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    • DollarScholar
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      One piece has a great gallery of badguys, antagonists and adorable psychopaths.
      So lets debate which main arc villain is the best developed, most interesting and overalll coolest character. All character attributes are relevant, including design. So lets break it down, shall we?

      My personal vote goes to the Young Master himself, The Heavenly Demon Donquixote Doflamingo.
      i think this panel summarizes everything i love about him:

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      To start of, His Design is just great. Its unique and stands out, not just in the world of One Piece but in shounen manga in general.
      If you would try describe his design to somebody who hasn't read one piece, they would probably picture him as a complete dork. A big fluffy pink flamingo coat, a huge chest but sharp hairy legs with cropped pants, pointy sunglasses and heeled pointy shoes? how could that be menacing or cool?

      Oh, it is cool, baby. Show anyone a picture and i think they would instantly get it. The fact that Oda managed to make his design work in the context of the manga is a huge tribute to his skill.

      Now, lets break down why he is the BEST villain in my opinion. The reason is quite simple: His crimes are the most realistic and relatable.

      In a world of pirates with cartoon goals and rivalries, Doflamingo deals with shit that goes on in the real world, topical stuff that is relevant to talk about in society. Slavery, Drug trafficking, Research Drug chemicals - all of that shit goes on in the real world, on a massive scale.
      These are problems that we as a society often fail to acknowledge. With Punk Hazard and Dressrosa, Oda has provided lots of social commentary between the panels.

      There are characters just like Doflamingo in the real world. Pimps and drug lords who live in huge mansions on islands that they own and command a small army of mercenarys and hitmen.
      Many of them probably wear fancy fur coats and sunglasses. The stereotypical "pimp" image that Doflamingo is based on to a degree is a real thing too.

      Doflamingo´s personality is easy to appreciate. If you take the Joker from Batman, who is a massive pop cultural icon already and add a layer of charisma and flamboyant sophistication, a cool power and a bourgeoistic twist to the character, you get Doflamingo. And how can you go wrong with that? The charming, sadistic maniac with a complex history. It just works beautifully. Take his speech at Marineford, wich is pretty much Nietzsche summarized and adopted for kids to understand.

      His goal makes sense. He fell from "Heaven" and was shunned by the "Humans", so he turned to the only remaining option and became a "Demon". I think the interesting metaphor Oda is painting works perfectly.

      Another thing that i want to acknowledge is what we learned in the recent chapter: Like most villains in pop culture, Doflamingo had a tragic childhood and went through deep shit. But unlike the Stereotype, that is not what made him evil. He was born with a twisted mind, and the hardships he went through didnt shape him, they were merely obstacle that he overcame through his lack of fear. Its an interesting spin on the "tragedy creates evil" Trope that is so prevalent in pop culture and it is comparable to Ramsay Snow from ASOIF/Game of Thrones.

      So to summarize, my reasons for why Doflamingo is the best villain are:

      *Doflamingo is the most charismatic and eloquent villain in the series with more personality than others we have seen so far.
      *Doflamingo has the most backstory and history to boot.
      *Doflamingo has a compelling Devil Fruit that Oda uses in very creative ways.
      *Doflamingo is a very unique character in terms of design, backstory and personality. the "Sophisticated Savage" is an interesting paradox.
      *Doflamingo works as a character for social commentary, as explained above.

      now its your turn (and you are allowed to write shorter post than this:ninja:)

      There is one rule. You have to judge by what we have seen and read so far. "Character X has a cool design and awesome powers, and he probably has an interesting backstory that will be revealed later" is not a valid point or argument in this debate. This is not a thread for speculation or theorycrafting.

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        Doflamingo that goes without saying 🙂

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          Dofla praise thread? Dofla praise thread.

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            Dofla praise thread? Dofla praise thread.

            No, its a villain praise thread. I just made my case for why i think he is the best villain. You are free to make your case for why you think Hody Jones is the best (wich would be pretty interesting to read)… thats what this thread is about.

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              No, its a villain praise thread. I just made my case for why i think he is the best villain. You are free to make your case for why you think Hody Jones is the best (wich would be pretty interesting to read)… thats what this thread is about.

              In this case you've severely limited us on arc bosses (although two of them are not arc bosses yet, and there are some missing), and pretty much said everything about objectively best one…
              ...so, Dofla praise thread.

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                A poll??… a poll about most popular villain in a moment where Doula is popular as hell and we all know he had most development than any other??, dude... Why??

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                  Yeah… quite a few arc villains are missing from this (probably due to the poll limit).

                  Either way, it's Doflamingo, no contest for me. I love each and every one of them in some way though (except Hody and Lucci after he began to speak. Nothing about either of them is fun).

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                  In this case you've severely limited us on arc bosses (although two of them are not arc bosses yet, and there are some missing), and pretty much said everything about objectively best one…
                  ...so, Dofla praise thread.

                  I'm still absolutely curious why you think Hody Jones is the best antagonist.

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                    I'm still absolutely curious why you think Hody Jones is the best antagonist.

                    He pleasantly reminds me of my childhood full of bootleg VHS Shark movies and voting Dofla is too mainstream

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                      Also Oda confirmed Hody to have two penises.

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                        Also Oda confirmed Hody to have two penises.

                        And Zeo too. And Daruma.
                        …oh, NFP, those were the days.

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                          @Warp:

                          In this case you've severely limited us on arc bosses (although two of them are not arc bosses yet, and there are some missing), and pretty much said everything about objectively best one…
                          ...so, Dofla praise thread.

                          Poll limit, dude. I couldnt include every single adversary in the history of One Piece in one poll.

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                          A poll??… a poll about most popular villain in a moment where Doula is popular as hell and we all know he had most development than any other??, dude... Why??

                          In case you missed it, there has been an equal amount of dofla hate ever since the flashbacks revealed that he used to be a "spoiled little shitty brat". The only character that i notice is super popular at the moment is Rocinante, and perhaps bartolomeo still. I havent noticed any Doflamingo hype, really. And its not just a poll, its supposed to be a debate were people make their case for their favorite villain.

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                            Sakazuki. For so many reasons.

                            Sakazuki. The man who defeated more named people then any other arc Antagonist before him.

                            Sakazuki. The man who most evenly clashed with Whitebeard, The Strongest Man in the World.

                            Sakazuki. The man who killed protagonist brother, breaking the infamous One Piece Plot Shield with a Magma Fist.

                            Sakazuki. The man who came the closest to ending Luffy's dream and journey.

                            Sakazuki. The man who gets shit done.

                            I cannot stress my love for the character enough. He doesn't need to have elaborate backstory. He doesn't need to have social commentary. Altough he fits quite well with some political methods employed by first and second world countries, let me tell you that for a fact.

                            What matters is that Sakazuki succeded. He honest to god succeded and ended the life of Ace, son of Pirate King, brother of Luffy, our protagonist.

                            Character like that is so rare in Shonen. Villain who succeded at his plan, and arguably got away with it? In current timeline, not a flashback?

                            The only other one is Blackbeard, but he is hurt by being pathethic most of the time.

                            Now, I know what people are going to ask: "Darth, why not Doffy? He is an awesome villain!"

                            And to that I say: Doffy is a interesting character, and certainly amusing to watch, but he is not a great antagonist. He, in my opinion, lacks ability to be threatning, thanks to his monologuing, and him constantly underestimating his enemies, contrary to saying that he won't do that exact thing.

                            I cannot take Doffy seriously as a villain. I honestly can't.

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                              Then wait for Teach and Akainu arcs, this poll isn't fair for the rest and you know it, it smells like Dofla praise thread from miles away.

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                                  Character like that is so rare in Shonen. Villain who succeded at his plan, and arguably got away with it? In current timeline, not a flashback?

                                  I'd say it isn't rare when it comes to series antagonists, who succeed until they are ultimately defeated in the end. It'll just make his eventual final defeat much more satisfying to the reader.

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                                    Doflamingo probably takes the top spot for me.
                                    I like that while he has been described as a purely evil villain we shouldn't feel sorry for, it doesn't hinder him from having a layered and interesting personality. I WANT to learn more about this douchebag, regardless of his intentions, and that speaks a lot for the character. He is interesting.
                                    Furthermore, his design is one of the most ridiculous and surprising in the series, but in the end he's become one of THE most menancing characters. He wears a pink, fluffy coat and has a flamingo theme, yet you take him seriously. Even more seriously than many other villains in the series. I'd dare say he's even one of the more iconic characters.

                                    However, there is one man who I think contends for the top spot, and that is Magellan. The sole reason I don't put him as #1 is because I just can't call him a pure villain. I'm still a bit baffled how, at the end of Impel Down, I felt sorry for the wardens. They did their damndest to protect the innocents of the outside world, and failed. Furthermore, Magellan holds that special place as the one villain Luffy never actually beat. If there is anything impressive in One Piece, its that fact.
                                    His powers remains one of the most frightening in the series as well as one of my favorite incarnations of poison-type powers, and Magellan himself is an interesting guy.

                                    Other people I like include Crocodile, Kuro, Enel, Mihawk and Moria. And in the case of smaller villains, Robin, Kaku, Jabra, Perona.

                                    As for my least favorite big villain… Don Krieg.

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                                      Then wait for Teach and Akainu arcs, this poll isn't fair for the rest and you know it, it smells like Dofla praise thread from miles away.

                                      You mean wait 5-10 years? I consider Teach and Sakazuki to be the two arch villains of Marineford arc. They both have done plenty already (killing ace and whitebeard?) and both have quite a fan following.
                                      You sound pretty prejudiced regarding my intentions.

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                                        You mean wait 5-10 years? I consider Teach and Sakazuki to be the two arch villains of Marineford arc. They both have done plenty already (killing ace and whitebeard?) and both have quite a fan following.
                                        You sound pretty prejudiced regarding my intentions.

                                        We don't know their backstorys so yeah, wait over 10 years if you have to, this has zero objectivity and a lot of "Doula's got this poll" in our faces, give us a break with the feathered man.

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                                          @Zar:

                                          I'm still a bit baffled how, at the end of Impel Down, I felt sorry for the wardens. They did their damndest to protect the innocents of the outside world, and failed.

                                          Both Magellan and Hannyabal aren't "villains", but instead are antagonists due to going against Luffy's progression.

                                          I don't think Oda ever wanted the readers to hate the two of them, because they both were good people trying to stop a mass breakout.

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                                            We don't know their backstorys so yeah, wait over 10 years if you have to, this has zero objectivity and a lot of "Doula's got this poll" in our faces, give us a break with the feathered man.

                                            Now i dont even know what you are talking about. The poll is asking for your favourite OP villain so far. When the series is over in a decade or two, i might make another poll like this one. Until then, i think this is perfectly legit. And where is this Doflamingo-craze that you keep bringing up?

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                                              Now i dont even know what you are talking about. The poll is asking for your favourite OP villain so far. When the series is over in a decade or two, i might make another poll like this one. Until then, i think this is perfectly legit. And where is this Doflamingo-craze that you keep bringing up?

                                              I already said it , doing this poll during his arc and having a huge-as-hell fan base, not to mention the entire evangelical post with which you opened this thread, Doula, Doula,Doula. This is all about Doula and his popularity over other villains.

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                                                I'd say it isn't rare when it comes to series antagonists, who succeed until they are ultimately defeated in the end. It'll just make his eventual final defeat much more satisfying to the reader.

                                                Is it now? In major Shonen series? Because I keep thinking, and I can't remember any other event where antagonist kills a character that important to protagonist, and for it to not be A) Flashback B) Immediatly retconned by bringing character back to life C) Followed up by the complete defeat of antagonist in the same arc or next one.

                                                The closest I think would be Hughes in Fullmetal Alchemist. Or am I missing something?

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                                                  @Monquito:

                                                  I already said it , doing this poll during his arc and having a huge-as-hell fan base, not to mention the entire evangelical post with which you opened this thread, Doula, Doula,Doula. This is all about Doula and his popularity over other villains.

                                                  So you are pissed that im writing a "passionate" post about my personal favourite villain and then request others to do the same about their favourites?

                                                  There is another recent poll called "Wich is your favourite FB character", while we are in the middle of a flashback featuring a character with a massive fanbase right now (Rocinante). How is this one less "Fair"?

                                                  Doflamingos massive popularity was never really that obvious. I was personally betting on Vrocodile coming out on top in this poll.

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                                                    @DollarScholar:

                                                    So you are pissed that im writing a "passionate" thread about my personal favourite villain and then request others to do the same about their favourites?

                                                    There is another recent poll called "Wich is your favourite FB character", while we are in the middle of a flashback featuring a character with a massive fanbase right now (Rocinante). How is this one less "Fair"?

                                                    Doflamingos massive popularity was never really that obvious. I was personally betting on Vrocodile coming out on top in this poll.

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                                                      Is it now? In major Shonen series? Because I keep thinking, and I can't remember any other event where antagonist kills a character that important to protagonist, and for it to not be A) Flashback B) Immediatly retconned by bringing character back to life C) Followed up by the complete defeat of antagonist in the same arc or next one.

                                                      The closest I think would be Hughes in Fullmetal Alchemist. Or am I missing something?

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                                                      16 chars of fixed.

                                                      I created a thread and wrote a long post relevant to the subject matter, and requested others to do the same. Just because DD is in the OP doesnt make this a thread about DD. If i really just wanted to create a Doflamingo fan-club thread, i would probably have done so.

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                                                        Is it now? In major Shonen series? Because I keep thinking, and I can't remember any other event where antagonist kills a character that important to protagonist, and for it to not be A) Flashback B) Immediatly retconned by bringing character back to life C) Followed up by the complete defeat of antagonist in the same arc or next one.

                                                        The closest I think would be Hughes in Fullmetal Alchemist. Or am I missing something?

                                                        Success definitely is not exclusively related to the death of someone related to the protagonist. What matters is that the antagonist's main plan goes through until the very end, until they are defeated by one of the good guys (not always the protagonist).

                                                        Using Full Metal Alchemist as an example, Father's plan pretty much works flawlessly until the end of the series, when he is stopped and defeated by the "good guys".

                                                        Same stuff is going to happen with both Blackbeard and Sakazuki. They'll have their Pre Timeskip successes (Sakazuki's performance during Marineford and Blackbeard's rise to being a Yonko), and they'll have their Post Timeskip successes (Blackbeard probably killing Shanks, and continuing his reign over Whitebeard's old territories. Kind of hard to predict what Sakazuki will accomplish). Those successes will lead to their ultimate downfalls though by the end of the series.

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                                                            Damnit. I didn't notice Blackbeard was on the list. Of it weren't for my negligence, I would've voted for him instead of my second favorite villain, Doflamingo.

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                                                              I am torn between Doffy and Crocodile, though I do have to put forward an argument in favor of Crocodile.

                                                              Crocodile and Doffy seem to be, in important respects, mirror antagonists - they are each warlords who (essentially) conquered a kingdom and caused some sort of internal conflict within that kingdom to further their goals of acquiring some sort of power with global implication (crocodile wants an ancient weapon, and I THINK so does Doffy but at bare minimum he wants to destroy the CD).

                                                              So, even without speculation, they are very similar in their accomplishments and their goals. Doffy of course has the Kaido relationship, which is potentially more interesting than the whole Baroque works setup, but I feel that is more of an opinion and also is secondary to the task of their main projects - absolutely essential instrumentally, but it is just a means rather than an ends, and at most they really are only risking themselves in those relationships rather than putting other people's lives on the line on a mass scale. So, let's put the aesthetics and scale of these organizations aside for a moment.

                                                              Crocodile and Doffy, it seems, have similar goals, so it's worth comparing their resources in accomplishing them. This is true even if, ultimately, the goals do differ in a variety of ways.

                                                              Doffy has accomplished his goal through his conviction of course, and through his strength as a personality and as a pirate. However, he also has some sort of privileged information that allows him pull with WG and, to some extent, CD. He knows something that lets him get away with what he wants, extending beyond standard warlord powers. Without speculating too much, I think this is clearly tied to his history as a fallen CD, rather than being something he got his hands on himself.

                                                              What were Doffy's resources in accomplishing his goals? His conviction, his strength of personality, his strength as a pirate, and - crucially - some sort of privileged information that allows him pull with WG and (to some extent) CD. He knows something that lets him get away with what he wants, extending beyond standard warlord powers. Without speculating too much, I think this is clearly tied to his history as a fallen CD, rather than being something he got his hands on himself. Without this information, he couldn't have orchestrated the trap for Law/Luffy that they currently find themselves in, and I'm sure he has gotten away with a lot of other things as well.

                                                              What were Crocodiles resources? His conviction, his strength of mind, and his strength as a pirate. I am not sure it is safe to say that Crocodile's "personality" helped him triumph - he is excellent at organization, sure, but he isn't exactly charismatic and does not share the kind of relationships with his crew mates that Doffy enjoys. Instead of personality, he relies on his mind - he comes up with a complicated plan, organizes persons to achieve that plan, and comes very close (if not for Luffy and co. taking a liking to Vivi, and Robin betraying him). Let's just rank personality and mind as equally impressive, and move on. The important point is: That is all crocodile had available. He had no privileged history (that we know of), and no special information that holds him sway. He accomplished everything by himself rather than by some fortunate circumstances of birth.

                                                              Considering how close he got to his goal - maybe closer than Doffy will get, who knows, but certainly no further: they will both, at best, get very close but fail - the fact that Crocodile did this by himself is quite significant. Even Doffy recognizes this at marineford, offering him a partnership. Crocodile, however, doesn't think he needs Doffy and dismisses this proposal.

                                                              Ultimately, due to Doffy's personality, Doffy probably is my favorite villian - also the mystery that surrounds him is just much deeper than Crocodiles, imo. However, I do think this is a worthwhile argument in Crocodile's favor.

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                                                                Sakazuki. For so many reasons.

                                                                Sakazuki. The man who defeated more named people then any other arc Antagonist before him.

                                                                Sakazuki. The man who most evenly clashed with Whitebeard, The Strongest Man in the World.

                                                                Sakazuki. The man who killed protagonist brother, breaking the infamous One Piece Plot Shield with a Magma Fist.

                                                                Sakazuki. The man who came the closest to ending Luffy's dream and journey.

                                                                Sakazuki. The man who gets shit done.

                                                                Reminds of Horace's sister in the french play "Horace".

                                                                I think Ener defeated the most named character(Zoro, Robin, badass Shandian, Sanji, Gan Fall).

                                                                I would say the other 2 admirals did just as good against Whitebeard. He just traded a burial against half a face.

                                                                For Luffy's dream I would say Croc or Ace.

                                                                But yeah he gets pat of the shit done. That's better than the rest. But until I see him as the big bad to beat I won't consider him an arc villain. He needed a powerful entrance and got it. The question is how he will hold up when face directly with Luffy.

                                                                I cannot stress my love for the character enough. He doesn't need to have elaborate backstory. He doesn't need to have social commentary. Altough he fits quite well with some political methods employed by first and second world countries, let me tell you that for a fact.

                                                                What matters is that Sakazuki succeded. He honest to god succeded and ended the life of Ace, son of Pirate King, brother of Luffy, our protagonist.

                                                                Well I will always consider that it was suicide more than anything else. I mean he got out of the stand and decided he wanted some of that magma fist.

                                                                Character like that is so rare in Shonen. Villain who succeded at his plan, and arguably got away with it? In current timeline, not a flashback?

                                                                I don't know how rare it is but I can admire him managing to do so in one piece.

                                                                Now, I know what people are going to ask: "Darth, why not Doffy? He is an awesome villain!"

                                                                And to that I say: Doffy is a interesting character, and certainly amusing to watch, but he is not a great antagonist. He, in my opinion, lacks ability to be threatning, thanks to his monologuing, and him constantly underestimating his enemies, contrary to saying that he won't do that exact thing.

                                                                I cannot take Doffy seriously as a villain. I honestly can't.

                                                                I can only think of Crocodile when it comes to best villain. Ener had a great megalomania back up by crazy abilities and Lucci simply enjoy the killng. They were all enjoyable in their own right. But i have yet to enjoy Doflamingo as a villain. I still like his fitting style, his DF and some of his quotes.

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                                                                  voted for Akainu.
                                                                  I think he takes his principles too seriously to the point of killing fellow marines.
                                                                  he's a cruel, cold blooded asshole with an indomitable will, and he's willing to resort to deceiving his enemies to achieve his goals.

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                                                                    I think that Spandam should really be included in the poll. He was just as much of a big bad of the whole CP9 Saga as Lucci was. Just because he was never a physical threat to anybody doesn't mean he didn't properly serve the role of an antagonist during that part of the series. He did a lot of sick and corrupt things with his positions of power in the World Government.

                                                                    Anyway, my favorite is Doflamingo, definitely. He was my favorite before his arc as a full-on antagonist began, and after his development he has managed to more than justify that position as my favorite. I get the feeling that by the time the series starts to near an end that Blackbeard will start ranking much higher for me, too.

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                                                                      Akainu has no competition.

                                                                      Blackbeard would be high in my list too, but I can't forget his journey almost ended in Impel Down and only the luck to be saved by vice-warden made him live another day.

                                                                      Doflamingo? Please, he lost in less then a day what he build in more then 10 years. You must be either crazy or just stupid to still keep your smile after that.

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                                                                        My favorite is definitely Crocodile.

                                                                        I consider his plan good enough. He had the right balance when it came neither over or under estimating the strawhats. He concentrated much about accomplishing his goals than killing the hindering pirates. He had some back-up if not everything goes as plan( the spies in both sides that started the war, the bomb). So in planning I consider him to be the best.

                                                                        His subordinates were of all all sorts and did their parts. The pairs was an interesting idea. They had great design and mange to still retain a dangerous atmosphere around them for the most part(except maybe Mr 2). And they actually fought because they had to rather some ridiculous pride getting on the way of the job(targeting Vivi, trying to kill Nami to not waste time. They also provided great fights ( that has to be the only fight I really liked). So i would say best subordinates.

                                                                        His design was good.

                                                                        I also think that he is the villain that pushed Luffy the furthest with Magellan. The scene in the quick scene really tells you the difference in level.

                                                                        So he may not have the depth of Doflamingo but I think he is miles ahead of him when it comes to being a good villain.

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                                                                          My favorite is definitely Crocodile.

                                                                          I consider his plan good enough. He had the right balance when it came neither over or under estimating the strawhats. He concentrated much about accomplishing his goals than killing the hindering pirates. He had some back-up if not everything goes as plan( the spies in both sides that started the war, the bomb). So in planning I consider him to be the best.

                                                                          His subordinates were of all all sorts and did their parts. The pairs was an interesting idea. They had great design and mange to still retain a dangerous atmosphere around them for the most part(except maybe Mr 2). And they actually fought because they had to rather some ridiculous pride getting on the way of the job(targeting Vivi, trying to kill Nami to not waste time. They also provided great fights ( that has to be the only fight I really liked). So i would say best subordinates.

                                                                          His design was good.

                                                                          I also think that he is the villain that pushed Luffy the furthest with Magellan. The scene in the quick scene really tells you the difference in level.

                                                                          So he may not have the depth of Doflamingo but I think he is miles ahead of him when it comes to being a good villain.

                                                                          Don't forget, he is also the most probable one to get the same kind of depth into him, as Mingo, just later.

                                                                          Well, mine is Mingo, hands down. I really like his personality, design, and his speech at Marineford is easily the quote of the century. (Fiction-wise)
                                                                          I also like Crocodile, but I'm waiting for him to get a nice development, so as of now, my vote goes to Mingo.

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                                                                            I hate Akainu with passion so i guess he accomplished his role as a villain. Objectively he is the best but when it comes to favorites i throw objectivity through the toilet and end up riding Doula's bandwagon. He is my type of combo.

                                                                            I never really liked Crocodile hence why Alabasta is one of my least favorite arcs.

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                                                                              So he may not have the depth of Doflamingo but I think he is miles ahead of him when it comes to being a good villain.

                                                                              That's a very good point, I think.

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                                                                                I don't consider Akainu and Blackbeard arc villains yet and Dressrosa isn't finished yet so I'm going to have to go with Arlong.

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                                                                                  Going w/ Enel as my fav villain (still going strong as my fav too). XD Now this is coming from someone who usually hates the cool, collected, stone-faced villain, but for me, his design was interesting, his power was formidable (despite the obvious weakness), he was insane…and his trademark shock face.

                                                                                  I love villains that have no real reason to be evil except being insane. Not to say he was coo-coo insane, but his God complex was simply fascinating. A person who after gaining his power, destroyed his home island and took over another w/ the goal of going to the "land where God dwells", truly believing he was God. He believed that everyone's lives were his to do what he pleases, not out of revenge or malice, but simply because he believed he was God and was his duty to carry out such tasks.

                                                                                  He turned a full on assault on him into a giant survival game, and he was the game master. He took on small time characters to pretty much encountering and defeating every SH and ally (I enjoyed all interactions characters had w/ him, like Nami simply inquiring about his power, or Robin conversing w/ him about the bell). Not only that, but after ALL was said and done, after the "game" he simply welcomed people willing to kill him, to accompany him...w/ open arms, no less. Hell, he was legit confused as to why they would refuse to go along w/ "God" since his will is supposed to be absolute.

                                                                                  And lastly, he accomplished his goal. He may have not retuned Upper Yard back down to the sea, but not only did he successfully destroy Skypiea, his Maxim WORKED! XDD The guy freaking made it to the moon and uncovered a moon civilization, showing us (the readers) that not only it existed, but space travel is officially possible. It's still unclear what will happen w/ the moon people, but Enel has set something into motion that's for sure.

                                                                                  It may not be the best explained reason, but this is just some of my points why Enel continues to be a fav of mine after so long. ^^

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                                                                                    I didn't really care that much about Crocodile as a character until Marineford. I used to think that his goal back in Arabasta was something cliche like taking over the world, but it became obvious in Marineford that he considered White Beard a monster that could only be defeated with one of the Ultimate Weapons. It explains why he got so pissed off after finding out that White Beard did weaken with age.

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                                                                                      Best villain? I don't think anyone could say until we get to the end… but I can give my personal fav if that works. Honestly I'm partial towards Caesar, but that's because he's like the little mad scientist that could, but always fails (contrary to Buggy who always fails, yet somehow gets rewarded for it). He's nostalgic for me, somewhere along the likes Dr. Drakken from Kim Possible or Mojo Jojo of the Powerpuff Girls.

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                                                                                        I think Ener defeated the most named character(Zoro, Robin, badass Shandian, Sanji, Gan Fall).

                                                                                        Hmm… Ace, Ivankov, Inazuma, Jimbei, Curiel. And technicaly Luffy.

                                                                                        At the very least, I would argue that quality of his foes outweights quality of Enel's foes.

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                                                                                        I would say the other 2 admirals did just as good against Whitebeard. He just traded a burial against half a face.

                                                                                        I would disagree. He put two most gruesome wounds on Whitebeard, and arguably was the man that contribute most to his death.

                                                                                        Plus, I like his determinator tendencies.

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                                                                                          Poll limit, dude. I couldnt include every single adversary in the history of One Piece in one poll.

                                                                                          The limit is 18.

                                                                                          At least you could have included Jabra, you liar.

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                                                                                            I love Doflamingo. Have always been fascinated by him since he first showed up and how as the series progressed, we saw how he had his hands in a whole lot of different things that the Straw Hats encountered whether it was Bellamy, the Human Auctioning House, or Punk Hazard. Plus, I loved how carefree he was throughout the whole war. He seemed to just be enjoying the entertainment. I love villains like that and I'm so happy we're finally learning about him and his past. So goes without saying, Doflamingo.

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                                                                                            I think in general One Piece has some great antagonists. Other standouts for me are definitely: Enel, Crocodile, Arlong, and I really love to hate Akainu. So looking forward to Akainu and Luffy coming face to face again. I think while One Piece hasn't had that many terrible antagonists, there are definitely some weaker ones in comparison to the others; I was never overly impressed by Hody Jones as a villain. He just didn't seem like all that much of a threat. Didn't hate him, just didn't think he served as a great antagonist for the Fishman Island Arc. Didn't love Caesar Clown much either though I thought he served as some interesting insight to Vegapunk and he did some pretty horrible things. I was glad he just turned out to be a glorified henchman of Doflamingo, really.

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                                                                                              I didn't really care that much about Crocodile as a character until Marineford. I used to think that his goal back in Arabasta was something cliche like taking over the world, but it became obvious in Marineford that he considered White Beard a monster that could only be defeated with one of the Ultimate Weapons. It explains why he got so pissed off after finding out that White Beard did weaken with age.

                                                                                              Pretty sure he just wanted to ruled a country.

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                                                                                                I went for Enel. That's not to say that Enel is the best character out of all of the options and that's certainly not me saying that I want him to ever return to the manga (I really don't) but I think he's been the best villain so far. Skypeia is my favourite arc and Enel is a huge part of that.

                                                                                                I think he ticks all the boxes -
                                                                                                -He's got a great design
                                                                                                -He's got style by the bucket load (he eats apples like a boss)
                                                                                                -His god complex makes for a pretty interesting psyche and in my mind excuses him for when he underestimates people. He underestimates people because he literally thinks he's a god unlike other villains who spend most of their time claiming that they won't underestimate the SHs and then do time after time.
                                                                                                -He's easily one of the most threatening villains in the fact that he actually defeats characters and gets stuff done. The only reason that Luffy defeats him is because he's made out of rubber and even then Enel found some pretty great ways around the issue.
                                                                                                -And most importantly he's an evil bastard. He was an arrogant prick who needed to be brought back down to Earth and by god did Luffy do that.

                                                                                                I love Enel and I love Skypeia, he was perfect in Skypeia where he was a God and I really don't think he'll work in any other scenario.

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                                                                                                  Hmm… Ace, Ivankov, Inazuma, Jimbei, Curiel. And technicaly Luffy.

                                                                                                  At the very least, I would argue that quality of his foes outweights quality of Enel's foes.

                                                                                                  Luffy was already KO and Crocodile got Jimbei out of the way before he got defeated.

                                                                                                  If by quality you mean strength then yes. But since you were talking talking about named character I objected.

                                                                                                  I would disagree. He put two most gruesome wounds on Whitebeard, and arguably was the man that contribute most to his death.

                                                                                                  Plus, I like his determinator tendencies.

                                                                                                  For sure he dealt the most damage but he also took the most. While the other took none and did none. So I think if it comes to clashing evenly with Whitebeard they did just as good as each other.

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                                                                                                    Luffy was already KO and Crocodile got Jimbei out of the way before he got defeated.

                                                                                                    If by quality you mean strength then yes. But since you were talking talking about named character I objected.

                                                                                                    Luffy was KO'd thanks to actions of Akainu (namely killing his brother). And if you are going to argue that Jimbei was in any condition to fight, I'm going to laugh at you. Fair warning.

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                                                                                                    For sure he dealt the most damage but he also took the most. While the other took none and did none. So I think if it comes to clashing evenly with Whitebeard they did just as good as each other.

                                                                                                    If you are going to put it in terms like that, then Kizaru would be clearly ahead of the other two, for he both dealt damage, and took none.

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                                                                                                      The only thing I dislike about Sakazuki is that unexplainable haki resistance thing. That OP as shit, please nerf.

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                                                                                                        Sakazuki. For so many reasons.

                                                                                                        Sakazuki. The man who defeated more named people then any other arc Antagonist before him.

                                                                                                        Sakazuki. The man who most evenly clashed with Whitebeard, The Strongest Man in the World.

                                                                                                        Sakazuki. The man who killed protagonist brother, breaking the infamous One Piece Plot Shield with a Magma Fist.

                                                                                                        Sakazuki. The man who came the closest to ending Luffy's dream and journey.

                                                                                                        Sakazuki. The man who gets shit done.

                                                                                                        I cannot stress my love for the character enough. He doesn't need to have elaborate backstory. He doesn't need to have social commentary. Altough he fits quite well with some political methods employed by first and second world countries, let me tell you that for a fact.

                                                                                                        What matters is that Sakazuki succeded. He honest to god succeded and ended the life of Ace, son of Pirate King, brother of Luffy, our protagonist.

                                                                                                        Character like that is so rare in Shonen. Villain who succeded at his plan, and arguably got away with it? In current timeline, not a flashback?

                                                                                                        The only other one is Blackbeard, but he is hurt by being pathethic most of the time.

                                                                                                        Now, I know what people are going to ask: "Darth, why not Doffy? He is an awesome villain!"

                                                                                                        And to that I say: Doffy is a interesting character, and certainly amusing to watch, but he is not a great antagonist. He, in my opinion, lacks ability to be threatning, thanks to his monologuing, and him constantly underestimating his enemies, contrary to saying that he won't do that exact thing.

                                                                                                        I cannot take Doffy seriously as a villain. I honestly can't.

                                                                                                        You realize that majority of Akainu's action have been for the plot purposes , right ? And Outside of him playing the evil role in the series , he barely has much of personality , depth or any kind of explanation for his beliefs and actions . He is every bit as generic as villains can get . If you hold him up as some excellent villain then you must have some serious low standards for villains in general .

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