Does anyone hear have any ideas what Crocodiles secret is that invankov mentioned at IP? He seems quite embarrassed about it? You don't suppose it's the fact he has a son who's a massive straw hat fanboy? wink wink
Chapter 779: "Final Fight"
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Does anyone hear have any ideas what Crocodiles secret is that invankov mentioned at IP? He seems quite embarrassed about it? You don't suppose it's the fact he has a son who's a massive straw hat fanboy? wink wink
Right now, the most popular theory is that he was Lady Croc.
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Dame Crocodile is a fucking brilliant idea and I eagerly await the day it's confirmed.
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I see, Lady Croco is what scared Koala, she's wearing a bad outfit, we need Sabo master of fashion to fix this.
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Does anyone hear have any ideas what Crocodiles secret is that invankov mentioned at IP? He seems quite embarrassed about it? You don't suppose it's the fact he has a son who's a massive straw hat fanboy? wink wink
Check the Shichibukai thread, there was a discussion about this like 6 months ago or something.
Anyway, ever heard of a game called Romancing Saga 2?
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Just check wiki for short descriptions of each of those 7 bosses and it will become evident it's no coincidence. The only question is, how true Oda was to the inspiration concerning
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Be controversial and talk about power level tiers more.
I was thinking about learning to convert power levels into cavendish
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I was thinking about learning to convert power levels into cavendish
Or you could try something like "Sabo will defeat Fujitora again by the end of the arc"… :happy:
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I was thinking about learning to convert power levels into cavendish
And then convert that Cavendish into a Hakuba .
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Does anyone hear have any ideas what Crocodiles secret is that invankov mentioned at IP? He seems quite embarrassed about it? You don't suppose it's the fact he has a son who's a massive straw hat fanboy? wink wink
I think it is more likely that croc used to be a woman
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New theory: When crocodile uses CoA he can harden his sand into glass
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When I first read this chapter, and I honestly can't remember when, it said there was a break.
PLEASE tell me that break was last week and I will wake up to a wonderful new Chapter tomorrow before I leave for the no-internet house I live at most of the week.
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When I first read this chapter, and I honestly can't remember when, it said there was a break.
PLEASE tell me that break was last week and I will wake up to a wonderful new Chapter tomorrow before I leave for the no-internet house I live at most of the week.
To reward your memory, soothe your hopes and put out your despair I will take it on myself to pronounce that this weeks' chapter will soon see the day of light.
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To reward your memory, soothe your hopes and put out your despair I will take it on myself to pronounce that this weeks' chapter will soon see the day of light.
God bless Selphie-san :P
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Check the Shichibukai thread, there was a discussion about this like 6 months ago or something.
Anyway, ever heard of a game called Romancing Saga 2?
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Just check wiki for short descriptions of each of those 7 bosses and it will become evident it's no coincidence. The only question is, how true Oda was to the inspiration concerning
LadySir Crocodile.while there are some similarities, it's not an end all be all. Some don't even match at all. Kuma's and Jimbe's for one (yeah Jimbe fights in the ocean but still)
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while there are some similarities, it's not an end all be all. Some don't even match at all. Kuma's and Jimbe's for one (yeah Jimbe fights in the ocean but still)
Of course they aren't carbon copies, but there are enough similarities to conclude it's no coincidence. As you say, Jinbe's counterpart is close enough. As for Kuma's, if I'm not mistaken, he gets a technological upgrade during the game.
Crocodile's counterpart is a mastermind and that's pretty much the only connection. However, as I said, it all depends which elements Oda took for his story.. As with other characters, there are some similarities and some differences. I'm pretty sure Oda is perfectly aware what part of the readers might have thought after Iva's comment, which is why he kept teasing by showing Croc only from behind on Roger's execution and drawing him as a kid that might be a boy or a girl.
But I'm just repeating stuff from Shichi thread.
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Of course they aren't carbon copies, but there are enough similarities to conclude it's no coincidence. As you say, Jinbe's counterpart is close enough. As for Kuma's, if I'm not mistaken, he gets a technological upgrade during the game.
Crocodile's counterpart is a mastermind and that's pretty much the only connection. However, as I said, it all depends which elements Oda took for his story.. As with other characters, there are some similarities and some differences. I'm pretty sure Oda is perfectly aware what part of the readers might have thought after Iva's comment, which is why he kept teasing by showing Croc only from behind on Roger's execution and drawing him as a kid that might be a boy or a girl.
But I'm just repeating stuff from Shichi thread.
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Hey! they say women don´t trust each other, Croco and Robin never fully trusted each other, checkmate!!
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Of course they aren't carbon copies, but there are enough similarities to conclude it's no coincidence. As you say, Jinbe's counterpart is close enough. As for Kuma's, if I'm not mistaken, he gets a technological upgrade during the game.
Crocodile's counterpart is a mastermind and that's pretty much the only connection. However, as I said, it all depends which elements Oda took for his story.. As with other characters, there are some similarities and some differences. I'm pretty sure Oda is perfectly aware what part of the readers might have thought after Iva's comment, which is why he kept teasing by showing Croc only from behind on Roger's execution and drawing him as a kid that might be a boy or a girl.
But I'm just repeating stuff from Shichi thread.
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I think that Oda picked Iva to point some secret in Crocos past so we think its gender related. Then he played along making us unsure.
We already gotten Crocodile drawing as Woman in one of latest SBS if that would be Crocodiles secret I dont think that Oda would show us design in SBS first.I think that Iva saying he knows Crocodiles weaknes meant his pride and some shameful secret that Crocodile would not like to be known by people like Luffy, Jinbe etc as news about it would spread.
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Hey Darth. I'm going to give you an argument. I want to start with three disclaimers though. I absolutely respect your ability to reason, think you are obviously intelligent, and value skepticism and criticism highly. If in any of what follows it seems as if I am insulting you, or implying you are an idiot, or anything like that, I assure you that is strictly due to a failure of communication on my part. We have disagreed before, I hope we do again, and I am open to changing my mind in light of good reasons. Here, I am not even sure of my stance, but I will be forwarding an argument for us both to consider together. I, like you, have studied logic; actually, I've taught logic at the university level for 2 years, and if 1/4 of my students argued like you I'd be a very happy prof. Second, I have offered something like this argument before, but I do not believe you ever responded, and I don't think I quoted you so that's my bad. Third, it is relatively early for me and I am in somewhat of a rush; please interpret me charitably where possible. I know this is not as streamlined as it could be, but I can respond with more clarity and focus if you have specific concerns with what I am trying to say. Of course, that is not to say that you must accept what I am saying, but just that I may not have made what I mean as straightforward as I would like.
Okay, let's get on with it then. First, I will offer a valid deductive argument (though, perhaps it would be more fair to put this in terms of an inductive argument; if you think so, you can read what follows in that way instead). Next, I will give reasons for thinking the premises are true. Applying the definition of validity (if the premises are true then the conclusion must be true) I will note that - if the premises are in fact true - the conclusion must be true. I believe this argument might approximate Fujitora's own when he goes to Reverie. As a side note, I will include a little bit about Fujitora that I think relevant.
Argument:
P1: If Fujitora qua admiral is not permitted to intervene in cases such as the Dressrosa incident, then the Shichibukai system is problematic.
P2: Fujitora qua admiral is not permitted to intervene in cases such as the Dressrosa incident.
C: The Shichibukai system is problematic.This is a valid deductive syllogism, as you'll agree; for anyone interested, it is called "Modus Ponens," from latin essentially meaning 'the mode of positing/putting/affirming.' It's abstract formulation looks like this:
If P then Q
P
Therefore QAs a valid deductive syllogism, if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true, no matter what the argument is about. The question becomes: Are the premises true? If so, then this argument is sound, and the conclusion must be true. But if at least one premise is false, then we have no idea if the conclusion follows.
Support for P1:
As I understand it, the terms of the agreement between the Shichibukai and WG include this: The marines are not to interfere with a Shichibukai unless a Shichibukai directly antagonizes/attacks/disrupts the WG and its affairs.Yet, a Dressrosa type incident is one that most certainly should receive marine intervention. By all means, it is an incident in which a WG countries citizens are suffering at the hands of a pirate. So, if the marines can't intervene in such a case, then there is a problem with the Shichibukai system.
Fujitora is just one token marine, but this premise could be a claim about the marines in general; he is just the one who happens to be present and capable.
Support for P2:
This is, in my opinion, the contentious premise (I take 1 to be evident). I think that showing this premise to be true could be why Fujitora is doing nothing. I agree with you, Darth, that Fuji's inaction is not just a matter of letting the incident escalate; your arguments, especially by analogy to crocodile, are convincing. Keep in mind, though, that if P1 is true and the above argument is valid (it is), that if P2 is true then the conclusion must follow. Showing P2 to be true goes a long way towards Fuji's goal of showing the conclusion. So, here is what I think is happening.I think Fujitora could argue (though it may not necessarily be accepted) that he is technically not allowed to act against Doflamingo during this incident. The reasoning goes something like this: The King of a country turning against his own country and its citizens is, while a horrendous act that should be stopped, arguably not a direct action against the WG. All that is necessary is for this claim - about a king against his country - to be contentious; if it is unclear whether Doffy's actions are directly against WG, then Fujitora could argue that he was not to interfere, that is, could argue that P2 is true.
Yet, he obviously has a moral obligation to stop Doflamingo. That is the heart of the matter: The agreement between WG and the Shichibukai is hindering the marine's abilities to fulfill their moral obligations. I point that out not as a fundamental part of the argument (so it can be dismissed if you like), but as Fujitora's motivation behind the above arguments and behind his (in)actions. On the flip side, it may be as much of an argument is Fujitora is willing to give (I doubt he will bust out a modus ponens), but examination of the above argument brings out and is very much within the idea of this motivation.
(The argument can now be put into a stronger form, if we prefer - still a modus ponens, though:
If the shichibukai system is preventing the marines from fulfilling their moral obligations, then it should be abolished.
The shichibukai system is preventing the marines from fulfilling their moral obligations (in accordance with the rules of the system and an ambiguity about Doflamingo's actions and Fujitora's duty).
Thus the shichibukai system should be abolished.
The idea is that he would be able to act - no ambiguity about the "rules" would ever arise - if there were no agreement between WG and these pirates in the first place.)Conclusion: If the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. The question is whether or not people at Reverie would accept P2 (in either the original or "strong" version of the argument). If Fujitora were to act against Doffy, then his actions might risk contradicting his claim that he was not supposed to act, as it could be claimed that he does not actually believe that himself (potentially tu quo que circumstantial ad hominem, but the fallacies are prevalent because of how successfully they mislead), and it could also be said that - even if he does believe P2 - that didn't get in the way, and so long as admirals use their best judgment things will turn out alright. So, by not acting, he is making the strongest case for premise 2, and he is best motivating the entire argument. In this way, you might even say his inaction is rhetorical, though perhaps not "logical" in certain senses.
(Though, one might argue that it is logical to use rhetoric to get what you want… that is a good question that I will have to put off for another day!)End notes about Fujitora: As a marine draftee, it is not entirely clear that Fujitora ascribes to "absolute justice." If he does not, then he could be allowing Doffy to do what he is going to do (while, purportedly, protecting citizens), and he could refuse to arrest the straw hats, all for what he personally considers to be right - the abolition of the Shichibukai. An absolute justice guy would likely stop Doflamingo and arrest the Straw Hats regardless of his own agenda (well, absolute justice would BE his agenda).
Lastly, I will note that this is just meant to offer an argument to make sense of his actions - if he doesn't act due to some ambiguous agreement with pirates, resulting is a catastrophe, that may lend credit to the idea that there should be no such agreement at all. I am entirely open to the fact of the matter being that Fujitora is just inept, or that everyone at reverie is an idiot, or so on, and in that case I absolutely 100% agree with you that Oda is doing a bad job with his character.Taking a critical thinking class in college rn and we just learned about all that if p than q stuff. Thought is was funny to see someone outside of the class use it
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Taking a critical thinking class in college rn and we just learned about all that if p than q stuff. Thought is was funny to see someone outside of the class use it
Oh it's exceptionally useful, mostly since - as formal - it can be applied to pretty much whatever it is you care about. Granted, there are tons of different systems of logic, each with their own insights and limitations, but I think that's all the more reason to learn "the rules of thought."