Why does it feels like they just wanna push the blame to everything except gun control?
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My friend wrote a good piece about how to handle gun laws in America. I'm a little more strict when it comes to guns than her, but she makes good arguments:
https://medium.com/@amandarosesmith/amandas-bleeding-heart-gun-enthusiast-gun-control-solution-6ab6b11bc868I also think her proposals are pretty good, a pity you guys aren't even close to getting something like that through congress.
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Guns aren't the problem here, the blame clearly lies in… uh
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I just know the way lots of girls acted in my classes in high school, compared to the way my classmates acted in college.
Although if you know how to address the core problem I would be all keen to hear it.
The answer is never going to be splitting genders up and enhancing the dumb tribal bullshit that leads to the detached dehumanization that misognist frat-boys consist of.
Also to be perfectly frank, after my stint in the inner-city I have to think there is some cultural element going on in suburbs that partly results in this.
The inner-city girls were a wildly different creature in this regard, so much so that in spite of all the headache inducing nightmare of teaching in a poor school? I really miss those girls.
I don't know if this is a white vs black/puerto-rican thing, or a class one (or both). But it is damn sure noticeable. -
Also to be perfectly frank, after my stint in the inner-city I have to think there is some cultural element going on in suburbs that partly results in this.
The inner-city girls were a wildly different creature in this regard, so much so that in spite of all the headache inducing nightmare of teaching in a poor school? I really miss those girls.
I don't know if this is a white vs black/puerto-rican thing, or a class one (or both). But it is damn sure noticeable.I think class more than anything. The women's colleges I know do try hard to make sure their students are diverse, but if anything they have to be careful they don't have TOO many Asian girls, or the balance will go off the other way. My cousin went to Wellesley (alma mater of Hillary Clinton), and going to her graduation I swear every time they called a common Asian surname there would be this giant line of girls. Seriously, when "Kim" was announced I thought they would never end.
Although Wellesley has extra attraction to Asian families because Madame Chiang-kai Shek went there. They have a porcelain elephant from her in the Admissions office and everything.
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I can't remember the last time I had a class where the girls weren't the ones standing for the majority of the hands raised, joining student councils and administrating trips for the whole class. A girl taking up the role of the class mommy is damn near inevitable, whether it'd be the kids of a bunch of rich yuppies or otherwise. There is however a noticeable trend for guys to act dumber than they actually are and never commit to anything except the bare minimum because I guess they want to come of all flippant about school.
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"We gotta create more guns!"
"Yes! Let's fill the market with additional guns!"
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I can't remember the last time I had a class where the girls weren't the ones standing for the majority of the hands raised, joining student councils and administrating trips for the whole class. A girl taking up the role of the class mommy is damn near inevitable, whether it'd be the kids of a bunch of rich yuppies or otherwise. There is however a noticeable trend for guys to act dumber than they actually are and never commit to anything except the bare minimum because I guess they want to come of all flippant about school.
Experiences are relative. I had more guys in my class that did care about school than those that were just "acting dumb" and didn't care. Also had just as many guys as girls who actively participated and volunteered to lead and such. So really just depends. The grades older than mine had a lot more jocks and I'm pretty sure those dudes rarely cared about school.
I don't see a problem with girls going to all female schools to avoid sexual assault. What is it now, 1 out of 5 college girls experience sexual assault on campus? Sure, it won't fix anything, but it'll definitely prevent such things from happening. College campuses seem a lot more toxic than the "real world" anyways, so avoiding that all together shouldn't take anything away from operating in the real world.
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"We gotta create more guns!"
"Yes! Let's fill the market with additional guns!"
You know what, fine. Go ahead. Do it. I'd rather we do something than nothing. Even something as idiotic as this bill.
If the bill does pass and ends up blowing up in people's faces (perhaps literally), maybe that will at least convince some people that this isn't the answer.
…...Oh, what am I talking about? Of course it won't.
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It will be fine until the day a teacher will get mad as fuck at his students, draw his gun and shoot someone in class…
Might as well give guns to the students, and they'll have class with everyone aiming at each other just to be sure no one shoots.It's called the (nuclear) arms race, just learn from it and give guns to everyone ffs !
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Only abortion equals to killing children for them, actually killing children is none of their business.
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I don't see a problem with girls going to all female schools to avoid sexual assault. What is it now, 1 out of 5 college girls experience sexual assault on campus? Sure, it won't fix anything, but it'll definitely prevent such things from happening. College campuses seem a lot more toxic than the "real world" anyways, so avoiding that all together shouldn't take anything away from operating in the real world.
The college gave all of us incoming freshmen a gift bag with stuff that included a "safety whistle" to blow in case we were assaulted. So majority female population or not they didn't forget to help us prepare for the worst.
I did have a friend who caught a guy sitting in a car on campus jerking off. So while nobody was hurt the fact that that even happened is a gross thing to think about.
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Concerning gun control. Ever time there is a mass-shooting, american newspapers/media mention that it has nothing to do with guns, because the Swiss have guns too and they don't kill each other. Except that the Swiss aren't allowed to carry ammo/have a loaded weapon, they can only shoot at the range.
I'm saying this because this kind of article pisses me off
They're always omitting that it's forbidden to carry ammo because they're too scared to call for a ban on guns.The college gave all of us incoming freshmen a gift bag with stuff that included a "safety whistle" to blow in case we were assaulted. So majority female population or not they didn't forget to help us prepare for the worst.
I did have a friend who caught a guy sitting in a car on campus jerking off. So while nobody was hurt the fact that that even happened is a gross thing to think about.
What's wrong exactly with US campuses? And what's the thing with frat boys ?
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the fact that this keeps happening in america and barely any country else is bizzare. what is it about schools that attracts mentally disturbed individuals?
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Teenagers aren't the best at making decisions. This is a dark fantasy that was brewing way too much time, or a fatal impulsive action.
A few years back in spain someone brought a crosbow to class: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32380705
Yes, he built it himself, but think of the damage that this kid would have been able to do with a gun.
And Venezuela… well, I don't want to talk about it. but if it happens, I wouldn't learn about it.
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Concerning gun control. Ever time there is a mass-shooting, american newspapers/media mention that it has nothing to do with guns, because the Swiss have guns too and they don't kill each other. Except that the Swiss aren't allowed to carry ammo/have a loaded weapon, they can only shoot at the range.
I'm saying this because this kind of article pisses me off
They're always omitting that it's forbidden to carry ammo because they're too scared to call for a ban on guns.What's wrong exactly with US campuses? And what's the thing with frat boys ?
Frat boys and frats pretty much represent rape culture perfectly.
Nothing's wrong with US campuses. More so the people on the campus. 1 out of 5 women experience sexual assualt on their college campus. It's to the point it almost feels like commonplace. Idk if it's the post - high school surge of feelings or the new found freedom, but guys (I'm a dude ) proudly act terrible to women. The whole frat tradition should end, and many colleges are ending them
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I think class more than anything. The women's colleges I know do try hard to make sure their students are diverse, but if anything they have to be careful they don't have TOO many Asian girls, or the balance will go off the other way. My cousin went to Wellesley (alma mater of Hillary Clinton), and going to her graduation I swear every time they called a common Asian surname there would be this giant line of girls. Seriously, when "Kim" was announced I thought they would never end.
Although Wellesley has extra attraction to Asian families because Madame Chiang-kai Shek went there. They have a porcelain elephant from her in the Admissions office and everything.
Do these schools also blatantly discriminate against Asian students like Ivy League schools do? Because with the latter I have no idea why that's even remotely considered acceptable.
I can't remember the last time I had a class where the girls weren't the ones standing for the majority of the hands raised, joining student councils and administrating trips for the whole class. A girl taking up the role of the class mommy is damn near inevitable, whether it'd be the kids of a bunch of rich yuppies or otherwise. There is however a noticeable trend for guys to act dumber than they actually are and never commit to anything except the bare minimum because I guess they want to come of all flippant about school.
That's been my experience in my entire schooling life too.
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@Zar:
That number is not always accurate. As you can read in this report (page 15) it's often a result of oversimplifying the data and attributing it to all campuses, when in reality it's most likely only representative of a select few. Just wanted to clear that up, that number has been misquoted and used to create unnecessary fear too many times.
With that said any sexual assault is one too many, and there's no excuse not to do everything one can to decrease the number of sexual assaults down to zero.
I'm willing to bet though that the campuses skewing data are the ones with really heavy frat culture.
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That's been my experience in my entire schooling life too.
My experience too.
Boys usually just want to participate in things when there is an election on something to fuck around and be elected for the lulz.Seriously, I once ended up at the student council because I had promised people that they'd be allowed to smoke weed in their room
(I wasn't even trying to fuck around in the first place. The other guy with me was just giving a lame speech, so I just said that thing about smoking weed. And tbh, I didn't even know that I had signed up for this election. like, it was a set-up. ) -
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Frat boys and frats pretty much represent rape culture perfectly.
One reason I was glad to be at a school without any frats.
Do these schools also blatantly discriminate against Asian students like Ivy League schools do? Because with the latter I have no idea why that's even remotely considered acceptable.
Not at all. Like I said lots of Asian families like their girls to go to women's colleges, if only because there are no boys there to distract them from their studies or gasp mess with their chastity. The only time it's hard for girls is if they come from Asia directly and are still mastering their English.
If anything, it's the students from the Middle East who are still gaining their footing on the campuses. Which makes me sad, but one step at a time.
I'm willing to bet though that the campuses skewing data are the ones with really heavy frat culture.
Would not surprise me at all.
Boys from our neighboring colleges (UMass Amherst, Hampshire, and Amherst) were allowed to take classes there. First class they usually got a lot of suspicious looks, but once they proved that, yes, they were there to seriously study, they were welcomed. I thought about taking a class off campus, but decided there wasn't anything I really wanted to take.
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Umass Amherst does have statues/figures of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in the W.E.B duBois libary. So it has that going for it.
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Welp…This is why I don't think people have thought through arming teachers. You're asking someone to kill a kid.
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Umass Amherst does have statues/figures of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in the W.E.B duBois libary. So it has that going for it.
Ahahaha. Yes, there is definitely that. Don't forget Scooby Doo's creator!
UMass Amherst is definitely the best out of all the UMass campuses, but there was still too much partying there for me to want to go there. They don't call it "Zoo Mass" for nothing.
Welp…This is why I don't think people have thought through arming teachers. You're asking someone to kill a kid.
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I don't know the specifics about the prior mass-shootings in schools but the difference this time seems to be that:
-It's easier to start a movement/protest when Trump is president.
-yuppies kids have been killed it seems. Which means more politicized children and parents.Also, lol at everyone not blaming the shooter himself because "just a kiddo" "mental illness" and "don't have time, let's blame the GOP first" even though the boy is just a dumbass and is not ill in anyway. And it's true that Republicans are the first to blame, but it seems like no one ever says how much of a dumbass the boy is, they always go "poor kid, let's try to understand his feelings"
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Also, lol at everyone not blaming the shooter himself because "just a kiddo" "mental illness" and "don't have time, let's blame the GOP first" even though the boy is just a dumbass and is not ill in anyway. And it's true that Republicans are the first to blame, but it seems like no one ever says how much of a dumbass the boy is, they always go "poor kid, let's try to understand his feelings"
I can't speak for everyone, but I have no sympathy for this kid (who isn't even really a kid, since he's 19). I'm only sorry that he couldn't get whatever help he needed to prevent him from being so motivated to do something like this.
But the thing is, I don't think anyone's arguing that he's not at fault. He's been arrested and he's going be tried for his crimes. The problem is that this the latest in a long string of mass shootings that this country has yet to do anything significant about. If this was a once every 20-30 years thing, we'd still grieve, but there probably wouldn't be a huge outcry for change (unless there was something we believe could be improved on to prevent it).
Like, if you're a shepherd and a wolf keeps killing your sheep, but you still refuse to build a fence to keep it out, at some point it stops becoming the wolf's fault.
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I don't know the specifics about the prior mass-shootings in schools but the difference this time seems to be that:
-It's easier to start a movement/protest when Trump is president.
-yuppies kids have been killed it seems. Which means more politicized children and parents.Last week with you was "wait untill they kill a celebrity" and this week is now "they are yupie kids so they make noise", there is finally traction to this thing, and in fucking Florida, wether they make a difference or not, it's going to impact the next elections.
The difference this time is that they tried to make it go away faster than it usually does, for some reason, and just made the fire stronger.
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I can't speak for everyone, but I have no sympathy for this kid (who isn't even really a kid, since he's 19). I'm only sorry that he couldn't get whatever help he needed to prevent him from being so motivated to do something like this.
But the thing is, I don't think anyone's arguing that he's not at fault. He's been arrested and he's going be tried for his crimes. The problem is that this the latest in a long string of mass shootings that this country has yet to do anything significant about. If this was a once every 20-30 years thing, we'd still grieve, but there probably wouldn't be a huge outcry for change (unless there was something we believe could be improved on to prevent it).
Like, if you're a shepherd and a wolf keeps killing your sheep, but you still refuse to build a fence to keep it out, at some point it stops becoming the wolf's fault.
yep, which I understand. I was just pointing out that maybe we all forget the other problems that aren't only gun control.
Last week with you was "wait untill they kill a celebrity" and this week is now "they are yupie kids so they make noise"
Yes and ? Is it not true ? Even, not true at all in the slightest ?
Am I in any way contradicting myself ? I don't get your point, except that you're choosing one explanation when there are many.
" the protest is growing faster which for some reason makes it stronger (if I understand you correctly)" sorry if I'm trying to understand why exactly. And sorry again if it's not politically correct to say they're rich kids and Trump is president. It's not like I was blaming the kids. I just don't know if high-school students would have started such a protest if Obama was there instead. Douchebag Trump being president sure makes people want to overthrow "things" more. I mean, it makes "progressists" stronger obviously. I'm just observing. After #metoo we're MAYBE about to get something on gun control too (honestly, I don't think this will go that far). Which is astonishing for a conservative country like the US.
The only explanation for me as of now, is that "progressists" felt that they were suffocating when Trump got elected, which makes them stronger. Like, wanna punch harder when you feel like your world is falling apart. Just like far-right wingers have gotten stronger under Obama, it seems like "progressists" are getting stronger under Trump(I'm putting quotation marks around "progressists" because compared to holy Yorop they're merely progressist.)
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yep, which I understand. I was just pointing out that maybe we all forget the other problems that aren't only gun control.
Yes and ? Is it not true ? Even, not true at all in the slightest ?
Am I in any way contradicting myself ? I don't get your point, except that you're choosing one explanation when there are many.
" the protest is growing faster which for some reason makes it stronger (if I understand you correctly)" sorry if I'm trying to understand why exactly. And sorry again if it's not politically correct to say they're rich kids and Trump is president. It's not like I was blaming the kids. I just don't know if high-school students would have started such a protest if Obama was there instead. Douchebag Trump being president sure makes people want to overthrow "things" more. I mean, it makes "progressists" stronger obviously. I'm just observing. After #metoo we're MAYBE about to get something on gun control too (honestly, I don't think this will go that far). Which is astonishing for a conservative country like the US.
The only explanation for me as of now, is that "progressists" felt that they were suffocating when Trump got elected, which makes them stronger. Like, wanna punch harder when you feel like your world is falling apart. Just like far-right wingers have gotten stronger under Obama, it seems like "progressists" are getting stronger under Trump(I'm putting quotation marks around "progressists" because compared to holy Yorop they're merely progressist.)
Is it even possible for you to post without gobs of passive-aggression and condescension? Like you're not even fucking arguing with anyone in this case, you're talking about protesting kids and somehow this definitely the time and place for more peacock strutting and harrumphing at the Yankee Pig Dogs.
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No one is blaming americans here. I'm sorry if you're upset because I said "which is astonishing for a conservative country like the US". I'm just doing the "analysis" newspaper-readers usually do (should do).
And even if I was, it's never the right time to complain about the états-uniens anywayAnd I didn't mean to be mean to someone who wasn't even part of the discussion. Sorry ? I guess
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I don't know the specifics about the prior mass-shootings in schools but the difference this time seems to be that:
-It's easier to start a movement/protest when Trump is president.I guess you really don't know about it then. Obama made it his policy to prevent those shootings. Republican congress said otherwise. Trumpl's narrative was always pro NRA in his campaigns so he doesn't seem to care. But people care, surprisingly. Man, what an easy explanation.
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https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/02/west-virginia-judge-dismisses-murray-energys-case.htmlI know it's impossible and highly inappropriate, but it would have been infinitely awesome if the last words of closing statements from the judge were "Eat shit, bob."
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I guess you really don't know about it then. Obama made it his policy to prevent those shootings. Republican congress said otherwise. Trumpl's narrative was always pro NRA in his campaigns so he doesn't seem to care. But people care, surprisingly. Man, what an easy explanation.
Dude, how is it in any way contradicting my point ? Just please understand that there are many explanations.
And there was no such protest after the Las-Vegas shooting. So no, it's not just because the president is Republican
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I know it's impossible and highly inappropriate, but it would have been infinitely awesome if the last words of closing statements from the judge were "Eat shit, bob."
Well it does leave room for an appeal by the plaintiffs, so who knows maybe we'll see it when they reject the appeal
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Dude, how is it in any way contradicting my point ? Just please understand that there are many explanations.
And there was no such protest after the Las-Vegas shooting. So no, it's not just because the president is Republican
Maybe because Obama wanted regulations? And had one set that Trump removed because it had his name on it? Also Obama never proposed the insanity of arming teachers. There's no reason to stage marches to get legislation changed under a president that wants the same thing. Trump has shown himself to be pro NRA so a march is much more necessary.
But also there have been marches. Before hand. They just don't get the publicity because…
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Maybe because Obama wanted regulations? And had one set that Trump removed because it had his name on it? Also Obama never proposed the insanity of arming teachers. There's no reason to stage marches to get legislation changed under a president that wants the same thing. Trump has shown himself to be pro NRA so a march is much more necessary.
Except that protests can be directed against Republicans at the Senate too. Protests have never only been for presidents.
But also there have been marches. Before hand. They just don't get the publicity because…
That's interestingly appalling. And it sort of circles back to my point
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Except that protests can be directed against Republicans at the Senate too. Protests have never only been for presidents.
That's interestingly appalling. And it sort of circles back to my point
Hmm. We're there not protests against Bush after his second term? I thought there was but I can't recall because I wasn't really paying nearly as much attention to politics back then.
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Hmm. We're there not protests against Bush after his second term?
There were large scale protests even at his first inauguration that the media glossed over.
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And there was no such protest after the Las-Vegas shooting.
There is always a protest after a mass shooting. Regarding the recent shooting there was no difference imo.
So no, it's not just because the president is Republican
Yes because if you compare the reactions of the former president to the president now to mass shootings (weaponize teachers etc.), obviously people get riled up more.
Also, why are you so sure that an explanation I make will contradict your point?
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There is always a protest after a mass shooting. Regarding the recent shooting there was no difference imo.
Lots of high-school students throughout the country seems to have somewhat united. I think there is a significant difference with the prior protests. Not like there was a very powerful movement launched by youngsters, but well there is no "no difference"
I'm not sure this happens with every protests:!
And those
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I believe the thing about arming teachers came a few days after the "youngsters" had started being broadcasted on every media, but sure dumbass Trump is only making things worse than they are
Also, why are you so sure that an explanation I make will contradict your point?
Because you started by saying I didn't know something obvious (obama=more legislations on guns, Trump = pro-NRA). But okay, maybe you didn't have the intention to
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A teacher apparently fired a gun in a classroom.
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A teacher apparently fired a gun in a classroom.
lol at being so freaked out at intruding students that you fire a fucking gun off, I put up with like six incidents of that shit a day during student teaching.
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lmfao, I can't stop laughing. It definitely made my night. I probably woke up my entire building
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Doubtless this is a false flag incident designed to humiliate Glorious Leader after his revolutionary idea to arm educators.
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Aren't Putin and Jinping gonna die soon enough anyway ? Same for Erdogan. These three are the same age. It would be interesting if they'd die the same year, resulting in deep political changes from Europe to East Asia. We're probably gonna have to bear these assholes for one or two more decades though.
edit: I just checked and it seems that their parents (the three of them) died at 90years old. Shit. I'll hit 50 before they die. Adios worldwide democratic dreams
