Notions That Don't Deserve Their Own Threads

andre

Personally I always hated the whole Zoro tells Luffy how to treat his crew and forces him to ask an apology from Usopp. And I find it very bs that Zror is preaching about the respect for hierarchy by deciding for Luffy how he should act. He doesnt just suggest. He takes a stand where either Luffy does what he wants or he walks.

And to me there's nothing satisfying or genuine about the apology if it has to be forced out from fear of abandonment.

I also felt Luffy handled giving the news to Usopp like shit considering he himself got into a fight with the ship repairman when he heard the news. so the whole Usopp needs to come back begging never felt right to me. It was an injection of respect of chain of command of a group of friends I didnt need and straight up hated.

Zoro is the character that allows One Piece to remain a pirate story. His enforcement of respect among the crew is the link between Lucky Roux shooting a man in the head and The Straw Hats. I get not liking it, but I think it's consistent with the pirate crew we've been following since chapter 1.

electricmastro

@Cockycent:

That is the pith of it all and a more simpler way to digest it. They are friends and because Usopp saw himself in Merry (lacking in a sense for the journey), he felt he was being slighted as well. His decision was to take it to an extreme and put that friendship in jeopardy.

If your friend took it that far, then decided to come back to you, would you be as open and accepting as Luffy was prepared to be? That was Zoro's point. Putting the friendship on the line shouldn't be taken lightly if he's going to return. Usopp should be considerate and reflect on what he did. When he returns, he should be able to easily show that he's sorry if he really did reflect on what he did. What Luffy was willing to accept was worthy of solicitude in this instance.

All the things he did to help the crew and Robin do not negate that he was willing to end the friendship like that. Luffy didn't create that wager. It was Usopp.

A relationship is 50/50. If you're letting someone that doesn't care for you as much as you care for them, walk all over you, then it's not a friendship. Giving your energy to someone that doesn't return the same is unhealthy. Can't afford to do that on such a turbulent sea.

Yeah, as much as I would have personally let Luffy go to Usopp with the understanding that their conversation might have played out in their own way, without Luffy letting Usopp turn into some heartless monster who’d threaten the crew’s safety and lead to it falling apart, I’m still glad Usopp ended up not letting his insecurities conflict himself anymore, especially in light of how he previously missed the chance to open up his heart after Nami opened up hers just before getting to Alabasta.

gyuukarubi

Speaking of Usopp, does anyone else think that there’s a decent chance that he and Nami are the ones to take out Big Mom?

When you think about it, they’re both one-shotters. A well-timed tabasco star and some weather manipulation could be the key.

Coookie

@gyuukarubi:

Speaking of Usopp, does anyone else think that there’s a decent chance that he and Nami are the ones to take out Big Mom?

When you think about it, they’re both one-shotters. A well-timed tabasco star and some weather manipulation could be the key.

Kaidou tanks nine Akazaya, four Supernova and one stubborn kid that just unlocked advanced CoC and keeps getting up while Big Mom gets taken out by the two weakest Straw Hats and some hot sauce.

Chams

Big Mom probably eats Fire-Peppers or some crazy thing like that every weekend. She'll gulp Usopp's deadly star just out of gluttony.

gyuukarubi

I wonder if Big Mom is 猫舌?

Cockycent

It doesn't have to be said aloud to the readers, but I wonder when Luffy is going to say to the crew what he told Sabo and Ace.

Another thought. Would it be lame if there's a flashback showing that he did say it to the crew in the past, but it was off panel?

Zik

@Cockycent:

Another thought. Would it be lame if there's a flashback showing that he did say it to the crew in the past, but it was off panel?

Seems exactly like something Oda would off panel. Wouldn't be lame and I wouldnt be surprised if the entire crew currently already knows. Only thing about it is how many times he's have to say it again for every new crew member. I could easily see him telling the crew before they entered the grand line and maybe mentioning it again after Enies Lobby.

electricmastro

@Cockycent:

It doesn't have to be said aloud to the readers, but I wonder when Luffy is going to say to the crew what he told Sabo and Ace.

Another thought. Would it be lame if there's a flashback showing that he did say it to the crew in the past, but it was off panel?

They seem pretty laid back in talking about time skip events all things considered. Luffy apparently didn’t even know his dad rescued Robin from slavery and looked after her in training for two years until the end of Zou when Nami told him, despite the opportunity for him to have been told this earlier when Sabo and the other revolutionaries popped up at Dressrosa.

electricmastro

I wonder when the time will come that Emerald City appears in the storyline.

Cockycent

All these years and I can't remember 1 question about Vergo possibly being connected to the Germa clones. Either there's no connection at all or there is and they've thrown away every question because people should be patient and it will be explained later.

Riccardo

I was rereading Punk Hazard and apparently Nami was already able to redirect lightning? I guess Zeus is just more firepower then.

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Cockycent

From what I saw, BM took a chunk of her soul from Zeus. As much as she was focused on spamming lightning, she has purely heat related attacks that could have possibly hurt Ulti.

The bubble devices being used less often than the weather eggs recently is another point of interest concerning variety. The eggs didn't exist before the timeskip and is obviously not from Usopp. She found a way to package them and that doesn't come off as the end of the story. The distinction between the bubbles that grew in Weatheria, the ones that came from Usopp's initial invention, and the Weatheria eggs can be expounded on later.

To play devil's advocate, I would have to assume that Zeus applies the same effectiveness whether he has a low amount of BM's soul or his normal amount. He was on the prowl and was humbled when she took the soul, which made him easier to consume for Hera. That defeats the stance that Zeus that was w/ Nami for the attack on BM in WCI arc and against Orochi is just as effective as current Zeus-tact.

In conclusion, Zeus is more about adding variety to what Nami already has than just a boost in strength. It speaks to them being a unit going forward. I can see Zeus being taken aback in the future by how Nami uses the other devices in the weapon. This recent Ulti defeat was more about Zeus proving he won't let Nami down and that is influenced by how he was treated when he let BM and his siblings down. Nami has already shown that she won't fully turn on Zeus if he does come up short.

Kinda off topic…

Sanji declaring himself as priority protection no matter what Nami develops or receives to hold her own is kept consistent by Oda.

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electricmastro

Rather interesting to see people get frustrated over the “hope overcoming the odds” fates of Pell and Pagaya, even though their fates don’t disrupt the story (whereas Ace and Whitebeard being alive would disrupt it) and that the series plays with dramatic over the top shonen cliffhangers in the first place. This is the same series that had things like Luffy survive getting stabbed by Crocodile and Law getting shot at by Doflamingo for dramatic shonen effect. If people can’t accept this by now, and continue to use up energy in setting themselves up for frustration and cynicism, then I don’t know what else to tell ya buddy. lol

Cockycent

BM's kid looks like Madara and I love him for that.

freawaru

Hancock's Celestial Dragon hoof issue is really dumb now that think about it for more than 10 seconds. Several characters in this story have tattooed (Nami) and branded (fishmen) over unpleasant marks on their bodies. Like if it was just Hancock by herself, I'd sort of understand. Tattooing your own back is pretty impossible and she would never bring in another party to help her. You could probably brand yourself if you propped the iron up against something though it'd be awkward to handle. But Hancock has 2 other sisters in the exact same predicament in her. There is absolutely zero reason why they couldn't have helped each other cover up the mark permanently in the ~20 years they've been free.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

Zik

@electricmastro:

Rather interesting to see people get frustrated over the “hope overcoming the odds” fates of Pell and Pagaya, even though their fates don’t disrupt the story (whereas Ace and Whitebeard being alive would disrupt it) and that the series plays with dramatic over the top shonen cliffhangers in the first place. This is the same series that had things like Luffy survive getting stabbed by Crocodile and Law getting shot at by Doflamingo for dramatic shonen effect. If people can’t accept this by now, and continue to use up energy in setting themselves up for frustration and cynicism, then I don’t know what else to tell ya buddy. lol

Completely 100% agree.

@freawaru:

Hancock's Celestial Dragon hoof issue is really dumb now that think about it for more than 10 seconds. Several characters in this story have tattooed (Nami) and branded (fishmen) over unpleasant marks on their bodies. Like if it was just Hancock by herself, I'd sort of understand. Tattooing your own back is pretty impossible and she would never bring in another party to help her. You could probably brand yourself if you propped the iron up against something though it'd be awkward to handle. But Hancock has 2 other sisters in the exact same predicament in her. There is absolutely zero reason why they couldn't have helped each other cover up the mark permanently in the ~20 years they've been free.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

Yeah, agree. Especially after Hancock saw Fisher Tiger turn that brand in to the Sun pirates jollyroger.

Johnny B. Decent

Maybe none of the sisters can brand or tattoo the others due to long-term psychological damage?

Zik

@Johnny:

Maybe none of the sisters can brand or tattoo the others due to long-term psychological damage?

Then have Granny Nyon do it. She already knows and has no trauma connected to the symbol.

Cockycent

Oda doesn't have to, but since Kaido's flashback might be coming up and Higurashi might be part of it, maybe he can show the moment Higurashi touched Momo. Bon Clay said he had to touch those he copied. Unless Higurashi doesn't have that limitation, it would be interesting to squeeze in Higurashi touching Momo and Shiki.

electricmastro

@Cockycent:

Oda doesn't have to, but since Kaido's flashback might be coming up and Higurashi might be part of it, maybe he can show the moment Higurashi touched Momo. Bon Clay said he had to touch those he copied. Unless Higurashi doesn't have that limitation, it would be interesting to squeeze in Higurashi touching Momo and Shiki.

Shiki being near someone who was from Wano implies that he may or may not have had connections with Wano itself too.

Johnny B. Decent

@Zik:

Then have Granny Nyon do it. She already knows and has no trauma connected tomthe symbol.

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Shit. So much for that. XD

desa

I feel Robin should have the second highest bounty of the crew. I understand why they never bother with a giant one when she was a kid and was an easy target. So her relative capturability balanced her knowledge. But now that her new protector Luffy has become a legit powerhouse(and trash a goverment base to take her back) her price should skyrocket to make her a priority target even among his crew. She's no longer just a vague threat living in the shadows with limited ressources. Strawhat can recruit another strong guy if you kill Zoro but killing his roadmap to the secret of the world that's top priority.

electricmastro

@desa:

I feel Robin should have the second highest bounty of the crew. I understand why they never bother with a giant one when she was a kid and was an easy target. So her relative capturability balanced her knowledge. But now that her new protector Luffy has become a legit powerhouse(and trash a goverment base to take her back) her price should skyrocket to make her a priority target even among his crew. She's no longer just a vague threat living in the shadows with limited ressources. Strawhat can recruit another strong guy if you kill Zoro but killing his roadmap to the secret of the world that's top priority.

Her bounty only increased by 1 million by the time of Enies Lobby strangely, even though she had been with Baroque Works and such by that time.

black-leg jex

I just had a random thought but what if the medicine from Zou that was introduced in the latest chapter is made of the same stuff as the Energy Steroid from Fishman Island and that super drug from Alabasta? Like there's a herb out there that has super healing/strengthening powers and finding that could be key to Chopper's dream of the perfect medicine.

Zik

@desa:

I feel Robin should have the second highest bounty of the crew. I understand why they never bother with a giant one when she was a kid and was an easy target. So her relative capturability balanced her knowledge. But now that her new protector Luffy has become a legit powerhouse(and trash a goverment base to take her back) her price should skyrocket to make her a priority target even among his crew. She's no longer just a vague threat living in the shadows with limited ressources. Strawhat can recruit another strong guy if you kill Zoro but killing his roadmap to the secret of the world that's top priority.

I agree. Robin's bounty only being raised by 1 million after Enies Lobby was ridiculous. I knew then Oda wasn't really going by threat level for the crew and wanted Zoro's and Luffy's bounties to remain the highest for a while. Cuz otherwise doesn't make much sense that the entire crew got big bounties after that, Luffy's was raised by 200 mil and Zoro's was doubled. If you double Robin's she's only behind Zoro by a bit.

electricmastro

@Zik:

I agree. Robin's bounty only being raised by 1 million after Enies Lobby was ridiculous. I knew then Oda wasn't really going by threat level for the crew and wanted Zoro's and Luffy's bounties to remain the highest for a while. Cuz otherwise doesn't make much sense that the entire crew got big bounties after that, Luffy's was raised by 200 mil and Zoro's was doubled. If you double Robin's she's only behind Zoro by a bit.

I’m also surprised that his bounty isn’t over 100 million by now, despite any suspicion that he memorized Pluton’s blueprints, accessed Vegapunk’s technology, and managed to be destructive enough to destroy an entire factory.

Cockycent

@electricmastro:

I’m also surprised that his bounty isn’t over 100 million by now, despite any suspicion that he memorized Pluton’s blueprints, accessed Vegapunk’s technology, and managed to be destructive enough to destroy an entire factory.

The WG didn't acknowledge it was Franky that was behind the Nightmare of Baldimore.

Edit: While they haven't fully acknowledged Franky, they did suspect that it was him, but thought it could have easily just been a gorilla due to witness statements and the difficulty of reaching the location in time and transit (596).

Zik

@electricmastro:

I’m also surprised that his bounty isn’t over 100 million by now, despite any suspicion that he memorized Pluton’s blueprints, accessed Vegapunk’s technology, and managed to be destructive enough to destroy an entire factory.

Actually you're right about the Pluton blueprints. That should've got him a much bigger initial bounty like Robin as a child. Plus he's a cyborg, Oda could've easily went with he memorized the blueprints after looking at them once.

electricmastro

@Zik:

Actually you're right about the Pluton blueprints. That should've got him a much bigger initial bounty like Robin as a child. Plus he's a cyborg, Oda could've easily went with he memorized the blueprints after looking at them once.

Yeah, Robin was given a 79 million bounty at age 8 despite it not being confirmed to them at that time that she specifically wanted to find out what the Void Century was. Franky hiding the blueprints for as long as he did only to then burn them after some years could have raised suspicions that he copied them, memorized them, or had built the weapon in that time, but I suppose even that wasn't enough to give him more than a 100 million bounty.

FolhaS

@electricmastro:

Her bounty only increased by 1 million by the time of Enies Lobby strangely, even though she had been with Baroque Works and such by that time.

That's because 79 million is a ridiculous bounty for a child, and they mainly did it to update her picture.

Think about it, Luffy basically conquered the East Blue (stopped only by Smoker) on his first voyage and got a 30 million bounty. Boa Hancock's first, and only, bounty for her first voyage as Amazon Emperess was also 80 million and they made her a Shichibukai.
Even after beating Crocodile he only got a 100 million on his head. They gave an almost super rookie bounty to a child, because she knew how to read… that's my favorite bounty in the series.
But anyway, imagining Robin spent a few years on the West Blue before moving on to Paradise while always laying low kept her bounty fronzen since she wasn't being a problem for the WG. If she had settled down she could probably live a chill life with no trouble. But then you have the Ennies Lobby incident and they update her picture just because now they're sure she's alive and kicking back, and her 80 millions are now and actual fair price for her head, since she's a competent adult.

In the New World she got a 50 million raise just by being around Luffy, for the first notorious thing they did after their comeback. (Fishman Island didn't report shit to the WG and Smoker once again took the credit for Punk Hazard). And you can see the WG going: Well, this crew is trouble but they're gonna mess with one of the emperors and get killed, right? Right? No need to worry that much.
But she's gonna get a big bump now, not only is she stronger and defeat one of the Tobbi Roppo, along with Brook, but now Luffy is actually an emperor activly trying to find One Piece and so her knowledge is gonna be more valuable than ever.

electricmastro

Interesting how Lindbergh, Pedro, and Pekoms were givens bounties over 300 million, even though they’re minks.

Kaido King of the Beasts

I'm beginning to think that the highest-graded Meito reach this rank moreso due to their wielders than their forgers, even without the Black Blade stuff. Would not be surprised if at least Wado Ichimonji and Enma become Supreme Grade by the end of the series.

FolhaS

Could be. How would that happen?

Do you see them now being the 13 top graded swords, which could be tied to Zoro's frequent bond with cursed blades, or Zoro breaking his opponent black blade whith his own, thus replacing the swords on the list?

Johnny B. Decent

@electricmastro:

Interesting how Lindbergh, Pedro, and Pekoms were givens bounties over 300 million, even though they’re minks.

Poor Bepo. He's definitely worth more then a measly 500 beli!

electricmastro

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electricmastro

Wow Kanjuro gone and Izo here, can the group be renamed the Wano Supernovas now?

Zik

Blackbeard's original "boat" that was just a bigger raft was so fucking ridiculous its hilarious.

I'm watching One Piece on Pluto tv and the Skypiea arc is about to start. His ship gets destroyed trying to follow/catch Luffy. Its a wonder how he was able to sail around Paradise let alone the New World.

electricmastro

@Zik:

Blackbeard's original "boat" that was just a bigger raft was so fucking ridiculous its hilarious.

I'm watching One Piece on Pluto tv and the Skypiea arc is about to start. His ship gets destroyed trying to follow/catch Luffy. Its a wonder how he was able to sail around Paradise let alone the New World.

And not like the boats Luffy used at the start of East Blue either. lol

Cockycent

The pot of oil punishment that Wano uses reminds me of the lake of blood from Impel Down. I need to reread that arc. It's the one I go back to the least.

FolhaS

It could just be a popular torture method or maybe Kaidou did sometime in Impel Down.
We know he didn't break out if it but he has been arrested and executed before, so he could have been in ID then taken somewhere else, then breakout.

electricmastro

Just realized that not only does Luffy have some kingdoms on his side, but has also most likely made many kingdoms his enemy because he took out Doflamingo, who was underworld dealing so many weapons to the point that many kingdoms depended on him to win their battles and now are less likely to do so because their major source for weapons is gone. Doflamingo was probably the biggest reason the Warlord system was around for as long as it was and his removal pretty much killed any justification to keep it around because of no weapon support.

Nouryoku

The Straw Hats never visited an autumn island, unless you count Zoro in the region of Hakumai in Wano.

Winter Island: Drum
Spring Island: Jaya, Dressrosa
Summer Island: Alabasa

Zik

Elbaf gonna be an autumn island.

Nouryoku

It would be cool.

Actually, not only the crew never visited an autumn island, there's no appearance of a confirmed autumn island in the series yet https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Island_Climatic_Types

sggupta

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electricmastro

Rather disturbing if it turns out that Streusen is Perospero’s father.

Piitan

Elbaf with the giant trees as an autumn island would be pure visual porn: imagine how big and orange the leaves would be.

Riccardo

@Nouryoku:

The Straw Hats never visited an autumn island, unless you count Zoro in the region of Hakumai in Wano.

Winter Island: Drum
Spring Island: Jaya, Dressrosa
Summer Island: Alabasa

I think you're right. The other islands they visited (like Cactus Island or Little Garden) don't look like Autumn islands. Maybe Mihawks island? Which was again only visited by Zoro btw.

Zar

If it was stationary rather than a ship I'd count Thriller Bark as an Autumn Island, but alas.