Luffy's always wanted to be Pirate King, but now that other pirate captains are starting to look up to him like one, what will he do with all these captains? There's no escaping that people like Don Chinjao have expressed interest in putting people under Luffy's command, and that's only going to continue to bloom, both at the end of this arc and in the arcs to come.
On one hand, Luffy didn't want anyone's help in taking down Doflamingo, so having captains sail under him could be unwanted as well. On the other, at his heart, Luffy doesn't want shit like what's happening to Dressrosa happening to other places (else he wouldn't be stopping it here), and he can't be everywhere at once, so if he's really thinking (or possibly takes the advice of one who is), having pirate captains sail under him is simply the smart thing to do. Then again, that could be a lot to keep up with for an easily-bored person like Luffy.
What does it mean to be pirate king? What does it mean to be a pirate? Pirates generally do some nasty things, but Luffy could change what a pirate can be (aside from someone like Shanks who inspired him to begin with). Will he let his actions do the talking, and simply inspire others to be like him? Will he flat out reject these people, possibly deflating what's building up under him? Does Luffy just want pirates "to be free– but not free enough to be total assholes to everyone"? Where do you think Oda is going with this?
What will Luffy do with the captains on his side?
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Well you reminded me of that one time Roger's lone ship was facing Shiki's fleet and won. If Luffy is going to be following his footsteps like that he'll probably not care nor need a fleet.
If you recall Luffy's conversation with Rayleigh he answered that already, he considers the title to be the guy with the most freedom on the sea and shows no interest in beating other pirates to the title, they just happen to be in his way. Luffy is most likely the kind of guy who would never command an organisation where he didn't know every suboridinate personally, nor does he have any ability to run a fleet in the first place. At best he'd have allies that he asks for help or helps at times, like his current alliance with Law, and in other cases friendship with some other pirates (Shanks, Buggy, Loda, Whitebeard, Duval?, etc). But him leading a proper fleet like Whitebeard or Shiki did? Nah, not suited for it.
Even if some management type players (Nami, Robin) ran it that'd shift it from being an adventure story with Luffy and his crew to an army conquest type, because you need to give screentime to his minions, and the focus would shift from individuals to crew combat.
They'll probably remain as allies he calls upon for help a la Fish Riders, if they get any more screentime at all.
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Ah, but lest we forget… the world's a pretty big place, and there are a lot of pirates afoot that could cause trouble-- 4 of them emperors, even, with fleets of their own, which can be in a lot of places at once. The Marines kinda suck, too.
That's why Fishman Island was under Big Mom's protection, but may be under Luffy's flag eventually.
If it were attacked again-- or any place Luffy cares about, or would have any reason to care about-- Luffy on his little ship can't just pop back there. In this New World, or even the old one, there are too many dangers in too many places.
On the other hand, Luffy may see his responsibility to places he's already been as "I saved you once, the rest is up to you". I've bypassed the idea that since this is fantasy, Luffy saving them once could mean Oda's "happily ever after" for them, in favor of a more realistic view of a dangerous world (even one where 2 years have gone by for most places he's visited so far). It's possible Oda's got that more cheery outlook in mind, and wants to ignore all this, but that would conflict with how countries have been picking yonkous and use their flag for protection. -
Luffy is just going to do his own thing and others will follow, because that's what it means to be the king. He won't just go and seek out people to help him take down Blackbeard or even WG.
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He's gonna throw a party.
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Ah, but lest we forget… the world's a pretty big place, and there are a lot of pirates afoot that could cause trouble-- 4 of them emperors, even, with fleets of their own, which can be in a lot of places at once. The Marines kinda suck, too.
That's why Fishman Island was under Big Mom's protection, but may be under Luffy's flag eventually.
If it were attacked again-- or any place Luffy cares about, or would have any reason to care about-- Luffy on his little ship can't just pop back there. In this New World, or even the old one, there are too many dangers in too many places.
On the other hand, Luffy may see his responsibility to places he's already been as "I saved you once, the rest is up to you". I've bypassed the idea that since this is fantasy, Luffy saving them once could mean Oda's "happily ever after" for them, in favor of a more realistic view of a dangerous world (even one where 2 years have gone by for most places he's visited so far). It's possible Oda's got that more cheery outlook in mind, and wants to ignore all this, but that would conflict with how countries have been picking yonkous and use their flag for protection.Doesn't that ignore FI's prophecy of eventual doom, though?
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If Fishman Island being doomed is still a thing (and even that's debatable), it's always possible Big Mom opening the exploding treasure and destroying Fishman Island in retaliation could be how Luffy "causes" its destruction (he offered to give her the treasure)… of course, it would help prevent that if he had pirate captains everywhere... and it could be that destruction, and him not being able to be there to stop it, is even a trigger for the decision to have pirate captains under him. That's all a lot of assumptions and usually even one is too many when it comes to Oda, though.
The idea, though, is about being able to protect places all over the world, not just Fishman Island. -
Luffy ain't gonna waste his time lecturing followers.
My best guess would be the Straw Hats having followers and characters like Usopp, Nami, etc. leading them.
The allies will be inspired by Luffy, but he himself will hardly have any say in such matters. -
Suddenly reminded of Griffith's line in Berserk: "Even a king can't live exactly as he pleases," making me wonder if Luffy will end up opting to simply be a pirate, rather than King of the Pirates.
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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One thing that could happen is a clue given when Zoro, I believe, says he would remember navy commander Sai because "who knows what'll happen"… if everyone exchanges a way to contact each other at the end of this arc, there could be a loose contact system for them later. Or, if they go against a Yonkou who's got a zillion ships under their command... even as powerful as the Strawhats are, getting completely surrounded by huge ships with cannons vs their little Thousand Sunny could be trouble, because the strawhats can't be everywhere at once, even on their own ship, so it's possible going against someone like Blackbeard would benefit from a group attack. This may not be Luffy's "idea", per se, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen.
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@_Meh_:
Suddenly reminded of Griffith's line in Berserk: "Even a king can't live exactly as he pleases," making me wonder if Luffy will end up opting to simply be a pirate, rather than King of the Pirates.
If, according to Luffy, the pirate king is the one with the most freedom, then it would kind of defeat the point if the pirate king can't do what he please.
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I don't see Luffy putting other crews under his command. They simply be those crew that helps him when he need it. Like those allies that helped Whitebeard at the war.
As for islands I guess they will put Luffy's flag and he won't mind since it's no big deal.
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Well, Luffy might not mind that they fly his flag, per se but he has shown in the past that a pirate's flag is a symbol not to take lightly- anyone who flies the skull and crossbones must be willing to risk their own life to do so, per Luffy's words to Wapol at Drum Castle.
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Technically Usopp and Brook are captains.
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Another way to look at it is, what will happen to Bart once this is over? And a bit later, Law, and some others. To have no ties to Luffy once all is done would be sort of a step back.
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Luffy's always wanted to be Pirate King, but now that other pirate captains are starting to look up to him like one, what will he do with all these captains? There's no escaping that people like Don Chinjao have expressed interest in putting people under Luffy's command, and that's only going to continue to bloom, both at the end of this arc and in the arcs to come.
On one hand, Luffy didn't want anyone's help in taking down Doflamingo, so having captains sail under him could be unwanted as well. On the other, at his heart, Luffy doesn't want shit like what's happening to Dressrosa happening to other places (else he wouldn't be stopping it here), and he can't be everywhere at once, so if he's really thinking (or possibly takes the advice of one who is), having pirate captains sail under him is simply the smart thing to do. Then again, that could be a lot to keep up with for an easily-bored person like Luffy.
What does it mean to be pirate king? What does it mean to be a pirate? Pirates generally do some nasty things, but Luffy could change what a pirate can be (aside from someone like Shanks who inspired him to begin with). Will he let his actions do the talking, and simply inspire others to be like him? Will he flat out reject these people, possibly deflating what's building up under him? Does Luffy just want pirates "to be free– but not free enough to be total assholes to everyone"? Where do you think Oda is going with this?Most likely we will see all these people become allies like some of the past people who have crossed paths with the Strawhats. If we think back to the chapter when they were all reunited after the time skip all of their Allies came to the Strawhats aid when they were trying to hurry and leave for Fishman island. Even Luffy has Hancock as an Ally. I belive that all of these guys will be eternally grateful to Usopp for freeing them from being the toy slaves so in result will pledge their allegiance to the Strawhats and be the muscle for them whenever they aren't around.
I think we will see a time when it looks like the Strawhats are completely surrounded by a fleet under the command of a Yonko or the WG, and these Allies will once again come to the aid of the Strawhats.
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I don't think we'll see Luffy with his full armada of allied pirates until the EoS war, and even then I doubt he'll give orders or whatever.
He'll probably just proclaim his intention to take on the World Government and guys like Barto, Cavendish, The Happo Navy etc. will follow of their own accord.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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I don't think we'll see Luffy with his full armada of allied pirates until the EoS war, and even then I doubt he'll give orders or whatever.
He'll probably just proclaim his intention to take on the World Government and guys like Barto, Cavendish, The Happo Navy etc. will follow of their own accord.
I agree to this theory. Luffy wouldn't willingly create an armada because that'd defeat the whole purpose of him being free to roam the sees with his friends, which is his actual goal and being pirate king is just a means to an end. People will however fight for Luffy's dream in the final war without him asking for it seeing everyone and their mothers wants to be Luffy's underling and/or friend.
PS: This wasn't an option in the poll so I didn't chose any option
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I pick #7:
Luffy will delegate the position(& responsibility) of commander to his nakama.It will likely be Robin, as she already has experience with this stuff;
Or "God" Ussop, as he always dreamed of commanding pirates.Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Let it all go: Fear, doubt, disbelief.
FREE YOUR MIND!
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@Ne0:
I pick #7:
Luffy will delegate the position(& responsibility) of commander to his nakama.It will likely be Robin, as she already has experience with this stuff;
Or "God" Ussop, as he always dreamed of commanding pirates.I agree with this. But I would say even Franky has his own charisma.
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Zeahahaha… this old poll is quickly becoming funny now. (Last post: April 8, Bumped now: Sept 6)
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Seems to me Oda already spoiled this in a way, when he announced that the final battle will make Marineford look small, or something.
I voted for the first option, but even if he refuses them now, he's bound to have allies in the end. He doesn't have to do everything like Roger, the situation is different now. Besides, he's already done something Roger never has when he allied with Law. Also, Roger might have done the same (gotten more allies and tried to take care of business) if the disease didn't cut his life short.
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Voted for second. Luffy's gonna need allies to take on the Yonkou's and Government's entire forces for now on, but he'd probably be too headstrong to aknowledge that without advice.
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Nice thread. :happy:
So I don't really like the idea of Luffy having a big-ass fleet. For me, One Piece is about Luffy and his small crew, that's all. Luffy having 5600 men under his control gives me the impression that One Piece isn't One Piece anymore.
Because of that, I would like him to refuse, but that's impossible ; Oda setup the entire Dressrosa arc to introduce the allies, so Luffy refusing Bartolomeo's "offer" is definitely not going to happen.For me there are two possibilites :
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The different fleets just stick with their captains and navigate seperatly from Luffy, and would eventually come back to help him defeat really though ennemies such as Yonkos or the marine at the end of the manga.
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Luffy decides to name fleet commanders, like Whitebeard, and these commanders would be part of his crew, which would mean that the fleet would follow him everywhere (and I really don't want that to happen).
Who would these commanders be, then ?
I would say Sanji. - He's smart and reliable, and can act as a leader (like when the G5 follows him at Punk Hazard, for example).
Usopp -Mainly because of his dream / lies. And the allies basically praise him as a god so that wouldn't be a problem.Now I would say Jinbei for the last one. Robin could match but she's not a born-leader, really. I can't see her commanding an entire fleet. Trafalgar Law would do but I don't think he would accept, and plus he's not even in the crew.
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They don't and did not ask to be nakama, but subordinate crews.
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They don't and did not ask to be nakama, but subordinate crews.
I know, but Luffy having "subordinate crews" (as you say) still denatures One Piece, in my opinion.
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I mean one has to think though, what if one of those captains that wants to be under luffy's flag were to be defeated/captured/killed by The Navy or another Yonkou and they're all "You'll regret this, I'm under Monkey D. Luffy!" or "I'm doing this for for Luffy!" IF Luffy were to agree ((with the help of Zoro or Law)), I think he'll say, "don't be like Doffy, but you can do whatever and go wherever you want!" or something like that.
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well… he's gonna accept... haven't seen him turn down a friend request
but they probably won't follow him around all the time, that's for sure! i mean, mugiwara is all about those few special people... but maybe he'll say follow me and then he is gonna do a coup de burst and they'll fly off, leaving the others behind... lol
gimme a break nerd boys, i got a life you know!
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I know, but Luffy having "subordinate crews" (as you say) still denatures One Piece, in my opinion.
I understand what you are saying but these guys won't be on the Sunny running around in the back ground every chapter. From time to time this will just be the Franky Family, Galley La Company or White Beards crew mobilizing behind Luffy but on a larger scale.
One Piece will still be One Piece but with all the world changing events the crew gets into its only natural the scale gets upped by a million percent.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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I understand what you are saying but these guys won't be on the Sunny running around in the back ground every chapter. From time to time this will just be the Franky Family, Galley La Company or White Beards crew mobilizing behind Luffy but on a larger scale.
One Piece will still be One Piece but with all the world changing events the crew gets into its only natural the scale gets upped by a million percent.
I hope so. :happy:
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This is interesting… prior to today, with this topic not having been posted in since April, almost all the votes (not mine) were put into the bottom two options. In just an afternoon, since the topic's revival after the last chapter, that changed completely, lol. Shows how opinions really change over time! (Not mine, though; I had chosen the second option from the beginning. Old votes are stuck how they are, though, so even if people chose the bottom two and want to change it now, they can't; the shift occurred from new people voting.)
well… he's gonna accept... haven't seen him turn down a friend request
He must have a huge Facebook friend list
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This is interesting… prior to today, with this topic not having been posted in since April, almost all the votes (not mine) were put into the bottom two options. In just an afternoon, since the topic's revival after the last chapter, that changed completely, lol. Shows how opinions really change over time! (Not mine, though; I had chosen the second option from the beginning. Old votes are stuck how they are, though, so even if people chose the bottom two and want to change it now, they can't; the shift occurred from new people voting.)
He must have a huge Facebook friend list
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wait, what? april? what? aren't we talking about last week's chapter?
gimme a break nerd boys, i got a life you know!
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wait, what? april? what? aren't we talking about last week's chapter?
Lol check the dates on all the posts. I revived the topic because it became newly relevant. And when it did, the voting trend changed (people used to be dismissive that this would ever happen, which makes it funny now)
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Lol check the dates on all the posts. I revived the topic because it became newly relevant. And when it did, the voting trend changed (people used to be dismissive that this would ever happen, which makes it funny now)
nice forecasting brah… i don't think there will be a fleet of 60+ ships sailing around... i mean luffy wants to have adventures... difficult with all those people around... plus he would be worried for every one of them... too stressful... i think they will be more of allies, summoned every time there is trouble...
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The 7 allied captains. It'll be like Bellamy's ship, showing both his flag and Doflamingo's.
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Voted for the "piss of" option, but he will need allies, so he'll really have to accept them.
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Even if not now, he'll definitely need them later. You would think the whole point of allying his crew with Trafalgar Law in the first place would convince him of that. If they had trouble fighting Doffy's crew, how much more trouble is he going to have since it's possible he may be facing Kaido straight out of Dressrosa?
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Luffy said he is Hachibukai in alabasta
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Luffy will lead this group he formed in Dressrosa since it has barto and cavendish who he formed a bond with, Usopp will get Elbaf, Zoro the wano country group(kinemon, kanjuro, beats me), Sanji will get either a group of Okamas or the long leg tribe. Beats me for the rest. Chopper could lead the minkmen group…
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I think Luffy will let Usopp control these allied forces in his name.
But they will not call him Devil, they'll call him God.
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So where does it fall what happened in the chapter!!
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I think it's about time this thread gets locked
right answer was "Luffy will refuse but they will join on their own anyway!" -
Yeah, that was the simplest option, should have just said that lol. Close enough, anyway
