Volume 77 Predictions/Discussion

Monquito

But Zoro always fights the first mate!!

Except against Bucchi and Siam, Mihawk, Hachi, Mr5, Mr1, Bhram, Ohm, Kaku, Ryuma, Hyozou, Monet and Pica.

Only Cabaji and Tashigi then eh?

This is why the way I see it, and I think we all should, is that Zoro always fights the most dangerous one(besides the big boss of course)

Daz Bones being Mr 1, I think Vivi or Igaram somewhere said that the lower the number the more dangerous or stronger the enemy.
Ohm having the lower possibilities of survival compared with the other priests.
Kaku being the second one with the highest dourikis between the CP0´s
And on the actual arc, cards are often valued differently in most games, being spades(Pica) the card with the highest value(even higher than the aces in some cases), and this is interesting because Spades also usually shares its value with Hearts, while Diamonds and Clubs are often the ones with the lower value.

Zoro defeating always the first mate is indeed a wrong statement. Kaku and Lucci shared the same position actually.

maxterdexter

@Monquito:

This is why the way I see it, and I think we all should, is that Zoro always fights the most dangerous one(besides the big boss of course)

Daz Bones being Mr 1, I think Vivi or Igaram somewhere said that the lower the number the more dangerous or stronger the enemy.
Ohm having the lower possibilities of survival compared with the other priests.
Kaku being the second one with the highest dourikis between the CP0´s
And on the actual arc, cards are often valued differently in most games, being spades(Pica) the card with the highest value(even higher than the aces in some cases), and this is interesting because Spades also usually shares its value with Hearts, while Diamonds and Clubs are often the ones with the lower value.

Zoro defeating always the first mate is indeed a wrong statement. Kaku and Lucci shared the same position actually.

Robin was the most dangerous.

Ohm I'll give

Rob was the most dangerous, the boss was spandam.

Trebol is the one who was first with Doffy, the one who is still with him. Pica was clearly stronger though.

Monquito

@maxterdexter:

Robin was the most dangerous.

Ohm I'll give

Rob was the most dangerous, the boss was spandam.

Trebol is the one who was first with Doffy, the one who is still with him. Pica was clearly stronger though.

Robin catches Daz with her arms, Daz gets all his body sharp….

I´m not denying that Spandman is the boss, what I´m saying is that Zoro fought the second most dangerous one between all of them.

´cause Trébol is the Robin of Dressrosa:ninja: (next crewmate spotted lol)

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Razh

@maxterdexter:

Trebol is the one who was first with Doffy, the one who is still with him. Pica was clearly stronger though.

I'm not sure anyone can say that until we see Trebol going all out.

Not that it isn't possible, but in the situations where Zoro fought second strongest enemy, there was nobody stronger than Zoro or Luffy with the good guys. This time we have Sabo to complicate things a little.

Monquito

For now, Law is the one that complicates stuff, Sabo is considered to be way too much for the seats and he´s heading to the palace mostly to deal with whatever scared Koala.

Trébol´s relevance seems to be more related to the fact that him and Vergo have been with Doffy the longest, and he´s also been some sort of mentor to Doula, so the discussion of the second most dangerous guy from DD´s crew should be at this very moment only between Vergo and Pica.

sabinis

@Monquito:

For now, Law is the one that complicates stuff, Sabo is considered to be way too much for the seats and he´s heading to the palace mostly to deal with whatever scared Koala.

Trébol´s relevance seems to be more related to the fact that him and Vergo have been with Doffy the longest, and he´s also been some sort of mentor to Doula, so the discussion of the second most dangerous guy from DD´s crew should be at this very moment only between Vergo and Pica.

Absolutely not.

Doflamingo is boss, Vergo is right hand man(heart seat is that position as hinted by fact that Doflamingo said that he wanted Law to be his right hand man and he kept Heart seat empty for him for that reason).

Third person in crew is Trebol - he was given by Doflamingo:

Sugar to protect
Keys to factory
Mera Mera no mi +
He is last of Doflamingo underlings standing
He is most likely ex-boss of family

While Pica was hinted to be big brute for mass murded jobs and nothing else.
With Trebols speed and fact that we barely seen him fighting till now I do expect him being strongest after Doflamingo and Vergo in addition to his position as 3rd in crew.
Before you say that Pica or Vergo should be "next most dangerous person in Doflamingos crew" wait for Oda to show more from Trebol.
Just his aim and speed were shown to be nothing short of amazing, danger is not who is biggest guy on island as you seen from Zoro vs Pica, who knows what Trebol might show us till end of arc.

Still I find lack of Vergo on any cover a bit dissapointing.
Soon I hope I will be able to show you people some pretty original fan art of Vergo that is being made atm(by my friend).

Monquito

But holding the seat of Corazón doesn´t necessarily equal to strength, there was Rocinante for example and if ever Oda confirms that the whole conflict was based on the playing cards of Bridge on which the spades are usually the cards with the highest value then I´d say Pica would have some support to follow the patron of Zoro beating up the 2nd most dangerous of each crew. being the Joker and the Spades the 2 higher and better cards in the game.

for now Vergo was the most valuated and Trébol´s paralelism to Robin could just get him out of the discussion, I mean, Robin was also pretty effective in the organization but to say she was the most dangerous when her fruit probably wouldn't work on Mr 1 and Miss Doublefinger is quite baseless.(also Cabbage:ninja: won´t be beating a bigger threat than Law and Zoro)

sabinis

Corazon being previously Vergo, then Rocinante, then wanting to put Law on it means that Doflamingo puts on that seat person that is closest to him. Roci talent was mentioned so even as it would take years I think he could possibly become strongest seat(he shares a lot with Doflamingo, was just sloppy and with not dangerous ability beside infiltrations- he would be perfect for commando group). Doflamingo was right seeing potential in Law, potential to become his right hand man in future - he already outgrown Vergo as shown by Punk Hazard.

You cant make parallel comparing Robin to Trebol - it doesnt work at all- different structure, history - I have no idea how you came up with that comparison.
Its imo really bad argument.

Just wait till we see more of what Trebol can do in combat and take second look at my reasoning from previous post.

Razh

@Monquito:

For now, Law is the one that complicates stuff, Sabo is considered to be way too much for the seats and he´s heading to the palace mostly to deal with whatever scared Koala.

Trébol´s relevance seems to be more related to the fact that him and Vergo have been with Doffy the longest, and he´s also been some sort of mentor to Doula, so the discussion of the second most dangerous guy from DD´s crew should be at this very moment only between Vergo and Pica.

But whatever scared Koala is going towards Luffy, since she expressed her concern he would be in trouble.

Law can't complicate fight pairings much while lying unresponsive.

Monquito

@Razh:

But whatever scared Koala is going towards Luffy, since she expressed her concern he would be in trouble.

Law can't complicate fight pairings much while lying unresponsive.

Sabo won't handle both mysterious guy and Trébol, that's way too much for someone who hasn't been active in the beatings all this time, it can be only one.

Thing is Vergo still counts.

Razh

Wasn't really counting him, since he isn't physically present here.

As for Sabo, it's hard to tell if he's going to fight Burgess or Trebol.

Monquito

@sabinis:

Corazon being previously Vergo, then Rocinante, then wanting to put Law on it means that Doflamingo puts on that seat person that is closest to him. Roci talent was mentioned so even as it would take years I think he could possibly become strongest seat(he shares a lot with Doflamingo, was just sloppy and with not dangerous ability beside infiltrations- he would be perfect for commando group). Doflamingo was right seeing potential in Law, potential to become his right hand man in future - he already outgrown Vergo as shown by Punk Hazard.

You cant make parallel comparing Robin to Trebol - it doesnt work at all- different structure, history - I have no idea how you came up with that comparison.
Its imo really bad argument.

Just wait till we see more of what Trebol can do in combat and take second look at my reasoning from previous post.

But… Trébol almost went down by a super tired running out of stamina Law.... Against fresh Sabo????

black-leg jex

What if koala fought Trebol? She knows fishman karate which gives her some control over liquids. Could that work for Trebol and his slime? It's kind of liquidy. Plus sabo won't fight burgess and Trebol so who else?

Razh

@Monquito:

But… Trébol almost went down by a super tired running out of stamina Law.... Against fresh Sabo????

Aren't you making it out simpler than it was? It was a surprise attack with a move that's effective on liquids.

sabinis

@Monquito:

But… Trébol almost went down by a super tired running out of stamina Law.... Against fresh Sabo????

He was caught by suprise, same kind of "fight" as with Vergo.

As for Sabo - check out first page of this weeks chapter, looks like sticky launcher from Trebol caused that big ass explosion at begining of chapter and all flames we seen around Law on first few pages. So perhaps fire is no weakness at all to Trebol.

We had Cesar who was using Oxygen Sword before and he didnt looked to be careful while using it making everything around himself burn. With Trebol it might be kind of the same.
He is playing with fire without much care. Sabos strength and power should be over what Trebol can show so I guess that fire or no fire Trebol would loose, though not(only) thanks to his snotty substance being flamable.

Monquito

It's hard to tell if Sabo is even gonna fight, it all depends on who mysterious guy it is.

sabinis

@Monquito:

It's hard to tell if Sabo is even gonna fight, it all depends on who mysterious guy it is.

My bet is on Burgess.

He gotten treated like Sanji being kept offscreen for a very long time. He might want to take away whever he can out of strong Devil Fruit users fighting on top of palace. Whoever he manages to grab he gets strong devil fruit.
A bit more from Yonko Blackbeard commander before we get to see Pekoms and Tamago in action I would gladly welcome.

Monquito

Thing is Sabo would take on Burguess, with none of them going down this early Trébol will still remain without an oponent.

.access timeco.

This Dressrosa thread is better than the other Dressrosa thread.

sabinis

@Monquito:

Thing is Sabo would take on Burguess, with none of them going down this early Trébol will still remain without an oponent.

Burgess needs a bit of redemption for how he was "fooled" by Sabo. Last scenes I remember him in this arc are when he was falling along with debris from arena with snot dingling from his nose, then being pissed at Sabo taking away Mera Mera no mi- not great impression for last bit of panel time in arc for him.

I would like to see few more pages of Sabo vs Burgess fight with some big scale attacks. With both of them for example showing that they would have to get very serious to take out one another and Burgess quitting when some back up for Luffy comes (beside Sabo) - like Zoro flying on Kanjuros bird. So we see that Yonko commander isnt easily dealt with even by Sabo.

uniaka ikuzakas

I think " let's fight and not have a winner" is over this arc. Sabo even had it with Fujitora. There's none left to fight trebol, unless zoro gets to beat two seats this arc, mansherry heals law.

If Burgess has a role, then I think it's only related to a fruit he would want to get. If I was Burgess, I would take sugar with me, best fruit:ninja:

An things are simple, zoro would fight the second only if this arc din't have kyros, sabo, law.

Monquito

@uniaka:

An things are simple, zoro would fight the second only if this arc din't have kyros, sabo, law.

Second what??, that's the thing, the patron isn't "Zoro always defeats first mate or most trusted guy" more accurately the patron is Zoro always defeats 2nd most dangerous/stronger.

We got to wait to see if Sabo is actually gonna fight Trébol or if the main debate will still be only between Vergo and Pica.

DARK_RITUAL

In PUnkhazard
Luffy fought the 2nd most dangerous or strongest whatever CC is
Sanji clashed with the strongest or most dangerous Vergo
Vergo beat smoker
Law beat Vergo the strongest
Zoro beat monet the 3rd below Vergo and CC.

Dressrosa
Strongest enemy in Don family Doflamingo fought/clash- Law, Sanji, and Luffy
Trebol fought/clash- Usopp, Robin, Law
Pica- Zoro and Luffy

I forgot what I was trying to say with the above.

sabinis

@DARK_RITUAL:

In PUnkhazard
Luffy fought the 2nd most dangerous or strongest whatever CC is
Sanji clashed with the strongest or most dangerous Vergo
Vergo beat smoker
Law beat Vergo the strongest
Zoro beat monet the 3rd below Vergo and CC.

Dressrosa
Strongest enemy in Don family Doflamingo fought/clash- Law, Sanji, and Luffy
Trebol fought/clash- Usopp, Robin, Law
Pica- Zoro and Luffy

I forgot what I was trying to say with the above.

Thanks for making me lol a bit at sunday morning

Truth is that Sanji is first to face strongest enemies in New World out of Monster Trio.

He faced Vergo on Punk Hazard as first and only person out of Strawhats. Zoro didnt gotten anybody as strong as Vergo even till now, so long after Punk Hazard.
Sanji also faced Doflamingo first during Dressrosa arc, next to Green Bit.
Now he is against 2 Yonko fighters.

Oda gave him harsh treatment at first but now I guess it will pay back. Vergo seemed to be "Yonko Commander" fighter - I see him as somebody around as strong as likes of Burgess, same with Sanji.
I dont believe that Pica is all that strong- if he was he would be a match for Zoro in direct combat but when fight gotten into swordfight/ direct haki contact Pica gotten destroyed by Zoro. If Sanji and Zoro are around same with edge for Zoro( very small difference imo, same as between Zoro and Luffy) then Vergo would be a big deal also for Zoro, we seen that Pica was not(he relied too much on his devil fruit).

Trebol is up to question as we gotten him throwing ship once, showing some amazing speed etc but not proper match up against strong enemy.
I think with speed that Trebol has and some attacks that we are yet to see beside what we seen he is more dangerous than Pica when it comes to direct fighting.
Doflamingo would not trust him his most valuable things if that would not be the case. I want to get to know why he has chains on his legs though, hope Oda will touch upon that.

Monquito

@DARK_RITUAL:

In PUnkhazard
Luffy fought the 2nd most dangerous or strongest whatever CC is
Sanji clashed with the strongest or most dangerous Vergo
Vergo beat smoker
Law beat Vergo the strongest
Zoro beat monet the 3rd below Vergo and CC.

Dressrosa
Strongest enemy in Don family Doflamingo fought/clash- Law, Sanji, and Luffy
Trebol fought/clash- Usopp, Robin, Law
Pica- Zoro and Luffy

I forgot what I was trying to say with the above.

Indeed, this has no point at all.

I mean in the official versus not simple casual clashes.

In the "in-between arcs"(Drum, Little Garden, Jaya, Ling Long Land shit and Punk Hazard) there are no patrons at all, that's the interesting part of those small arcs.
In the main arcs(Arabasta, Skypiea, Ennies Lobby, Thriller Bark, Gyiojin Island and Dressrosa) Zoro mostly gets to fight the most dangerous one besides the Big Boss of course, being Thriller Bark and Gyiojin Island pretty arguable cases and since Dressrosa is not over just yet we still can't state if Zoro indeed fought and beat up the 2nd most dangerous one, while in Arabasta, Skypiea and Ennies Lobby he kinda did.

sabinis

@Monquito:

Indeed, this has no point at all.

I mean in the official versus not simple casual clashes.

In the "in-between arcs"(Drum, Little Garden, Jaya, Ling Long Land shit and Punk Hazard) there are no patrons at all, that's the interesting part of those small arcs.
In the main arcs(Arabasta, Skypiea, Ennies Lobby, Thriller Bark, Gyiojin Island and Dressrosa) Zoro mostly gets to fight the most dangerous one besides the Big Boss of course, being Thriller Bark and Gyiojin Island pretty arguable cases and since Dressrosa is not over just yet we still can't state if Zoro indeed fought and beat up the 2nd most dangerous one, while in Arabasta, Skypiea and Ennies Lobby he kinda did.

With Zoro after Timeskip first he beaten strongest guy on Fishman Island, then some middle rank Monet was beaten by him and now one of top people in Mingos crew but not inside of top 3 imo.
Next arc Zoro will get to fight second strongest enemy, Sanji thrid one and Luffy biggest bad- old fashioned match up is what I expect as now Zoro HAS to get somebody as strong as himself at least.

DARK_RITUAL

Well since after Timeskip and from fishman island Zoro has been fighting with the 3rd character or villain or strongest or most important enemy in that arc

Fishman island- Zoro vs Hyouzou who we will agree was like the 3rd important villain after Hody(beaten by Luffy) and van decken(beaten by Hody).

Punkhazard- Zoro vs Monet the 3rd after vergo(beaten by Law) and CC(beaten by Luffy)

So Dressrosa could be the samething- Pica could just be the 3rd guy in that arc since I believe Trebol used to be the old master and that's why Doffy is being called Young master and Trebol is even older than them all.

Luis20

Isn't there yet on the Shueisha site the HD picture from Volume 77's cover?

redon

Luis20

Thanks, Redon.

Fisher Tiger

Cover One Piece Lucky 77 Postcard
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=978-4-08-908243-0

BernieCrane

is the postcard included with every volume?

Underworld1991

@sabinis:

Thanks for making me lol a bit at sunday morning Truth is that Sanji is first to face strongest enemies in New World out of Monster Trio. He faced Vergo on Punk Hazard as first and only person out of Strawhats. Zoro didnt gotten anybody as strong as Vergo even till now, so long after Punk Hazard. Sanji also faced Doflamingo first during Dressrosa arc, next to Green Bit. Now he is against 2 Yonko fighters. Oda gave him harsh treatment at first but now I guess it will pay back. Vergo seemed to be "Yonko Commander" fighter - I see him as somebody around as strong as likes of Burgess, same with Sanji. I dont believe that Pica is all that strong- if he was he would be a match for Zoro in direct combat but when fight gotten into swordfight/ direct haki contact Pica gotten destroyed by Zoro. If Sanji and Zoro are around same with edge for Zoro( very small difference imo, same as between Zoro and Luffy) then Vergo would be a big deal also for Zoro, we seen that Pica was not(he relied too much on his devil fruit). Trebol is up to question as we gotten him throwing ship once, showing some amazing speed etc but not proper match up against strong enemy. I think with speed that Trebol has and some attacks that we are yet to see beside what we seen he is more dangerous than Pica when it comes to direct fighting. Doflamingo would not trust him his most valuable things if that would not be the case. I want to get to know why he has chains on his legs though, hope Oda will touch upon that.

Zoro clashed with Fujitora who the strongest enemy the Straws hats has come across post time skip.

Skadi

Now I can see the details better, like Dellinger´s fangs.

Snir

@redon:

http://www.shonenjump.com/j/comics/assets_c/2015/03/onepiece077-thumb-400x635-3067.jpg

It looks like doffy's jolly roger on Buffalo's teeth isn't crossed out…
oops?

Strawhat Chan

Where are the SBS goddamn it!

sabinis

@Strawhat:

Where are the SBS goddamn it!

So impatient

Volume comes out next week we should get SBS in next few days.

Enzeru

The cover looks alright but given its content and supposed impact I have to say it's lacking the latter a bit. It feels like Oda could've put in more effort into creating a once-in-a-series cover.

redon

One Piece Lucky 77 cover and official website.

http://jcs.shueisha.co.jp/lucky77/

Kaimon

16 chars of Thanks, Redon!

RobZilla

@Underworld1991:

Zoro clashed with Fujitora who the strongest enemy the Straws hats has come across post time skip.

…and got gravity drilled into the ground.

sabinis

@Underworld1991:

Zoro clashed with Fujitora who the strongest enemy the Straws hats has come across post time skip.

But Sanji clashed with Doflamingo bit sooner - and what I also mean is that Doflamingo is strongest antagonist Strawhats faced in New World while Fujitora doesnt have antagonistic role(yet or he wont have it at all).