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      Powermanga finally has the last chapter!

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        Powermanga finally has the last chapter!

        link? they stopped updating the english releases on their site, and also stopped uploading to batoto..
        unless you mean that cnet128 has put the translation up on mangahelpers, but it's been up since the 30th..

        EDIT: scratch that, apparently they switched sites completely and i just didn't know, lol.

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            link? they stopped updating the english releases on their site, and also stopped uploading to batoto..
            unless you mean that cnet128 has put the translation up on mangahelpers, but it's been up since the 30th..

            EDIT: scratch that, apparently they switched sites completely and i just didn't know, lol.

            Here : http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/745/page/1

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              as much as i appreciate the work they're doing to get the chapters out in HQ, they've stopped translating the sfx bubbles the past few chapters.. maybe i'm guess i'm just a nitpicker..

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              Here : http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/745/page/1

              thanks, i found it right before you posted it though, lol.

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                It's common sense.

                You can't activate DF abilities if you don't have the will to do so. And the only way to have a will is to be a living being.

                brook was dead 😛

                "I'm simply an accident. Why take it all so seriously?"

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                  Who said that? Just probably the object wouldn't be able to activate it's power. I wish Vegapunk will come allready and explain how they feed the DF to objects.

                  And yea, the weapon theory will probably crumble as soon as Fuji explains his powers. Which I hope will happen soon, maybe when he help destroy the birdcage.

                  he manipulates gravity.

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                    It would've been cool if Luffy had asked Law to cut him in half to fight the two Doflamingos, we've already seen that Kinemon could control each part separately.

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                      It would've been cool if Luffy had asked Law to cut him in half to fight the two Doflamingos, we've already seen that Kinemon could control each part separately.

                      Eh, not worth it. That would affect his mobility and would need some time to get used to.

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                        he manipulates gravity.

                        I would love if his powers would be not solely gravity based, but rather space based.

                        I only because he would then have a space space fruit and be a spaceman 😁

                        Because, being honest, being solely gravity based seems kinda… minimalistic.

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                          he manipulates gravity.

                          Thank you Sherlock.

                          Nani?

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                            It's common sense.

                            You can't activate DF abilities if you don't have the will to do so. And the only way to have a will is to be a living being.

                            Actually there´s a small detail in One Piece that might go against this theory and that aspect is "The voice of all things". If everything has a specific "voice", "aura", "sense" and devil fruit application depends on such a sense then for all we know a non zoan fruit could be held by an object, just that because neither of us can hear "The voice of all things" nor see it wouldn´t mean that its "voice" wouldn't be changing. I know the concept is a bit abstract and surrealistic, but well it could still be applied…


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                              Actually there´s a small detail in One Piece that might go against this theory and that aspect is "The voice of all things". If everything has a specific "voice", "aura", "sense" and devil fruit application depends on such a sense then for all we know a non zoan fruit could be held by an object, just that because neither of us can hear "The voice of all things" nor see it wouldn´t mean that its "voice" wouldn't be changing. I know the concept is a bit abstract and surrealistic, but well it could still be applied…

                              It still would be a waste as the conscience in question would belong to the object, not its owner.

                              Fujitora wouldn't be able to manipulate gravity at will. He would have to hope that his sword would be feeling like manipulating the gravity for him (which doesn't make sense).

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                                Actually there´s a small detail in One Piece that might go against this theory and that aspect is "The voice of all things". If everything has a specific "voice", "aura", "sense" and devil fruit application depends on such a sense then for all we know a non zoan fruit could be held by an object, just that because neither of us can hear "The voice of all things" nor see it wouldn´t mean that its "voice" wouldn't be changing. I know the concept is a bit abstract and surrealistic, but well it could still be applied…

                                It's abstract and doesn't explain a thing really.
                                The reason why we only saw objects with zoan DF's is that, for an abject to actually use a DF it should have some sort of conciousness to use it in the first place. Seeing zoans are actual animals, the object gets the will of the animal while logias and paramecias are related to non-living things that have no conciousness or awareness, regardless of the voice of all things. Hence rendering them useless.

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                                  Geez. Why are you guys trying to take out one of the few good things from regular Zoan fruits?

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                                    @King:

                                    It still would be a waste as the conscience in question would belong to the object, not its owner.

                                    Fujitora wouldn't be able to manipulate gravity at will. He would have to hope that his sword would be feeling like manipulating the gravity for him (which doesn't make sense).

                                    Not If you tame it

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                                      Not If you tame it

                                      Because that makes perfect sense.

                                      Also, having a breath/sense/presence doesn't mean having a conscience.

                                      Not to mention that Fujitora would become heavily dependent of his sword in that case.

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                                        Because that makes perfect sense.

                                        Well in manga where you can overpower a persons will by using your own, it does makes sense!

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                                          Not to mention that Fujitora would become heavily dependent of his sword in that case.

                                          That would not be exactly pleasant, if his main source of power was an object and not his personal skills.

                                          Altough I wonder what kind of fighting style he would use without it… perhaps something based on joint locks supported by gravity? That would be effective, I think

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                                            We're all remembering that Fujitora's blind, right?
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                                            Well in manga where you can overpower a persons will by using your own, it does makes sense!

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                                              Not If you tame it

                                              it would also need to read fujitora's mind though,since he never speaks to the sword,yet he always obtain the result he wants

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                                                it would also need to rerad fujitora's mind though,since he never speaks to the sword,yet he always obtain the result he wants

                                                maybe it is reading through the minds. You don't see basketball players say "run up and i'll throw this ball to you for an alley oop" they communicate through sheer trust.

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                                                  Just skimming the latest pages i couldn't help but remember that a few months ago Pica was supposed to be this minor roadblock that Sauron would insta-slash on his way to his showdown with the admiral. And now Pica is the invincible roadblock that not even purple guy could force through.

                                                  How quickly the times change

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                                                    @King:

                                                    It still would be a waste as the conscience in question would belong to the object, not its owner.

                                                    Fujitora wouldn't be able to manipulate gravity at will. He would have to hope that his sword would be feeling like manipulating the gravity for him (which doesn't make sense).

                                                    Indeed. I wasn´t refering to Fujitora´s particular case. It was just my whole take on the zoan-imbue object topic from my viewpoint. As for Fujitora´s power I believe he´s the one controlling gravity and not his sword

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                                                    It's abstract and doesn't explain a thing really.
                                                    The reason why we only saw objects with zoan DF's is that, for an abject to actually use a DF it should have some sort of conciousness to use it in the first place. Seeing zoans are actual animals, the object gets the will of the animal while logias and paramecias are related to non-living things that have no conciousness or awareness, regardless of the voice of all things. Hence rendering them useless.

                                                    To be fair how many objects+df have we seen. I recall Lassoo,Smiley and FunkFreet but that´s about it.Granted those are way more than the other combination choices which ammount to cero. I´m also not saying that this theory is false, but that there is that one thing "The voice of all things" that has been portrayed once and again that might play against it in the future, nothing more nothing less. And btw if a rock has a "voice" there´s no way to know if it has "awareness". Just because it cannot move or yell it doesn´t mean that it doesn´t know whats going on, but yeah this is me being altruistic and entering the surreal world once again


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                                                      Fujitoras Devil fruit probably evolves around the idea that his sword conducts the moves, kind of like Law.

                                                      But Fujitora having a personal devil fruit and and his sword would be quite awesome, I like the thought of 2 strong powers being used by one.

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                                                        @vagabond87:

                                                        It would make sense if few of them would not have any DF power yet I think that Oda might have plan to make Mingos crew entirely DF users, of course I can be wrong.

                                                        Lao G seems to be bit weirdly strong for his age with his legs shaking

                                                        ! http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140129130046/onepiece/images/5/52/Lao_G_Manga_Infobox.png he is hinted to be around Gladius in therms of power. Given that he barely sees, his legs are shaking etc I say his ranking would surely make more sense with some Devil Fruit power. Those arrows on him somehow remind me of electricity-related drawings. Bottom one looks like simple arrow and upper one looks like its made out of two lightenings.
                                                        One hand can be open circuit and one can be closed circuit.

                                                        G symbol in electricity is conductance, measured in siemens by wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admittance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_(unit)

                                                        So who knows if its not G for generator or something related to conduction of power. We seen almost nothing and I do expect him to have some Devil Fruit but with hints that we were given till now its close to impossible even to try and guess what kind of power Lao G has if he has one.

                                                        How about the ability to manipulate brightness?

                                                        Like, being able to make his surroundings either too bright or too dark, like an enclosed room with a lightbulb that could be turned on and off. Could also be a reference to how people are able to manipulate the brightness of stuff like TVs and computers.

                                                        Notice how his body shape vaguely resembles a lightbulb. Also, it would fit with his shadowed eyes.

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                                                          How about the ability to manipulate brightness?

                                                          Like, being able to make his surroundings either too bright or too dark, like an enclosed room with a lightbulb that could be turned on and off. Could also be a reference to how people are able to manipulate the brightness of stuff like TVs and computers.

                                                          Notice how his body shape vaguely resembles a lightbulb. Also, it would fit with his shadowed eyes.

                                                          I dunno. We had Kizaru blinding his enemies with his light but we had nobody who would be able to turn places completely dark(or maybe we did with Blackbeard and his darkness sucking in even light).

                                                          Also I dont know if you are serious 👅 I dont trust you after all the picking 😉

                                                          Though good catch with Fujitora using gravity without his sword while eating- I thought that maybe Vegapunk imbued some weapons with powers of devil fruit- but after what you pointed out I think its clear that it was Fujitora himself being Devil Fruit user.

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                                                            If I had to guess what "voice of all things" is, I'd say it's being able to hear the will of all things, like the poneglyphs created by the people whose will was to leave their message behind. Luffy being able to hear the will of the Sea Kings who told him to stop from destroying Noah. It might be a "D" thing, maybe even the Will of D, or possibly it's just a higher form of CoO.

                                                            Either way, I thought of something.. while Zoan fruits are the only ones that has been shown to being activated after being "eaten" by objects - which makes sense due to the consciousness that comes with the fruits. But now I do wonder if cursed swords can play a role in being able to activate other types of Devil Fruits, with Zoro mentioning that the Kitetsu has a mind of it's own.

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                                                              maybe he is just a normal swordsman that wields a sword that ate a devil fruit. He is probably the admiral that zoro will be fighting one day. Luffy is with Akainu and possibly Sanji is with Kizaru. The next uknown admiral would probably be up against Usopp.

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                                                                maybe he is just a normal swordsman that wields a sword that ate a devil fruit. He is probably the admiral that zoro will be fighting one day. Luffy is with Akainu and possibly Sanji is with Kizaru. The next uknown admiral would probably be up against Usopp.

                                                                Usopp?Really? Not a chance.

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                                                                  Usopp?Really? Not a chance.

                                                                  Well in the end they will have surpassed roger so i can't see why not later on.

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                                                                    Usopp?Really? Not a chance.

                                                                    There always seems to be 3 strong enemy subordinates and their 1 boss and Usopp takes on one of the subordinants like in arlong park and perona in thriller bark. There is also several other arcs, but our current day dressrosa, it almost seems as if Trebol a sniper will be fighting Usopp again.

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                                                                      Well in the end they will have surpassed roger so i can't see why not later on.

                                                                      The only two people who will surpass Roger in the SH crew in the future are Luffy and maybe Zoro.

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                                                                        Well in the end they will have surpassed roger so i can't see why not later on.

                                                                        My eyes bleed 👅

                                                                        Ussop at end of story being strong enough to run away from an admiral would be maximum of what I expect 👅 Or stall him for some time with his plants/etc. CLOSE TO END of ONE PIECE.

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                                                                          There always seems to be 3 strong enemy subordinates and their 1 boss and Usopp takes on one of the subordinants like in arlong park and perona in thriller bark. There is also several other arcs, but our current day dressrosa, it almost seems as if Trebol a sniper will be fighting Usopp again.

                                                                          It's likely that Usopp's out right now, as is Sanji so that example doesn't really work. If we're being technical, Zoro fought Ryuuma who was a General Zombie, Chopper was the one who fought Hogback but Oars was the one who "defeated" him and Nami finished off Absalom.

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                                                                            The only two people who will surpass Roger in the SH crew in the future are Luffy and maybe Zoro.

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                                                                            My eyes bleed 👅

                                                                            Ussop at end of story being strong enough to run away from an admiral would be maximum of what I expect 👅 Or stall him for some time with his plants/etc. CLOSE TO END of ONE PIECE.

                                                                            I think you guys took it the wrong way. I don't mean that they ALL will surpass roger. I mean people like Usopp would be able to fight on par with an Admiral or maybe slightly under.

                                                                            Usopp has got so much potential but his self doubt and almost no confidence makes him not able to progress further on in terms of power.

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                                                                              I think you guys took it the wrong way. I don't mean that they ALL will surpass roger. I mean people like Usopp would be able to fight on par with an Admiral or maybe slightly under.

                                                                              Usopp has got so much potential but his self doubt and almost no confidence makes him not able to progress further on in terms of power.

                                                                              He does progress alright in therms of skill and power but with his being scaredycat is only thing that stops him from being very impressive.
                                                                              I didnt understood you wrong- you said that Ussop at end of story will as member of Pirate King crew will surpass Rogers crew in a way.

                                                                              My comment was on what I am reading starting with bouncyhippo writting that Ussop might fight Admiral in future in one on one and later you wrote about Luffys crew surpassing Rogers crew(sure they will) but it doesnt make sense for Ussop to be able to have fight with an admiral, even AT THE end of story.

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                                                                                He does progress alright in therms of skill and power but with his being scaredycat is only thing that stops him from being very impressive.
                                                                                I didnt understood you wrong- you said that Ussop at end of story will as member of Pirate King crew will surpass Rogers crew in a way.

                                                                                My comment was on what I am reading starting with bouncyhippo writting that Ussop might fight Admiral in future in one on one and later you wrote about Luffys crew surpassing Rogers crew(sure they will) but it doesnt make sense for Ussop to be able to have fight with an admiral, even after end of story.

                                                                                Oh im glad you understood me.

                                                                                Yeah i think that anyone bellow Luffy, Zoro & Sanji (LZS) will be the ones to take care of elite fodder like vice admirals. (they will be fodder at the end). But if an Admiral wants to have a crack at Usopp, he could hold him off for however long he can

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                                                                                I don't mean as in a final showdown fight. Im kind of talking like after the pirate king stuff happens. Lets say Usopp is having an adventure on an island by himself and someone like Kizaru comes up.

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                                                                                  Oh im glad you understood me.

                                                                                  Yeah i think that anyone bellow Luffy, Zoro & Sanji (LZS) will be the ones to take care of elite fodder like vice admirals. (they will be fodder at the end). But if an Admiral wants to have a crack at Usopp, he could hold him off for however long he can

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                                                                                  I don't mean as in a final showdown fight. Im kind of talking like after the pirate king stuff happens. Lets say Usopp is having an adventure on an island by himself and someone like Kizaru comes up.

                                                                                  When its just Ussop vs Kizaru then Ussop would be very lucky to escape alive. VERY lucky. Ussop at end of One Piece. Only chance for that Ussop to escape from an admiral would be if admirals name would be Coby 👅

                                                                                  Strength of Rogers and Luffys crew is that they are/were teams of very talented people. There were other crews with people as strong as them or very close to it but strength of strawhats comes out of their bonds.
                                                                                  For example Luffy would fall in Enies Lobby if not for his willpower directed into saving his nakamas and sailing with them. Luffy fights for people and for his dreams. They all believe in each other and thats also is giving each of them boost. As individuals they are not THAT strong- they will be as strong as possible for humans and they will have some equals in other crews but that bonds between them should give them an edge.

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                                                                                    Am i the only one that has weird gut feelings coming into every new chapter and spoilers?

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                                                                                      @Flipper:

                                                                                      Am i the only one that has weird gut feelings coming into every new chapter and spoilers?

                                                                                      Yes you are only one 👅

                                                                                      I was reading spoilers for previous chapter and I was sorry that I did. Chapter felt so so instead of feeling great. After few months of not checking spoilers it was pretty weird to read chap knowing what will happen.
                                                                                      So quit spoilers this week.
                                                                                      Seems like somebody closed Razh thread for no good reason though.. Thread for people that try to avoid looking up spoilers.

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                                                                                        @vagabond87:

                                                                                        Yes you are only one 👅

                                                                                        I was reading spoilers for previous chapter and I was sorry that I did. Chapter felt so so instead of feeling great. After few months of not checking spoilers it was pretty weird to read chap knowing what will happen.
                                                                                        So quit spoilers this week.
                                                                                        Seems like somebody closed Razh thread for no good reason though.. Thread for people that try to avoid looking up spoilers.

                                                                                        I think the reason Im scared is because i don't want Doflamingo to get owned yet. Just a few more characters to stomp on and ill be happy.

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                                                                                          @_Hayato:

                                                                                          It's likely that Usopp's out right now, as is Sanji so that example doesn't really work. If we're being technical, Zoro fought Ryuuma who was a General Zombie, Chopper was the one who fought Hogback but Oars was the one who "defeated" him and Nami finished off Absalom.

                                                                                          because Ryuuma and Zoro both use swords to fight, so Fujitora and Zoro would be a likely match in the future. Doctor Hogback was Chopper's idol, Sanji fought Absalom 99% of the time so he was technically his opponent. How I determined the uknown admiral would be up against Usopp is because they belong to the real make up of the SH pirates. The originals are Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp and Sanji. The story also seems to center around these 5 indivisuals more often than the others. Chopper, Robin, Franky and Brook almost seem like side characters to fill up the core group.

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                                                                                            Flipper Pride @vagabond87
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                                                                                            The best time i never read spoilers was in 723. How amazed and shocked i was seeing that clash between Sanji and Doffy.

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                                                                                              Flipper Pride, you very much reminds me of idoflamingo, anyone?

                                                                                              Spoiler:

                                                                                              be my nakama!

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                                                                                                @Jerome:

                                                                                                Flipper Pride, you very much reminds me of idoflamingo, anyone?

                                                                                                I am not the darth of Doflamingo..

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                                                                                                  Will it be a chapter this week or we have to wait one more week ? 😕

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                                                                                                    @Monkey:

                                                                                                    Will it be a chapter this week

                                                                                                    16 chars of yes .

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                                                                                                      16 chars of yes .

                                                                                                      YES!!! Thank you:D

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                                                                                                        Should i wait for spoilers or go to sleep?

                                                                                                        It's very unpredictable as to when they come out and i don't wanna be up still at 3 am waiting when intact they come out in around 24 hours time.

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