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    • Sakonosolo
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      http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-12-hideo-kojima-and-guillermo-del-toro-are-making-silent-hills

      So that myserious PT demo that hit the PS4 store turned out to be a marketing thing for a new Silent Hill game. Confirmed involved are Hideo Kojima, Guillermo Del Toro, and Norman Reedus, from Boondock Saints and the Walking dead, who will be playing the main character. There's not too much more info besides that, including whether it's PS4 exclusive or not and why it's called Silent Hills. And the PT demo doesn't share too much with what the final game will be. Like the final game isn't going to be first person.

      Pretty cool marketing.

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        Pretty cool marketing.

        Yep. Haven't played the demo yet, but has it been confirmed the final game won't be in first-person?

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          At the end it says "This game is a teaser. It has no direct relation to the main title". It's not outright said but given that disclaimer and that Silent Hill is a third person franchise (and that you see the character at the end) it's like 99% likely.

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            Ah. Okay then. I still need to get around to actually playing the Silent Hill series at some point, but what I've seen has always been good, and I've always enjoyed Kojima's games from a gameplay stance.

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              That thing is going to be a Silent Hill game? Why? From what I hear the game is terrifying… but not in the type of horror that the Silent Hill games were.

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                It's just a marketing stunt. The final game likely won't be all that similar to the teaser.

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                  Not going to lie. I peed a little, and teared up a bit, at this news. Silent Hill is my favorite horror franchise, and, I would like to see it restored to its former glory. It's the horror series that has pretty much made me immune to the rest of the horror genre when it comes to scares.

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                    @The:

                    Not going to lie. I peed a little, and teared up a bit, at this news. Silent Hill is my favorite horror franchise, and, I would like to see it restored to its former glory. It's the horror series that has pretty much made me immune to the rest of the horror genre when it comes to scares.

                    The Silent Hill games don't really have scares. They're scary due to their atmosphere and the creepy shit you run into. This P.T thing tho was just outright generic horror (tho still horrifying despite it), first-person jumpscare haunted house.

                    I really hope Silent Hills doesn't go that route and instead follows the same style of SH1-3. They're saying this game has absolutely nothing to do with Silent Hills it was just something they put together as a marketing stunt but… why would you make it like this when the actual game that's being teased won't be? If Silent Hills will actually be the type of horror that is present in P.T then I won't be able to play it as I won't be able to handle it. 3spooky5me

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                      Well… It is said to be a reboot of the series, so... I wouldn't expect it to be 100% identical to the older games. Though, I'm pretty sure the teaser is just that, a teaser, also, a marketing stunt to reveal the actual game. The teaser DOES use a lot of sounds from older Silent Hill games throughout it, so, Kojima basically threw that stuff everywhere to see if people could figure it out before getting to the reveal screen.

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                        Goodnight, everyone~

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                          Goodnight, everyone~

                          Poor thing needed to go to the bathroom really badly.

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                            Why are women more spooky (so spooky) compared to men? lol

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                              What the hell is wrong with Kojima and stupid plurals. "Ground Zeroes" "Silent Hills."

                              Learn Englishes

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                                What the hell is wrong with Kojima and stupid plurals. "Ground Zeroes" "Silent Hills."

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                                Because hills is definitely not an actual word, no sir.

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                                  I said stupid plurals, not plurals that don't form real words.

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                                    @Foolio:

                                    I said stupid plurals, not plurals that don't form real words.

                                    Wow… for some reason I actually missed you saying that. My bad.

                                    But I feel like it might have a plot reason for being plural. Maybe there will be more than one Silent Hill in the game? Multiple playable characters going through multiple versions of the town? Yes please.

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                                      Here's some consolation, Buuhan.

                                      www.computerandvideogames.com/474266/silent-hills-will-make-you-shit-your-pants-says-kojima/

                                      "The one thing that I can say about Silent Hills, and this is something I've been discussing with Guillermo del Toro as well, is that originally we were thinking of making a game that would make you pee your pants, but at this point we've changed our minds, and now we're aiming for a game that will make you shit your pants," Kojima bluntly declared during the live broadcasted Konami event.

                                      "One thing that you have to keep in mind is that, if a game is too scary, people just won't play it. In movies or attractions … if it gets too scary you just keep your eyes shut and soon it will be over. But if it's a game, people will just stop. So that's why there's a limit on how scary you can make a game.

                                      "But in this case we're totally ignoring that and, you know what? If you don't want to keep on playing through the game, so be it. We don't care. That's the game we are aiming for, we're aiming for a game that will make you shit your pants. So, players, make sure you have a change [of clothes]," said Kojima.

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                                        So basically, from what I got out of that article, they are trying to sell this new and improved "SILENT HILLZ" to the Outlast demographics rather than the old school Silent Hill demographics.

                                        Not that I mind, but still…why bother calling it Silent Hill? Just make a new freaking IP like "Evil Within". If Akira Yamaoka is not associated with this, I don't even know why they should bother continuing this franchise.

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                                          At least they are trying.
                                          In best case this will be new SH2.
                                          In worst case at least it will be new Shattered Memories.

                                          There will never be SH game as good as the Room again, but there won't be one as bad as Homecoming again for sure.

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                                            I'm not understanding the problem with the game being made to make you shit your pants. How is that different from Silent Hill? It depends on how they do it.

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                                              @Sakonosolo:

                                              I'm not understanding the problem with the game being made to make you shit your pants. How is that different from Silent Hill? It depends on how they do it.

                                              Because it was never about cheap scary moments, screamers etc. SH is not supposed to make you shit you pants. It's supposed to make you calmly turn the game off, curl under blanket and have nice little existential crisis.

                                              Still hyped though.

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                                                Making you shit your pants doesn't necessarily mean cheap scary moments and screamers.

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                                                  Err yeah it does? Unless they mean "shitting your pants" as in "blowing your mind (I guess?)" which Silent Hill is more known for. And by how Kojima worded it, I'm going to say he's going for more "cheap scary moments/screamers" rather than it being profoundly disturbing.

                                                  I mean I'm totally up for a horror by Kojima/Del Toro which sounds completely awesome but…no it's not going to be Silent Hill. They have to work miracles to get it to resemble anything LIKE the old school Silent Hill without Akira Yamaoka. And by the sound of Kojima's rhetoric, he sounds like he's missing the point of Silent Hill (NOT that there weren't any pants shitting moments, but...yeah that wasn't what Akira was going for in his games). For example, whenever Akira was interviewed, he often focused on what he intended to make "unsettling" from something that is fairly normal. But I hardly ever recalled him going on about his game being "SHIT YOUR PANTS SCARY". If anything, if he succeeded at his task at making something profoundly disturbing, it will inevitably be inherently "scary" regardless.

                                                  THEN AGAIN, maybe Kojima isn't the best guy to interview for this game. I'm more curious what Del Toro has to say due his style of horror being MUCH closer to that of Silent Hill.

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                                                    Wow… for some reason I actually missed you saying that. My bad.

                                                    But I feel like it might have a plot reason for being plural. Maybe there will be more than one Silent Hill in the game? Multiple playable characters going through multiple versions of the town? Yes please.

                                                    Hopefully. If it even sticks to the same style, which based on the discussion is unlikely…

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                                                      Welp, that just killed most of my interest in this game. Silent Hill was never about making you shit your pants. If they're doing this it may be a good horror game, but it'll be an even worse Silent Hill game than Homecoming… because it won't fucking be a Silent Hill game. This style of play is the CoD of horror games.

                                                      Oh well, least we got The Evil Within... hopefully it turns out good.

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                                                        Isn't Evil Within an action game with slight horror influence? I still think you should wait until the actual game is shown rather than going off a marketing teaser.

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                                                          Nothing can be worse than Homecoming. Unless you try to make game worse on purpose, but even then it will still be better than Homecoming.

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                                                            Nothing can be worse than Homecoming.

                                                            Downpour was better than Homecoming?

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                                                            I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                                              Nothing can be worse than Homecoming. Unless you try to make game worse on purpose, but even then it will still be better than Homecoming.

                                                              My argument is Homecoming is way more a Silent Hill game than what the statements from Kojima is stating this will ever be.
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                                                              Downpour was better than Homecoming?

                                                              Downpour was pretty good, so yes, it trumps Homecoming. The biggest flaws with Downpour was no Yamaoka and terrible enemy design.

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                                                                My argument is Homecoming is way more a Silent Hill game than what the statements from Kojima is stating this will ever be.

                                                                Downpour was pretty good, so yes, it trumps Homecoming. The biggest flaws with Downpour was no Yamaoka and terrible enemy design.

                                                                At least it has the chance to be a good game regardless. Homecoming is godawful game and horrible SH.

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                                                                Downpour was better than Homecoming?

                                                                By miles. It wasn't stellar, but for SH made by western studio it was surprisingly decent.

                                                                The Room = SH2 > SH1 >> SH3 = Shattered Memories > Downpour >> Origins >>>>>>>>>>>>> Homecoming

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                                                                  You put 4 above all of them? Interesting, hadn't heard that before. Usually everyone goes 2.

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                                                                    2 is very good, but I enjoy The Room plot, characters, atmosphere and "setting" a lot more. Even if it's connection to the previous parts is stretchy.

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                                                                      I haven't played the games myself, just watched them all extensively over the years (gonna finally play them myself soon as I've forgotten most of the games except for major plot points of course). I think Silent Hill 3 seemed the best honestly.

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                                                                        Oh man I would love to play the good silent hill games, even though for the first three I kinda already know the big story points, but I just can't bring myself to play such horror games. Movies no matter how frightening or games like Resident Evil 4 or Dead Space, wich have more action elements, I'm okay with, because you don't controll the character yourself, but playing games like silent hill, amnesia, outlast no way.^^

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                                                                          I'm glad they're trying for something new.

                                                                          Not just another bland game. Or spinoff. Last I checked, they attempted to turn the franchise into something like Diablo.

                                                                          I ACTUALLY downloaded the teaser and was pretty impressed by it. It immersed me. It frightened me.

                                                                          I didn't exactly shit my pants… maybe that will come later, haha. Oh Kojima.

                                                                          The hook of the repeating hallway may sound cliche, but it was pretty effective for the escalation of the situation. Also great for something as bite sized as this. It has it's own self contained narrative.

                                                                          A repeating location that becomes familiar, but slightly different with each lap. A picture is gone one time, a light is out, or later red. The radio is playing, then it isn't. Then it seems like it's directly talking to the player.

                                                                          Oh look... a fridge hanging from the ceiling and violently shaking... with blood dripping from a corner, bathed in red lights. Nothing Silent Hill about that.. no sir.

                                                                          The ghost that jumpscares you is effective at raising the tension. I don't feel that the jumpscares were cheap. The narrative gives enough reason for her to be there. The only scare that felt "cheap" was when she appears behind you and "kills you", and you're sent to the beginning room. The only reason this was cheap to me is that it's not in game. It starts up via cutscene and there's a noticeable "skip to video" when it happens. It wasn't disguised well enough.

                                                                          But when you first turn the corner and just see her standing there, not moving... that was scary. When I just randomly decided to turn around on one of my laps and see her faintly standing at the end of the hallway, vibrating. That was scary. I could have easily missed it had I decided to keep going forward.

                                                                          And once she makes her presence known.. it provides the tension of "how far is this going to go?" You've been through this hallway about 4 times now and know what's around the corner, but you're afraid it might not be.

                                                                          The narrative of the family killing father, is very much like the series proper.

                                                                          And when you finally turn that corner... and it's completely different, the rug gets pulled from under you. Oh, the pictures are vibrating... nice...

                                                                          And then when it finally hits it's climax, you're back in the normal version of the hallway... bathed in normal tungsten lighting... except one thing the message that you had to create on the wall is still there:

                                                                          "I can hear them calling me from hell"

                                                                          And you can't leave...

                                                                          ... then your vision starts getting messed up and you fear the worst, you expect a final jumpscare.

                                                                          And then the screen fucks up, you see a bunch of code... and you're back at the beginning.

                                                                          CoD indeed. I'm sure the dudebros were scared out of their tap out shirts. But they went on a beer run and everything was better.

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                                                                            By "CoD of horror" I meant the type of style popularized by Amnesia, you know… the style that practically every horror game follows now including P.T. It's no less horrifying, it just isn't Silent Hill.

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                                                                              Amnesia had very little jump scares though which seemed to be the point you were trying to make when talking about SHs, that it's going to be a bunch of jump scares.

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                                                                                Silent Hills. Hmm…

                                                                                I'm guessing this means more than one playable protagonist. Allowing us to play in multiple versions of the "Otherworld".

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                                                                                  Last I checked, they attempted to turn the franchise into something like Diablo.

                                                                                  Book of Memories….how low this series has fallen.

                                                                                  But with a crazy fool like Kojima and the design mastery of Guillermo del Toro working together for this game....yeah, this sounds good.

                                                                                  I played through this teaser and I was numb with dread during most of it. Starts you off in a dark, interrogation-like room that leads to a well-lit, if somewhat dilapidated, hallway. Locked door, swinging light. Picture of a woman torn out by the clock, one minute til midnight in military time. There's an announcer on the radio, chronicling a series of murders, none of which seem related outside of the fact that the killers were all fathers who murdered their families in terrible ways.

                                                                                  You go through the door at the end of the hall...and you're back in the same hallway, but now things are just a little bit different. It's getting darker. You hear noises. The door at the end of the hallway is closed. You walk up to it, confused...and the locked bathroom door swings open. You investigate and the door locks behind you. There's a deformed fetus in the sink, pulsating. The door starts shaking, like someone is trying the handle. There are sounds, the fetus crying and something else. After a while, the door unlocks and you can progress down the hallway again, and the door is open for you.

                                                                                  Next hallway. Things are darker. It's quiet. You turn the corner and you see this

                                                                                  standing there, motionless.

                                                                                  You stop. You feel yourself go cold. It doesn't move.

                                                                                  You slowly walk forward, and the light above it goes out, leaving that section of the hallway shrouded in shadow. But the door is open at the end, and you have to walk through it to proceed.

                                                                                  I love this shit.

                                                                                  The helplessness, the subtle decay, the heavy ball of fear sitting in my stomach, dreading to turn the corner or look back because you know you're going to see something unspeakable sooner or later…a swinging refrigerator dripping blood, a face in the crack of a door, something pale and twitching crawling out of the bathtub behind you. The sanity-stretching repetitiveness of the hallway. Moving pictures, organic sounds. Something bloody and moving in a paper bag. Scrawled messages on the wall, shrouded in red light.

                                                                                  This is horror ambience done right.

                                                                                  This is the sort of fear and dread a player should feel when playing a Silent Hill game.

                                                                                  I've been playing this series since SH1, over 15 years ago. It has been, and probably will continue to be, one of my most favorite horror series. But this series has fallen on some hard times over the years, and has churned out some seriously mediocre games. Team Silent is gone, doing different things. Akira Yamaoka is gone. The last couple of developers have only grabbed the skirt of what this series should be. So I'm glad we have a new team with some big names working on this, because it's become stagnant and needs something fresh to make it relevant again. And since this teaser is apparently more of a demonstration of the sort of atmosphere we can expect than actual gameplay, I'd say they know what they're doing when it comes to raising a chill.

                                                                                  I think this could be really promising. And if it turns out to be a dud...well, that's nothing new for this franchise. But by god, I am hopeful.

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                                                                                    I've always been a fan of the Silent Hill franchise. I'm looking forward to this one. I'm not going to compare it to the others, it looks like it's going to stand on its own . I will say that, I'm looking forward to what Mr. Del Toro brings to the table. He does good horror work that just might fit the franchise.

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                                                                                      I can tell you just from playing the demo, that, it has a more Silent Hill feel than Shattered Memories, Homecoming, Downpour, and even Silent Hill 4: The Room (to a lesser extent) combined. So…

                                                                                      Heck. You didn't even go into the Otherworld in the demo, and it still felt better than the games I listed.

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                                                                                        I just played the demo. I quit once the ghoul got me. I made such a horrible noise, oh my god. I don't think I've ever made that noise before.

                                                                                        Here's the thing: I had a grand total of 'one' jump scares in that entire playthrough. Maybe two, but if it WAS a jump scare, it was bullshit. The jumpscares weren't what scared me: It was the atmosphere. The set up of that hallway is perfect. There are corners that you can't see. There are moments when you get lost and have to turn around, and you just dread the mere IDEA of turning around. The entire game was set up as kind of a puzzle each time you went through the hall, and you had to get out of your comfort zone each time to continue.

                                                                                        Did it play exactly like previous Silent Hills?
                                                                                        a) No, but this is a demo of 'what to expect'. The final product may be very different from this demo.
                                                                                        b) It doesn't have to.

                                                                                        And yes, there are jump scares, but honestly?

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                                                                                        If by some miracle, the original Team Silent got back together. If every member of that team got back together, dead or alive, to make a new Silent Hill game? If Akira Yamaoka agreed to do the music for this same game and Elizabeth Mary McGlynn volunteered to sing again? If all the stars aligned to make a new Silent Hill game with the exact same minds that made SH1-4…

                                                                                        Nobody would like it anywhere near as much as SH1-4. Face it: Silent Hill already had their magnum opuses. We don't just consider them the best games of the franchise, but we consider them to be some of the best games of the horror genre.

                                                                                        Whenever I would stop for a minute and listen to the ambient noises happening in the Silent Hill 1 Hospital Basement. When I found out that there was more than one Pyramid Head. Whenever Valtiel would hang around and play with corpses. When you looked through The Room's peephole and found someone staring back. Those moments made me crap my pants.

                                                                                        Have faith. The Silent Hill fanbase is enough of a whirling cesspool of negativity, already.

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                                                                                          Honestly, I really don't know why anyone would want to set themselves up for some really high standards (probably impossibly high at this point due to how harsh the Silent Hill fanbase is…you know "the profound philosophical horror snob demographic". If it doesn't resemble anything like SH 1-3, they'll bash it to bits and call it a day. So...why in the world are they bothering rebooting this thing? Both Kojima and Del Toro are highly qualified in making a great horror game, but they're setting themselves up for some pretty harsh bashing by the Silent Hill fanbase in the coming future. What's wrong with making a new IP? Kojima and Del Toro are huge enough names that they don't need that franchise name boost. So what's the point of this? Just make a goddamn new IP.

                                                                                          Remember, the Silent Hill demographic are the same people that bashed the Silent Hill movie in spite it being possibly the closest (live action) video game adaptation on screen to be released so far.

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                                                                                            @valiantt:

                                                                                            bashed the Silent Hill movie in spite it being possibly the closest (live action) video game adaptation on screen to be released so far.

                                                                                            Ok, I'll bite. Closest to what?
                                                                                            You can't possibly mean SH1, right?
                                                                                            I like the movie, but…that is one questionable statement.

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                                                                                              Ok, I'll bite. Closest to what?
                                                                                              You can't possibly mean SH1, right?
                                                                                              I like the movie, but…that is one questionable statement.

                                                                                              Closet to what Silent Hill generally represents in terms of horror and atmosphere.

                                                                                              Adaptation == Exactly like the source

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                                                                                                Closet to what Silent Hill generally represents in terms of horror and atmosphere.

                                                                                                Adaptation == Exactly like the source

                                                                                                …No, it represents a battle between gas-mask hobos and deranged half-burnt witch with actual confirmed magic powers.
                                                                                                It's nowhere near what SH generally represents, just a good fanservice movie with throwbacks and locations.

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                                                                                                  …No, it represents a battle between gas-mask hobos and deranged half-burnt witch with actual confirmed magic powers.
                                                                                                  It's nowhere near what SH generally represents, just a good fanservice movie with throwbacks and locations.

                                                                                                  "Closest to what Silent Hill generally represents in horror and atmosphere."

                                                                                                  I didn't say "closest to what Silent Hill's story is". The only thing in the story that ruins the atmosphere was the church full of people.

                                                                                                  I'm not saying Silent Hill was an amazing movie, but it's no where near the cancer everyone makes it out to be.

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                                                                                                    As I said it was a fine movie (which sadly gave birth to abberation that is Homecoming), but it has barely anything to do with SH.
                                                                                                    And all those additions make it different thing in terms of horror and atmosphere as well. Not entirely but considerably different.

                                                                                                    It's like one will argue that Doom is close adaptation because "hey, it's dark, on Mars and there are people shooting at monsters! Atmosphere is saved!"

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                                                                                                      As I said it was a fine movie (which sadly gave birth to abberation that is Homecoming), but it has barely anything to do with SH.
                                                                                                      And all those additions make it different thing in terms of horror and atmosphere as well. Not entirely but considerably different.

                                                                                                      It's like one will argue that Doom is close adaptation because "hey, it's dark, on Mars and there are people shooting at monsters! Atmosphere is saved!"

                                                                                                      The argument being made is that Silent Hill was the closet a live action video game movie has ever been to the source material, and that still reigns true, whether people feel it's a close adaptation or not. The only video game movie that comes close otherwise is Mortal Kombat, and as the resident Mortal Kombat lore nerd, I can tell you that MK lore between game and movie is pretty close to that of Silent Hill's difference.

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                                                                                                        Silent Hill is the greatest video game movie ever made and it represents the series perfectly. I don't see how anyone can argue that, people argue "This isn't the story! Why is Pyramid Head there?! This is bullshit!" for years but that's not the point. It is an original movie based on the Silent Hill series taking elements from the games, and it does it well.

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