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    • desa
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      I don´t know, I think it´s pretty similar to Deku and Bakugou´s motivation for being a Hero.
      The same thing must happen with all the rest of the students of Class A, most of them just wanted to became heroes just because they wanted.
      It´s nothing remarkable, it is just something they want to do because it´s important to them. The same thing happens with Gentle, this is his dream, the only thing he had at that point, and is important to him.

      Which is why I mention the discussion back when Bakougo was kidnapped and people were thinking he would turn evil for more poweror due to feelin inadequate. I said feeling inadequate would be a poor reason to go from wanting to succeed as an hero to turning villain.

      I don't mind at all that he wants to be an hero to be remembered. I do mind that is need for fame is so much more important than the rest that he preferred villainy to not having it. At least in his case.

      Still find it strange he doesn't get views. That's just weird.

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        Prediction:

        • Gentle gets arrested
        • La Brava manages to escape
        • La Brava joins the League of Villains to free Gentle
        • La Brava uses her hacking skills and helps the League to break in Tartarus
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          If he was only caring about fame he could be a lot more controversial than he is now. Stain got mega-infamous for killing heroes but La Brava states he is very careful to not fight with the extra power. I feel like this isnt just him going LCS and all but that he does want to be viewed as hero because he wanted to be one but short of that he's just going around dealing with issues he sees as unjust in the small term, like globally unfriendly businesses or whatever.

          I don't see him as evil. I'm just not that into the reason he became what he is. If he was an hero I would be fine but the whole I don't usually beat the shit out of people but if doing so to a kid will bring me fame I will doesn't make him compelling to me.

          And between the man chasing fame and the kid trying to put a smile on traumatized kid face. I cheer for the second.

          Funny if he jst appeared at the festival and made Eri laugh, the kids would have their fun, the traumized kid would have her smile, he would have his fame for breaking in and I would like him fine. But when facing a 15 year kid just trying to have one school activity not go get attacked by criminals and trying to help a traumatzed kid I can't help but feel Gentle is just petty.

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            I would prefer to Deku and Gentle do vlogs together.

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              @KzTxL7:

              Gentle gives me sort of Dr. Hiruluk vibes in the whole "People die when they're forgotten" deal. Which makes the whole chasing fame for Gentle thing reasonable to me.

              Hiruluk the doctor a lot people love for his principles but that I hate for letting his adopted child that wanted to help people poison him possibly sacrring him for life. Great analogy.

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              I really like how Gentle isn't being portrayed as an unstoppable force of nature compared to Deku like Shouto, Muscular, and Overhaul. It's less predictably "new villain has a stronger power level" and more "each villain has different stats and specialties" and gives credit to how much Deku has grown (fights where the villain looks like the underdog can be very compelling if written right).

              That's nice indeed

              As for Gentle's motivation… yeah, it's shallow. Wanting to become famous and vaguely inspire people could be given plenty more depth if there were more specific productive end goals for Gentle, like if he would use his fame to help people or feeling that he can help teach society a valuable moral that is too undervalued. But this chapter's clincher about him feeling crushed when a classmate we never even saw him talk to beforehand forgot about him cements him looking selfish to me. Especially when we don't know why he failed, which makes him look like he didn't try hard enough. Getting ousted for savings embody with his Quirk was very sympathetic, but that was only the final nail in the coffin after already being terrible for reasons we don't know. So the only assumption we can make is that he's a bad student academically or lacks competency on the field. And the latter can't be it given his proficiency in this fight with his Gomu Gomu no Awakening Quirk.

              Which could have have been empahasized by having constantly failed at different exercices but we the readers that are in his mind see the good he was trying to do. Kind of like Luffy sucked witch his techniques for the longest time or even Mirio sucked for the longest before meeting Knighteye.

              For instance, I feel La Brava's stalker behavior should have been appropriately emphasized as being creepy instead of her only looking like a poor lost misunderstood soul, but still getting in a bit of sympathy in showing how she doesn't really know any better and isn't purposefully malicious. And making the guy he was stalking seem like a jerk instead of someone who was reasonably put off by her. Don't get me wrong, his comments were still harsh and I felt a little bad for La Brava, but I don't really like the framing it's going for in having her look solely like a victim. Stalking is wrong whether the perpetrator is cute or not. I've seen other stories handle having a character like this look sympathetic and understandable while still not making their behavior look innocently justified.

              I would prefer a balance between sympathetic circumstances and flawed habits with this villain duo. They can still be as endearing as they are now, but with more focus put on how they're still deserving of their villain labels. And not just because they actively defy the law, but how their ethics are portrayed. Like maybe digging more into La Brava's being more of a blind fangirl desperately trying not to be alone than actually being truly in love (and not just as a quirky personality gag, but as a serious flaw), and Gentle using her presence as a convenient tool to stroke his ego that he's been compensating for since flunking hero school as opposed to actually reciprocating her feelings. Basically, they're more so being crutches that are filling insecurities rather than really caring about each other, and they don't even realize it by using their selfless schemes as excuses to make themselves think they're true heroes/lovers. Then from there after whatever happens to them in this arc, they might finally get character development to become a less dysfunctional and truly heartfelt couple as they come to terms with taking responsibility for their negligent mistakes (Gentle realizing that he might have actually deserved to be expelled and might have still made it in school if he at least put in the effort to maintain good grades could actually be a very powerful moment) while striving for responsible change in their relationship/heroics. Assuming they will appear again after this arc, which I bet will happen given how much fun Horikoshi is obvious having with them.

              The stalking is a fair point. Always bother me when stalking is not stalking because the character is sympathetic.

              But the bold part would make me actively hate the character to such level it's not even funny. If fine to be that manipulatie if you are just evil but if the author would ever have a sympathetic chracter do that the level of disgust I would have would be to much.

              Deku calling out Gentle for disregarding the U.A. students' dreams is okay, but I need more specific criticism than just "me and friends' dreams of being happy are more important than your dream of being happy". A conflict which makes it seem like both of their motivations are valid to some degree, Even though I would argue Gentle's dream isn't valid. At all. I was expecting more of a focus on Deku having to combat Gentle's perspective about U.A. acting too vulnerable for trivial formal events, which he actually outright states in Chapter 174. But that hasn't been brought up at any time since this fight started, only Gentle's craving for publicity is being remarked. That would work much better if Horikoshi wants Gentle to look like a morally complex character I like to root for as much as or even more than Deku despite his flaws.

              Considering the whole traumatized girl has not been brought up(yes Eri isn't compelling to many but it's a traumatized kid) I think the author is pruposely merking the water to avoid having LA Brava and Gentle seems straight petty rather than sympathetic misfits.

              And if that's the case I would have preferred them managing to go to the festival rather than be facing Deku. Or for us to not get this flashback until much later in a place where he is doing something more heroic.

              In spite of my complaints though, I actually think this is shaping up to be the best fight in the manga.Not emotionally, but on a technical level.

              I think the fights before the school trip against the teacher and Deku's first fight against Bakougo in a building are still up. But I might need a reread to be sure. I always loved Bakougo's moveset.

              Shouto (but that fight totally earned it and Deku still lost, so it's great all around)

              I will always be pissed that the author(I'm bad with name) had I&F used fire in that fight. There was potential for a great moment of him using it for the first to protect someone rather than in a festival. That would reinforce how strong his conviction in that wasrather just be shallow and when it does happen it woould have much weight, higher stakes and prove that saving people is more important than spiting his dad.

              You can have everything else. Him conflicted in the last fight, going to see his mom all of it building to that moment.

              Deku overcoming Muscular through sheer adrenaline boost willpower,

              Probably Deku's finest punch.

              and Deku getting a convenient spontaneous temporary power-up from Eri while inexplicably defying fate with friendship.

              F**k every power that appeared in that arc and that development. Only interesting thing was how awesome Mirio is and thank god the easier way out was taken of either killing him or making him a dick so Deku's position can be justified with no conflict.

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                I'm the only that think that UA could easily handle Gentle, by making he appears as part of the festival, as in it was an extremely elaborate-6-year-long-ruse to make a better festival and have the guy added to the staff as something minor.
                I mean the guy has only committed petty crimes, and La Brava could easily be a great tech teacher as she effortlessly hacked into UA's system.

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                  @pariston_hill:

                  I'm the only that think that UA could easily handle Gentle, by making he appears as part of the festival, as in it was an extremely elaborate-6-year-long-ruse to make a better festival and have the guy added to the staff as something minor.
                  I mean the guy has only committed petty crimes, and La Brava could easily be a great tech teacher as she effortlessly hacked into UA's system.

                  Well like you say he has a long history of crime so I think the trick would e quickly discovered. It would give him a lot of traffic tho. OR Maybenot I truly don't understand why he has so little.

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                    @pariston_hill:

                    I'm the only that think that UA could easily handle Gentle, by making he appears as part of the festival, as in it was an extremely elaborate-6-year-long-ruse to make a better festival and have the guy added to the staff as something minor.
                    I mean the guy has only committed petty crimes, and La Brava could easily be a great tech teacher as she effortlessly hacked into UA's system.

                    You mean like hiring a magician for your kid's birthday party?

                    If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life

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                      @desa:

                      Well like you say he has a long history of crime so I think the trick would e quickly discovered. It would give him a lot of traffic tho. OR Maybenot I truly don't understand why he has so little.

                      I guess regenerating a petty criminal into an useful member of society would be the kind of bs that would keep him away from jail.

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                      You mean like hiring a magician for your kid's birthday party?

                      Yes, a super expansive yet completely incompetent magician.

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                        From the very beginning, Gentle has struck me as a selfish but not particularly bad person. His primary motivation, as we can see from this chapter, has always been to garner fame and make a name for himself. Because he's not a violent or sinister person, Gentle tried first to do this as a hero. And once that failed, he's approached his goal in minor crimes and self-aggrandizement.

                        The thing is, Gentle has always looked for a (non-violent) crime first and a noble cause for it second. It's one reason why his justification for many of his crimes, like the convenience store robbery in his introduction, has been rather flimsy. And with this UA break-in, he thought of the crime first (breaking in to a high-security, culturally important facility) and the justification second (pushing the kids to be tougher or something). It noticeably ignores the fact that public trust in UA is already low and that a possible suspension of school activities would cause significantly more damage to the students' education than a surprise break-in would push them forward.

                        I think it's much more likely that Gentle planned this crime, perhaps unconsciously, as a high-profile way to get back at the school-age complex that spurned him. He was kicked out of a low-tier school and ignored by his mediocre classmates, so now he wants to one-up the best of the best and force them to acknowledge him.

                        If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life

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                          More than Vigilante I think "Anti-Villain" is probably a bit closer to what Gentle is. He doesn't want to honestly hurt anybody or make anybody miserable, he just wants to become a hero in his own way. Which in this case means a lot of crime.

                          Of course, there could be some underlying sub-concious where, while he thinks he's doing it all for good (at least his good), what he's really thinking is, "I'll get back at all the people who said I'm a failure."

                          Edit: Lol, Jabberwok we seem to be on the same page.

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                            In gentle's defense he doesnt know anything about eri and the stress of the kids. He probably just sees this as another tone deaf statment by the school that they arent taking the threats seriously. Heck he might even think its helpful in some way.

                            Though he clearly wants fame and views, he want those to come from good deeds and not anything evil. He brandishes himself a troublemaker "vigilante" who operates like Batman but instead of being in the shadows he wants to be remembered for the good he has done, likely from his past of messing things up. His sense of purpose, being a popular hero was lost and in lieu of that he's been playing internet vigilante.

                            However despite this desire to be remembered it seems that he actually wants to inspire other downtrodden people like himself. His personal relationship with La Brava seems genuine and he cares about her feelings thus he doesnt want to lose not just because of his own selfishly appearing goals but for her sake as well.

                            Its only been 10 chapters but I feel like he's one of Horikoshi's better written characters.

                            I also found this fight up to before this chapter as the best choreographed. This chapter was a bit harder to follow but I still think this is one of the best fights.

                            Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                            So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

                            H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

                            Spoiler:

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                              @desa:

                              Hiruluk the doctor a lot people love for his principles but that I hate for letting his adopted child that wanted to help people poison him possibly sacrring him for life. Great analogy.

                              I know people that hate Bell-mere because of how she said she couldn't admit she had no kids, and blame her for their enslavement.

                              That's nice indeed

                              I'm still hoping that Shigaraki's powers get used in interesting ways like this instead of only insta-death touch. But the only other application I can imagine is ripping off Crocodile's Ground Death move. I have realized lately though how Shigaraki's Quirk is technically the perfect antithesis to someone who has to attack by punching somebody up-close really hard. Deku vs Shigaraki on paper is like a western quickdraw, although Shigaraki needs a way to compensate for Deku's super speed and long-ranged attacks now.

                              Which could have have been empahasized by having constantly failed at different exercices but we the readers that are in his mind see the good he was trying to do. Kind of like Luffy sucked witch his techniques for the longest time or even Mirio sucked for the longest before meeting Knighteye.

                              I would have liked that. Actually, I think it would be best if Gentle struggled with saving people with his Quirk. He can activate it and use them for himself just fine because of hand-eye coordination and muscle memory, but he has trouble learning how much reinforcement his bubbles should have for different rescue situations and which angles to set them up in. Basically, he keeps getting low grades because his lack of control puts others at risk and could result in situations like how Spider-Man accidentally snapped Gwen Stacy's neck because his web strand caused whiplash by interrupting her fall too suddenly. You could even work in how Gentle might need to learn math and physics to master that part of his Quirk, but those would be his worst subjects in school. Maybe this is even why he doesn't like violence, because he still has lingering paranoia over how much he can hold back even after probably getting better with his Quirk over the years.

                              That quote bubble where they reprimanded Gentle by saying the person he saved has to spend six months in a hospital reminded of this:

                              !

                              The stalking is a fair point. Always bother me when stalking is not stalking because the character is sympathetic.

                              Yeah. Although I think that sympathy can work if you show what kind of psychological flaws make them want to stalk people in balance with having them get fairly criticized since it's still messed up. A week or so ago, I watched a psychological horror film made in 2003 that is called May, and the protagonist is a very socially awkward and mentally unstable girl that you could understand why she's like that sorry for her while seeing how her actions towards other people get unsettling and unjustifiable.

                              But the bold part would make me actively hate the character to such level it's not even funny. If fine to be that manipulatie if you are just evil but if the author would ever have a sympathetic chracter do that the level of disgust I would have would be to much.

                              Oh boy, I think I misworded what I wrote. I didn't mean a relationship as messed up as how much Joker abuses and doesn't care about Harley Quinn. If La Brava gets in trouble, I expect Gentle to help. I'm talking more about how Gentle would, say… take her for granted. He wouldn't look at her as a tool, but not an interesting and equal person either. Something in between like... a pet. Only see her as a fan/sidekick that would love to do anything he loves to do, and not often question her own welfare until it smacks him right in the face. He would not take much interest in what she wants to do and how she feels, but mostly out of ignorance and not outright putting her down.

                              It would sort of be like a relationship where a boy only ever wants to talk about what they like and hear agreement/praise but the girl is too codependent or low in confidence to have faith in saying what they might like to do. The question then becomes whether boy actually loves the girl or a reflection of himself he can brag to. So Gentle would never be confronted about this dynamic because La Brava is a blind fangirl, making Gentle in turn be oblivious to this (not that this removes all of the fault from him). If he sees La Brava is having issues, he will at least try to help her. He would be a conceited dick but not outright abusive. His central flaw would be often letting his self-image get in the way of giving their teammate proper consideration.

                              And at the end of the day, Gentle wouldn't realize that he might be as attached to La Brava as La Brava is to him until they might get separated for some reason. Because he subconsciously values her presence in the same way he would value an audience. An audience giving him the praise and support he wish he had in his youth. If she ends up disappearing for a while, Gentle's insecurities resurface and he ends up destroying his confidence because no one is there to admire him as an emotional crutch. While La Brava values him so that she feels useful and loved no matter by someone awesome. As long as she gets a small mild compliment once in a while, she'll be head over heels because she's that desperate for someone to care about her.

                              This silly relationship would function for so long only because they're broken and codependent in opposite ways that complement each other. They both enable each other's flaws without even realizing it and think that they're both good people being good to each other.

                              Considering the whole traumatized girl has not been brought up(yes Eri isn't compelling to many but it's a traumatized kid) I think the author is pruposely merking the water to avoid having LA Brava and Gentle seems straight petty rather than sympathetic misfits.

                              I never thought about him knowing about Eri or not, only ruining the festival in and of itself in the middle of U.A.'s controversies. That could be true though. I do not think they are straight up evil at all. But even so, I should support them if we are getting these tragic flashbacks where they are being portrayed as being screwed over and loving each other instead of being faithful. I have no issues with the plot itself or the types of characters they're trying to be, only how these characters are being executed.

                              And if that's the case I would have preferred them managing to go to the festival rather than be facing Deku. Or for us to not get this flashback until much later in a place where he is doing something more heroic.

                              Like Bakugo.

                              I think the fights before the school trip against the teacher and Deku's first fight against Bakougo in a building are still up. But I might need a reread to be sure. I always loved Bakougo's moveset.

                              I don't really count Deku's first "fight" with Bakugo. If I'm remembering things correctly, all we got was Deku judo flipping Bakugo and Deku punching up the ceiling without hitting Bakugo. Deku acting brave against his bully was great on an emotional level, and the teamup with Uraraka was very clever. But I don't know I can can call that a true standard "fight" in the sense of a true brawl like Deku's future battles. Not that I am against unorthodox trials like this, they're very cool and I hope we see more of them.

                              I forgot about the Final Exam, but that was more of an escape battle than a real win-or-lose situation. Deku and Bakugo were surviving what was a clear mismatch.

                              I will always be pissed that the author(I'm bad with name) had I&F used fire in that fight. There was potential for a great moment of him using it for the first to protect someone rather than in a festival. That would reinforce how strong his conviction in that wasrather just be shallow and when it does happen it woould have much weight, higher stakes and prove that saving people is more important than spiting his dad.

                              You can have everything else. Him conflicted in the last fight, going to see his mom all of it building to that moment.

                              That ironically reminds me of the fire bender guy named Diablo in Suicide Squad becoming pacifist that would never use his powers again after accidentally killing his family, and he let himself be arrested and stuck in jail for years. But using his fire again after getting yelled at and dared a little. So weak and childish.

                              I didn't mind Shouto using his fire at that point since Deku's words about that Quirk being his were powerful words that made sense. But I understand wanting a stronger reason for Shouto to break such a lifelong vendetta vow than hearing words of encouragement in the middle of a tournament battle.

                              Probably Deku's finest punch.

                              It was. I liked that fight's visuals. And I don't mind a fight where a character has to give 110%, even if it's cheesy and predictable. But two super strong guys duking it out is not likely to impress me unless real effort is put into how they use different techniques.

                              F**k every power that appeared in that arc and that development. Only interesting thing was how awesome Mirio is and thank god the easier way out was taken of either killing him or making him a dick so Deku's position can be justified with no conflict.

                              lol Agreed on all of that. Making Mirio a talented dick is redundant anyways since that is already Bakugo's role.

                              Spoiler:

                              "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                I know people that hate Bell-mere because of how she said she couldn't admit she had no kids, and blame her for their enslavement.

                                I love Bellemere. She is only second to Zeff(because that panel where he cuts his leg is too impactful) in terms of Flashback character and even then sometimes she first. But she is also the best badass mom ever. I am grateful everyday she came out this early in a time where woman could still be properly badass in one piece. That one action where she puts a gun in Arlong's mouth is great.

                                I don't think denying the existence of her kids would help or hinder their escape. Either they had made it out by then or they didn't. And she didn't had much reason to think it would scar them.

                                Chopper wanted to be a doctor. To protect people and save them. And mad doctor that knew that chose to let Chopper poison the one person he was close to. That's so traumatic to someone that wants to help people to know he killed the person he loved.

                                I'm still hoping that Shigaraki's powers get used in interesting ways like this instead of only insta-death touch. But the only other application I can imagine is ripping off Crocodile's Ground Death move. I have realized lately though how Shigaraki's Quirk is technically the perfect antithesis to someone who has to attack by punching somebody up-close really hard. Deku vs Shigaraki on paper is like a western quickdraw, although Shigaraki needs a way to compensate for Deku's super speed and long-ranged attacks now.

                                He might be able to fight using the environment he is in depending on how his destruction work. I mean Eraserhead elbow didn't just disappear.

                                I would have liked that. Actually, I think it would be best if Gentle struggled with saving people with his Quirk. He can activate it and use them for himself just fine because of hand-eye coordination and muscle memory, but he has trouble learning how much reinforcement his bubbles should have for different rescue situations and which angles to set them up in. Basically, he keeps getting low grades because his lack of control puts others at risk and could result in situations like how Spider-Man accidentally snapped Gwen Stacy's neck because his web strand caused whiplash by interrupting her fall too suddenly. You could even work in how Gentle might need to learn math and physics to master that part of his Quirk, but those would be his worst subjects in school. Maybe this is even why he doesn't like violence, because he still has lingering paranoia over how much he can hold back even after probably getting better with his Quirk over the years.

                                Some nice ideas in there and reminder on how messed up that must have been for Peter when Gwen died the way she did. I especially like the math and physics idea.

                                That quote bubble where they reprimanded Gentle by saying the person he saved has to spend six months in a hospital reminded of this:

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                                I'm still fascinated that Mr. Incredible got sued by suicidal man and probably won. It's probably what opened the floodgate.

                                Yeah. Although I think that sympathy can work if you show what kind of psychological flaws make them want to stalk people in balance with having them get fairly criticized since it's still messed up. A week or so ago, I watched a psychological horror film made in 2003 that is called May, and the protagonist is a very socially awkward and mentally unstable girl that you could understand why she's like that sorry for her while seeing how her actions towards other people get unsettling and unjustifiable.

                                I'm fine with sympathy or brushing it over. What I don't like is when the stalking itself is supposed to be seen as positive because of the person doing. Shonen play stalking for comedy all the time but clearly you are not supposed to cheer on the stalking but laugh at how they are going to far. It might be played for laugh but stalking is still presented as a wrong thing to do.

                                Oh boy, I think I misworded what I wrote. I didn't mean a relationship as messed up as how much Joker abuses and doesn't care about Harley Quinn. If La Brava gets in trouble, I expect Gentle to help. I'm talking more about how Gentle would, say… take her for granted. He wouldn't look at her as a tool, but not an interesting and equal person either. Something in between like... a pet. Only see her as a fan/sidekick that would love to do anything he loves to do, and not often question her own welfare until it smacks him right in the face. He would not take much interest in what she wants to do and how she feels, but mostly out of ignorance and not outright putting her down.

                                Better

                                I never thought about him knowing about Eri or not, only ruining the festival in and of itself in the middle of U.A.'s controversies. That could be true though. I do not think they are straight up evil at all. But even so, I should support them if we are getting these tragic flashbacks where they are being portrayed as being screwed over and loving each other instead of being faithful. I have no issues with the plot itself or the types of characters they're trying to be, only how these characters are being executed.

                                I don't think he is evil. I think he is selfish and putting that flashback makes him uncompelling when the other party is trying to help a traumatized child. A point the author is keeping buried so the audience can continue cheering on Gentle.

                                Like Bakugo.

                                But Bakugo owns up to being a dick, people treat him like a dick and the story treat him like a dick. So I don't feel frustrated by him. I caan be mad at him but not really frustrated.

                                But yeah I think his flashback that was "Remember how Bakugo is a selfish dick that loves winning" could have better served somewhere else. Maybe in fighting Deku or at the license or later.

                                I don't really count Deku's first "fight" with Bakugo. If I'm remembering things correctly, all we got was Deku judo flipping Bakugo and Deku punching up the ceiling without hitting Bakugo. Deku acting brave against his bully was great on an emotional level, and the teamup with Uraraka was very clever. But I don't know I can can call that a true standard "fight" in the sense of a true brawl like Deku's future battles. Not that I am against unorthodox trials like this, they're very cool and I hope we see more of them.

                                I forgot about the Final Exam, but that was more of an escape battle than a real win-or-lose situation. Deku and Bakugo were surviving what was a clear mismatch.

                                I really think there was some gems in there against All Might and Eraserhead.

                                But trying to think best fight either it is Stain against the kids or it's Mirio's against Overhaul. I feel they are the only one not to short and where you can follow actions. the rest are blurry mess, cut scenes or boring.

                                That ironically reminds me of the fire bender guy named Diablo in Suicide Squad becoming pacifist that would never use his powers again after accidentally killing his family, and he let himself be arrested and stuck in jail for years. But using his fire again after getting yelled at and dared a little. So weak and childish.

                                Oh yeah that was a thing. And it was another fire user. I guess firebenders are cursed.

                                I didn't mind Shouto using his fire at that point since Deku's words about that Quirk being his were powerful words that made sense. But I understand wanting a stronger reason for Shouto to break such a lifelong vendetta vow than hearing words of encouragement in the middle of a tournament battle.

                                Like I said I am fine with Deku putting doubt in him which push him to go see his mom. What I don't like is that it straight up broke it. After already almost breaking it in the previous round. To me it makes the motivation shallow in a way I don't think the author intended.

                                It was. I liked that fight's visuals. And I don't mind a fight where a character has to give 110%, even if it's cheesy and predictable. But two super strong guys duking it out is not likely to impress me unless real effort is put into how they use different techniques.

                                I did say best punch not best fight.

                                lol Agreed on all of that. Making Mirio a talented dick is redundant anyways since that is already Bakugo's role.

                                I still feel bad that Mirio didn't get to beat Overhaul even if by teaming by teaming with Deku. He was the most engaging of the two to me when it came to the Eri situation.

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                                I guess regenerating a petty criminal into an useful member of society would be the kind of bs that would keep him away from jail.

                                That could maybe work.

                                @Satsuki:

                                More than Vigilante I think "Anti-Villain" is probably a bit closer to what Gentle is. He doesn't want to honestly hurt anybody or make anybody miserable, he just wants to become a hero in his own way. Which in this case means a lot of crime.

                                I really like the term anti-villain

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                                  I have to say. I don't really care enough about Eri to feel I need to see her smile. She still feels like a prop to me. The kids Bakugou and Todoroki had to deal with I found more interesting. But I think Horikoshi like a lot of shonen authors is developing a habit of writing children victims that aren't interesting or are annoying (kid in the camp arc). They're just there plot wise to make a new generation of kids like Deku. Someone he has to protect that has given up on something. I sorta feel this arc didn't need Eri at all. If the focus was more on the other students, especially those in the class B and other departments I'd feel it was a bit more compelling, since we at least had glimpses of their potential for a fun characters that have longevity.

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                                    I've known enough quack doctors, and the damage that they can do, to be forever distrustful of Hiriluk.

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                                      Hound Dog appear when they introduced Mirio, at the beginning of Overhaul´s arc.

                                      I see. Oh well, I wanted to give the Overhaul arc a reread anyways because reading it on a week to week basis really didn't do this arc any good. Off to read I go 🙂

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                                        Gentle is pretty interesting because his character is based on the desire to be remembered. Just like La Brava, he wants to be acknowledged. His efforts to become "something" lead to nothing and because his regular efforts lead to nothing, he will do anything to gain acknowledgement. What makes him a villain is that he is trying to lift himself up at the cost of others.

                                        I really like that he isn't some big villain. He is a villain that is more "regular", probably more on the level of regular villains heroes usually deal with because not all villains are like Shigaraki or Overhaul. There are different levels of criminals.

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                                          Why is this show so good at inserting filler?

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                                            Why is this show so good at inserting filler?

                                            I think that is because it actually makes sense and shows things that we wanted to see in the manga. It´s not a "We have to give the manga time to advance" type of filler, wich is really nice, the fact that Hori made the class A so likeable (well, except Mineta) also helps.

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                                              Yeah it's just really nice not getting a super abridged version of the trek through the forest. Everyone got to do something which was great.

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                                                My Hero Vigilantes chapter 27 is out!
                                                https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapter/my-hero-academia-vigilantes-chapter-27/6787

                                                ! Guess they decided to go full light hearted this chapter.
                                                ! Nice to see the trio back together and Pop Step has really mellowed out, even doing more than just crowd control. Would be nice to know what happened to Ms. Bee. Is she alright? Did she make up with her dad and mom? Be nice if knuckleduster told them what's really happening. At the very least I want Koichi and Pop to find out themselves.
                                                ! Show us La Brava (and Gentle).

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                                                  Ahahaha. That Icarus quirk…Wow.

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                                                    Ahahaha. That Icarus quirk…Wow.

                                                    Was that part of the quirk? The nakedness was the required but the dude seemed to get off on pretending to guy over and over again lol

                                                    Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                                                    So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

                                                    H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

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                                                      Was that part of the quirk? The nakedness was the required but the dude seemed to get off on pretending to guy over and over again lol

                                                      I guess it was like…nakedness was the trigger and the getting off on it a side effect? I dunno. But man that was the weirdest quirk so far lol.

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                                                        Chopper wanted to be a doctor. To protect people and save them. And mad doctor that knew that chose to let Chopper poison the one person he was close to. That's so traumatic to someone that wants to help people to know he killed the person he loved.

                                                        Hiriluk was dying anyway. Kureha knew full well he had no time left, and she would have told Chopper as much. It's not like he was a fully healthy man with 50 years left to live that took the mushroom. He was a dying man that did a kindness for his son that suffered so much to help him.

                                                        It might have tainted Chopper more to have gotten battered and bruised and nearly killing himself to get a cure only to be told on the spot that he'd gotten hurt for nothing. Hiriluk encouraged the kindness and the effort. Kureha then gave him the study afterward.

                                                        Similar to how Luffy learned his lesson about not being ready yet when Shanks lost his arm.

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                                                          Don't we usually start new threads once they hit 500 pages?

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                                                          Place your bets. Is [AlphaMale/AlphaBro, an obvious ban evader] going to get banned again today, tomorrow, or in a week?

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                                                          okay let's bet . Would love to see your losing face next week !

                                                          An actual bet and conversation on the Chapter 905 thread, literally an hour before he got banned again.

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                                                            We do, but unless a mod do something about it or someone create a new thread at the exact time the next chapter comes out we are stuck here.

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