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Donald Trump has basically written all the attack ads against him. The footage is all there, just montage it and mix in Republicans disavowing him.
Worth pointing out that this was homegrown terrorism and an unconstitutional law banning Muslims wouldn't have kept someone born in New York from doing this anyway.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
Also, inbetween the shooting news breaking out and demanding our presidentstep down.
"Clinton made a false ad about me where I was imitating a reporter GROVELING after he changed his story. I would never mock disabled. SHame!"
Uhm yes. Yes you did. It's on tape. They didn't cgi you being an ass.
I missed that Dumb Trump moment so went searching, it didn't take a minute to find a story that explained the backstory to the image of Trump acting like an ass imitating a man with disability…here
Its weird how Trump can constantly say a thing, have it recorded on video, and then a few weeks later claim "I would never say anything like that. Never." So consistently.
It's not a thing taken out of context or a slip of the tongue once. It's just… constant.
If you lie as much as he does, it becomes automatic.
Of course, it tends to just get reported as "Trump denies saying ______" rather than "Trump contradicts earlier statement".
On the shooting…. why the hell do civilians need assault rifles??
What ever one's stance is on gun control, its just common sense that an assault rifle should not be able to be bought by civilians.
The fact that mass shootings have become all but routine says a lot. This marks the 1'000th mass shooting to occur SINCE Sandy Hook. It's very difficult not to be desensitized and cynical to all of this.
There's a reason Obama looked so tired and worn out giving that speech. He's done it a lot of times now.
And still nothing can be done about it with the current congress.
The fact that mass shootings have become all but routine says a lot. This marks the 1'000th mass shooting to occur SINCE Sandy Hook. It's very difficult not to be desensitized and cynical to all of this.
Indeed, especially when people respond exactly the same every single time. Probably for the better to just stay away from any and all online arguments on the matter. It's not like anyone will get wiser from reading what the politicians or anyone else for that matter have to say about it.
Only two guns civilians should have.
-A Hunting Rifle and this mind you is assuming you actually hunt.
-A basic pistol. Which you should really only own if you live in or near a high crime rate area.
There is No need for civilians to own any guns that I can think of outside of these two reasons.
15 times, to be exact. Obama's had to stand out there and make a futile call for change over the preventable loss of American lives twice a year in his presidency.
Which unfortunately means we'll likely have another mass shooting before he leaves office. In the immortal words of Jeb Bush, "Stuff happens."
There's a reason Obama looked so tired and worn out giving that speech. He's done it a lot of times now.
And still nothing can be done about it with the current congress.
It's pretty much routine for him at this point. But nothing could be done regardless of congress. These weapons are easily accessible, they are going to be used no matter how many regulations are placed on them.
It's absolutely ridiculous and shameful. Just recently Obama was at a town hall and said that putting suspected terrorists on no-fly lists is nothing, but thanks to the NRA he can't stop them from purchasing a gun.
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Why? I actually don't want my brain to melt.
There is No need for civilians to own any guns that I can think of outside of these two reasons.
There's little to no reason for any civilian in this country to own a gun since history has shown too many people enjoy doing stupid things with them and the response to this is either brushing it aside or making laws making it even more likely for more stupid things take place.
3 year old data, but.. the problem definitely isn't guns, right?
It's pretty much routine for him at this point. But nothing could be done regardless of congress. These weapons are easily accessible, they are going to be used no matter how many regulations are placed on them.
BULLSHIT.
"Putting regulations on it won't help anyway, so why bother putting on regulations" is a nonsense excuse.
The US is the only civilized country in the world that has this problem. Everyone else has better gun control laws and they don't have public shootings twice a week.
No one is saying to recall and hold back every single gun already out there. But there should be better licensing and security checks, and the major automatic warfare items meant to kill fifty people in twenty seconds shouldn't be available to citizens, period. THat's beyond home protection or need for hunting.
There's also buyback programs and regular licensing checks.
This guy was a known abuser, had been investigated by the FBI twice and had a history of being mentally unstable, but he was still able to get an automatic weapon with no problem.
If we made people trying to get a gun, go through half the process required to get an abortion, things would be completely different.
My opinion on gun control is that I am a fan of guns, but I want stronger regulations for them. I think right now, in America, you can get a gun easier than a car. Which is not very fair at all. With stronger gun control laws, the population will be of course safer. I also think there needs to be mandatory gun classes taken as well. This way, people can be educated on how to use them properly and safely. Besides, that, they should be taught, not kill someone, unless they really need to. Like if they are getting a gun for self-defense, then the classes can teach them where to shoot in spots were the other person cannot die, for example. I'm against killing people, and if I have to use a gun for self-defense, well I rather just harm them enough, that they cannot attack, but at the same time they do not die. I would only kill if I really have to, and that is very rare indeed. I do think people do need second chances in life. Lastly, I don't think automated guns should be banned, but instead have even strong regulations on them compared to the other ones. I know everyone is not like me, so I want better laws to help out everyone, as I have no problem with stricter regulations on any type of gun.
P.S. I don't have a gun yet because they are a bit expensive for me. But when I do, I plan on mostly using it for target practice. And at rarer times, self-defense. I do plan on going to gun classes, so I can use it properly and safely as well.
BULLSHIT.
"Putting regulations on it won't help anyway, so why bother putting on regulations" is a nonsense excuse.
The US is the only civilized country in the world that has this problem. Everyone else has better gun control laws and they don't have public shootings twice a week.
I'm not excusing anything. I'm saying even if the congress were hellbent on stopping the peliferation of machine guns, it wouldn't change the status quo. Of course you shouldn't be able to acquire these type off weapons like it's nothing, naturally there should be regulations and tests that stops people like this from acquiring such guns. The problem is that these weapons are easily accesible even if they aren't sold legally. So what I'm saying is that even if the government were to really step up on this issue, these guns would still be around, these shootings would still happen and it would take years, if not decades to stop the peliferation of such firearms.
I'm not excusing anything. I'm saying even if the congress were hellbent on stopping the peliferation of machine guns, it wouldn't change the status quo. Of course you shouldn't be able to acquire these type off weapons like it's nothing, naturally there should be regulations and tests that stops people like this from acquiring such guns. The problem is that these weapons are easily accesible even if they aren't sold legally. So what I'm saying is that even if the government were to really step up on this issue, these guns would still be around, these shootings would still happen and it would take years, if not decades to stop the peliferation of such firearms.
Actually, if there were stricter gun laws in the United States, that it will reduce the number of deaths/mass shootings/etc. No one ever said that it will stop everything. And if you read my previous post, I mentioned classes people had to take. Besides that, there needs to gun control throughout the entire nation, not just a few states. By having it throughout the country, it will reduce people getting guns from other states, and then bringing them back in their home state. Like for example, people from Chicago go to Indiana, get guns, and then bring them back into the city. And yes, it may take some time for things to get adjusted with the new laws, but in the end it will be better for everyone.
Is it just me or is Fox News waayy too pro republican? Especially after the Orlando mayhem..
Is it just me or is Fox News waayy too pro republican? Especially after the Orlando mayhem..
What was the first thing tipped you off?
Fox News? Republican?? You must be joking
I'm not excusing anything. I'm saying even if the congress were hellbent on stopping the peliferation of machine guns, it wouldn't change the status quo. Of course you shouldn't be able to acquire these type off weapons like it's nothing, naturally there should be regulations and tests that stops people like this from acquiring such guns. The problem is that these weapons are easily accesible even if they aren't sold legally. So what I'm saying is that even if the government were to really step up on this issue, these guns would still be around, these shootings would still happen and it would take years, if not decades to stop the peliferation of such firearms.
A truly driven terrorist or criminal would probably still get their hands on a gun through illegal means.
But a lot of the more random massacres from lone wolfs? They might have to settle for handguns alone. Rather than things great for spraying into crowds.
And a guy like the one yesterday? This is a terrorist yes, but not an organized one. Internet ISIS. With history of violence, and FBI investigation. Easily stoppable from legal acquisition. But probably not savvy enough to navigate the black market.
ISIS just makes me laugh. They see a random nutjob who happens to be muslim who killed random people in a random western country and go "Yeah, that was us, fear us". Whatever you say, guys…
The one thing I'm curious about though is how the US' "right to own guns" in your legislature pushes the masses to acquire guns. Like, guns aren't illegal here, there's just proper channels you have to go through to get them. But ask the average person if they feel the need to have a gun and they'll say no, unless they're living in a dangerous neighbourhood or they're farming.
So is it that guns are part of American culture? I mean, there are so many guns that I come across random news articles and posts of babies shooting guns and people shooting backyard pests, like that's such an alien concept to me. I've lived in rough neighbourhoods before and even then I never once thought that I should acquire a gun.
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The one thing I'm curious about though is how the US' "right to own guns" in your legislature pushes the masses to acquire guns.
It's not the right (which many a person has misconstrued) that's driving people to acquire guns it's legit fear
and the need of protection for some. A bullshit desire to buy weapons that aren't needed, to use them for
hypothetical situations that'll never take place. And in fear of something that'll never happen and even if it did
is in no way shape or form as bad as they think or have been told for a good majority.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Something that I don't think get discussed enough whenever gun arguments come up is suicide rates and how the correlate to gun ownership. If you're having a bad day, it's a lot harder to kill yourself if you don't have a gun. I feel like, in regards to mass shootings, suicide should also be discussed a lot more because these gunmen probably wanted to die, or at least didn't care about their own health. Homicide rates and gun ownership is definitely worth talking about but I just feel like there's different reasons compared that mass shootings and someone getting shot during a robbery.
I think there should be more mental health support for people who are angry and/or suicidal, like it's should be way more visible on billboard ads or on radio ads that there are people who can help and that there's other ways to deal with numbness and frustration.
I don't know if anything would be done about guns but I fell like this would be a way to do SOMETHING. To maybe save a few lives.
It's not the right (which many a person has misconstrued) that's driving people to acquire guns it's legit fear
and the need of protection for some. A bullshit desire to buy weapons that aren't needed, to use them for
hypothetical situations that'll never take place. And in fear of something that'll never happen and even if it did
is in no way shape or form as bad as they think or have been told for a good majority.
That's very interesting. Then is it accurate to say that theres a high level of chronic fear of.. well, danger, across the nation? Basically a intensely high sense of paranoia?
Excluding people who live in high-crime neighbourhoods, what would you say normal every day people are afraid of so much so that they feel the need to arm themselves?
I find this topic fascinating because of its distinctive contrast to Canada, when we're literally connected countries. If people are afraid of home invasions here, they subscribe to a home security network. If someone said that one day they'll register themselves to get a gun for security, they'd be honestly laughed at.
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We didn't pray for drunk driving fatalities to resolve themselves. We passed sweeping laws and accidents dropped by a lot.
That's very interesting. Then is it accurate to say that theres a high level of chronic fear of.. well, danger, across the nation? Basically a intensely high sense of paranoia?
It's a sense of fear stoked by interested parties that stand to benefit from it monetarily or politically. It's not really organic. Same as the fears of transgenders in bathrooms that didn't exist six month ago, or the highly uneducated crap about abortions or people that actually think still having a confederate flag is cool and not at all racist.
And our second amendment doesn't really guarantee the right to guns… it guarantees a well armed militia, drafted in a time and context where we had just broken away from the Europe two hundred years ago.... it's as outdated as blacks only being worth 3/5 a vote or women not at all. it's just distorted by gun lobbies constantly. A more liberal supreme court can probably pull that back some. Last time it went up Scalia gave the gun loving interpretation, but he's gone now, so....
That's very interesting. Then is it accurate to say that theres a high level of chronic fear of.. well, danger, across the nation? Basically a intensely high sense of paranoia?
Oh pretty much.
Excluding people who live in high-crime neighbourhoods, what would you say normal every day people are afraid of so much so that they feel the need to arm themselves?
Terrorism (though not the variant committed by US citizens) and the government taking away certain rights.
Incidentally many of these people aren't what you would call normal.
I find this topic fascinating because of its distinctive contrast to Canada, when we're literally connected countries. If people are afraid of home invasions here, they subscribe to a home security network. If someone said that one day they'll register themselves to get a gun for security, they'd be honestly laughed at.
Canadians just seem like better adjusted and more rational thinking people when it comes to certain things.
Which of course you can't say about us given how many aspects in our society is so ass backwards.
And for the second day in a row.
Fuck you, Donald Trump. Fuck you.
Now Trump is trying to discredit the washington post for being "bias" against him.
Shit on the first amendment for the right of the second I guess?
Terrorism (though not the variant committed by US citizens) and the government taking away certain rights.
Incidentally many of these people aren't what you would call normal.
If people arm themselves on the reasoning to protect against terrorist attacks then isn't it not a leap to realize that if the availability of legally purchased guns were removed from society, then the instances of mass shootings would decrease?
It's just feeding the neverending cycle of violence.
Citizens obtain guns easily > An atrocity occurs > More people arm themselves > Attackers also obtain guns easily > An atrocity occurs .. Etc.
Saying that "decreasing gun availability won't decrease the frequency of shootings" simply isn't true. Canada is RIGHT above the states and we never have mass shootings from people who acquire guns legally.
How many shootings in the states have happened because someone went to Walmart and got a couple guns and boxes of ammo?
What a frustrating situation.
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I like how the same people take the position that the War on Drugs is a perfectly worthwhile endeavor, regardless of the drug involved, while the idea of placing restrictions on gun ownership is somehow a fanciful notion. That's to the extent that government agencies aren't even allowed to study the effects of gun control in other countries to see if it'd work here, let alone pass rules in support of it.
If people arm themselves on the reasoning to protect against terrorist attacks then isn't it not a leap to realize that if the availability of legally purchased guns were removed from society, then the instances of mass shootings would decrease?
It would also help if we did things like actually limit the type of weapons people can own particularly at the state level (and not just focus on people with criminal records but even those without), Followed Taboo's suggestion of pushing for more mental health and personal crisis solutions. And somehow our society became even less selfish and assholish then we currently are.
I've never had anyone give me a legitimate answer to this question I've always posed to those supporting the "good guy with a gun will stop bad guy with a gun, hence gun free zones are bad".
So lets say "responsible gun owner" number 1 sees a shooting going on at a college. He pulls out his gun to shoot the criminal but misses and kills an innocent person. Or a second "responsible gun owner" sees RGO number 1 and thinks that he is the original shooter and kills him. In a situation like a gas station being robbed at gun point, the person has a gun under the counter for defense I can see. But to say that any of these mass shootings would be stopped by any ordinary Joe with no federal system to say he is trained in gun safety and marksmanship is ludicrous.
ISIS just makes me laugh. They see a random nutjob who happens to be muslim who killed random people in a random western country and go "Yeah, that was us, fear us". Whatever you say, guys…
The guy pledged loyalty to ISIS.
They almost definitely weren't physically involved or aware of this dude, but they have a sophisticated internet propaganda department that hopes to inspire random people all over the world just like this.
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Most interesting is these documents that show Turner isn't some naïve kid that got swept away in the party culture. He has some history that shows that this rape is not likely a one time thing and shouldn't be considered 'not a threat' and shows a pattern of behavior.
I find this topic fascinating because of its distinctive contrast to Canada, when we're literally connected countries.
It would be interesting to contrast by border area.
http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/559451a2ecad0464750b3d6c-1200-970/gun-ownership-study-state-map.png Like being from Ontario it might make your head hurt less to see the states nearby are on the lesser end of American levels.
But my real curiosity is what the Canadian prairie states are like compared to the American same.
But really the difference comes down to guns falling into a sort of central place in cultural wars in the US. They've become a symbol of a sort of conservative lifestyle and even libertarian causes. So the emotional connection to them is amped up heavily.
Its not just political, its politically tribal.
And of course the whole retarded militia fetish garbage.
I've never had anyone give me a legitimate answer to this question I've always posed to those supporting the "good guy with a gun will stop bad guy
I really think "Guns' Rights" Advocates ought to press the issue of the GOP banning guns from the RNC in Cleveland. It's all well and good for Democrats to do that but Republicans?
Complicating things since 2009.
I really think "Guns' Rights" Advocates ought to press the issue of the GOP banning guns from the RNC in Cleveland. It's all well and good for Democrats to do that but Republicans?
There will be no Brown People at the RNC for Good Hardworking Real AmericansTM to defend themselves from, that's why.
So the Orlando shooter was said to be a frequent visitor to Pulse over the past three years and supposedly had multiple accounts on gay dating sites and apps.
If true the guy would rather die as a supposed radical Islamist than as a gay man.
It would be interesting to contrast by border area.
http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/559451a2ecad0464750b3d6c-1200-970/gun-ownership-study-state-map.png Like being from Ontario it might make your head hurt less to see the states nearby are on the lesser end of American levels.
But my real curiosity is what the Canadian prairie states are like compared to the American same.
But really the difference comes down to guns falling into a sort of central place in cultural wars in the US. They've become a symbol of a sort of conservative lifestyle and even libertarian causes. So the emotional connection to them is amped up heavily.
Its not just political, its politically tribal.
And of course the whole retarded militia fetish garbage.
Oh of course, I know that the states closest to us in Ontario & Quebec have opinions very similar to us, I was directing my comment to those who are staunch gun supporters among Americans, as opposed to those calling for control.
I would say that most hardcore Canadian Conservatives in the prairies have very similar opinions to American republicans in regards to national security and would probably support the side against gun control, but other than that I've never really heard of any issues being brought up about making Canadian gun laws more lax, personally.
So the Orlando shooter was said to be a frequent visitor to Pulse over the past three years and supposedly had multiple accounts on gay dating sites and apps.
If true the guy would rather die as a supposed radical Islamist than as a gay man.
He was usually drunk there as well. Truly a most devout man.
Complicating things since 2009.
He was usually drunk there as well. Truly a most devout man.
It makes it a whole other level of fucked up and tragic if this was all a result of self-hatred.
Complicating things since 2009.
Really. It puts a whole new spin on his dad's story about Matteen getting enraged by seeing two men kiss in public.
He hated what he could truly never express himself as, and turned to (fundamentalist) religion to repress himself. Truly sad.
Apparantly, he supported both ISIS and Hezbollah.
Which is a spectacular achievement.
 
