A military coup in a NATO country? That's rare. What about those NATO troops from other members at the sourthern border now?
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@Monkey:
However I worry about Erdogan's following, because like Putin he totally had one. Those people will feel cheated and I wonder at what their reaction will be.
I'm worried about Turkish citizens living here. There was already a lot of friction after Böhmermann's poem and its fallout. Likely, a lot of people will cheer for Erdogan's fall and this will upset his huge foreign following. And just look how much Morsi's popularity increased after he was deposed.
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Why is this happening? I'm not really familiar with Turkish politics or Ergodan himself.
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A military coup in a NATO country? That's rare. What about those NATO troops from other members at the sourthern border now?
It's actually not rare. Turkey has had like four coups previous to this while in NATO, and even France had one in the early 60's.
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Why is this happening? I'm not really familiar with Turkish politics or Ergodan himself.
A weak Constitution and a corrupt head. You don't need any more than this to understand why is this happening now.
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Why is this happening? I'm not really familiar with Turkish politics or Ergodan himself.
Erdogan is a wannabe Putin who lacks his creepy finesse and competence. Also he's a religious conservative (Turkish military has always been strongly secular).
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Why is this happening? I'm not really familiar with Turkish politics or Ergodan himself.
Turkish military is a secular entity. Erdogan is very religious person and has increasingly tried to turn Turkey from a secular democracy into a theocratic dictatorship (though the military probably wouldn't really mind dictatorships per se). He actually started his premiership all those years ago by greatly reigning in the power of the military. And Erdogan's recently really been fucking up with ISIS and the Kurds, destabilizing the country.
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Burkina Faso and South sUDAN are some of the recent examples of an attempted coup. Egyptian COUP succeeded..
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I would have assumed Erdogan would have had quite a bit of a cult of popularity in Turkey. So it's unclear how well this will go down nation-wide @LegendarySSJ4:
Russia must be happy.
Perhaps, though recent actions seemed to indicate a return to normalizing relations. So this will either help or hurt that. I would assume there are a number of nations amused by what is going on right now after all of their Turkish nationalist rhetoric. The Kurds no doubt are collectively laughing their asses off alongside the Armenians.
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A weak Constitution and a corrupt head. You don't need any more than this to understand why is this happening now.
Yeah Turkey has a President and Prime Minister like lots of countries, and the Prime Minister is supposed to be the leader. Erdogan when he finished being PM, became President, and hasn't changed much and has still been acting like leader. And was trying to give the Presidency more power to still empower himself more even in this secondary position.
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@Mr.:
I'm going to assume the coup is happening because the military is fed up with Erdogan and his attempts to get Turkey involved in the Syrian War alongside the the reigniting of the Kurdish rebellion This adds a new wrinkle to Erdogan's seeming diplomatic shift in the past few weeks in reopening relations with Russia, Israel etc. No doubt to appease growing unrest among the military elite There is also a chance this is quietly approved by the U.S and its neighbors given how unstable and more fascist Erdogan had become during the past year. Big question now is whether this new army-run gov't intends on jumping head-first into Syria or to isolate itself from its influence and try to tone down the Kurdish rebellion. I'm guessing the latter, but it could be the former.
Honestly…like what he did with Russia was look weak on top of all the other FP bungling. He apologized for the plane shooting, I imagine the Turkish army was incensed by that.
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Russia must be happy.
Actually no probably.They hated Erdogan, but the nationalist nature of the Turkish army I doubt is Russian friendly. And in recent weeks Erdogan was actually starting to mend relations with Russia…and then this.
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I'm worried about Turkish citizens living here. There was already a lot of friction after Böhmermann's poem and its fallout. Likely, a lot of people will cheer for Erdogan's fall and this will upset his huge foreign following. And just look how much Morsi's popularity increased after he was deposed.
Eh? Turkish expats in Holland are pro-Erdogan?All the ones me and Chrissie know or have encountered hate the guy.
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Why is this happening? I'm not really familiar with Turkish politics or Ergodan himself.
Erdogan pretty much trying to gather more power to his person (as a president he does not have as much power as say the Prime Minister - whom he recently replaced as he wasn't as easily controlled as Erdogan wanted him to be), badly handling ISIS and refusing to work with the Kurdish army against them and the list goes on. In short he was corrupt and people got fed up with him so this happened
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@Monkey:
Eh? Turkish expats in Holland are pro-Erdogan?All the ones me and Chrissie know or have encountered hate the guy.
There is no other country in Europe where people voted so massively for Erdogan in the elections last year. 65% iirc. Also a Dutch(-Turkish) journalist was arrested earlier this year in Turkey for making mean tweets about Erdogan, which led to criticism towards Erdogan from Dutch citizens and government, but was largely supported by the Dutch-Turkish population.
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I wonder if the Turkish military has a little guidebook about when and how to stage a coup by this point.
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Having done the research, 110,000 of the 240,000 Dutch Turks (with voting rights) voted in the recent election and 69% of them voted for Erdogan.
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@Cyan:
I wonder if the Turkish military has a little guidebook about when and how to stage a coup by this point.
Coup d'état for dummies.
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Lolololol, Germany has denied Erdogan asylum in the country.
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This looks like a violent coup and Erdogan appears to want to continue fighting for his control. If the Army is unable to kill or capture him, this could get drawn out. Erdogan has a sizable paramilitary following in addition to whatever militant Salifist following he (seemingly) has. The longer he lasts, the more violent this could get. Doesn't help that the country has one of the largest collections of irregular militias on its doorstep (not including ISIS).
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Some bad news, it A LOT of people are taking to the streets in protest of the military coup, and the military has even shot and killed a protester who shouted "Allah Ackbar!" sparking more protesters. There was also a LOUD explosion at the News Building the military broadcasted their message, and some protesters have even took over a tank. I don't like where this is going…
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Lolololol, Germany has denied Erdogan asylum in the country.
Apparenly Erdogan is on a plane now attempting to seek asylum. Usually the time coups happen, when the head is absent
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I want to note, these reports are from various sources on twitter, and, Al Jazeera being the most major source.
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The coup may be failing... Oh no...
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It seems reports that a lot of the political parties are against the coup, and not even the entire military is behind it.
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@Mr.:
This looks like a violent coup and Erdogan appears to want to continue fighting for his control. If the Army is unable to kill or capture him, this could get drawn out. Erdogan has a sizable paramilitary following in addition to whatever militant Salifist following he (seemingly) has. The longer he lasts, the more violent this could get. Doesn't help that the country has one of the largest collections of irregular militias on its doorstep (not including ISIS).
I don't think Erdogan has had any military support so far. I haven't heard of anything but police units resisting.But I'm also seeing throngs of angry young men in the streets, and that's almost scarier for stability in some ways.
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Coup will have a hard time. Erdogan seems to have a very large and dedicated following. And they don't appear to be afraid to resort to violence.
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This is like, the 4th coup in Turkey?
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Yeah… Think the coup failed... RIP those people who started it, because they're completely fucked if it is indeed over (which various reports on reddit, twitter, and seemingly even events unfolding now on SkyNews are indicating it).
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Shots fired in the streets. The military seems to have lost control of a bridge. There seems to be a high degree of resistance. Lots of people taking to the streets. This is getting ugly now.
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Airport has been taken over by pro-government supporters, military has retreated from it for now.
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This is like, the 4th coup in Turkey?
5th coup. Though the 4th was really really soft.
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If this coup suceeds, then I have to wonder what the plan is to install a transitional government.
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I like how he's just flying around, safe and sound, face-timing (though…he doesn't really have a choice right now, since he has been denied Asylum lol) as his country is basically going to shit because he called upon supporters to retaliate with "fire on fire", and they actually freaking listened, EN MASSE. lol
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@Monkey:
5th already? Is there a country out there that has had more coups than this one?
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Now people are saying Fetullah Gullen is behind this. lol
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5th already? Is there a country out there that has had more coups?
Well… It is in their constitution, isn't it?
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Looks like Coup is indeed failing… sad stuff. I think Erdogan is here to stay and this might been last cry for secular democracy Turkey had.
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5th already? Is there a country out there that has had more coups than this one?
Well, France is on its Fifth Republic for a reason.
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No country has come out to voice official support to him, which says a lot.
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Looks like Coup is indeed failing… sad stuff. I think Erdogan is here to stay and this might been last cry for secular democracy Turkey had.
Everyone saying this is really not following things. The coup failing implies the military would just step down. The only way it is "failing" is that it isn't bloodless and easy. And that yeah this might create a huge mess! It is neither succeeding or failing by the look of it. The true thing we're seeing is that things are getting scary. Coups that fail tend to overestimate the support base they have. When we're talking a super split country…well...that's scary.
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Yeah… But no one is seemignyl supporting what's going against him right now in Turkey... lol And that's the issue. And no one will support the coup either, especially with reports of bullets being fired into the crowds of protestors of people against the coup, by VERY reliable sources.
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@The:
Yeah… But no one is seemignyl supporting what's going against him right now in Turkey... lol And that's the issue. And no one will support the coup either, especially with reports of bullets being fired into the crowds of protestors of people against the coup, by VERY reliable sources.
I just saw it on TV! Shots being fired against crowds of protesters! Which is natural after martial law has been declared. Portuguese TV covering the events live have said that various muslim clerics have asked people to take to the streets and resist the coup. Just like Erdogan before them.
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@The:
Yeah… But no one is seemignyl supporting what's going against him right now in Turkey.
What are you basing this on.
And no one will support the coup either, especially with reports of bullets being fired into the crowds of protestors of people against the coup, by VERY reliable sources.
This is a very naive statement and assumes Turkey is fundamentally a more stable and undivided nation than it actually is. That you think "Shooting people??" is the end of support by people.
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So much for the coup being for ALL people of Turkey. I guess they meant gunning down ALL people of Turkey.
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The sources I'm following (very reliable) only talk about shots being fired in the air to deter the people. Oh, and something about tanks opening fire in Parliament.
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@Monkey:
What are you basing this on.This is a very naive statement and assumes Turkey is fundamentally a more stable and undivided nation than it actually is. That you think "Shooting people??" is the end of support by people.
I guess I should have specified more, I meant outside countries looking in on the unfolding situation. Do you really think America, Germany etc. etc. would support a coup that is seemingly gunning down unarmed protestors, even if those protestors may have…less than kind ideals?
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I should also specify I'm actually asking a question, because I actually don't know. lol
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From what is getting reported, the coup is being instigated by a splinter group within the army and aerial command. So there is a good chance this attempt will ultimately fail. Though the coup faction seems to have control over the air force, so that could prove tricky if they start to use aerial assaults. Though even if the coup fails the AKP may be heavily weakened by this attempt and the aftermath.
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the jazeera reporter is saying that the majority of the army is actually against it. i hope this ends with no bloodshed.
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Just stated that the Turkish Naval forces WILL NOT support the coup.
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@The:
I guess I should have specified more, I meant outside countries looking in on the unfolding situation. Do you really think America, Germany etc. etc. would support a coup that is seemingly gunning down unarmed protestors, even if those protestors may have…less than kind ideals?
They can do as they usually do and sit quietly, release a few tepid statements then accept whatever becomes the status quo. See: Egypt.
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The coup might ultimately fail, but the damage to Erdogan's image I think is irreversible. The rest of Europe is going to have a field day with this.
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Clash between Police and the Army
https://www.periscope.tv/P1AYBOY/1BdGYVaoOXoJX kemalism itself isn't a good thing.https://twitter.com/GissiSim
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Clash? I only see a car passing by. Oh, and where's the huge crowd of people they were saying? It's just a minority.