:
It's likely a translation detail (and I'm willing to bet it's about Mansherry's power, but we'll see).
Nope, the scanlators missed a reference.
Tell them to open it for other countries, I actually wanted to buy a subscription but I can't because I live in Portugal, I asked them that on facebook twice and they didnt even bother to answer me with a "we have no idea!".
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But how does someone find out his life is cut in half? like if that person is supposed to reach the age of 80, dies at 40, how would people guess its because of the devil fruit? wouldn't it be more normal to assume he just died instead of saying its because of the fruit?
It's not cut in half but shortened. By the way maybe the user feels it or (Speculation Alert) maybe there is a DF user able to find out other DF abilities touching them or their users and then wrote a book and now is billiontrillionaire.
But how does someone find out his life is cut in half? like if that person is supposed to reach the age of 80, dies at 40, how would people guess its because of the devil fruit? wouldn't it be more normal to assume he just died instead of saying its because of the fruit?
No one ever mentioned lifespan being cut in half. Only shortened.
If the final battle is in Marijoa, then there will be a timeskip of the SH going back (or forward again, hi Laboon!!) the grand line.
i dont want to see Timeskip again 
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Using the same Gears for the rest of the series would be boring.
There hasn't been any battle shonen I've personally seen that never updates the main characters transformation modes (If they have them).
We know Oda is very creative when it comes to powers. I don't see why he'd limit a character like that.
I'm not against the idea of new gears. I just don't want there to be too much of them.
Remember Super Saiyan.
So what was the big translation issue teased by Stephen ?
@Mex:
It's not cut in half but shortened. By the way maybe the user feels it or (Speculation Alert) maybe there is a DF user able to find out other DF abilities touching them or their users and then wrote a book and now is billiontrillionaire.
How about you can touch anyone or anything to get info on them/it. That would be one scary fruit!
So what was the big translation issue teased by Stephen ?
Not really sure but apparenlty a Gimlet is a cocktail made out of vodka, Franky got confused when Pink said "Lucien(russian) and Gimlet, he thought he was following his talk about drinks, it's until the battle finishes that Franky realizes Pink wasn't talking 'bout drinks.
But how does someone find out his life is cut in half? like if that person is supposed to reach the age of 80, dies at 40, how would people guess its because of the devil fruit? wouldn't it be more normal to assume he just died instead of saying its because of the fruit?
Other people have mentioned the possibility of some kind of index fruit or that the user might feel their life getting shorter (how scary would that be?) You could probably figure it out by just looking at the deaths of the past users.
Devil fruits seem to have been around for a long time. Let's say they've been around for 800 years since the Void Century, at least. If the user repearedly dies at a young age over seven or eight centuries, you're going to start noticing. If the user is a dwarf or giant that difference is going to be even more apparent. Furthermore, it seems likely that the user dies either of mysterious natural causes or by problems usually only seen in the elderly, like organ failure. In fact, there's a good chance that the user could die immediately after a healing, which would make the connection pretty apparent.
Factor in the probable fame a renowned miracle worker would receive and it's easy to see how someone could have put the pieces together.
Not really sure but apparenlty a Gimlet is a cocktail made out of vodka, Franky got confused when Pink said "Lucien(russian) and Gimlet, he thought he was following his talk about drinks, it's until the battle finishes that Franky realizes Pink wasn't talking 'bout drinks.
That doesn't make sense considering that Pink made it clear from the start that he was talking about his family ("My son, Gimlett").
Nope, the scanlators missed a reference.
And you know this, how?
We'll know exactly what it is tomorrow.
When Doffy learns of all that has transpired he's going to laugh himself to death.
Ok! Does anyone else want to see a Water Logia user? That fruit has the potential to be one of the strongest in this series.
Didn't one of the movies have a water logia and they beat her by trapping her in a jar?
Didn't one of the movies have a water logia and they beat her by trapping her in a jar?
Honey Queen turned into a jelly-like substance, not water.
