One Piece Chapter 745: Birdcage

Severian79

Luffy will defeat Doffy, Zoro Pica, and some of the just rescued toys will defeat Diamante and Trebol. I am still interested to find out where Kanjuro is and what happened between Doffy and Law. But no way in hell will Fujitora join the straw hats. His fighting style is too much like Zoro. I am interested in when Jinbei will show up again.

My fault, that is not what I wanted to say. No way Fujitora is going to join the crew! What I wanted to say is that he might join forces with the Straw Hats now that the civilians in Dressrosa are in danger

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@isrnick:

Knowing Oda it would be more likely that Cora-san killed himself to save Law in a previous birdcage…

I imagined one of those "I'll let you kill me so that you can go on" scenarios, a la John Snow & Halfhand in Game of Thrones, so maybe we're both right

STP_PS

@Darth:

The only way Doffy can take of Fuji is by turning him into a toy. All of the other option will backfire on him horribly.

Turning him into art maybe?

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@King:

Shiki and Ms. Valentine also manipulate gravity to a certain extent.

Probably Machvise too.

Ms valentine manipulated weightforce probably not gravity, So what she did was changing the result that gravity had in her body which is , well not exactly the same. As for Shiki, he made anything and everything float, however making something float doesn´t necessarily mean that gravity has been nullified. Look at a hot air balloon for instance.

I apologize for double posting

juiceduphody3315

Habuka inside the birdcage will be interesting….I wonder how it will effect the game

Luca

i would have loved to see fuji vs whitebeard

Flipper Pride

@LordEnel:

i would have loved to see fuji vs whitebeard

The Strongest man in the world would be squatting in his gravity as if it were a warm up buddy.

Champ

@Flipper:

The Strongest man in the world would be squatting in his gravity as if it were a warm up buddy.

I disagree. Fuji is no joke, Whitebeard would be hindered…a little.

Flipper Pride

@Champ:

I disagree. Fuji is no joke, Whitebeard would be hindered…a little.

Just wait until Fuji has to go up against a Yonkou.

Edit: Or even Doflamingo.

Yusbi

@LordEnel:

i would have loved to see fuji vs whitebeard

Whitebeard would murk the shit out of his meteors and then pulverize his face in.

xan

@bouncyhippo:

because ryuuma and zoro both use swords to fight, so fujitora and zoro would be a likely match in the future. Doctor hogback was chopper's idol, sanji fought absalom 99% of the time so he was technically his opponent. How i determined the uknown admiral would be up against usopp is because they belong to the real make up of the sh pirates. The originals are luffy, zoro, nami, usopp and sanji. The story also seems to center around these 5 indivisuals more often than the others. chopper, robin, franky and brook almost seem like side characters to fill up the core group.

…............ WHAT

RODY

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RODY

@DollarScholar:

Regarding Fujis DF, when i first read one piece 11 ago and me and my friends were discussing what sort of DFs we would like to have and i came up with gravity i think the reasoning was excactly that it would allow me to fly aswell as crush people and call down space debree for massive destruction.

Really seems like a contender for the "Strongest Paramecia fruit" title along with the Gura Gura no Mi. By now the Ito Ito no Mi is defenitely top 5 aswell.

But has nobody commented on the fact that it overlaps with the Yami Yami no Mi? The difference is that Isshos fruit fseems to use Gravity in a more refined a controlled manner, while Teach can become a beacon of "infinte gravity" kinda like a mini black hoke and draw things thowards him (Kurozo, Black Hole) but unlikr Fuji he cannot make himself or objects fly nor crush people with pure gravitational force.

I've been telling this in the make your own DF thread and no one listens, it's a complete overlap and I don't think it's just mere gravity, there must be some sort of catch behind it like he can only make earths gravitational pull stronger in the areas he decides or something like that

RonConMilo

@bouncyhippo:

because Ryuuma and Zoro both use swords to fight, so Fujitora and Zoro would be a likely match in the future. Doctor Hogback was Chopper's idol, Sanji fought Absalom 99% of the time so he was technically his opponent. How I determined the uknown admiral would be up against Usopp is because they belong to the real make up of the SH pirates. The originals are Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp and Sanji. The story also seems to center around these 5 indivisuals more often than the others. Chopper, Robin, Franky and Brook almost seem like side characters to fill up the core group.

Filler characters?!?!?!

Don't forget the importance they have for the history and how they have saved many dangerous situations. Also be sure that Robin at the end is gonna fight with a strongest opponent that Ussop's (or even Franky).

bouncyhippo

@RonConMilo:

Filler characters?!?!?!

Don't forget the importance they have for the history and how they have saved many dangerous situations. Also be sure that Robin at the end is gonna fight with a strongest opponent that Ussop's (or even Franky).

of course they are important. But they don't get as much screen time. Robin always seems to be doing her own thing and wandering off to find artifacts. Franky is always guarding the thousand sunny, so the rest of the crew is out adventuring. Chopper doesn't do much and always hiding even more than Usopp, and Brooks just makes jokes. That's why there is a significantly huge difference in the amount of threads with this half. They just aren't as unique. Although Nami also gets less threads than Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Usopp, I believe she belongs in the main core category.

xan

@bouncyhippo:

of course they are important. But they don't get as much screen time. Robin always seems to be doing her own thing and wandering off to find artifacts. Franky is always guarding the thousand sunny, so the rest of the crew is out adventuring. Chopper doesn't do much and always hiding even more than Usopp, and Brooks just makes jokes.

My troll detector just got a diarrhea

SquallL

I agree with bouncyhippo, Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp and Sanji main characters, Chopper, robin, Franky and Brook filler characters.

meundies

Wasnt Kinemon holding something as he ran out? I assumed it was Kanjuro.

Candide

@SquallL:

I agree with bouncyhippo, Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp and Sanji main characters, Chopper, Robin, Franky and Brook filler characters.

Oda is doing brilliantly in how he organizes characters and the developement of a plot. I never had the impression any of the Strawhats was replaceable - even Brook had a really important part on FI. So what do you intend with your quite random categorization? I'm even sure that in Dressrosa Franky had until now more panels than Zoro. Too busy to count them. And when talking about importance, please don't forget the Thousand Sunny, the medical support or the void century - all those clearly show, that without your so called filler charecters the story would be absolutely different…

bouncyhippo

@Candide:

Oda is doing brilliantly in how he organizes characters and the developement of a plot. I never had the impression any of the Strawhats was replaceable - even Brook had a really important part on FI. So what do you intend with your quite random categorization? I'm even sure that in Dressrosa Franky had until now more panels than Zoro. Too busy to count them. And when talking about importance, please don't forget the Thousand Sunny, the medical support or the void century - all those clearly show, that without your so called filler charecters the story would be absolutely different…

No they will not be replaced and they are important. I just find it special and unique that Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp and Sanji actually made a pact together in East Blue. These 5 characters were also introduced very very early in One Piece and spent a lot of time knowing each other. Then comes a long phase in between until they finally started a mass recruitment with huge long arc per new recruit until they got separated in saboady archipelago (or however you spell it).

SquallL

@Candide:

Oda is doing brilliantly in how he organizes characters and the developement of a plot. I never had the impression any of the Strawhats was replaceable - even Brook had a really important part on FI. So what do you intend with your quite random categorization? I'm even sure that in Dressrosa Franky had until now more panels than Zoro. Too busy to count them. And when talking about importance, please don't forget the Thousand Sunny, the medical support or the void century - all those clearly show, that without your so called filler charecters the story would be absolutely different…

Brook appeared after 10 years and 400 chapters. I can not consider his a main character. The same applies to robin, Franky etc

bouncyhippo

@SquallL:

Brook appeared after 10 years and 400 chapters. I can not consider his a main character. The same applies to robin, Franky etc

and even today people are still quarreling over Usopp's progression much more than Franky and his overpowered radical beams. Same with Zoro and his comparisons to Mihawk and other swordsmens like the guy in Blackbeard's crew and Eutess Kid's crew. People hardly ever talk about Robin's archealogy skills or Chopper's top rate medicine techniques. I don't even think Brook has done anything progressive yet in this arc except for one slide that he was able to freeze Jora.

Flipper Pride

What is Manshelly people are talking about?

xan

Are people seriously discussing whether Robin, Franky and Brook are main characters? Oh my…

budino90

@Flipper:

What is Manshelly people are talking about?

Crazy people is crazy

Tyrano

@Flipper:

What is Manshelly people are talking about?

Dwarf Princess who the other dwarves claim is annoying.

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@xan:

Are people seriously discussing whether Robin, Franky and Brook are main characters? Oh my…

I want to poke my eyes out.

Flipper Pride

@Tyrano:

Dwarf Princess who the other dwarves claim is annoying.

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I want to poke my eyes out.

Oh.. Like i wasn't even bothered to remember that one. I doubt the princess will have any value to give. Maybe an eternal pose.

Tyrano

@Flipper:

Oh.. Like i wasn't even bothered to remember that one. I doubt the princess will have any value to give. Maybe an eternal pose.

she is next nakama.

Flipper Pride

Do people actually realise how incredibly small one of Fujitoras meteors actually are compared to all of Dressrosa? I mean it created a tiny hole dare i say compared to all of greenbit whilst greenbit is a really really small island compared to Dressrosa.

Fujitora has consistently been using the same sized meteors. Im sure he has a 'cap' as to how big he can spawn one. So meteor has got nothing on the birdcage whatsoever.

ICEMAN

So what are we expecting next chapter?
A flashback of Law's loving mentor Corazon?

Flipper Pride

@Tyrano:

she is next nakama.

Ehh a Dwarf princess as Nakama? That means Nami won't be my least favourite character anymore.

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@ICEMAN:

So what are we expecting next chapter?
A flashback of Law's loving mentor Corazon?

It might start somewhere around this chapter. Maybe how Law won the birdcage game and was parasited into killing Cora san

maxpower69

@Flipper:

Do people actually realise how incredibly small one of Fujitoras meteors actually are compared to all of Dressrosa? I mean it created a tiny hole dare i say compared to all of greenbit whilst greenbit is a really really small island compared to Dressrosa.

Fujitora has consistently been using the same sized meteors. Im sure he has a 'cap' as to how big he can spawn one. So meteor has got nothing on the birdcage whatsoever.

Why would he summon a meteor that could crush dressrosa?

Flipper Pride

@maxpower69:

Why would he summon a meteor that could crush dressrosa?

Ask everyone who thinks a meteor can take down the birdcage.

_Hayato

@SquallL:

Brook appeared after 10 years and 400 chapters. I can not consider his a main character. The same applies to robin, Franky etc

@bouncyhippo:

and even today people are still quarreling over Usopp's progression much more than Franky and his overpowered radical beams. Same with Zoro and his comparisons to Mihawk and other swordsmens like the guy in Blackbeard's crew and Eutess Kid's crew. People hardly ever talk about Robin's archealogy skills or Chopper's top rate medicine techniques. I don't even think Brook has done anything progressive yet in this arc except for one slide that he was able to freeze Jora.

I feel bad for the people who consider you two as their friends in your future.

Also, are you talking about actual people talking about the Straw Hats individual jobs? No one talks about Nami's navigational skills, the manga only shows it only when there's a phenomenon. That goes for Sanji's cooking skills as well, when's the last time you seen a heated discussion about the attack cuisine?

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Well Manshelly already does have a similarity with the current arc villain, Doflamingo. Isn't she royalty who's different from her own kind?

maxpower69

@Flipper:

Ask everyone who thinks a meteor can take down the birdcage.

His meteors are big enough. Except that will be sliced by the cage.

Flipper Pride

@maxpower69:

His meteors are big enough. Except that will be sliced by the cage.

No where near big enough.

Compare the hole created in green bit, to the size of greenbit and then greenbit compared to the size of Dressrosa.

Birdcage is all over Dressrosa. A meteor would be very tiny compared to it.

Edit: just like i brought up a week ago or so. Yes they would be sliced either way.

ICEMAN

I don't think Fujitora will be sending any meteor any time soon. It would be too much risk, for the people of Dessrosa.
Pus, they don't know the nature of the strings surrounding Dressrosa.

Darth

@Flipper:

No where near big enough.

Compare the hole created in green bit, to the size of greenbit and then greenbit compared to the size of Dressrosa.

Birdcage is all over Dressrosa. A meteor would be very tiny compared to it.

Edit: just like i brought up a week ago or so. Yes they would be sliced either way.

His meteors are big enough. Or rather they would've been, if One Piece subscribed to regular laws of physics.

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@Flipper:

Fujitora has consistently been using the same sized meteors. Im sure he has a 'cap' as to how big he can spawn one. So meteor has got nothing on the birdcage whatsoever.

Question: How exactly are you sure of that?

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@Flipper:

Just wait until Fuji has to go up against a Yonkou.

Edit: Or even Doflamingo.

Hello, let's not start that stupid discussion again, okay?

maxpower69

@Flipper:

No where near big enough.

Compare the hole created in green bit, to the size of greenbit and then greenbit compared to the size of Dressrosa.

Birdcage is all over Dressrosa. A meteor would be very tiny compared to it.

Edit: just like i brought up a week ago or so. Yes they would be sliced either way.

Don't think he's stupid enough to try and take out the cage all at once with a meteor. He'd kill everyone on Dressrosa.

zachri

@isrnick:

I haven't been reading much of the threads lately, not much free time, so yeah I imagine that lots of people posted it…

Nah think I saw it either in another thread or an entirely different website most likely tumblr tbh, so np bruh.

madriano

I'm sure if Fuji's meteors could pass through the Birdcage without being sliced, they wouldn't help to much because they would end up killing a bunch of people.

zachri

Also are peeps seriously thinking a meteor could take out the Birdcage when we've seen Doflamingo previously use his strings to frick up a meteor to avoid getting swomped.

Flipper Pride

@Darth:

His meteors are big enough. Or rather they would've been, if One Piece subscribed to regular laws of physics.

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Question: How exactly are you sure of that?

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Hello, let's not start that stupid discussion again, okay?

Don't think Fujitora is the top admiral that can stomp on Doflamingo without a fight.

Physics? What does physics have to do with anything?

http://www.onemanga.me/one-piece/713/8/

Middle panel at the top. With the meteor angle you can see half of Dressrosa. Now see that wee little thin line? That's the iron bridge. Now see that wee little island? That's greenbit. Now look at that island and then look at Dressrosa.

The meteor caused a hole on that island no? Look at how tiny the little beach is there. Now go with a pencil or a needle and point touch green bits beach. There's your crater.

Simple geography (not even) is all.

Now compare that spec to the birdcage all over Dressrosa? See my point?

If you go to chapter 724 and you skip to when Fujitora was throwing meteors to the sunny you can see when Law deflects it back the meteor is probably 1/4 the size of a marine battleship.

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@maxpower69:

Don't think he's stupid enough to try and take out the cage all at once with a meteor. He'd kill everyone on Dressrosa.

You guys are over estimating his meteors.

The meteor is only a speck compared to the birdcage.

It's not even 4 x smaller than a marine battle ship. Read what i wrote above.

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@zachri:

Also are peeps seriously thinking a meteor could
take out the Birdcage when we've seen Doflamingo previously use his strings to frick up a meteor to avoid getting swomped.

I've already proven that it cannot and everyone seems to agree.

The point Im proving is that his meteors are actually not even near big as greenbit let alone Dressrosa.

Darth

@Flipper:

Don't think Fujitora is the top admiral that can stomp on Doflamingo without a fight.

Physics? What does physics have to do with anything?

http://www.onemanga.me/one-piece/713/8/

Middle panel at the top. With the meteor angle you can see half of Dressrosa. Now see that wee little thin line? That's the iron bridge. Now see that wee little island? That's greenbit. Now look at that island and then look at Dressrosa.

The meteor caused a hole on that island no? Look at how tiny the little beach is there. Now go with a pencil or a needle and point touch green bits beach. There's your crater.

Simple geography (not even) is all.

Now compare that spec to the birdcage all over Dressrosa? See my point?

If you go to chapter 724 and you skip to when Fujitora was throwing meteors to the sunny you can see when Law deflects it back the meteor is probably 1/4 the size of a marine battleship.

And that's what I mean by One Piece not subscribing to the physics. Considering it impacted in one whole piece, and that it entered atmosphere, clearly, plus it's speed. Unless either laws of physics are radically different from ours, or their meteors are radically different from ours, the impact force of that thing would've been measured in hundreds of kilotons of TNT. It should've wiped Green Bit clean, and burst every window in Dressrosa at least.

Admirals always get screwed up when it comes to the realistic portrayl of their powers.

And we have ranking among Admirals now? Fujitora is somehow weaker then all of the others?

Flipper Pride

@Darth:

And that's what I mean by One Piece not subscribing to the physics. Considering it impacted in one whole piece, and that it entered atmosphere, clearly, plus it's speed. Unless either laws of physics are radically different from ours, or their meteors are radically different from ours, the impact force of that thing would've been measured in hundreds of kilotons of TNT. It should've wiped Green Bit clean, and burst every window in Dressrosa at least.

Admirals always get screwed up when it comes to the realistic portrayl of their powers.

And we have ranking among Admirals now? Fujitora is somehow weaker then all of the others?

I have no idea what you are trying to tell me with physics.

Simple. The meteor is small. Very small. Very very small.

Oh i wasn't saying top as in the highest rank. It's like when you talk to someone you say "that guy thinks he is top shit" if you know what i mean.

The main thing i was saying with that is, is even if Fujitora could defeat Doflamingo (we can't say much now), he would not be able to beat him without getting badly injured.

Edit: i am no gonna partake in any Fujitora vs Doflamingo discussions. Meteors or nothing.

skorpion

@Flipper:

What is Manshelly people are talking about?

Just a simple question, isn't her name "Monsheri"? As in "my love" in french? I hate the L - R in the japanese translations but this seems more fitting no?

Flipper Pride

@skorpion:

Just a simple question, isn't her name "Monsheri"? As in "my love" in french? I hate the L - R in the japanese translations but this seems more fitting no?

I am not the person to ask :sad: i only really remembered or found out who it was today. Was on my mind so i just asked in whichever way i remembered her name.

Anything suits me.

D Restlin

@Flipper:

I have no idea what you are trying to tell me with physics.

Simple. The meteor is small. Very small. Very very small.

Oh i wasn't saying top as in the highest rank. It's like when you talk to someone you say "that guy thinks he is top shit" if you know what i mean.

The main thing i was saying with that is, is even if Fujitora could defeat Doflamingo (we can't say much now), he would not be able to beat him without getting badly injured.

Edit: i am no gonna partake in any Fujitora vs Doflamingo discussions. Meteors or nothing.

With physics he try to tell you something like that : the meteor you saw in Green bit, was big enough to almost destroy entirely both islands. The meteorite that killed dinosaurs wasn't that bigger. And are you idoflamingo? Your love for DD is over the top like his. Fujitora can own him easily, as Aokiji was. Hope you will stick here long enough, so i can see your reaction when Luffy owns DD in the end of this arc

flandrian15

@Flipper:

Don't think Fujitora is the top admiral that can stomp on Doflamingo without a fight.

Physics? What does physics have to do with anything?

http://www.onemanga.me/one-piece/713/8/

Middle panel at the top. With the meteor angle you can see half of Dressrosa. Now see that wee little thin line? That's the iron bridge. Now see that wee little island? That's greenbit. Now look at that island and then look at Dressrosa.

The meteor caused a hole on that island no? Look at how tiny the little beach is there. Now go with a pencil or a needle and point touch green bits beach. There's your crater.

Simple geography (not even) is all.

Now compare that spec to the birdcage all over Dressrosa? See my point?

If you go to chapter 724 and you skip to when Fujitora was throwing meteors to the sunny you can see when Law deflects it back the meteor is probably 1/4 the size of a marine battleship.

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You guys are over estimating his meteors.

The meteor is only a speck compared to the birdcage.

It's not even 4 x smaller than a marine battle ship. Read what i wrote above.

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I've already proven that it cannot and everyone seems to agree.

The point Im proving is that his meteors are actually not even near big as greenbit let alone Dressrosa.

Well, Let's see. The meteor that presumably wiped the dinosaurs of the face of the earth was about 4 to 6 kilometers in diameter. This did extreme damage to the earth and the force it hit with would be comparable to 100 million megatons of TNT. So compare that relatively small size to the earth and then compare the meteor that hit Green Bit to the size of Dressrosa. If the meteor would have enough speed (which is the actual force doing the damage, more so than size) it would completely obliterate the Island as a whole, which Fujitora would never do seeing he won't hurt innocent civilians.You can't say where the limit of Fuji's power lies and seeing how OP some powers already are (Pica?, Doffy?) it could just as well be that he can pluck small planets out of space for all we know. I wouldn't put it past him seeing he is a marine admiral. Than there's the fact that he can probably control gravity so if he pulls the meteur in with greater force, the speed and thus the impact will increase exponentially.

Flipper Pride

@D:

With physics he try to tell you something like that : the meteor you saw in Green bit, was big enough to almost destroy entirely both islands. The meteorite that killed dinosaurs wasn't that bigger. And are you idoflamingo? Your love for DD is over the top like his. Fujitora can own him easily, as Aokiji was. Hope you will stick here long enough, so i can see your reaction when Luffy owns DD in the end of this arc

Again with this IDoflamingo stuff..

My reaction at the end of the Arc would be Doflamingo has been defeated hooray after a good fight that satisfies anyone. Im not pointing out my love for a character i am just stating facts that I've read and analysed from the manga. People seem to be agreeing so yea.

Birty

You have no proof indicating Fuji cannot pull larger meteorites down, it's just all speculation and guess work. My guess is that every meteorite will be a different size just as every meteorite that is out there in space is a different size.

Flipper Pride

@flandrian15:

Well, Let's see. The meteor that presumably wiped the dinosaurs of the face of the earth was about 4 to 6 kilometers in diameter. This did extreme damage to the earth and the force it hit with would be comparable to 100 million megatons of TNT. So compare that relatively small size to the earth and then compare the meteor that hit Green Bit to the size of Dressrosa. If the meteor would have enough speed (which is the actual force doing the damage, more so than size) it would completely obliterate the Island as a whole, which Fujitora would never do seeing he won't hurt innocent civilians.You can't say where the limit of Fuji's power lies and seeing how OP some powers already are (Pica?, Doffy?) it could just as well be that he can pluck small planets out of space for all we know. I wouldn't put it past him seeing he is a marine admiral. Than there's the fact that he can probably control gravity so if he pulls the meteur in with greater force, the speed and thus the impact will increase exponentially.

We can't talk about limits of course. But what i will say is why didnt Fujitora create a bigger meteor to completely crush the sunny out of oblivion. All there was under him and the sunny was water.

I was never talking about impacts and the damage.

What Im talking about is, is that these meteors are really tiny. People think they're as big as Dressrosa even. That's my point.

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@Birty:

You have no proof indicating Fuji cannot pull larger meteorites down, it's just all speculation and guess work. My guess is that every meteorite will be a different size just as every meteorite that is out there in space is a different size.

You talk as if you know they come out from space.

Fujitora on two occasions has consistently pulled out the exact same size meteors. That's my proof.

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Not to mention it doesn't matter the size. They will get sliced up anyways.