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Eh. All-for-One shouldn't be out of the plot with a full abdication from evil as long as we don't know about All-Might's backstory, Nana Shimura, and All-for-One's origins. Those are plot points that keep him relevant, and I can't see those being relevant enough to talk about in the present if All-for-One's still stuck in prison after the first hundred chapters. I agree that it would be more interesting to have Shigaraki fully take over, but All-for-One can still contribute.
You don't need as a main villain to get flashbacks. Anyway it's personal preference.
Alright, pretty understandable. Still doesn't explain how mysterious it is that he survived when All-Might, who should have experience with the confines of his power, claims that he should have died. I don't think Horikoshi would be the type to simply pass this off as All-Might being overconfident or All-for-One pulling a Joker where he survives some ambiguously fatal events without any trace of his corpse being found just because. Assuming he isn't just using Shigaraki as a tool for some currently ambiguous purpose related to healing himself or immortality than as a true heir to his legacy (which I wouldn't be a fan of).
http://www.readmanga.today/boku-no-hero-academia/92/6
You seems to be overthink this. They fought All might beat him pretty badly(he is on respirator and doesn't really have a face anymore), got rattled by Sylar who manage to scoop his inside(the hole he showed to the Deku in chapter 1. Thanks to that injury All Might was unable to capture him(which is mention in the link I showed) but considering the gravity of his injuries and that he went dark(which opposite to his wish of control) All Might considered that he might be dead or out of the game.
I mean you say there is no way Sylar could be alive and for All Might to not know but it's exactly what happened. It also has nothing to do with overconfidence. He wreck him pretty badly(you saw what he looks like now) and was never heard from again. He had no particular reason to think he lived.
I think you're misunderstanding what I mean when I'm talking about having the citizens be more active. I apologize for the confusion, but I'm not talking about Deku just making some generic speech one day about how everybody should basically be given the right to act as this world's military and law enforcers. That would be stupid. I'm talking about a situation where there is a huge overlying threat present. One that is most likely active and perhaps even as cataclysmic as a city-level onslaught (think of the Pain Invasion arc from Naruto as an example), and most likely taking place at a time where law enforcement is splintered from the chaos and wherever the story leads in terms of government controversy, and at least a bunch of familiar Pro-Heroes being out of the game in some way by the time that the newer generation's ready to take the reigns. Maybe even a situation where literally the ONLY heroes left are mainly the main student cast at this point barring several exceptions, or perhaps even just a portion of them. Or even some type of situation where one of the last remaining heroes left is Deku, who pretty much has to fight a major enemy or a whole army of villains by himself. And either during or before then, Deku's secret about One-for-All is revealed for the world and sparking much controversy, even as far as the public and media arguing that he may have cheated his way through the hero system and should have his privileges revoked with how uptight Quirk regulations and public hero perception are. Especially if Deku makes big blunder like failing to save All-Might (probably similar to how All-Might presumably couldn't save his mentor) around this point of the story to give people credible doubt of his capabilities as his successor.
Yes I think it is possible public opinion will become Deku's enemy.
No I don't think his status as an hero will be in question.
Quirk regulations aren't really that uptight, just adjusted so people can live in non-chaotic situation.
In such a situation where everything is going to hell and literally nobody is safe, where you either pick a side or cower away while all the chips of familiar protection are taken down during a major societal upheaval. I can totally imagine some sort of inspirational call to arms to the citizens to help stand up and fight. Especially with how the villains in this series are applying terror tactic with spreading their ideologies and weakening the morale of the people. The plot-twist of the initially cynical civilians being inspired enough by the hero to take a stand for both their city and the controversial hero they initially criticized. At least when All-Might fought All-for-One in Kamino, it was just barely on equal terms and the threat was mainly contained to just All-for-One with the few other villains bowing out earlier. With the Villain Alliance growing in numbers and power, Kamino is going to look like a joke compared to the inevitable hero versus villain war looming that will presumably occur during the final arcs of My Hero Academia, or even during the tenure of the students as Pro-Heroes in a sequel series for all we know. Such an event would be a perfect monumental occasion to have the public step up and defend the ideals of the hero society than just predictably rely on being saved as usual.
You seem to plan armageddon.
Civilians are probably allowed to defend themselves.
You call the civilians cynical because they are not interested in playing hero. That seems like some twisted obligation that you want to force on anyone that isn't quirless.
Pretty sure the story is building to a more open system of heroism and less focus on one figure rather than citizens empowerment.
This isn't about having Deku reform the Hero Society into one where anybody should be allowed to be a hero without going through the proper education process and Quirk training. It's about having the public realize what constitutes the true virtue of heroism when it counts and they're in a predicament where they can't rely on a guaranteed chance of somebody else coming in to save the day or the Pro-Heroes alone having enough maneuverability and strength to win. When their seemingly useless Quirks and weak physique can be overcome and utilized in beneficial ways more than they initially believe.Those are two VERY different things. Just like in Chapter 1 where all of the Pro-Heroes were preoccupied or inhibited while Bakugou was being suffocated by slimeball, and Deku's reckless but inspiring act of heroism spurring All-Might to push past his physical fatigue to save the day. The public getting active in such a situation is not a bad one, it's inspiring and would be one of the few perfect ways to cement how Deku can gain All-Might's level of charisma in his own unique right.
Except the public isn't made of heroes. So being heroic isn't really something they thrive to be.
You seem to consider random citizen should be heroic when they (in most case) chose a normal life.
Considering both the heroe system and how they give leeway to vigilantes, they seem to give outlets to those with the qualities of heroes.
The result was that rather than having to rescue 1 potential victim, All might had to rescue 2.
Even the hero present didn't try to act not because it wasn't well-paid or they didn't care but rather because they were ill-equipped and getting involved would most likely make things messier.
Like the first chapter said, all people are not born equal. But that doesn't mean it has to stay that way. What power you have is merely just one factor in determining hero potential. Just look at characters like Mineta, Yaoyozoru, and Aoyama who have Quirks that either seem very limited or borderline useless at first glance. Yet their improvisation and knowledge make them very effective in their own right. Gentle-Man in Vigilante is another good example of how he thought it was too late in life for him to be a hero and that his Quirk was just pathetic. Yet it helped him save Pop-Step from a freaking giant. Sure, there will always be Quirks and individuals as a whole better skilled in a particular activity. But heroism itself has such a broad range of opportunity to contribute that more credit should be given to what the public as a community could do if they rally together during a dire situation. And during that dire situation ONLY. Afterwards, everything can mainly go back to normal. But Deku can stand as a symbol of not just justice, but hard work and how anybody from anywhere has the potential to become a hero in their own right if the situation arises. That any Quirk can be overturned to be selflessly efficient.
The not everyone is born equal was about the quirk(hence age 4) not some societal comment.
Of course knowledge and improvisation matter. Mineta was admitted in the most prostigeous school of heroic in the country. Nest Jeanist is one of the the best heroes despite his quirk. You seem to have some incredibly negative outlook of the society those people live in.
Again you are saying that possessing a quirk makes it your duty to be heroic when it really doesn't. The duty of helping and protecting fall to those that are willing to do so, it isn't imposed on others.
Protecting yourself is not the problem. Seeking the problem when not properly trained is the problem. Your community rally doesn't go against the system. Although I'm not sure why you would would want normal citizens to face hardenned criminal rather than those that are here to serve and protect(heroes/police). Or worse why you think it makes them coward to not choose to be heroes.
Yeah… They kind of don't. It's a mixed bag, really. As seen in how they trashed the U.A. faculty as they were giving out a public apology live on television for Bakugou's kidnapping.
People where concerned for the safety of the children after multiple attack on the school happenned, several students ended in the hospital, and one of them got kidnapped. Seems pretty normal that a school where such thing happened would face serious doubt about the safety it provides.
Yeah, they can obviously gather that Endeavor replacing All-Might isn't favorable because the former is a huge douche. But that doesn't mean they fully comprehend and appreciate everything that made All-Might such an inspiring hero. Everyone is going to praise the most effective hero of all time for his strength and being a nice guy, but that doesn't mean they understand the necessity of having his willpower. How he pushes past his limits and everything. Hence why they were so shocked when he turned human before cheering him on rather than immediately supporting him from the get-go.
All Might carefully worked to make sure to be the inspiration of the people. He told his mentor about his goal and it was pretty clear that to become that face of justice he needed more than strength. You seem to be making this society to be more shallow than it is. If it was the kind you seem to think, All Might would have been fine with hust his strength but he considered it was not.
Just look at Bakugou, he praised All-Might in the first place just because he never loses.
I know you love Boomboom but I think we already established he is(or was) an ass and is pretty much young Flamebeard. Most of the children seems genuinely interested in helping(same for the adults).
Or the kid in the School Trip arc who thought all heroes were fools for risking their lives and aren't as strong as they think or whatever.
You remember it was because he yound and traumatized by the death of both parents. His view point was considered fairly exceptional in this day and age.
You're seriously lowballing how irrational, xenophobic, and hypocritical public perception can be.
You seem to take the marginalized case and make them general ones.
And it ESPECIALLY doesn't mean that they are willing to be as selfless as All-Might or even Deku back when he tried to save Kacchan in Chapter One. Like All-Might said back then to him, most people would have just remained frozen if they saw a person about to die in a seemingly hopeless situation. Even if they immensely cared about them. And why do you think the series has so much thematic controversy over whether or not the Pro-Hero merit compensation and regulation system is corrupt and demeans the ethics of unrewarded selflessness that Stain started? Not to mention the motivations of villains like Twice who aim for villainy just because they feel undeserving of being saved compared to righteous people even though Deku would most likely say that everyone should be rescued. Lots of people don't properly grasp the essential attributes of heroism. Which makes sense because the world of My Hero Academia is supposed to reflect how morally and philosophically complex our world can be, just like many other superhero tales.
But the public is not trying to pretend they are hero. The same way that in our world the common folk doesn't pretend to be a cop.
Yes, Deku has the motivation and drive of an hero which is why All might gave him the means to accomplish it.
I think Stain's stuff is about the heroes having to be selfless and closer to their comic counter-parts. The public isn't his problem.
Stuff like the mind control guy being included in the heroics program(because he has the drive and power) is tackling Stain's point. The public? Not really.
And those random people that praised Bakugou are inconsequential and not representative of how at least some of My Hero Academia's society incorrectly and superficially judges the merits of heroes because…?
Because when they say he would make a good hero, they suppose he would go through the process of a school that will teach him how to be a proper hero and they haven't spent time with him to think he is a dick. I mean all his professor think his temperament is shit and are tring to make him work on it. He just missed his license because of it.
If someone see a kid put a patch for someone and say he would make a great doctor, it suppose that spent to the different process that leads to being a doctor.
So the only way that Deku, or a hero in general, is inspiring is if he lives a lie/half-truth? That's completely disregarding the Kamino climax of everybody seeing All-Might humanized and yet still choosing to have faith in him beating All-for-One due to him being such a familiar and dependable hero that everyone supports. And you are not giving Deku nearly as much credit as he deserves for inheriting All-for-One.
Even if you managed to misinterpreted my words, I'm not sure how what I said on Deku have to with heroes in general.
You said Deku's story with All for one would make him more appealing to those with low self-esteem or a "weak" quirk. I said considering what the quirk he received is it would most likely have the opposite effect in that it would make him less appealing.
Deku could be inspiring people but it would despite the reveal not thanks to it.
Also, you literally described a possibility of why it would be so compelling to see how the public reacts to learning about One-for-All. To evaluate Deku as to if he is worthy of being called a hero and compared to the greats when he seemingly inherited being All-Might 2.0. But it's not that simple at all because Deku went through hell to refine that Quirk. Not to mention the techniques he's willing to put to the table that do not stem solely from his Quirk. And on the subject of Naruto, I can totally compare One-for-All to Naruto having the Nine Tailed Fox in how they both seem like powers that could easily go out of control, harm the host, and spark skepticism from those who are aware of its presence. Not to mention the people who thought he was talentless. Yet Naruto's development eventually allowed him to "earn" its power through coercion and eventually befriending him, along with making his own abilities. Thus getting those naysayers who initially doubted him to instead praise him and recognize his effective worth both physically and emotionally. The dynamic of shifting such a burden into a strength is not that dissimilar to how Deku has learned to gradually harness One-for-All.
The main fact of the matter being that he didn't just get All-for-One and super-strength in one go. He has to constantly work his ass off for it all of the time. Even before he could get the power, he had to train on a strict exercise, diet, and rest regimen for months before his body could even withstand the power without being destroyed. And after he does get One-for-All and finally gains a Quirk that allows him to realize his dream, he has to put up with every attack breaking his muscles and bones before he learns Full Cowl (which only operates at using a balanced ratio of a mere 5% of One-for-All's power). And even after he learns that, he has to deal with situations like the School Trip arc where he has to push above 100% in a full-on fight in order to protect a kid. Also, his tactics are not just reliant on One-for-All as a crutch, but actually applying his mind to analyzing those around him as inspiration for move styles (which we've seen him do with at least All-Might, Bakugou, Gran Torino, and Iida's fighting styles). Even in situations where he can't use his powers, such as manually fighting against Bakugou during the beginning of the Battle Trial arc and against Shinsou in the Sports Festival.
Deku didn't just get All-for-One as a one-way trip to success. He EARNED that power and implemented his own skills to the table that no one else is likely to replicate even if they also All-for-One. That's literally one of his major themes and the dichotomy between him and Bakugou, whose pride and praise were based solely on being born lucky with a powerful Quirk and everybody automatically assuming he had more than enough potential to be a good hero. They didn't care about evaluating his character or even how he creatively applies his Quirk, but just the sheer power in itself. Which is why Mama Bakugou was grateful to U.A. for finally humbling him for the better after how they played a part in spoiling him in his childhood. All of this falls in line with the theme presented in the first chapter of how no one is "born equal". It's not about what Quirk you have, it's about how you refine that and your internal character, the latter of which being why Endeavor is a poor substitute for All-Might that the public is distasteful of and also the cornerstone of Bakugou's character development.
You seem to be trying to prove me Deku is great which has noting to do with my point. We are talking public perception. Deku inheriting All Might's doesn't make him more more accesible but less. It might even discourage people considering he needed such legendary power to make it. People like Mineta or best Jeanist are much interesting when it comes to reassuring those people.
You would arguably have a decent point if this was a world like Marvel and DC where the citizens were just ordinary humans. But in My Hero Academia, most of the population has Quirks with varying degrees of talents and possible applications across a broad spectrum. A world where the public and even Pro-Heroes typically have a bias to judge capability solely in the Quirk without even properly comprehending its full potential. If characters like Mineta and Yaoyozoru are able to find incredibly useful ways to use their Quirk and build up the proper confidence towards achieving Pro-Hero status, then the public could easily get that sort of enlightening boost in a pinch. Especially when the next All-Might icon is found in someone who they find out was originally just a Quirkless kid, and gained Quirk that, if anything, was more detrimental and scarring than beneficial in his path towards becoming a hero at first. You could easily argue that One-for-All was more of a burden than a gift. And only somebody with the willpower, ambition, and compassion that Deku has can master a Quirk like that while most other people would have broke themselves. That isn't supposed to illustrate that your Quirk determines your capabilities, but that any power can find a way to be useful despite the drawbacks it may appear to have.
And Again you seem to mix the people who wants to be helpful(heroes) with those who seek normal life (citizens) because they share common traits(quirk). A military man and a civilian can both have a gun but they don't share the same responsibilities.
Besides that, characters like Aizawa, Stain, and Knuckleduster move, attack, and endure through through human means despite the first two having inhibiting Quirks. Obviously most public individuals aren't trained nearly as well, but there is still hope for them to find ways to contribute.
You are placing way too much attention towards the Quirk itself and not how they can be utilized. I'm not saying that the public should tackle main villains head-on of course, but they can totally get the inspiration to realize that together they can both fight back against nameless weaker baddies and help with rescue operations, or even help distract big-time villains.
Yup, as I thought… This here is what makes us different. When you see the world of academia you see a word made of superheroes. When I see it I see a world full of regular people with powers.
I agree that destroying yourself being portrayed as a negative is a consistent theme. However, I don't think that you're properly acknowledging the context around that. It's more of a case of becoming smarter and learning new methods than never doing anything that puts you at a physical risk. Because heroism literally ALWAYS has a risk. Deku is definitely going to have at least a few more battles over the course of the rest of the series that are going to push him to 100% likely before his body can sustain such an amount. Especially with Noumus and more guys like Muscular waiting to be introduced. Not that Deku won't apply better tactics than previous encounters, but at the end of the day, you can never predict or comfortably conform to a situation where another person's life is in danger. The series also has a consistent theme of pushing past your limits and having the courage to help out even if you are in a weakened state. When lives are on the line, I argue that trying to help out when nobody else will is being made a higher thematic priority than playing it safe and smart. It's just that a balance of both of those are enforced in order to be a proper hero, but they will often not align. That isn't to say that it's wise to throw your life away to add onto the death toll if you know that you have no hope of winning, and there are times where it's better to tactically retreat so as to recuperate and regroup later. But human nature is complex in how we often instinctively think that without giving due credit to our potential and natural ability. And villains won't let you get a choice in saying when you're ready to fight back.
You see the risk Deku take and you think the message is you could destroy yourself. I see Deku's action and I see you can cause more harm than good when you are not a professional.
I'm not saying that society should do whatever they want whenever they want. I'm actually trying to say that when the chips are down and lots of lives are going to on the line to the point that Pro-Heroes are overwhelmed, other people should step up if they're healthy. The villains thrive on inciting anarchy, disorder, and fear in the masses. Having the public overcome that in the climax/endgame of the story when the villains launch some type of major assault and/or the heroes are overwhelmed would be a spectacular message to send about how anyone could and should be a hero in their own right WHEN THE SITUATION CALLS FOR IT. Not all of the time without the proper channels, training, and supervision. Most cases should be left to the professionals. It's just that such a choice of leaving a dilemma in more capable hands is not always going to be available when dealing with such a mighty antagonistic force and hostage situations. Akin to when the students went to Kamino and saved Bakugou despite being restricted and scolded to the point that they should have been expelled by Aizawa. That was a complex situation of right and wrong, but you can assuringly argue that the students who went made the right choice. If exceptions like this can be made in such an intricate villain situation, then another can be made for public contributions when the law and society is on the brink of destruction.
They were all the way to the hospital knew professional were in charge and use a series of tricks to get to the criminals. The fact that you think that the kids copying the device to follow the group of professional hero going after a group of dangerous criminal is somehow a case of when leaving the situation in more capable hands was not an option tells me we won't agree. Except if you just think the end justify the means which I don't agree either. Loved the mission and how it was handled but by no mean does it they made the decision they should have considering they don't see the future.
This type of thing happens all the time in superhero stories. It's always cheesy, but still endearing. And it fits what the thematics and stakes in this series are being built-up as. Especially when Spider-Man is Horikoshi's favorite superhero and most major inspiration for My Hero Academia.
I remember that scene. Cool one. But I don't think in this universe they have the phone number to someone that could help spiderman. Also not sure if they know how dangerous their situation is.