I've been reading the Alabasta Arc now & Luffy has freaked out & run away from Smoker twice…why is this? Why not just "kick his ass".
Why does Luffy Fear Smoker?
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luffy's moves are of no use against smoker, that why he says that he can only run against him.
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Why are they no use? =/
Did I like miss something in the Lougue Town Arc?
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Cause his kicks and punches go straight through him yeah?
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Why are they no use? =/
Did I like miss something in the Lougue Town Arc?
Smoker can turn into smoke, and all Luffy does is physical attacks, so all they do is go right through him. It's useless for Luffy to fight Smoker… That's why he runs away from him. The one person Luffy cannot fight.
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Oh, ok, so the Logia Fruits, bassically make you become that fruit you ate, so does that mean all Logia Fruit people are not affected by physical attacks?
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Well…. there's an answer to that, but it's a major spoiler, so just keep reading. ^^
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Well…. there's an answer to that, but it's a major spoiler, so just keep reading. ^^
More like two or three.
Smkoer is the only one I can't think of a way to beat.
With a vaccum cleaner or somethin?
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Also, Luffy didn't have a personal reason to really want to beat up Smoker. So he just ran off when he couldn't hit the smoke.
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Smokers weakness is prolly wind so that would explain why he didn't capture Dragon.
EDIT: Luffy could became a balloon and blow him away!!!
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Luffy could always do his Gomu Gomu no Wirlwind but instead of grabbing someone and spinning them instead twists his arms to let out a gust of wind and blow Smoker away…oh wait..Smoker would make himself solid then and if Luffy tries to attack him straight after he'd just turn to smoke...yep there really is no way of beating Smoker cause theres really nothing that stops smoke but wind and he can just turn solid when wind comes.
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that didn't work with crocodile
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Crocodile is sand, sand has weaknesses, any type of liquid turns sand to mush and if I remember correctly fire turns sand to glass.
And if I didn't misunderstood that then if Ace fought Crocodile he'd be pwned in moments.
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so how would luffy beat him if he ever had to?
maybe he could suck him up, wait, that doesn't sound right, ^_^'
maybe he could inhale smoker and then.. then.. he'd die of lung cancer.
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All that, and, uh, Smoker's a Marine. Marines capture pirates.
And Smoker never did anything evi or tyrranical.
Pirate Age (Under Construction)
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It's really hard to predict how Luffy could beat Smoker. There are a lot of possibilities but whether they work or not is basically up to Oda and Oda alone. I mean, who could have predicted the water/blood vs sand thing? Sure it makes sense if you think about it afterwards, but there are a lot of different materials that interact differently with sand, and Oda typically only uses "pseudo-realism" (like the lightning vs rubber thing) so… while I can think of a meriad of options to beat any sort of logia, whether they actually work in the One Piece world we will only know if Oda shows us..
I mean, let's be honest here.. why exactly does a bit of water or blood on your hands prevent Crocodile from transforming? It'd make more sense if Croc was totally endrenched in water, but like this, well.. what about natural sweat on Luffy's hands when he hit him before? Why didn't that work? Dunno.. all up to Oda's sense of realism..
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Smoker (and all Devil Fruit users) are weak to a mineral in the ocean…
Smoker drowned, but Zoro saved him, remember?
Also, Smoker's stick has it on the tip, so if Zoro had a blade with it lined on the blade...
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Aw, I was hoping for a joke, like "why is six afraid of seven?"
Anyway, he's not actually afraid of Smoker. He just didn't want an unneccessary fight with someone he doesn't know how to fight. Luffy was never afraid of losing a fight, and isn't even now.
If you notice, when Smoker stood in his way after the meeting with Crocodile, Luffy was ready to kick his ass. Whether he found a way to or not, he wouldn't/won't back down if the fight was neccessary.
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Wow, Smoker seems almost like the perfect Devil's Fruit >_>'
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A sea thingy will force him to revert to normal and lose energy. :ohmy:
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Yeah, gotta beware of those sea thingies.
I don't think Smoker has the PERFECT DF. He may have some weakness (other than the sea), but Luffy certainly isn't aware of it. The difference with Smoker is that he really as no desire to fight him. If he doesn't really want to fight him, then he isn't going to get all worked up and determined to beat him. That's generally how Luffy is. His greatest weapon is his spirit and determination. Smoker's just a man doing his job, so no grudge against him.Aw, I was hopig for a joke, like "why is six afraid of seven?"
cuz seven ate nine!
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CP9 is also just doing their job.. (had to throw some fuel on the fire)
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I know what coul beat Smoker…
the Truth campaign!Pirate Age (Under Construction)
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Yes but apparently Ace somehow tied Smoker in their little battle. Now I'm not sure if either of them were putting some effort to it, or could you say that either of them won, but in my perspective it seem as though Ace had the advantage.
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Uh, we didn't actually see the scuffle. :laugh:
Smoker's DF is only perfect so far. I really see someone in the series (maybe Luffy?) figuring it out and beating the living hell out of him. I believe he may not be able to beat some characters, like Kiji and Dragon, and he already came to a stalemate with Ace.
One thing I wonder: how does he operate with seastone on his back?
EDIT: I agree, Mog. The problem isn't dealing with his offense but finding a way through his defense.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
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The problem with Smoker's fruit seems to be it's hardly any use for offensive combat. Yeah, he can grab people with it, but that seems to be it. Hardly worth mentioning compared to Crocodile's desert building sandstorms, Ener's blasts of lightning or Ao Kiji's nifty cold fronts. Not to mention Ace.
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He could choke them, like that guy in Skypeia.
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i think it would be a stalemate if smoker and ace actually went all out,
i think the earlier theory would have the best chance, just create a wind strong enough, and if he does materialize to avoid getting blown away that's when you take him out. timing is key.
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if ace can turn sand into glass then he is far more powerfull than i imagined, it takes a lot of heat to make glass like uber ovens right? And smoker DF is as powerfull as other logias, there's prolly a way to beat it and i also guess it won't make much sense physics-wide but hell it's OP
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@Mog:
The problem with Smoker's fruit seems to be it's hardly any use for offensive combat.
I'd just infiltrate people's lungs and suffocate 'em.
Or if objects you hold also turn into smoke, it would be the perfect way to apply shackles or something.
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the smoke of smokers is quite dense as u could see when he grabbed those guys from buggy and alvida or sanji. just re-read chapter 95-100 ^^
also if it wasn't offensive he wouldn't have been nicknamed "White Hunter" -
Ya, I did, I saw little puffs of smoke come around as he took a physical hit.
Lemme ask one more question…what if Luffy surprised him? Like Smoker didn;t even see it coming & Luffy nailed him, wouldn;t that affect Smoker?
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I'd just infiltrate people's lungs and suffocate 'em.
Yeah, well, One Piece doesn't really bother with technicalities like that, it would overcomplicate things. I mean, logically speaking, Robin should be able to kill any living thing crossing her path.
But doesn't that make it a perfect fit for Smoker? Marines are there to capture pirates and not as many fruits are as capable for it as Smoker's is.
Did I say it wasn't…? You are right, of course.
also if it wasn't offensive he wouldn't have been nicknamed "White Hunter"
Well, uh, he kind of hunts pirates. And like Yoska said, his power's exceptionally well fit for that. You kinda contradict yourself, there. Note how it's ''White Hunter'', and not ''White Killer'' or ''White Awesomely-Offensive-Devil-Fruit-Power Dude'' or anything.
''Hunter'' means just that.
And Gozar, no it wouldn't. Logia seems to be unaffected by a person's state of mind. He'd pass through him regardless.
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Oh wow, so Logia bassically turns your body into the state all the time, even when your in yourt physical body.
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It actually isn't very clear. In one instance Luffy flew into Smoker's back and knocked him through a couple of buildings, so he sure didn't "smoke up" automatically there. But this might have been for comedy purposes, so it's hard to tell what the intricacies of a logia really are..
and yeah.. Robin can in theory pop some arms inside your vital organs for an insta kill but that's not One Piece. That's why I said what can be done and what can't be done is at Oda's sole discretion.
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Hmmm, this is all very confusing. LOL
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well lets see. as has been said luffy fears smoker because he can't fight him. BUT smoker is not invinceable. ao kiji can beat smoker because smoke can freeze. also in alabasta the episode that introduced ace prooves that smoker can be hit because luffy flys in and hits smoker in the back which also proves that smokers ability is turned on willfully. which means if he doesn't turn into smoke on his own free will it doesn't happen.
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Ya, I did, I saw little puffs of smoke come around as he took a physical hit.
Lemme ask one more question…what if Luffy surprised him? Like Smoker didn;t even see it coming & Luffy nailed him, wouldn;t that affect Smoker?
Yes, it would affect Smoker. Unlike Paramecia, Logia seems to require activation.
Paramecia: Buggy is quickly slashed in three parts of the body, without having ever seen Zoro's style.
Logia: Little girl bumps into Smoker, spilling ice cream on him.
Paramecia: Luffy is shot in the back out of nowhere by Gaimon, and deflects it.
Logia: Luffy sends Smoker and Ace both flying.
The last example is my main point. I'd be very disappointed in Oda if he unintentionally had this happen to TWO Logia people at the same time. And it'd be ridiculous if Logia was constantly in effect. Ace would have to warn people not to tap him on the shoulder.
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All that, and, uh, Smoker's a Marine. Marines capture pirates.
And Smoker never did anything evi or tyrranical.Beleive me. Luffy has no hesitations about attacking public servants and marines.
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Beleive me. Luffy has no hesitations about attacking public servants and marines.
cough eneas Lobby coughthat's to save Robin though, Smoker hasnt taken one of Luffy's nakama and basically threatened to kill them, so Luffy doesnt need to attack him, and I think Luffy and Smoker are on way better terms since Luffy told Zoro to save Smoker from drowning.
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The last example is my main point. I'd be very disappointed in Oda if he unintentionally had this happen to TWO Logia people at the same time. And it'd be ridiculous if Logia was constantly in effect. Ace would have to warn people not to tap him on the shoulder.
You're right, and I forgot all about that. Nevertheless, we never actually saw any Logia user get hit without it being for comedic purposes. And I am talking about ''hits'' as such, and not just any phsyical contact, for that would be odd.
But it's a useless discussion, anyway. Crocodile used a Logia and not one person ever landed a single hit on him without exploiting his weakness. If it ever comes to a battle with Smoker, we can assume the same will happen. It would be lame for Oda to suddenly throw out there ''But if he catches them OFF GUARD –'', and I don't think it would make much sense, considering the Logia track-record.
Like I said, both instances you noted were used for comedic purposes, little more. I don't think it counts for actual battles, since it's a very hard rule to determine anyway. There's countless times a Logia user got hit and passed through which could count as off guard strikes anyway. There's no way to determine.
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In regard to a Logia, the transformation to a Logia element is like a reflex, IE, the Logia users has to be expecting a hit. Smoker was completely taken aback by Luffy's charge into that Alabastian Cantina, so he couldn't react quickly enough to transform into smoke.
Of the five revealed fruits (Ice, Fire, Sand, Lightning, Smoke), Smoker has the weakest fruit. As others have said, he's useless offensively aside from contracting the (water?) or carbon molecules in his smoke to make a physical attack, or creating a smokescreen. Smoker's true abilities lie in his transformation into smoke; because of this, Smoker has the weakest Logia thus far.
I've always imagined Luffy being able to beat Smoker with a wind-based attack; think of a Gomu Gomu no Pistoru with enough force to generate a shockwave, but the fist doesn't connect with Smoker. The resulting blast would cause damage.
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CP9 is also just doing their job.. (had to throw some fuel on the fire)
Yeah, but the difference is that Luffy DOES have something personal against them, because they took Robin, and attempted to kill Iceberg, among other things that really piss Luffy off.
Luffy respects and sort of even LIKES Smoker, even though he's an enemy.Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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So in short, you must be consciously awared of what's going to hit you in order to 'change', right?
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A logia user must just be aware that a situation is going on in which people aim for striking him. He doesn´t need to know whether the strike goes for his head, arm, chest, back or whatsoever, he just needs to know that an attack is comming and so he can prepare a body for it. At least that´s how I see it because Smoker and Crocodile couldn´t know Luffy´s Gomu Gomu no Gatling Gun but yet it didn´t hurt them even one time.
If they would have to know every single blow that´s coming at them then Gatling would have at least one time hit them for real since they couldn´t predict every one of the punches they didn´t know so far. That´s why I think that they just adjust their body to untouchable and let the opponent do the penetration work. -
Yeah, but the difference is that Luffy DOES have something personal against them, because they took Robin, and attempted to kill Iceberg, among other things that really piss Luffy off.
Luffy respects and sort of even LIKES Smoker, even though he's an enemy.
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So the only way to beat smoker is to catch him off guard but then after one attack thats it he will be expecting getting hit and I don't think Luffy has enough power in one hit to take out Smoker.
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