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      I wanted to start this thread because there are unlimited amounts of different thoughts and perspectives in the manga section of the forum.

      Everytime a chapter is released we all have different thoughts and ideas.

      On a fans side, a type of question is;
      Why does Darth love marines with a passion? There must be a reason. Or even why do YOU think Darth loves marines? (Just an example)

      Or why do fanboys come out? What makes you love what you love.

      On a characters side

      Why is the WG so bad. Why are they so secretive? Why can they pull off what they can without giving a crap?

      Theres unlimited questions.

      Ask other posters why they are passionate about X.

      Give input as to why certain characters might behave a certain way.

      Ill leave it to your imagination!

      QUESTION OF THE DAY

      Who do you fanboy over and why?

      Tag anyone you would want to ask.

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        Why does Darth love marines with a passion? There must be a reason.

        The coats, man. I love that style.

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          The coats, man. I love that style.

          Yea i love tthe coats too, although running around in a coat the way they wear them is impossible. It falls off. There must be more than coats.

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            The Supernova's always bugged me for some reason. I dont really mind them, it just the way they were abruptly inserted into the story that felt odd. Oda spent YEARS building up and revealing the original 7 shichibukais+blackbeard, and then all in one arc these new monster high bounty pirates all arrive out of nowhere.

            I feel like their implied significance in the future story kinda side-tracked what i had grown to expect from the overarching story.

            With that being said most of them are really cool characters in their own right, though.

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              Yea i love tthe coats too, although running around in a coat the way they wear them is impossible. It falls off. There must be more than coats.

              Well, there is also this.

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                Well, there is also this.

                ! http://img.bato.to/comics/2014/06/15/o/read539e2b0883c25/img000015.png

                Im with you on a lot of things Darth, but ill never grasp why you prefere those lava fists over lazer beams wich cause huge ass explosions on impact. The Magma fruit is just dull when compared to the Light fruit, imo.

                On topic, you should have added Swordsmen to the poll. Many people seem to have either an issue or a fascination with them. And dissecting character archetypes is more relevant when attempting to analyze shounen psyhology than talking about the specific politics of One Piece.

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                  Im with you on a lot of things Darth, but ill never grasp why you prefere those lava fists over lazer beams wich cause huge ass explosions on impact. The Magma fruit is just dull when compared to the Light fruit, imo.

                  Personal preference. I just like magma based powers.

                  And I was more refering to getting rid off certain Ace. I enjoyed that quite a lot.

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                  On topic, you should have added Swordsmen to the poll. Many people seem to have either an issue or a fascination with them. And dissecting character archetypes is more relevant when attempting to analyze shounen psyhology than talking about the specific politics of One Piece.

                  Oh yes. Swordsmen. My candidates for top of hated groups of One Piece. Alongside Revolutionaries.

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                    Which group i dislike the most from the poll? Hands down the celestial dragons. Personal preferences because i dont like their aquarium helmet. And at least one of them riding slave just for the sake of it, as in not functionally efficient at all, and more importantly, not cool in style. Why didnt he ride a dragon or two headed horse instead? Now that will be cool.

                    I can go on and on but thats just what is at the top of my head ATM. Heck, actually the author guarantees the CD will be most hated i guess.

                    Lots of marines are cool, but on the personal preferences, i like Aokiji (hope he is still counted in). I always love ice based power in fiction, hell its showing in my nickname.

                    Method of transportation involving environment friendly bicycle through the sea, which is the weakness of the df in general? Check.
                    Lazy justice? 'Nuff said. Check.
                    No need for refrigerator in house? All the drinks come cold, so he will be famous at party? Check.
                    Carefree style of life which is the embodiment of luffy's freedom? Check.
                    Sleeping while standing? Check.
                    Great great grandfather of Elsa in disney's Frozen? Check.

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                    Personal preference. I just like magma based powers.

                    And I was more refering to getting rid off certain Ace. I enjoyed that quite a lot.

                    Oh yes. Swordsmen. My candidates for top of hated groups of One Piece. Alongside Revolutionaries.

                    Eh eh sorry but wanna elaborate on the swordsmen topic? No problems with it, just curious.

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                      Eh eh sorry but wanna elaborate on the swordsmen topic? No problems with it, just curious.

                      I suppose it his about how hype they are.

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                      It was a tough tought choice between celestial dragons and pirates. But for once quantity wins over quality.

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                        Which group i dislike the most from the poll? Hands down the celestial dragons. Personal preferences because i dont like their aquarium helmet. And at least one of them riding slave just for the sake of it, as in not functionally efficient at all, and more importantly, not cool in style. Why didnt he ride a dragon or two headed horse instead? Now that will be cool.

                        I can go on and on but thats just what is at the top of my head ATM. Heck, actually the author guarantees the CD will be most hated i guess.

                        Lots of marines are cool, but on the personal preferences, i like Aokiji (hope he is still counted in). I always love ice based power in fiction, hell its showing in my nickname.

                        Method of transportation involving environment friendly bicycle through the sea, which is the weakness of the df in general? Check.
                        Lazy justice? 'Nuff said. Check.
                        No need for refrigerator in house? All the drinks come cold, so he will be famous at party? Check.
                        Carefree style of life which is the embodiment of luffy's freedom? Check.
                        Sleeping while standing? Check.
                        Great great grandfather of Elsa in disney's Frozen? Check.

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                        Eh eh sorry but wanna elaborate on the swordsmen topic? No problems with it, just curious.

                        Very interesting. I rember watching frozen like "Aokiji can do so much more!". Aokiji for summertime amd Akainu for winter.

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                        The Supernova's always bugged me for some reason. I dont really mind them, it just the way they were abruptly inserted into the story that felt odd. Oda spent YEARS building up and revealing the original 7 shichibukais+blackbeard, and then all in one arc these new monster high bounty pirates all arrive out of nowhere.

                        I feel like their implied significance in the future story kinda side-tracked what i had grown to expect from the overarching story.

                        With that being said most of them are really cool characters in their own right, though.

                        Yea i didnt think of it too much when it happened. But when i think about it, it makes me think that it would have made sene to mention it in a newspaper. Some have interesting powers and stories like Law and Kidd and they will have purpose in the story.

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                        Im with you on a lot of things Darth, but ill never grasp why you prefere those lava fists over lazer beams wich cause huge ass explosions on impact. The Magma fruit is just dull when compared to the Light fruit, imo.

                        On topic, you should have added Swordsmen to the poll. Many people seem to have either an issue or a fascination with them. And dissecting character archetypes is more relevant when attempting to analyze shounen psyhology than talking about the specific politics of One Piece.

                        Was thinking of putting Strawhats up there for a joke. I put bounty hunters under the thought of swordsman type people. Oh well too late unless a mod wants to edit it.

                        The politics is more of a random example. If you want me to add one relating to swordsman, give me a thesis or thought and ill put it up.

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                          The celestial dragons/world government's entire purpose in one piece is being hated so I guess those two are going to lead the poll.
                          And yes, Kizaru for best marine hands down! I love trollish characters!

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                            Was thinking of putting Strawhats up there for a joke. I put bounty hunters under the thought of swordsman type people. Oh well too late unless a mod wants to edit it.

                            The politics is more of a random example. If you want me to add one relating to swordsman, give me a thesis or thought and ill put it up.

                            As Desa said, its mostly related to the hype centered around characters who carry a Katana. This phenomenon is not too prominent here on Arlongpark, but if you go to youtube and read some comments from the general anime audience, Its not uncommon to see "power rankings" where Zoro is placed above Luffy and Mihawk at number one, above the yonkou and admirals.

                            Something i have always been curious about in regards to the one piece fandom is the "obsession" with using the "Nakama" phrase.
                            Its a very, very common phrase in shounen manga and japanese RPGS, since it basicly translates ally/comrade/group. But it has found some wierd, unique significance to this fanbase.
                            It has become a wierd buzzword for "Strawhat crewmate" within the OP fanbase, when that is not what it actually means.

                            In every other shounen i have read, nakama is always translated to the most suited word based on context. Yet for some mysterious reason, its never translated in One Piece scanlations.

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                              Very interesting. I rember watching frozen like "Aokiji can do so much more!". Aokiji for summertime amd Akainu for winter.

                              I can't really picture Aokiji making a castle of ice to be honest and he definitely can't make living things. For me one is simply more into battle in the other.

                              Yea i didnt think of it too much when it happened. But when i think about it, it makes me think that it would have made sene to mention it in a newspaper. Some have interesting powers and stories like Law and Kidd and they will have purpose in the story.

                              They were add thanks to an editor. So yeah, they are last minute addition. I spent the whole arc expecting some backstory for their big ass bounties. You consider magnetism interesting?

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                                The celestial dragons/world government's entire purpose in one piece is being hated so I guess those two are going to lead the poll.
                                And yes, Kizaru for best marine hands down! I love trollish characters!

                                Well put. And again, the other marine logias pales in comparison, in terms of power, utility and coolness. The Pika Pika no mi is probably the most awesome power in the manga.

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                                They were add thanks to an editor. So yeah, they are last minute addition. I spent the whole arc expecting some backstory for their big ass bounties. You consider magnetism interesting?

                                Really? thats.. disheartening to know. But im not really surprised, as they were literally last minute additions to the story right before the war. And regarding Kids magnetic powers, it sure is a boring paramecia but at least its not embarrasingly convoluted and wierd, like basil hakwins power. where do i begin on that one… there is nothing about it that makes sense on any level, it doesnt even resemble traditional vodoo in folklore. Dolls arent supposed to sheild you from damage. Vodoo users dont turn into a giant straw-doll-monsters.

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                                  Something i have always been curious about in regards to the one piece fandom is the "obsession" with using the "Nakama" phrase.
                                  Its a very, very common phrase in shounen manga and japanese RPGS, since it basicly translates ally/comrade/group. But it has found some wierd, unique significance to this fanbase.
                                  It has become a wierd buzzword for "Strawhat crewmate" within the OP fanbase, when that is not what it actually means.

                                  In every other shounen i have read, nakama is always translated to the most suited word based on context. Yet for some mysterious reason, its never translated in One Piece scanlations.

                                  I believe that started with the Kaizoku Fansubs group. When I first started watching the anime back in the day I watched their releases and actually believed nakama was a special word. Now I know better.

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                                    Well put. And again, the other marine logias pales in comparison, in terms of power, utility and coolness. The Pika Pika no mi is probably the most awesome power in the manga.

                                    I still consider that he has the coolest entrance and line from the admirals ("Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light"). I also like his way of work, I consider it the best among the three.

                                    Really? thats.. disheartening to know. But im not really surprised, as they were literally last minute additions to the story right before the war.

                                    Someone who doesn't know that story? It's been a while.
                                    http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=29195&page=39

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                                      I can't really picture Aokiji making a castle of ice to be honest and he definitely can't make living things. For me one is simply more into battle in the other.

                                      They were add thanks to an editor. So yeah, they are last minute addition. I spent the whole arc expecting some backstory for their big ass bounties. You consider magnetism interesting?

                                      Well Kidds powers as basic as they may seem, have unlimited potential with Oda being the Author. Just useDoflamingo as an example. String. Perhaps top 5 most incredible power by the end of the series just based on how something simple cam create grand things.

                                      Apoos DF is really crazy, a musical weapon.

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                                        Someone who doesn't know that story? It's been a while.
                                        http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=29195&page=39

                                        Good thing you linked that (cause I was about to). However, I don't understand why you or anyone else actually, think they're last minute additions. It's possible to make 9 characters with different powers and ties in 3 hours because they were already in his mind (who the hell makes nine new rivals…) - at least, that's how I interpreted it.

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                                          The celestial dragons/world government's entire purpose in one piece is being hated so I guess those two are going to lead the poll.
                                          And yes, Kizaru for best marine hands down! I love trollish characters!

                                          Kizaru is my favourote of the 4 admirals past and present.

                                          No idea what to expect from Green Bull.

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                                            the other marine logias pales in comparison, in terms of power, utility and coolness. The Pika Pika no mi is probably the most awesome power in the manga..

                                            The way Oda portraying it up until now, in battle situation context..yeah, no arguments there.

                                            But if Aokiji can surf the ice in the air while continuously making it, controlling people by freezing the water inside their body, gain land travelling super speed by sliding on ice, seems better now in utilities and coolness, no?

                                            Im kinda pushing it though since i dont really much into its battle potential and coolness, i mostly see the funny side of him.

                                            And woah, people in youtube really think like that about swordsmen? Bad side effects of the anime? Or pure ignorance?

                                            And and, this bounty hunter in the poll, i dont remember anyone except that 2 swordsmen from Zoro's friend? And there is one or two in the colloseum fighter IIRC. But my point is, their group seems nearing extinction?

                                            And yes desa, Aokiji have a hand made ice castle, you just dont see it yet. XD

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                                              I believe that started with the Kaizoku Fansubs group. When I first started watching the anime back in the day I watched their releases and actually believed nakama was a special word. Now I know better.

                                              I really dislike that Luffy wins by Nakama power ups.

                                              Although Dofla can kinda get it as well

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                                                Good thing you linked that (cause I was about to). However, I don't understand why you or anyone else actually, think they're last minute additions. It's possible to make 9 characters with different powers and ties in 3 hours because they were already in his mind (who the hell makes nine new rivals…) - at least, that's how I interpreted it.

                                                Again, because of how abruptly they entered the story relative to their power and implied significance.

                                                Look at how the Admirals and shichibukais were all introduced individually over a long period of time. Oda spent the entire first half of the grand line unraveling them one by one (except for doflamingo and kuma who were introduced togheter in Mariejos). Same with the Admirals, and now the same pattern with the Yonkous.

                                                And some of their powers are lazy/dull by Oda standards.

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                                                  The way Oda portraying it up until now, in battle situation context..yeah, no arguments there.

                                                  But if Aokiji can surf the ice in the air while continuously making it, controlling people by freezing the water inside their body, gain land travelling super speed by sliding on ice, seems better now in utilities and coolness, no?

                                                  Im kinda pushing it though since i dont really much into its battle potential and coolness, i mostly see the funny side of him.

                                                  And woah, people in youtube really think like that about swordsmen? Bad side effects of the anime? Or pure ignorance?

                                                  And and, this bounty hunter in the poll, i dont remember anyone except that 2 swordsmen from Zoro's friend? And there is one or two in the colloseum fighter IIRC. But my point is, their group seems nearing extinction?

                                                  And yes desa, Aokiji have a hand made ice castle, you just dont see it yet. XD

                                                  I dislike bounty hunters cause there are shortages and some are scumbags like jean ango

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                                                    "Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light"

                                                    Ok gotta admit this is cool and badass. Dang how can i forgot it.

                                                    And thanks for the link. New knowledge for me there.

                                                    -=Gods of death love apples=-

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                                                      The way Oda portraying it up until now, in battle situation context..yeah, no arguments there.

                                                      But if Aokiji can surf the ice in the air while continuously making it, controlling people by freezing the water inside their body, gain land travelling super speed by sliding on ice, seems better now in utilities and coolness, no?

                                                      Im kinda pushing it though since i dont really much into its battle potential and coolness, i mostly see the funny side of him.

                                                      And woah, people in youtube really think like that about swordsmen? Bad side effects of the anime? Or pure ignorance?

                                                      Well Kizaru can turn in to a beam and travel anywhere at the speed of light, and his power has better synergy with haki than the other logias since it greatly increases his hand to hand combat potential. Haki infused kick at the speed of light? ouch

                                                      And yeah, Mihawk=Strongest Swordsman=Strongest character. Thats youtube anime comment logic, no joke.

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                                                        Well Kidds powers as basic as they may seem, have unlimited potential with Oda being the Author. Just useDoflamingo as an example. String. Perhaps top 5 most incredible power by the end of the series just based on how something simple cam create grand things.

                                                        I'm always fascinated by how much faith people have in Oda.

                                                        It's pretty hard to screw up with strings. But yeah since Kidd appeared in the age were power are vaguely related I suppose he could be hax.

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                                                        Good thing you linked that (cause I was about to). However, I don't understand why you or anyone else actually, think they're last minute additions. It's possible to make 9 characters with different powers and ties in 3 hours because they were already in his mind (who the hell makes nine new rivals…) - at least, that's how I interpreted it.

                                                        Last minute additional rookies. Last minute addition to the arc. I suppose some could have been introduced later in the story. They are still last minute addition.

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                                                          Again, because of how abruptly they entered the story relative to their power and implied significance.

                                                          Look at how the Admirals and shichibukais were all introduced individually over a long period of time. Oda spent the entire first half of the grand line unraveling them one by one (except for doflamingo and kuma who were introduced togheter in Mariejos). Same with the Admirals, and now the same pattern with the Yonkous.

                                                          I'll address your reply with questions. Do you view the supernovae in the same league as any of the ones you've actually listed? Do you actually think it's normal to make, not 3, not 5, not 7 but 9 rivals? Lastly, would you have preferred them to make their appearance in the New World, rather than Sabaody?

                                                          And some of their powers are lazy/dull by Oda standards.

                                                          Some aren't all - but I agree, more or less.

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                                                            Im gonna stick my neck out and say that outside of the Strawhat crew, Doflamingo is probably the best character Oda ever created. As an arc Villain he has been dissapointing, but the core, backbone character traits such as power, design and personality are super intriguing and unique and fit togheter perfectly. I love the kinectic charisma and the quirky little mystery regarding his eyes. He wears that feather coat like a true pimp.

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                                                              But if Aokiji can surf the ice in the air while continuously making it, controlling people by freezing the water inside their body, gain land travelling super speed by sliding on ice, seems better now in utilities and coolness, no?

                                                              I would say Aokiji has the most useful one.
                                                              Kizaru has the most effective one.
                                                              Akainu has the most frightening one.

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                                                                Last minute additional rookies. Last minute addition to the arc. I suppose some could have been introduced later in the story. They are still last minute addition.

                                                                Nine. That's all I'm even gonna say. Think about that.

                                                                Also my interpretation isn't up for debate, or else you'd be saying they weren't in his mind. (Which Dollar chose correctly to purposely avoid to bold on my reply)

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                                                                  I'll address your reply with questions. Do you view the supernovae in the same league as any of the ones you've actually listed? Do you actually think it's normal to make, not 3, not 5, not 7 but 9 rivals? Lastly, would you have preferred them to make their appearance in the New World, rather than Sabaody?
                                                                  Some aren't all - but I agree, more or less.

                                                                  I would have prefered it if they werent introduced at all. Not a fan of Last minute additions based on editor requests. It just something that side-tracks the overarching story that oda originally had in mind. If Oda really had them in mind before, well then he should have stuck with his original plans and introduce them at his own pace. Not 9 at the same time, out of nowhere. These are supposed to be super rookies on Luffys level, yet we never heard of them during the entire travel through first half of the grandline.

                                                                  Mocktown would have been a great opportunity to introduce a couple of them, if oda really had thought of them earlier.

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                                                                    I'll address your reply with questions. Do you view the supernovae in the same league as any of the ones you've actually listed? Do you actually think it's normal to make, not 3, not 5, not 7 but 9 rivals? Lastly, would you have preferred them to make their appearance in the New World, rather than Sabaody?

                                                                    They are the bunch of rookies which has been incredibly successful but we never heard of and don't know what they did. I may not be the biggest Oda supporter but I think it is clear he didn't plan those rookies. I think they would work better as new world veterans or recent newcomer.

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                                                                      I would have prefered it if they werent introduced at all. Not a fan of Last minute additions based on editor requests. It just something that side-tracks the overarching story that oda originally had in mind.

                                                                      Okay I respect your opinion.

                                                                      @bold Can you read over who came up/said "new characters"?

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                                                                      They are the bunch of rookies which has been incredibly successful but we never heard of and don't know what they did. I may not be the biggest Oda supporter but I think it is clear he didn't plan those rookies. I think they would work better as new world veterans or recent newcomer.

                                                                      So he didn't plan something he proposed. Huh. Okay.

                                                                      @bold Which would've came later, Sabaody was just their introduction which made the arc more exciting - which made Oda and the editor's plan a success.

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                                                                        I have a lot of faith in him but sometimes i dont get what i or someone else wants.

                                                                        If i wwanted a character to seem stronger than an Admiral (slightly above), i would be happy but Darth probably wouldnt.

                                                                        People seem dissapointed just by the way we see things individually. Its kind of like in order for all of us to be happy we just need to think Strawhats, ok just defeat the enemy, i dont like the enemy.

                                                                        But.. People love marines, Doflamingo and other things so someone is always going to lose.

                                                                        In addition to answer the thread question i think tthat fans like me or Darth will like a specific thing but then grow to like everything evolving around it gradually.

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                                                                          As Desa said, its mostly related to the hype centered around characters who carry a Katana. This phenomenon is not too prominent here on Arlongpark, but if you go to youtube and read some comments from the general anime audience, Its not uncommon to see "power rankings" where Zoro is placed above Luffy and Mihawk at number one, above the yonkou and admirals.

                                                                          Something i have always been curious about in regards to the one piece fandom is the "obsession" with using the "Nakama" phrase.
                                                                          Its a very, very common phrase in shounen manga and japanese RPGS, since it basicly translates ally/comrade/group. But it has found some wierd, unique significance to this fanbase.
                                                                          It has become a wierd buzzword for "Strawhat crewmate" within the OP fanbase, when that is not what it actually means.

                                                                          In every other shounen i have read, nakama is always translated to the most suited word based on context. Yet for some mysterious reason, its never translated in One Piece scanlations.

                                                                          Yeah I thought the same thing but in the anime you hear them say nakama a lot so I think it just must be intentional from Oda

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                                                                            I would have prefered it if they werent introduced at all. Not a fan of Last minute additions based on editor requests. It just something that side-tracks the overarching story that oda originally had in mind. If Oda really had them in mind before, well then he should have stuck with his original plans and introduce them at his own pace. Not 9 at the same time, out of nowhere. These are supposed to be super rookies on Luffys level, yet we never heard of them during the entire travel through first half of the grandline.

                                                                            Mocktown would have been a great opportunity to introduce a couple of them, if oda really had thought of them earlier.

                                                                            Oda works around things. Something will ddetour him but he will get back on track with that detour and help the story.

                                                                            Kidd may end up distracting Big Mom and saving Sanji using that addition.

                                                                            I just hate how shounen can wreck mangas mainly being characters thoughts and influencing outcomes.

                                                                            In order to win you need friends and the villain will lose because hes the big baddy.

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                                                                              Well, last minute addition or not, i still think they make sense, add more to the world building, and have the potential to be interesting. Although yah Oda is juggling too much now.

                                                                              Why we never heard of them before? Mostly because luffy never read newspapers. Yeah Oda never plan those maybe, but the explanation about the different route in grand line is kinda good imo.

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                                                                                Yeah I thought the same thing but in the anime you hear them say nakama a lot so I think it just must be intentional from Oda

                                                                                Well thats natural since Oda intended Friendship to be a main theme in the manga. I still find it funny how the OP community has embraced the term to the point of not translating it, when you see/hear it just as much in other manga or a final fantasy game where there is an equal emphasis on friendship.

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                                                                                  So he didn't plan something he proposed. Huh. Okay.

                                                                                  @bold Which would've came later, Sabaody was just their introduction which made the arc more exciting - which made Oda and the editor's plan a success.

                                                                                  I didn't say they weren't plan at all. I have no idea. I'm saying I don't think they plan to have them as rookies as the archipelago. So last minute addition. But that's how I see it.

                                                                                  the bold was simply my personal opinion. I really think that by making them the 11 supernovas Oda put an hype they didn't need on them and by my book their lack of background hurt them when they are introduced as rookies of the same caliber as Luffy.

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                                                                                  Well, last minute addition or not, i still think they make sense, add more to the world building, and have the potential to be interesting. Although yah Oda is juggling too much now.

                                                                                  Why we never heard of them before? Mostly because luffy never read newspapers. Yeah Oda never plan those maybe, but the explanation about the different route in grand line is kinda good imo.

                                                                                  The concept seemed so obvious to me that I'm always surprise it wasn't planned. Might be why I was actually expecting more from them.

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                                                                                    I didn't say they weren't plan at all. I have no idea. I'm saying I don't think they plan to have them as rookies as the archipelago. So last minute addition. But that's how I see it.

                                                                                    the bold was simply my personal opinion. I really think that by making them the 11 supernovas Oda put an hype they didn't need on them and by my book their lack of background hurt them when they are introduced as rookies of the same caliber as Luffy.

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                                                                                      Yeah I thought the same thing but in the anime you hear them say nakama a lot so I think it just must be intentional from Oda

                                                                                      I dont know..fact is you cant believe all the info from the anime. Seems some info from it is derailing or completely wrong sometimes.

                                                                                      EDIT : and i see no hate for the marines and big bad emperors yet?

                                                                                      Even when the marines and pirates in OP is basically the same thing with different banner?
                                                                                      Even when one of the emperors continue to flatten islands, along with its inhabitants, just because of what seems like a trivial things to common folks?

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                                                                                        QUESTION OF THE DAY

                                                                                        Who do you fanboy over and why?

                                                                                        Tag anyone you would want to ask.

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                                                                                          So why does WG gets away with what they do? I would say because most people live a decent life and they are good rulers 80% of the time. Oda is simply focusing on their bad deeds so we don't root for them in the final war.

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                                                                                            So why does WG gets away with what they do? I would say because most people live a decent life and they are good rulers 80% of the time. Oda is simply focusing on their bad deeds so we don't root for them in the final war.

                                                                                            I think that the WG has everyone eradicated or silenced before anyone knows their true colours. Examples like White Town. They lied to protect their name.

                                                                                            The government is a pro rich/royalty organisation just to benefit themselves. I still fail to see why they do it. They have no goals, at least i dont think so.

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                                                                                              I really dislike that Luffy wins by Nakama power ups.

                                                                                              Although Dofla can kinda get it as well

                                                                                              Nakama powerups? How exactly? The only time I can think of where Luffy has won by "nakama powerup" (through Usopp's encouragement) is his fight with Lucci.

                                                                                              Maybe you're thinking of Fairy Tail's Natsu?

                                                                                              As for disliking the Supernovae, I wonder that if people knew nothing of the fact that the group was introduced at the editor's behest (or last minute addition as you guys would put it), would they still dislike them? It seems to me that the dislike stems from this fact alone, which I think is quite shallow because obviously Oda has probably planned for them already.

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                                                                                              where do i begin on that one… there is nothing about it that makes sense on any level, it doesnt even resemble traditional vodoo in folklore. Dolls arent supposed to sheild you from damage. Vodoo users dont turn into a giant straw-doll-monsters.

                                                                                              Unless you forget that he was using voodoo to redirect the damage he's taken towards other people. Isn't this the same thing as using a voodoo doll to inflict curse or pain to the person the doll represents? And shapeshifting is also a part of voodoo/black magic. Sure Oda could've made Hawkins turn into some random animal but I think he was trying to keep the "doll" theme, hence the straw-doll transformation.

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                                                                                                Nakama powerups? How exactly? The only time I can think of where Luffy has won by "nakama powerup" (through Usopp's encouragement) is his fight with Lucci.

                                                                                                Maybe you're thinking of Fairy Tail's Natsu?

                                                                                                As for disliking the Supernovae, I wonder that if people knew nothing of the fact that the group was introduced at the editor's behest (or last minute addition as you guys would put it), would they still dislike them? It seems to me that the dislike stems from this fact alone, which I think is quite shallow because obviously Oda has probably planned for them already.

                                                                                                Lucci was a big one. But its so common that Luffy does all the i will protect my crew, i will never let it happen.

                                                                                                Marineford war was a big one. That was Luffys last big event. Also i know its non canon but the 3d2y special had that nakama theme recurring over and over.

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                                                                                                  They were add thanks to an editor. So yeah, they are last minute addition. I spent the whole arc expecting some backstory for their big ass bounties. You consider magnetism interesting?

                                                                                                  No, the Supernovae were meant to the appear later in the story. Its just, Oda was convinced by his editor to introduce all of them during the Saobaody Arc to make things, and I quote 'more interesting'. That means Oda didn't exactly introduce them on whim (except maybe Killer), and all of them were planned to be part of the story, just not during the Saobaody Arc.

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                                                                                                    Lucci was a big one. But its so common that Luffy does all the i will protect my crew, i will never let it happen.

                                                                                                    Marineford war was a big one. That was Luffys last big event. Also i know its non canon but the 3d2y special had that nakama theme recurring over and over.

                                                                                                    I think you're confusing "Nakama Theme" with "Nakama Power-up". They're definitely not the same thing.
                                                                                                    Your last sentence is pretty confusing but if i understood right you're stating that Marinford was full of Nakama Power-ups. If that's so i really don't understand what you mean since Luffy's nakama weren't even there to begin with.

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                                                                                                      Voted 4 Bounty Hunters since they got no vote yet. What I dislike bout them? Their sore weakness.
                                                                                                      Couldn't vote for Emperors since they are so rad. 😉
                                                                                                      But seriously: the most disgusting group in OP are the CDs of course.

                                                                                                      I can understand why fans like the marines so much. Aside from all the corruption it is an organization that tries to bring order into that pirate Age of chaos (although MP trans says that marines spread chaos XD). The uniforms and the clothing order as well as all the ranks Oda gave us bout them make fans happy.
                                                                                                      And some fans just like that the marines are an Opposition to the SHs. Sumtimes you just also cheer for the Antagonist if he is rad enough in your opinion. That's a psychological thing I guess.

                                                                                                      There are a lot of different opinions and views in this forum when it comes to One Piece.

                                                                                                      But can we all agree that Roger's ship, the Oro Jackson, had the best figurehead in the story so far?

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                                                                                                        I think you're confusing "Nakama Theme" with "Nakama Power-up". They're definitely not the same thing.
                                                                                                        Your last sentence is pretty confusing but if i understood right you're stating that Marinford was full of Nakama Power-ups. If that's so i really don't understand what you mean since Luffy's nakama weren't even there to begin with.

                                                                                                        If you would count Ace as "Nakama" then it makes sense its the same type of scebario just without someone in his immediate crew.

                                                                                                        The Nakama theme wears out and i hope it isnt all Luffys mindset. Havent you noticed that with Hody and and Ceaser the themese were !your crew will die".. "i wont let you"
                                                                                                        Doflamingo is the only to not have instigated one of those scenes yet. I dont watch fairy tail. I might be mixing up power ups with theme. Whatever it may be I just dont want it to be the ddeciding ffactor in a battle

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