Random News Article Discussion II
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@Monkey:
If another ISIS goober shows up half these googly eyed rednecks would wind up accidentally shooting each-other in the confusion.
Also fuck every single last one of them.
on the subject of googly eyed rednecks
http://news.yahoo.com/bill-allowing-open-carry-handguns-clears-legislature-230852457.html
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@Purple:
Except not at all? Even if it was mostly immigrants from Bangladesh who were dying it'd still be an outrage, but the death toll so far comprises in large part Nepali and Indian migrant workers
I mean that authorities of Qatar don´t care, every other person with a little bit of humanity will care. But for them they are just slaves. And FIFA…:sick:
All we can do is to not watch any competition organized by this criminal organization.
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And while we're on the subject of people who can fuck off.
That commentary section is one of the most depressing things i've read all week.
Who honestly throws around things like the "Gay agenda"?
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That commentary section is one of the most depressing things i've read all week.
Who honestly throws around things like the "Gay agenda"?
People who think that the acceptance of gays somehow negatively effects them or represents something that is negative.
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That commentary section is one of the most depressing things i've read all week.
Who honestly throws around things like the "Gay agenda"?
People with nothing else better to do but to show how ignorant and intolerant they are…...and when they aren't complaining about blacks or women having some sort of agenda as well.
But if you want more rational and even funny comments regarding people who oppose gay marriage
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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People with nothing else better to do but to show how ignorant and intolerant they are…...and when they aren't complaining about blacks or women having some sort of agenda as well.
But if you want more rational and even funny comments regarding people who oppose gay marriage
I feel awkward saying this one because I'm black and two because it's generally always a deflection from white people not wanting to acknowledge some form of racism or to try to absolve themselves of some crime they think someone is trying to put on them like when they say "B-b-but black people had slaves too!!!!" But there's a decent portion of minorities who push the gay agenda crap too.
There's a site I use that I've mentioned on here before that's predominately black males and I've seen that a lot of them believe that the gay agenda is a tool of white supremacy to further emasculate black males or to further "pussify" America and stop them from saying faggot which is just one aspect of the homophobia I see on there. -
Nothing awkward about the gay subject it's true. Black churches might be the real source behind this because they treat homosexuality like the boogie man towards their congregation. Pretty sure white supremacy is not using Young Thug to destroy the black community.
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I feel awkward saying this one because I'm black and two because it's generally always a deflection from white people not wanting to acknowledge some form of racism or to try to absolve themselves of some crime they think someone is trying to put on them like when they say "B-b-but black people have slaves too!!!!" But there's a decent portion of minorities who push the gay agenda crap too.
There's a site I use that I've mentioned on here before that's predominately black males and I've seen that a lot of them believe that the gay agenda is a tool of white supremacy to further emasculate black males or to further "pussify" America and stop them from saying faggot which is just one aspect of the homophobia I see on there.I assume the same people who believe they're entitled to use the word "faggot" would likely get their panties in a bunch if a white person ever used the word "nigger" in it's traditional context. Hell I have people in my own family that think with that same logic hypocrisy be damned.
And then grandma wants to know why you've just pronunced yourself as a athiest.
Nothing awkward about the gay subject it's true. Black churches might be the re
al source behind this because they treat homosexuality like the boogie man towards their congregation.Pretty much.
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Nothing awkward about the gay subject it's true. Black churches might be the real source behind this because they treat homosexuality like the boogie man towards their congregation. Pretty sure white supremacy is not using Young Thug to destroy the black community.
Nah it's not awkward for me to talk about I just didn't want to be seen as one of the people I described.
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And what do you know Texas just okayed open carrying of handguns so you may just get your wish.
And while we're on the subject of people who can fuck off.
Props to the police for arresting the violent anti-gay protestors buuuuut that's the only silver lining in this.
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^^Yeah, unfortunately black people have been slow to catch up on/recognize gay rights compared to other racial groups, and while I do believe the majority of black people support it now we still support it the least. It's a matter of religion and culture, and religion is a big part of our culture. It's also an argument of civil rights where people don't believe it's an issue of something you're born with but a choice you make. It's not like black people were the only slow ones to catch up on gay rights of course. Everyone (and I say that generally) was slow to catch up on gay rights. I don't know why I'm even speaking in past tense because as a nation we're still catching up to where we need to be on gay rights.
Anyway, it's a fact that black people in particular as a minority group still have a lot of catching up to do, and you know what? That is a little awkward. Especially because this is a civil rights fight. Frankly, I think we should all be a little embarrassed if you look at the bigger picture of America and see that we still deny people simple rights. Of course, not everyone lives in America but we're not the only ones lagging behind. -_-
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I see a lot of claims from them about racism in gay organizations, what are gay people doing for us? Hating on gay black men for being emasculated/apparently embracing their gay identity more than their identity as a black person, that we should focus on us, that the media is over representing them and fixing them down our throats, that they only put gay/feminine/transgender black males on tv to emasculate us and that things like Tyler Perry is part of it, being "down low" and spreading aids among other things but this is just among other things.
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Aww don't worry guys, we Asians over here in Singapore are un-fucking-believably slow in catching up with the times for gay issues too!
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I don't mind the cake incident since I believe they have the right to chose which order they take.
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I don't mind the cake incident since I believe they have the right to chose which order they take.
Don't know telling someone you won't bake a cake for them because of your religious beliefs is kind of a dick move, telling someone you won't bake a cake for them because they're homosexual or support homosexuality is an even bigger dick move. It's about as stupid as a doctor refusing to conduct an abortion because of their religious beliefs beliefs trumping the mother's rights and in some egregious cases their health.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Complicating things since 2009.
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Don't know telling someone you won't bake a cake for them because of your religious beliefs is kind of a dick move, telling someone you won't bake a cake for them because they're homosexual or support homosexuality is an even bigger dick move. It's about as stupid as a doctor refusing to conduct an abortion because of their religious beliefs beliefs trumping the mother's rights and in some egregious cases their health.
Well I don't think the law should punish people for being dicks or immoral but rather making sure "everyone" gets the same rights and protecting. If he has the right to put out of his store an ex convict or someone he had a grudge with same right should apply for any customers. How he does it plays a role of course be he should have the right to do so in my opinion.
It is not a public service so I see him as having the right to sell boundaries on his own commerce. If it goes against his views so be it. Proceed to remember him as a dick and move on. If a doctor is putting your life in danger it's another problem as it is actually dangerous.
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So you support signs like this then?
Sure hope that's not a recent sign.
Well I don't think the law should punish people for being dicks or immoral but rather making sure "everyone" gets the same rights and protecting.
So you're agreeing that homosexual, colored, or people of different religious faiths have the right like any other normal person to patronize establishments in lieu of those establishments refusing to serve them based on those previously mentioned factors?
How he does it plays a role of course be he should have the right to do so in my opinion
Nobody should be allowed to refuse service to a customer because of stupid or impractical reasons especially those that aren't the fault of the consumer.
Such as them being gay or being born with the wrong skin color.
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So you support signs like this then?
[qimg]http://www.tn4me.org/images/upload/File/02No-Dogs.jpg[/qimg]
Since it seems to equate dogs to negros/Mexicans and promoting it, no.
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Sure hope that's not a recent sign.
Segregation stuff probably. Powerful argument any good citizen is suppose to get behind.
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Since it seems to equate dogs to negros/Mexicans and promoting it, no.
Oh but if it just said "NO BLACK PEOPLE/MEXICANS", it'd be hunky-dory then.
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Since it seems to equate dogs to negros/Mexicans and promoting it, no.
@Cyan:
Oh but if it just said "NO BLACK PEOPLE/MEXICANS", it'd be hunky-dory then.
Not to pile on, desa, but this was honestly my very immediate response to reading what you said, as well. If that's not how you intended it to come across, then you might want to rethink how you phrased it.
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Sure hope that's not a recent sign.
That particular sign is from 1942 though reproductions are being sold on Amazon.
Since it seems to equate dogs to negros/Mexicans and promoting it, no.
So this would be okay then?
Complicating things since 2009.
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People with nothing else better to do but to show how ignorant and intolerant they are.
Just wasn't ready for hundreds upon hundreds of people saying that violently beating people into self-hatred was "the right thing to do"
That kind of bloodthirsty Christianity is so vastly different to what i'm used to.
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That commentary section is one of the most depressing things i've read all week.
Who honestly throws around things like the "Gay agenda"?
Russians, Republicans.
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There's a site I use that I've mentioned on here before that's predominately black males and I've seen that a lot of them believe that the gay agenda is a tool of white supremacy to further emasculate black males or to further "pussify" America and stop them from saying faggot which is just one aspect of the homophobia I see on there.
This is almost verbatim Russia's form of homophobia. Replace "white people" with "the west". And a history of genuine oppression with "waw waw our empire fell apart".
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Aww don't worry guys, we Asians over here in Singapore are un-fucking-believably slow in catching up with the times for gay issues too!
Confucian values seem to be way more hush-hush about LGBT stuff, which is great in making it not take the aggressive phobia form seen in the west and middeast, but bad in that this makes society not ever confront the issue and deal with it. Mixed bag imo. For some reason Taiwan seems to be the leader on those issues in the Sinosphere.
The gay marriage domino in Europe right now means Italy is dead last in Western Europe, everywhere else either has gay marriage or at least civil unions.
For Western Europe it's like this Right now:
CIVIL UNION BUT NO MARRIAGE:
-Germany
-Switzerland
-Austria
-UK (in that Northern Ireland is being counted, so the whole UK doesn't quite count yet in my book)NOT EVEN THAT:
ItalyAnd uh Greece and Cyprus, who exist in some bizarre dimension between Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Uh whatever you count them as they don't have none of that. But the first Orthodox Christian country to have gay marriage will probably be one of the two of them anyway.
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If you were a senior graduating class with $8,000 which you raised over the course of 4 years for your end of High School senior class trip would you do this with your money?
They might not be going on a class trip but they're going to good places in their lives.
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So this would be okay then?
http://oregonhistoryproject.org/media/uploads/We-Cater-to-White-Trade-Only-FSDM2.jpg
Always fun to see the language on segregation signs get progressively more ridiculous as time went on.
"WE ONLY OFFER SERVICE TO HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE CLASSIFIED AS 'HOMO SAPIENS CAUCASIANS' BY THE VERY LATEST IN 19TH CENTURY 'ANTHROPOLOGY'"
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@Cyan:
Always fun to see the language on segregation signs get progressively more ridiculous as time went on.
"WE ONLY OFFER SERVICE TO HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE CLASSIFIED AS 'HOMO SAPIENS CAUCASIANS' BY THE VERY LATEST IN 19TH CENTURY 'ANTHROPOLOGY'"
That reminds me, wikipedia is a pretty decent place mostly.
But it is rotten with dumbasses who worship 19th/early 20th century Anthropology is a sincerely creepy secretly racist way.
If anyone ever describes any group of human beings with a bizarre word that ends in "oid" either regard them as…1. The product of some sort of third world or former communist education system that hasn't updated since Stalin was alive..
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@Cyan:
Always fun to see the language on segregation signs get progressively more ridiculous as time went on.
"WE ONLY OFFER SERVICE TO HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE CLASSIFIED AS 'HOMO SAPIENS CAUCASIANS' BY THE VERY LATEST IN 19TH CENTURY 'ANTHROPOLOGY'"
It's downright polite by Oregon standards. Consider their original state constitution:
"Sec. ____ no free negro, or mulatto, not residing in this State at the time of the adoption of this Constitution [i.e., 1857], shall come, reside, or be within this State, or hold any real estate, or make any contracts, or maintain any suit therein; and the Legislative Assembly shall provide by penal laws, for the removal, by public officers, of all such negroes, and mulattoes, and for their effectual exclusion from the State, and for the punishment of persons who shall bring them into the State, or employ, or harbor them."
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@Panda:
Not to pile on, desa, but this was honestly my very immediate response to reading what you said, as well. If that's not how you intended it to come across, then you might want to rethink how you phrased it.
Not sure if I can explain what I mean well. The best way I can put it is to say if you can replace your black/mexican/gay/lesbian by an ex-convict without being illegal they shouldn't be a problem as they should have the same standing before the law.
I'm sure a sign a sign saying no ex-convict allow to eat in the bar would as problematic but I don't think refusing to make a make saying"lets reinserted ex-convict in our community" should get a baker into trial.
This of course is simply my opinion.
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Not sure if I can explain what I mean well. The best way I can put it is to say if you can replace your black/mexican/gay/lesbian by an ex-convict without being illegal they shouldn't be a problem as they should have the same standing before the law.
I'm sure a sign a sign saying no ex-convict allow to eat in the bar would as problematic but I don't think refusing to make a make saying"lets reinserted ex-convict in our community" should get a baker into trial.
This of course is simply my opinion.
I think there's a difference between an ex-con and entire ethnic groups.
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Not sure if I can explain what I mean well. The best way I can put it is to say if you can replace your black/mexican/gay/lesbian by an ex-convict without being illegal they shouldn't be a problem as they should have the same standing before the law.
I'm sure a sign a sign saying no ex-convict allow to eat in the bar would as problematic but I don't think refusing to make a make saying"lets reinserted ex-convict in our community" should get a baker into trial.
This of course is simply my opinion.
The problem there is that you're equating a person being denied services because of what they are due to past actions with a person being denied services because of what they are due to being born a certain way.
Complicating things since 2009.
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The problem there is that you're equating a person being denied services because of what they are due to past actions with a person being denied services because of what they are due to being born a certain way.
Well the ex-con paid his due. I don't think theirs more room there's reason for the law to be lenient here rather than the other. It's simply a cake after all and reinsertion is also a valid cause.
Thinking a easy analogy with thing you're born with isn't easy. It's bound to transform into a examination of my moral value.
Some guy trying to buy a cake for for "blue eyes are adorable" and the baker don't want to?
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Tbh I don't know a bakery that would refuse to bake a cake for an ex-con
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Thinking a easy analogy with thing you're born with isn't easy. It's bound to transform into a examination of my moral value.
Maybe it's because this really is a question of moral value and that discrimination of a consumer based on their sexuality or race is really fucking messed up?
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@Purple:
Maybe it's because this really is a question of moral value and that discrimination of a consumer based on their sexuality or race is really fucking messed up?
Well I consider it is a limit the law should have on telling us what to do. You shouldn't fall to the law for being an asshole but for being a problem.
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Well I consider it is a limit the law should have on telling us what to do. You shouldn't fall to the law for being an asshole but for being a problem.
And survey says that discrimination of people based on sexuality and race and limiting their services to be a real problem
and also being an asshole, but especially for being a problem.
Hey remember that time the nation allowed for schools, public transportation, and businesses to discriminate their clientele based on race? Not a problem
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Look obviously we don't need the government to actively seek to stamp out racism, the invisible hand of the free market will dictate that if the people are truly against such discriminatory policies, they will not give patronage to these establishments.
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Well I consider it is a limit the law should have on telling us what to do. You shouldn't fall to the law for being an asshole but for being a problem.
Discrimination isn't a problem?
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Well I consider it is a limit the law should have on telling us what to do. You shouldn't fall to the law for being an asshole but for being a problem.
Lets go with this hypothetical then.
"Desa, I think any avatars with pink haired girls are amoral, and they should be barred from Arlong Park. This is my deeply held personal belief going back to a book I read as a child, and as a moderator, it is my moral imperative outlaw anyone that has, or ever has had, a pink haired girl in their avatar or signature. So get out, you aren't allowed here anymore."
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"I think people that actively insult others, harass women, threaten violence and don't pay attention to repeated warnings are a problem for the community and should probably be kicked out after they've proven incapable of being better."
Do you see the difference?
As for ex-cons in particular. Generally they don't have to wear signs proclaiming them as such, people won't know they're one unless they bring it up. Racism, homophobia and reiligious-non tolerance are judged at a glance and based on nothing the individual can do anything about..
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I believe Robby brought up a solid point. We need law to keep things in order, not limit on our personal styles. So if I was to to say "I'm gay" should I be banned here? No. I don't like gay but I don't hate them and if there are any here i'll just respect them.
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It's already pretty scummy to do it on the internet. Now to do it face to face for general services rendered that shouldn't otherwise be limiting to a certain group? I mean it's not like they're denying gay people because they asked for a gluten free cake rofl
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As far as I know I don't have a problem with any LGBT or ethnic group and their rights, but on this particular I consider it is more about a man acting using his rights to act innapropriatly rather can stepping over someone's right. To others this a case worthy of being sanctioned by the law. I rather drop it since neither party is going to change their opinion on it and nothing is going to be gain from it.
spoken like a true paragon of justice who's never been denied a cake based on who they are
I guess it is a fair point to make.
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Not all freedoms align. The freedom to discriminate hurts the freedom of people. It's as simple as that.
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And the thing is, regardless of how you see it, it is a problem to be accepting of a normalcy of "businesses should be allowed to discriminate against entire groups of people because they should be allowed to completely choose their clientele". Accepting that sort of law is not a neutral stance or one in favor of freedoms; it is one that in reality degrades the status of one group to be of a lower class by right of denial of services. Like, you know, the whole thing people campaigned against in the civil rights era?
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While I agree that it's completely horrible for someone to deny service to minority groups, I do admit that I would feel somewhat uncomfortable seeing cake makers getting actual punishment from a nanny government about this. It's more of a "it's common courtesy" thing than a legal thing I think… That being said, I think it should be common practice to sue the crap out of people who do that sort of thing
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How could you sue somebody for something that isn't illegal though?
The "nanny government" has to exist on at least some level for discrimination to be illegal.
Complicating things since 2009.
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Isn't pretty much any government a nanny government.
It's kind of the point of the whole thing no?
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I think when it comes to core human values as this, you really can't speak of a nanny government.
