One Piece Chapter 744 - Revolutionary Army Chief Advisor

wolfwood

is it just me, or have the doflamingo crew been utter failures so far

trebol failed to protect sugar
diamante failed to protect the mera mera no mi
pica failed to stop the intruders
sugar got knocked out
jora failed to kidnap momonosuke and got kidnapped
vergo and monet got pwnt and failed to stop caesar getting kidnapped or the sad plant getting destroyed
baby 5 and buffalo failed to retrieve caesar
buffalo got one shotted by kyros
senor pink, machvise and dellinger failed to gain entry to the toy house even with a va's help

factory's about to be destroyed too

Eh it's to be expected when they're fighting the heroes.

The only dissapointment i've had so far is that there really doesn't seem to be all that much else to the special ops team other than brute force and transportation. I mean compare them to mr.3, that ugly mug was a special ops dude, that guy planned and took advantage of the people and their surroundings like nobody else. I would've expected something like that from them too.

Magi

@King:

How can you call me a wanker when you are the one saying that Zoro could one-shot anyone not called Fujitora and started getting defensive about Zoro's performance so far?

I didn't say Zoro can one-shot anything except Lao G, which he can. I didn't get defensive, I merely "corrected" you about Zoro's performance. If anyone is getting defensive it's you since you were so quick to pull the victim card.

just want to see a good fight for Zoro. I'm just saying that Lao G could be a good opponent.

How can you say Lao G wouldn't be a good opponent, yet claim that he can give Zoro a good fight? Anyone can give you a number of reasons why Lao G isn't as strong or why Zoro isn't as weak as you're claiming but if can't see the obvious then there's no point.

Farsighted Annie

Yup, Senor Pink, Machivise and Dellinger did their jobs and Franky at the moment could use some time to rest. With Sabo, Hack, Koala, Rebecca and Barto coming down. I wouldn't be surprise to see another set of match up happening . I would totally enjoy seeing Hack and Koala fighting and to see if Sabo creates some new techniques. He needs to break in his new powers and test them out.

wolfwood

Didn't Hack cripple himself like an hour ago in-universe time?

Urouge

@King:

Zoro fighting Bastille or Fujitora would be stupid as the Marines are bound to switch sides and/or protect the civilians anyway.

Luffy and Zoro fighting with Wiper would've been stupid because his top priority was Enel. So it wouldn't help anything, and in fact just be counterproductive, if they were to fight him. See how easily this line of reasoning falls apart?

OP is a ride, man. It has twists and turns and unexpected bumps in the road. It's not a linear progression towards a specific goal.

@wolfwood:

Didn't Hack cripple himself like an hour ago in-universe time?

His arm is all bandaged up this chapter from its fight with Bart's barrier.

wolfwood

Just a wild, really out there, guess, but prehaps we'll see Don Chinjao's son pop up in the chaos. I mean assuming that they've sent in people before he could've been toyified and forgotten about…...Oh wait if he was then Don wouldn't remember them being his grandchildren right? Or would he?

The memory wipe is still confusing me at times lol

gottalt3OP

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gottalt3OP

@Sereques:

Taschigi couldn't even pulled out her arms in Smokey body. Took her a while, well maybe it's more difficult because it wasn't her body.

Or maybe, the fact that Sabo is a complete total badass means he can control it more easily. I mean, he's a master of Haki, he sould have good control over his body.

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@Darth:

As I said, meh. I understand the argument, but it's still annoying to me.

And Sabo feels annoyingly sueish because of it. I'm sorry, but he does. And I feel people are too forgiving of it, because he is Sabo, and for no other reason.

Why does Sabo feel Sueish? He was introduced as a strong character, so he'll obviously win any battle. Saying Sabo is Sueish is like saying Ace was sueish back when he was introduced. He's simply not fighting people on his level.
We've seen Akuma no Mi users fight within hours of consuming their DF without many problems (Think Kaku and Kalifa), and it's not like he's doing it effortlessly, he used way more fire than he wanted, and got scared because of it.

Being a Mary Sue means EVERYTHING goes your way. It's quite harsh to call someone a mary sue when they've only done a single thing. Would you call Luffy a Mary Sue when he defeated Alvidia and her pirates without effort? It's about the same thing. Sabo simply destroyed the ring and jumped for the prize. Seeing as the ring was above the basement, everyone else was falling a bit too much to do anything about it.

Urouge

Tashigi being unable to control Smoker's body the way she did was obviously a gag scene. People make way too much out of those.

@wolfwood:

Just a wild, really out there, guess, but prehaps we'll see Don Chinjao's son pop up in the chaos. I mean assuming that they've sent in people before he could've been toyified and forgotten about…...Oh wait if he was then Don wouldn't remember them being his grandchildren right? Or would he?

The memory wipe is still confusing me at times lol

I'm pretty sure he'd remember that they were his grandchildren and simply forget that there was someone in between. Like all those people who forgot they had a father, or husband, or whatever else. Characters applying logic to realize that someone was clearly missing just never seemed to be a thing at all.

Though after he forgot his grandchildren, the grandchildren he "never had" were all he seemed to care about anyway. So as much as I'd like you to be right about this, it does seem to lean towards the unlikely side a bit. But I do I like the idea.

King Cannon

@Magi:

I didn't say Zoro can one-shot anything except Lao G, which he can. I didn't get defensive, I merely "corrected" you about Zoro's performance. If anyone is getting defensive it's you since you were so quick to pull the victim card. How can you say Lao G wouldn't be a good opponent, yet claim that he can give Zoro a good fight? Anyone can give you a number of reasons why Lao G isn't as strong or why Zoro isn't as weak as you're claiming but if can't see the obvious then there's no point.

That doesn't make sense as I didn't say that he "wouldn't" be a good opponent for Zoro. He could be if Oda wanted.

When I said Zoro did badly, I meant Zoro wasn't making any significant progress against Fuji or Pica. I dunno what is this victim card you're talking about. You're the one who started accusing for whatever reason.

And how can you be so sure that Zoro would be able to one-shot Lao G? Do you know what Lao G is capable of? Do we even know what Zoro is capable of? Do you have a Saiyan scouter that can see power levels?

gottalt3OP

@Darth:

Really? So he is stronger then Pre-Timeskip Ace without having any fruit?

That's what I mean when I say he is a Sue.

Rayleagh was stronger than timeskip ace without a Devil Fruit. Garp was stronger then pre-timeskip ace without having any fruit. Shanks was stronger than pre-timeskip Ace without having a fruit. Roger most likely didn't have any fruit. It's established that a lot of people are stronger than fruit users without actually having a fruit. Why is Sabo the only Sue?

Aaronrules380

So I have the most important question this chapter brings up: Does Kuzan eating shaved ice make him a cannibal?

Shadowgreed

@King:

Because you totally know how strong Lao G is, right? He could give Zoro a good fight if Oda wanted.

Zoro already did badly against Fuji and Pica.

Did bad against Fuji and Pica, he countered an Admiral attack and then had a little skirmish with somebody that flee in the middle of the battle, how the heck is that doing bad or where you expecting him to take a walk down the park with those two?

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@King:

Zoro fighting Bastille or Fujitora would be stupid as the Marines are bound to switch sides and/or protect the civilians anyway.

And now you're assuming that they will let a Strawhat get away, just because they have to protect the civilians.

King Cannon

@Shadowgreed:

Did bad against Fuji and Pica, he countered an Admiral attack and then had a little skirmish with somebody that flee in the middle of the battle, how the heck is that doing bad or where you expecting him to take a walk down the park with those two?

Ok, "badly" wasn't the right word. More like he didn't do anything significant.

@Shadowgreed:

And now you're assuming that they will let a Strawhat get away, just because they have to protect the civilians.

Well, I don't really see the point of a fight between Zoro and the Marines at the moment. Zoro should be concentrating on the Donquixote Pirates and helping the Dwarves and the Royal Family into rescuing Dressrosa.

Especially with Fuji and Bastille being so far away from Zoro's location.

Shadowgreed

@King:

Ok, "badly" wasn't the right word. More like he didn't do anything significant.

Fear enough!

Well, I don't really see the point of a fight between Zoro and the Marines at the moment. Zoro should be concentrating on the Donquixote Pirates.

Especially with Fuji and Bastille being so far away from Zoro's location.

Again, I would be totally on board with your line of thinking IF you weren't talking about Zoro, at this point Zoro going after the Donquixote Family seems like the most reasonable thing to do, but will he have any chance at finding one of them that is not already involve in a fight, there's a tons of people wanting to chop those guys up right now and which one of them can actually put up a fight against Zoro besides the three seats? It took three of them to take down Franky, so go figured.

Kurloz

@gotta<3OP:

Why does Sabo feel Sueish? He was introduced as a strong character, so he'll obviously win any battle. Saying Sabo is Sueish is like saying Ace was sueish back when he was introduced. He's simply not fighting people on his level.

Not gonna try to speak for Darth but in my experience a lot of people feel that Sabo is "Stu-ish" because he's shoehorned in and comes off like an OC from ff.net. Debuted and "died" in a flashback after we get nearly 600 chapters into the story without any hints that a third brother who had an immense impact on Luffy and Ace's lives existed (Oda may have had him in mind with Ace's tattoo or changed his mind about the meaning of that later, but I hesitate to call that a hint as how were we supposed to deduce "Oh yeah Luffy and Sabo totally have a third brother" from that, it could've been anything). Ace was introduced as a cool guy in an early story arc, left, and had buildup surrounding his circumstances over the span of hundreds of chapters before his character came into focus.

Aaronrules380

@Kurloz:

Not gonna try to speak for Darth but in my experience a lot of people feel that Sabo is "Stu-ish" because he's shoehorned in and comes off like an OC from ff.net. Debuted and "died" in a flashback after we get nearly 600 chapters into the story without any hints that a third brother who had an immense impact on Luffy and Ace's lives existed (Oda may have had him in mind with Ace's tattoo or changed his mind about the meaning of that later, but I hesitate to call that a hint as how were we supposed to deduce "Oh yeah Luffy and Sabo totally have a third brother" from that, it could've been anything). Ace was introduced as a cool guy in an early story arc, left, and had buildup surrounding his circumstances over the span of hundreds of chapters before his character came into focus.

Technically Sabo was foreshadowed at one point with the three sake cups. Also, nobody who paid attention actually believed Sabo was dead for a second

King Cannon

@Urouge:

Luffy and Zoro fighting with Wiper would've been stupid because his top priority was Enel. So it wouldn't help anything, and in fact just be counterproductive, if they were to fight him. See how easily this line of reasoning falls apart?

OP is a ride, man. It has twists and turns and unexpected bumps in the road. It's not a linear progression towards a specific goal.

Sure, but what would be the point of Zoro fighting Fuji again?

That clash outside the Colosseum told us everything we should know. Fujitora was obviously superior, but Zoro was still strong enough to fight back and not get curbstomped.

Magi

@King:

That doesn't make sense and I didn't say that he "wouldn't" be a good opponent for Zoro. He could be if Oda wanted

That was my mistake I misread.

And how can you be so sure that Zoro would be able to one-shot Lao G? Do you know what Lao G is capable of? Do we even know what Zoro is capable of?

It took 3 officers to beat franky and even then they had help from the marines and their subordinates. Lao G isn't doing anything. We also already know that Zoro and co are stronger than Vergo who's on the same level as the 3 seats. Hell, Monet is the same rank as Lao G, probably even stronger yet Zoro broke her without doing a thing.

Zoro should be concentrating on the Donquixote Pirates and helping the Dwarves and the Royal Family into rescuing Dressrosa.

Zoro's only goal was to rescue Law. He has nothing to do with whatever you're talking about. That isn't even Luffy's goal. The marines have already agreed to help DD against the SH's. Do I really have to post the scans to remind you of that?

King Cannon

@Magi:

It took 3 officers to beat franky and even then they had help from the marines and their subordinates. Lao G isn't doing anything. We also already know that Zoro and co are stronger than Vergo who's on the same level as the 3 seats. Hell, Monet is the same rank as Lao G, probably even stronger yet Zoro broke her without doing a thing.

If he has a DF, that could help.

I just want that Kin'emon plotline to amount to something.

@Magi:

Zoro's only goal was to rescue Law. He has nothing to do with whatever you're talking about. The marines have already agreed to help DD against the SH's. Do I really have to post the scans to remind you of that?

In that case, maybe he will fight Pica again. Maybe a Blueno/Lucci situation.

I think a rematch with Fujitora is unlikely considering that Zoro already proved that he could fight back against an Admiral.

ICEMAN

Possible Dressrosa match ups:

-Lao G. vs. Kin'emon
-Zoro vs. Pica ( round 2)
-Donchinjao vs. Trebol (or Trebol gets gang banged)
-Dellinger vs. Blue Gilly (Kicker vs. kicker)
-Sabo vs. Burgess (Part 2)
-Bartolomeo vs. Diamante (After Diamante gets rid of all the fodder after him)
-Bastille vs. Cavendish
-Gladius vs. ?

Well hopefully we get to see the sunny team, next chapter.

Buggy D. Clown

marines agreed to help DD before but not anymore since the toys turned back & the memories returned of marines/friends/govt officials.

Urouge

@King:

Sure, but what would be the point of Zoro fighting Fuji again?

That clash outside the Colosseum told us everything we should know. Fujitora was obviously superior, but Zoro was still strong enough to fight back and not get curbstomped.

Well it's really hard to say without a crystal ball. But it's not like it's that hard to come up with one. It could be relatively simple like Fujitora needing an excuse to open up a giant hole down to the secret harbor. Or it could be more serious like Zoro needing an opponent strong enough to break one of his swords. Maybe it's needed for some tie in to Kanjuro. There's probably a ton of possibilities.

I certainly don't know whether Zoro will fight Fujitora any more in this arc or not. But I do assume that he'll get a real fight, and the list of options for a suitable opponent isn't exactly huge right now.

Monquito

@Urouge:

I do assume that he'll get a real fight, and the list of options for a suitable opponent isn't exactly huge right now.

I'm picturing Bobbin givin' Zoro a hard time actually.

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@ICEMAN:

Possible Dressrosa match ups:

-Bastille vs. Cavendish

Cabbage is quite strong but I don't know, I don't think he's as strong as Bastille should be.

Razh

@Magi:

It took 3 officers to beat franky and even then they had help from the marines and their subordinates.

That doesn't mean that 2 of them, for example, couldn't beat Franky. Just means they ganged up on him and overwhelmed him.

Flipper Pride

I think I've cracked Laws original plan but i dont know if it has been discussed.

Law has actually been playing Luffy and crew since the end of Punk Hazard. Law specifically let Smoker know where he was headed. Law wanted Smoker to call reinforcements to Dressrosa. They were actually supposed to help Law.

Law was using the Strawhats to destroy the factory, this was just something to keep the Strawhats busy whilst fulfilling his goals. Law wanted to get rid of him by abandoning him whilst Law did his own thing.

So here we come to chapter 713. Law, Fujitora and Doflamingo all arrive at the beach. Law gets the report that Doffy didnt quit the warlords and from then on it has been pure improvisation on his part.

Law at that moment was supposed to have an Admiral at the beach, he foreshadowed this. Smoker told the meeting place to Akainu, who was going to be there, and how strong their forces needed to be in order to arrest Doflamingo.

Law still wanted the factory destroyed. So from the moment that Fujitora asked Law if the Strawhats had allied or not, he said to himself "i need to stall them off" (or something along those lines). Law was prioritising what he wanted done. His original plan was infact to arrive there and tell Fujitora that he did not make an alliance with the Strawhats and would infact team up possibly with Fujitora and take Doflamingo down with huge help. His original answer was going to be "i have not allied with the Strawhats" therefore keeping his warlord status whereas Doflamingo would have lost it.

If Doflamingo did step down according to plan it would have been the opposite situation and Doflamingo would have been where Law was getting gangbanged.

He may have planned on actually having them captured or killed because he said in 743, "If you let me loose ill kill you".

Laws plan is only Doflamingo, i think that the reason he became a pirate was to take down Doflamingo, become a Shichibukai and infiltrate Doflamingos plants etc. Law has not shown any interest in actually becoming the pirate king but just to take down Doflamingo with the years of anger that had accumulated.

Law had reached up with DD at the end of 724 and said to himself "Stuff it, Im going all out". He did his very best but got destroyed easily.

Doffy

One question : how did Ace know about Luffy's father (Dragon) when he was talking with Garp ?

http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=525&index=1&page=2

Schabrak

@Urouge:

Tashigi being unable to control Smoker's body the way she did was obviously a gag scene. People make way too much out of those.

One could say she wasn't used to smoke. badum

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@Doffy:

One question : how did Ace know about Luffy's father (Dragon) when he was talking with Garp ?

http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=525&index=1&page=2

He heard their last names, Dragon wasn't exactly hiding his identity as everybody else, excluding Luffy, knew who he and Garp were.

Doffy

@Schabrak:

He heard their last names, Dragon wasn't exactly hiding his identity as everybody else, excluding Luffy, knew who he and Garp were.

Just one thing read this page and then talk

http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=432&index=1&page=17

And here another for u

http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=558&index=1&page=12

Schabrak

@Flipper:

I think I've cracked Laws original plan but i dont know if it has been discussed

Wasn't that clear to everyone reading the manga?

@Doffy:

Just one thing read this page and then talk

http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=432&index=1&page=17

That's a gag, 'everybody' having a reason to and brain to connect people with the same last names . The same happened with Luffy's crew learning about Garp geing his granddad. How could intelligent people not put one and one together, when those three with the exact same names and 'D.' in it are all world famous?

Doffy

@Schabrak:

Wasn't that clear to everyone reading the manga?

That's a gag, 'everybody' having a reason to and brain to connect people with the same last names . The same happened with Luffy's crew learning about Garp geing his granddad. How could intelligent people not put one and one together, when those three with the exact same names and 'D.' in it are all world famous?

Dragon was only known by His first name Dragon not monkey d dragon

Densuke

yeah, wasn't everyone but the highest ranking marines at the war surprised when they found out about luffy/dragon, and dragons last name in general?

Flipper Pride

@Schabrak:

One could say she wasn't used to smoke. badum

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He heard their last names, Dragon wasn't exactly hiding his identity as everybody else, excluding Luffy, knew who he and Garp were.

It is discussing the events leading to this moment. So which parts exactly were "obvious"?

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@Doffy:

Dragon was only known by His first name Dragon not monkey d dragon

But if the WG pretty much hates the D. Why didnt they see Garp any differently?

Razh

@Doffy:

Dragon was only known by His first name Dragon not monkey d dragon

Of course, you know that for sure. There's no way anyone Ace had met could have known Dragon's full name, not even people like, say Whitebeard, who knew Garp from old times. The information about Dragon was obscure, not top secret.

Just because Oda didn't elaborate or something specifically, it doesn't mean it's a plot hole.

Doffy

@Razh:

Of course, you know that for sure. There's no way anyone Ace had met could have known Dragon's full name, not even people like, say Whitebeard, who knew Garp from old times. The information about Dragon was obscure, not top secret.

Just because Oda didn't elaborate or something specifically, it doesn't mean it's a plot hole.

I only ask one question and I didn't say there is a plot hole

Shadowgreed

@Doffy:

Just one thing read this page and then talk

http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=432&index=1&page=17

And here another for u

http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=558&index=1&page=12

I'm currently reading the flashback looking for a page, where Garp mentioned something regarding this to Ace, I hope is not my imagination though

Doffy

@Shadowgreed:

I'm currently reading the flashback looking for a page, where Garp mentioned something regarding this to Ace, I hope is not my imagination though

Did u finish reading ?

Razh

@Doffy:

I only ask one question and I didn't say there is a plot hole

If I had to guess, I'd say Ace just heard a rumor from someone, then connected the dots. Like, someone said they heard Dragon was actually Garp's son. Not that hard to connect the dots after that, if he knows Garp is Luffy's grandfather and Luffy grew up without a mother and a father.

Doffy

@Razh:

If I had to guess, I'd say Ace just heard a rumor from someone, then connected the dots. Like, someone said they heard Dragon was actually Garp's son. Not that hard to connect the dots after that, if he knows Garp is Luffy's grandfather and Luffy grew up without a mother and a father.

Why we didn't say that Ace met Sabo and tell him everything he knows including dragon's stuff

Magi

@Buggy:

marines agreed to help DD before but not anymore since the toys turned back & the memories returned of marines/friends/govt officials.

"17 Doflamingo: Fufufu…Sounds to me like you’re saying... / “If you want to get rid of me, do it now”!! Fujitora: I wouldn’t be too hasty. // Let’s keep this civil for now, shall we? // I’m trying to protect your country. // No matter what flaws of this nation are about to be exposed... / I’ll turn a blind eye, so don’t you worry yourself. // This is the year of the Reverie." @Razh:

That doesn't mean that 2 of them, for example, couldn't beat Franky. Just means they ganged up on him and overwhelmed him.

Still, It took more than one with help to overwhelm him. He lasted a long time.

Shadowgreed

@Doffy:

Did u finish reading ?

It seems like it was my imagination after all.

vagabond87

@Shadowgreed:

It seems like it was my imagination after all.

Maybe it was anime or different translation because I remember something like Garp telling Luffy as well. Probably anime.

Razh

@Magi:

Still, It took more than one with help to overwhelm him. He lasted a long time.

No arguments there. Franky did what he was supposed to. If some of those Dofla crew ended up below, things would have turned bad.

I'm sure he would beat any of them, one on one. 2 or more, not so sure. He did pawn Buffalo and Baby 5 on his own, but he was in Shogun mode then.

huron

good translation
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/39692

Newgate

Poeple seem to forget about Marine reinforcements coming, or I probably have some memory troubles, I think Viola said that 4 Marine Battleships were coming to Dressrosa and I think Fuji said to Bastille to call some other battlships, so I definitely see some fights with the Marines, for the mugis and for the other colosseum fighters. For zoro I don't see any other opponent than Pika, with his obeservation he would know that something is wrong upstairs so let us not put aside a rematch zoro vs Pika, Lao G and the others have no need to stay at the toy house entry, so they'll probably give a hand to the aces in the factory. If the marine discover about the factory/trade port, it would be so great !! Actually it's the only way I can see it since Diamante and Trebol are completely outnumbered, not saying that for me Sabo can take care of them both.