What is a giant?

Superbear24

This has been on my mind for a while and maybe this warrants a thread. I know the question is a bit obvious "No shit its a really big human" but I'm starting to think things might be more complex than that seeing as how there are actual humans that are over 20 feet tall and giants who look to be a little taller than Doflamingo. There are also different from different places, for example all the viking inspired giants come from Elbalf but seem to be the most unrefined as oppose to wherever Saul is from. I'm thinking there's a biological difference but due to what we'eve seen so far giants don't really have anything special about them. Again yeah the size can be seen as a special trait but like a said there can be really "small" giants and yet really big humans so I ask again, and I hope I'm coming in clear : What is a giant?

Apologies if this thread is looked upon unfavorably, but I'm not trolling I'm very serious. Even though that sounded like a troll statment, i assure you I'm serious.

SpaceCowboy

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Going to sleep now though, but this seems like an interesting topic

Superbear24

@SpaceCowboy:

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Going to sleep now though, but this seems like an interesting topic

Yeah I know about the engineering of giants that CC was doing but what separates that from people who are just huge, like Kuma.

King Cannon

@SpaceCowboy:

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Going to sleep now though, but this seems like an interesting topic

Uh, Whitebeard was already huge way before needing that medicine.

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Giants are a race in one piece that live longer than humans unlike in the real world where they're just very tall people however you have characters like Oars,Oars jr and that big guy from Blackbeards crew that make even giants look small they are from Elbaf and some other unknown islands a basic list of them can be found from the link below .
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Giant

The tall people you could say just have a past relative that was a giant making them taller than normal but not a true giant because whitebeard actually had a fight with a giant in marineford and you can see a big size difference.

@King:

Uh, Whitebeard was already huge way before needing that medicine.

People also already saw that symbol and said that Doflamingo was poisoning Whitebeard which is why he was weaker during the war.

King Cannon

@hover:

People also already saw that symbol and said that Doflamingo was poisoning Whitebeard which is why he was weaker during the war.

I thought it was obvious that was his age, which several characters even commented on.

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Shadowgreed

The generic smile symbol on One Piece is the symbol of dead and giantification. Truth!

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RomanceDawn

I'm not sure about giants in general but Oars's whole line seems to have started artificially judging by Law's words and thoughts on the subject. Not to mention the other Oars like skull that was found on Punk Hazard. Zombie Oars might have been a normal human or giant and then experimented on that made him as big as he was. Later I just assumed he passed on those artificial genes to his children. Oars size giants don't seem like a natural thing at all in the One piece world. San Juan Wolf however I have no comment on yet.

As far as the big people like Neptune, Shirahoshi and White Beard, I guess they are just big and that's that. More or less what Chopper said on the subject. While I don't think more will come of it later I won't write it off completely.

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The admirals are big as well and the size difference is most likely to make them stand out more.

@King:

I thought it was obvious that was his age, which several characters even commented on.

Whitebeard was most likely not sick in his young age as well because no tubes up his nose unlike when he was older which means they could also be talking about that as well also he could have had the same disease that Gol d roger had as well by getting it from Roger when they were fighting which is why he was taking stuff to stay alive so that his name would protect those islands however Luffy might also get this disease but Chopper will cure him because of his dream.

Heaps of old people in One piece so it was more than just being old and he was sick as well so it's true that it was more than his age also getting to slowly poison a yonkou over time to weaken them and take them down (Doflamingo wants to destroy the world so taking the yonkou out would put the new world into chaos like we saw after the war) and Doflamingo most likely has a way of controlling the smile fruit users because he likes to pull the strings.

like king cannon already said Whitebeard was big even before he was sick and taking it to try and live so that he could train a replacement yonkou which was Ace but Blackbeard did it instead but he still got stronger under Whitebeard by getting the darkness fruit by hanging around for 20 years.

old whitebeard vs young whitebeard

Psycrow

@hover:

The tall people you could say just have a past relative that was a giant making them taller than normal

If it started with just giants and normal humans, how would any of them have had sex? If the giant was a father, the penis would be as big as the mother; if the giant was the mother, the whole father would've had to have crawled in and… yeah I don't think that'd work, lol

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DARK_RITUAL

@Psycrow:

If it started with just giants and normal humans, how would any of them have had sex? If the giant was a father, the penis would be as big as the mother; if the giant was the mother, the whole father would've had to have crawled in and… yeah I don't think that'd work, lol

Seriously don't ever question one piece logic.

One of Doflamingo crewmate is half merman half human, how is that even possible? Maybe crossbreeding works on every livingthing in one piece. By that I mean, you can take a sperm of a male fish and put it in human female and poof female human is pregnant.

Psycrow

@hover:

Well we have fishman and giant hybrids so they could have went inside when the female giant was in water having fun or a mermaid could have gone inside when the male giant was taking a piss when he was in the water because some small fish have done that in the real world but then they got trapped and had to be removed by a doctor and we know that humans have done it with merfolk and fishman lol.

I'm sure that's exactly what Oda had in mind… :P
Totally not just genetically different-sized humans or anything, lol

Monkey King

@Superbear24:

There are also different from different places, for example all the viking inspired giants come from Elbalf but seem to be the most unrefined as oppose to wherever Saul is from. I'm thinking there's a biological difference but due to what we'eve seen so far giants don't really have anything special about them.

They're just different cultures of giants. Maybe they look a little different, but that's no different from humans from different geographic places. They're both giants.

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@Psycrow:

If it started with just giants and normal humans, how would any of them have had sex? If the giant was a father, the penis would be as big as the mother; if the giant was the mother, the whole father would've had to have crawled in and… yeah I don't think that'd work, lol

Us Homo Sapiens bred with other humanish species like Neanderthals, anyone who isn't 100% African has Neanderthal DNA in them, not a lot but it's there.
I think I even read that we owe them diabetes lol.

So yeah, irl breeding between human like species was possible and worked out fine. So why not the human like species in One Piece? Yeah sure it's strange to imagine the sex, but the giant female and human male…uh would work out...just awkwardly lol.

But for real though, we already have evidence of this with the Wotans. Fishmen and Giants can breed. So there's really no reason to question humans and giants breeding.

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@DARK_RITUAL:

Seriously don't ever question one piece logic.

One of Doflamingo crewmate is half merman half human, how is that even possible? Maybe crossbreeding works on every livingthing in one piece. By that I mean, you can take a sperm of a male fish and put it in human female and poof female human is pregnant.

Like I said dude, actual different species of humanoid creatures interbred and it worked out irl. Unless you're allllll African you yourself contain the evidence within you. As do I.

Black Leg

Didn't Gantz already show us how a human would have sex with a giant?

Monkey King

@Black:

Didn't Gantz already show us how a human would have sex with a giant?

I dunno, but it did show us how shitty and shallow Seinen manga can be lol.

Psycrow

I'm far from sold on deadly-uncomfortable-regular-human-with-regular-giant-sex being what Oda had in mind over just genetically different sized humans :P

Monkey King

@Psycrow:

I'm far from sold on deadly-uncomfortable-regular-human-with-regular-giant-sex being what Oda had in mind over just genetically different sized humans :P

Again, Wotan .

It's not like some way out there concept for kid's fantasy series, Harry Potter had giant-human crossbreeds too!

Psycrow

@Monkey:

Again, Wotan .

…are neither regular human nor regular giant

Galaxy 9000

@Psycrow:

…are neither regular human nor regular giant

They are produced from fishman (sometimes human sized) and giant relations.

Psycrow

@Galaxy:

They are produced from fishmen and giant relations.

Again, no regular human involved in that

Aaronrules380

Not to mention we also have chimney being 1/4 mermaid and the rest human, and fishmen and mermaids can breed

Monkey King

@Psycrow:

…are neither regular human nor regular giant

It's a regular fishperson and regular giant reproducing and the result is a Wotan.
It's literally the same exact concept as a regular human and a regular giant. Or any other combination of human like species you can imagine. Longnecks, Long-legs, etc ect etc.

Psycrow

@Monkey:

It's a regular fishperson and regular giant reproducing and the result is a Wotan.
It's literally the same exact concept as a regular human and a regular giant. Or any other combination of human like species you can imagine. Longnecks, Long-legs, etc ect etc.

You're not getting it.
Fishmen are not human.

Monkey King

@Aaronrules380:

Not to mention we also have chimney being 1/4 mermaid and the rest human, and fishmen and mermaids can breed

Exactly, why people can't just imagine that one combo we haven't seen yet I don't understand.
That it has happened IN REAL LIFE just makes it odder.

Galaxy 9000

@Psycrow:

You're not getting it.
Fishmen are not human.

Your problem seems to be size differences… which is nullified by fishmen (who are not gigantic always) breeding with giants.

Psycrow

@Galaxy:

Your problem seems to be size differences… which is nullified by fishmen (who are not gigantic always) breeding with giants.

Having large fishmen at all, and with different features, is what makes it different.
There's too much size difference between a regular human and regular giant for it to work, period.

Aaronrules380

@Psycrow:

You're not getting it.
Fishmen are not human.

Fishmen can breed with mermaids, who can breed with humans. Hell, it seems pretty likely from the panel calling dellinger a fighting fishman hybrid that he's half fishman and half human

Psycrow

@Aaronrules380:

Fishmen can breed with mermaids, who can breed with humans. Hell, it seems pretty likely from the panel calling dellinger a fighting fishman hybrid that he's half fishman and half human

I wasn't saying that to say that fishmen can't breed with humans.
I was saying that to say that regular humans can't have sex with regular giants, and fishmen are unrelated to the topic all together.

DARK_RITUAL

@Monkey:

Like I said dude, actual different species of humanoid creatures interbred and it worked out irl. Unless you're allllll African you yourself contain the evidence within you. As do I.

This my first time hearing about the species called Neanderthal, just learnt another new stuff today. If humans capability of interbreeding with any humanoid creature has been proven, then does that mean we can interbreed with monkeys, gorillaz?etc?

Aaronrules380

@Psycrow:

I wasn't saying that to say that fishmen can't breed with humans.
I was saying that to say that regular humans can't have sex with regular giants, and fishmen are unrelated to the topic all together.

So how did Otohime give birth to shirahoshi? You're thinking way too hard into this

valiantt

…are we trying to add science to One Piece again?

Must I remind you that this comic is about a rubber pirate?

Monkey King

@Psycrow:

You're not getting it.
Fishmen are not human.

Neither are giants lol.

Species can interbreed and reproduce if close enough.
This? This is not a human either. Neither is this, which we, as in humans/homo sapiens ALSO possibly bred with.
This is realllll life.
Why is this concept tough to grasp in a fantasy series??
If fishmen and humans can breed, and if fishmen and giants can breed, then there is absolutely no reason why not humans and giants cannot breed. It's simple math. F+H=BABY, F+G=BABY, so why not H+G=BABY too?

Aaronrules380

@DARK_RITUAL:

This my first time hearing about the species called Neanderthal, just learnt another new stuff today. If humans capability of interbreeding with any humanoid creature has been proven, then does that mean we can interbreed with monkeys, gorillaz?etc?

There's a limit. Technically you have to be in the same species to produce viable offspring. I'm not sure if the neanderthal thing is actually true, although I've heard stuff about how some people argued that neanderthals were actually just another branch of homo sapiens. Regardless, we're too genetically distant to any other primates to breed

Psycrow

@Aaronrules380:

So how did Otohime give birth to shirahoshi? You're thinking way too hard into this

Babies are small, fishmen aren't human, genetics aren't related, fishmen aren't related, and babies aren't related.
The size difference of a regular giant and a regular human is too great for sex to work, and especially for it to be what Oda had in mind as the origin of giants over just genetically different-sized humans. I've kept it simple the whole time, people adding unrelated things to the statement is all that tried to complicate it.

AlucarDraculA

Don't forget this guy

Monkey King

@Psycrow:

Having large fishmen at all, and with different features, is what makes it different.
There's too much size difference between a regular human and regular giant for it to work, period.

What does size have to do with anything? Do you not understand how reproduction works? Sperm goes to egg, baby happens.
Explain how sperm cannot reach egg here.

Psycrow

@Monkey:

What does size have to do with anything? Do you not understand how reproduction works? Sperm goes to egg, baby happens.
Explain how sperm cannot reach egg here.

Again, I'm talking about sex, and oda's intentions. Same thing from the start.

Monkey King

@DARK_RITUAL:

This my first time hearing about the species called Neanderthal, just learnt another new stuff today. If humans capability of interbreeding with any humanoid creature has been proven, then does that mean we can interbreed with monkeys, gorillaz?etc?

Monkeys are a different branch of Primates entirely from where we, gorillas, and chimps are.
Gorillas and chimps are the closest living things to us, but not THAT close.
Neanderthals and those guys were close enough.

(also how did you not know about neanderthals lol, they're in cartoons everywhere nevermind science class!)

Aaronrules380

@Psycrow:

Babies are small, fishmen aren't human, genetics aren't related, fishmen aren't related, and babies aren't related.
The size difference of a regular giant and a regular human is too great for sex to work, and especially for it to be what Oda had in mind as the origin of giants over just genetically different-sized humans. I've kept it simple the whole time, people adding unrelated things to the statement is all that tried to complicate it.

Monkey King

@valiantt:

…are we trying to add science to One Piece again?

Must I remind you that this comic is about a rubber pirate?

No what's happening here is people are claiming a REAL LIFE thing is too outlandish for the rubber pirate comic book lol

DARK_RITUAL

@Psycrow:

Having large fishmen at all, and with different features, is what makes it different.
There's too much size difference between a regular human and regular giant for it to work, period.

In real life wolves and dogs can interbreed but that doesn't mean a wolve will start humping a dog or the other way around. Like I said before, just take the males sperm and inject it into the female and you get your crossbreed. They don't need to do whatever you have been thinking.

Monkey King

@Psycrow:

Again, I'm talking about sex, and oda's intentions. Same thing from the start.

Yes, I'm asking you to explain how sperm of a human can't reach a giant's egg. The opposite is more complex so let's leave it here for now.
If anything it's EASIER to impregnate a woman with a huge hoo-ha lol.

Psycrow

@Aaronrules380:

http://i18.mangapanda.com/one-piece/621/one-piece-2424279.jpg

That's still unrelated. Their bodies are not like a human's, the mothers may stretch different than a human, and it may have been a premature birth anyway.
Again, a regular giant and regular human have too much size difference to have sex. Oda obviously had genetically-different-sized humans in mind and that's all.

Monkey King

@DARK_RITUAL:

In real life wolves and dogs can interbreed but that doesn't mean a wolve will start humping a dog or the other way around. Like I said before, just take the males sperm and inject it into the female and you get your crossbreed. They don't need to do whatever you have been thinking.

Uh actually I'm pretty sure wolves and dogs would hump not only eachother, but legs, pillows, anything really lol.
Contrary to Hitler's best efforts, nature is all about mixing anything and everything, it doesn't give the remotest shit.

Doffy. D Evil

@Monkey:

I dunno, but it did show us how shitty and shallow Seinen manga can be lol.

Glad to know i am not the only one who thought that Gantz was garbage .

Khamolen

@Psycrow:

That's still unrelated. Shirahoshi's body is not like a human's, may not stretch different than a human's, and may have resulted in a premature birth anyway.
Again, a regular giant and regular human have too much size difference to have sex. Oda obviously had genetically-different-sized humans in mind and that's all.

Or maybe Oda doesn't give a shit about the mechanics and purposely presented an impossible newborn-to-mother size ratio as a joke.