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    • Cyclone_Baroness
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      I think this test does make perfect sense to me. They've all been going to school for this and some already have real world exposure to how chaotic the job of a hero can be. This is for a license, not just a class grade. It should be difficult. There's some kids that are on their second year. They should be able to adapt even better. This portion of the test was specifically about being able to collaborate not necessarily just standing out. It's why there's a examiner for each kid.

      On a side note I don't recall Deku ever swearing. If he can be a unifying force that'd probably keep him in the higher score bracket. I think this will be a good time for the examiners to see therr could be another charismatic hero like All Might in the future.

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        That was the wind guy's issue? Endeavour looked at him in a bad way?

        His issue is that Endeavour and his kid don't act like heroes. They don't care about others, they only care about their own petty bullshit. The whole point of heroes is to help others, being selfless, but the two of them are in it for themselves to the point of calling others an impediment.

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        The entire point of the exam, as shown in the flashback, was for finding the kids that cooperate. They're not trying to culture teamwork, they want the kids who already natural work together and are putting them in scenarios that purposely test and strain that. The ones who figure that out and don't try to show off/lonewolf get the licenses.

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          I never said heroes were too individualistic, don't put words in my mouth, I said formatting tests in a way that engenders competition is ass backwards to the mentality of heroes.

          This phase does not engender competition though. Anyone that stays above 50 points passes.

          Competition was necessary in the first phase because there's not enough resources to accommodate everybody. And it valued teamwork as well, just not as much as the second phase.

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          Going the opposite spectrum and throwing a bunch of people together in a high-stress situation (immediately after the previous test which had them at each others' throats!) without having them train together or grow as a unit is not the fucking answer.

          Several of those test-takers have trained though. Many are 2nd years. The cooperative ones allow for better unit growth, so it's only logical to have those ones pass.

          And again, this is a test. The government is not responsible for making them work together. That's the school's job to make them more cooperative.

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          Even the most highly trained military units in the world don't send teams that can't work together. Yes, in real life combat situations, you never know who will end up with who but that doesn't mean you should throw every hero under the sun into five square kilometers and expect them to come out okay. You should focus on individual people, nurture them to the best of their ability and focus on their individual decision making skills, make teams and have them work together and learn each others techniques and styles. But shoving in a bunch of a LARGE random heroes and expecting them to be able to act as pros is stupidly naive and short-sighted as this chapter just proved where two of the best heroes just got into a petty dick fight with each other.

          Again, this a test. It's not meant to nurture anyone. That's the job of their schools.

          People that are intelligent and cooperative enough to work with others are going to pass. Judgement, decision-making, all those things are being judged as well.

          It's like you're not reading the chapters at all. Those things are being outright stated and you're ignoring them.

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          Nothing in these exams make any sense, how exactly are they even judged in all this mess. We said this was a civilian rescue exam but just for shits and giggles, let's throw in a shitload of villains and now let's see how these 100 so heroes from random schools who know absolutely nothing about each others' abilities fare. Oh we have a 100 pros looking out and deducting points on their stupid ass decisions. how exactly, on what criterion, are some stupid ass decisions judged to be more stupid ass than others? What about that display with Todoroki and M. Bison, I'd disqualify both on the spot after that display! There's just so much shit going on all at once, how can you accurately gauge the conduct of ALL these people? Also how exactly are points given? Rescuing, surviving, being wise, what!? How can you make a standardized evaluation in all this!?

          Points are docked. Everybody starts with 100 points. Remaining with 50 points passes. This was explained in this chapter.

          Judging is done by the victims (according to rescue methods and teamwork) and the suits in the chairs (according to fighting methods and teamwork).

          Please, don't make yourself look dumb. This shit was all explained.

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          And do not tell me "Well you never know what happens in real life!? This could happen!". It doesn't mean we should do a crash course in Armageddon, real life organizations cover individual aspects of an individual's training to build up a person's base and only throw him into high intense situations when he's definitely ready not to weed out whoever can't cut it, the weeds are rooted out in basic training. I know it's shonen but given the whole point of this series is Heroes under government supervision, I wish the government would act more consistent and intelligent. And as I've said before, I will eat all my words if it's made a point that the government is just panicking and making the shitshow and they're called out for their bullshit but none of the characters have made the slightest comment on this, Deku's words of anger were directed at Todoroki and Bison not the unfairness of the exam!

          The government itself explains all this in the first page. The standards are being revised to focus on teamwork over individual aspects, in order to supply All Might's absence.

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          Well whatever, I've clearly put more thought into this than Horikoshi has who seems to only be acting under superficial, it's okay so long as it's cool mindset.

          You haven't. Your criticism is generic and uninformed. And your questions are answered in the first pages.

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          Except one person's issues are WAAAAAYYYY more valid and justified than another's.

          Stain's problem was his dissatisfaction with Hero society and how he saw heroes prioritize fame and money over personal desire to help people, a fundamental decay of the system at large. Inasa's problem is Endeavor looked at him funny because he tried to get a stupid autograph while Endeavor was trying to do his job.

          Remember that Inasa is a different type of person. He has this philosophy, and it was broken. He's like Bakugou, who also has his own brand of morality.

          Plus, it's not like Stain was overreacting either. Killing people because they dared to think about themselves. Never mind that he generalized this view into all heroes, including Ingenium.

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            This phase does not engender competition though. Anyone that stays above 50 points passes.

            Competition was necessary in the first phase because there's not enough resources to accommodate everybody.

            Several of those test-takers have trained though. Many are 2nd years.

            And again, this is a test. The government is not responsible for making them work together. That's the school's job to make them more cooperative.

            Again, this a test. It's not meant to nurture anyone. That's the job of their schools.

            People that are intelligent and cooperative enough to work with others are going to pass. Judgement, decision-making, all those things are being judged as well.

            It's like you're not reading the chapters at all. Those things are being outright stated and you're ignoring them.

            Points are docked. Everybody starts with 100 points. Remaining with 50 points passes. This was explained in this chapter.

            Judging is done by the victims (according to rescue methods and teamwork) and the suits in the chairs (according to fighting methods and teamwork).

            Please, don't make yourself look dumb. This shit was all explained.

            The government itself explains all this in the first page.

            You haven't. Your criticism is generic. And your questions are answered in the first pages.

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            Remember that Inasa is a different type of person. He has this philosophy, and it was broken.

            Plus, it's not like Stain was overreacting either. Killing people because they dared to think about themselves. Never mind that he generalized this view into all heroes, including Ingenium.

            Shut him down!!!!!!!!

            Try your best to be a man and your worst to be a monster

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              @King:

              This phase does not engender competition though. Anyone that stays above 50 points passes.

              Competition was necessary in the first phase because there's not enough resources to accommodate everybody.

              Uh huh, let's have test one have the people at each others' throats and test two have them work together! Brilliant idea! Also what do you mean not enough resources? How do you know that? if there's not enough space of time for one day, why not break it up to different days?

              @King:

              Several of those test-takers have trained though. Many are 2nd years.

              Together. Trained TOGETHER.

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              And again, this is a test. The government is not responsible for making them work together. That's the school's job to make them more cooperative.

              They're from DIFFERENT schools! This is the first time many of them have met!

              @King:

              Again, this a test. It's not meant to nurture anyone. That's the job of their schools.

              People that are intelligent and cooperative enough to work with others are going to pass. Judgement, decision-making, all those things are being judged as well.

              It's like you're not reading the chapters at all. Those things are being outright stated and you're ignoring them.

              What that massive Togashi like text dump is leaving out is how people who don't know each other's quirks are supposed to properly work together. It's like YOU'RE not reading MY posts.

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              Points are docked. Everybody starts with 100 points. Remaining with 50 points passes. This was explained in this chapter.

              Judging is done by the victims (according to rescue methods and teamwork) and the suits in the chairs (according to fighting methods and teamwork).

              Please, don't make yourself look dumb. This shit was all explained.

              How are they docked, on what criterion, bad decisions? Are bad decisions judged equally? Is killing someone docked equally to forgetting to check someone's injuries? Can a bunch of suits and grandpa accurately gauge every goddamn thing in this huge clusterfuck? Wouldn't it have been smarter to break this down to say 10 people a session? 100 heroes at once? Not even the raid of All for One's hideout had that many heroes.

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              The government itself explains all this in the first page.

              No it doesn't. The first two pages explained how the government are trying to force people to team up to get more teams but is doing it in the most heavy handed impractical way possible. Should we look over rosters and pick out suitable candidates whose quirks would probably go along great to make the best possible teams? Nah, let's throw every hero together into a big melting pot and see what we can sluice out of it!

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              You haven't. Your criticism is generic. And your questions are answered in the first pages.

              Well if you're gonna get personal, your replies are short sighted and you're clearly way too forgiving on leaps of logic

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              @King:

              Remember that Inasa is a different type of person. He has this philosophy, and it was broken.

              Plus, it's not like Stain was overreacting either. Killing people because they dared to think about themselves. Never mind that he generalized this view into all heroes, including Ingenium.

              He killed people because they were selfish and betrayed the principles of a Hero. Inasa almost killed a student because Endeavor has funny eyes. it doesn't matter how pretty you try and frame it, we're given nothing else but HIS EYES WERE TOO EVIL, THEY BROKE MEEEEEEE. You know when Syndrome did this in the Incredibles, he was framed as a petty loser.

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                They're from DIFFERENT schools! This is the first time many of them have met!

                As may have been mentioned, that's the point. Part of the test is seeing cooperation between these different groups/individuals in an unexpected situation where it may not be possible to just team up with the folks you know or whoever's convenient. Something that is very possible in a heroes and villains verse.

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                How are they docked, on what criterion, bad decisions? Are bad decisions judged equally? Is killing someone docked equally to forgetting to check someone's injuries? Can a bunch of suits and grandpa accurately gauge every goddamn thing in this huge clusterfuck? Wouldn't it have been smarter to break this down to say 10 people a session? 100 heroes at once? Not even the raid of All for One's hideout had that many heroes.

                We dont know the exact criterion for testing. It's not that vital for we, the readers, to know. Learning the exact criterion would probably require another Togashi-esque info dump anyway. For the purposes of the story, it's enough to know there is one and it's being doled out both generally (by the HUC) and individually (by the specific examiners). That said, we may get something towards the end of the exam showing what got deducted and why.

                More seriously, I wonder if this incident is going to cost Yoarashi and/or Todoroki their licenses before it's over due to letting personal issues get in the way of resolving the crisis.

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                Statler: No you haven't.

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                  Together. Trained TOGETHER.

                  They're from DIFFERENT schools! This is the first time many of them have met!

                  Remember that first chapter? The one that set the tone of the series and laid ground rules for how things worked? Remember how we saw multiple professional heroes from different companies meeting each other for the first time on the field and having those kinds of interactions? I dunno why you think that all heroes know each other or always work in teams, when that's clearly never been the case. You're using an incorrect standard to judge the rest of the series.

                  How are they docked, on what criterion, bad decisions? Are bad decisions judged equally? Is killing someone docked equally to forgetting to check someone's injuries? Can a bunch of suits and grandpa accurately gauge every goddamn thing in this huge clusterfuck? Wouldn't it have been smarter to break this down to say 10 people a session? 100 heroes at once? Not even the raid of All for One's hideout had that many heroes.

                  I mean they literally have judges for each individual hero, so what more do you want? Obviously they trust the judges and the rescuees like anyone trusts any certification in the first place.

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                    Uh huh, let's have test one have the people at each others' throats and test two have them work together! Brilliant idea! Also what do you mean not enough resources? How do you know that? if there's not enough space of time for one day, why not break it up to different days?

                    You know that's stupid right? People who would take the test later would have an advantage in knowledge.

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                    Together. Trained TOGETHER.

                    People who are more cooperative and communicative will do better by nature. And they would allow for better unit growth.

                    @TLC:

                    They're from DIFFERENT schools! This is the first time many of them have met!

                    How many pros heroes work together all the time? The whole point is that heroes have to work well with strangers as well.

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                    What that massive Togashi like text dump is leaving out is how people who don't know each other's quirks are supposed to properly work together. It's like YOU'RE not reading MY posts.

                    Communication is a thing. I can't believe you're asking this. Did you forget this speech from Recovery Girl?

                    "Being able to work with anybody is an optimal ability"

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                    How are they docked, on what criterion, bad decisions? Are bad decisions judged equally? Is killing someone docked equally to forgetting to check someone's injuries? Can a bunch of suits and grandpa accurately gauge every goddamn thing in this huge clusterfuck? Wouldn't it have been smarter to break this down to say 10 people a session? 100 heroes at once? Not even the raid of All for One's hideout had that many heroes.

                    Each taker has its own suit judging them. This is explained too.

                    Again, breaking a test in parts is dumb, because of knowledge in advance.

                    Plus, this is supposed to simulate a large scale disaster.

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                    No it doesn't. The first two pages explained how the government are trying to force people to team up to get more teams but is doing it in the most heavy handed impractical way possible. Should we look over rosters and pick out suitable candidates whose quirks would probably go along great to make the best possible teams? Nah, let's throw every hero together into a big melting pot and see what we can sluice out of it!

                    Again, they're valuing the heroes that are naturally cooperative.

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                    Well if you're gonna get personal, your replies are short sighted and you're clearly way too forgiving on leaps of logic

                    I'm the one showing stuff here. You're the one doing leaps by not reading what's being presented.

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                      Uh huh, let's have test one have the people at each others' throats and test two have them work together! Brilliant idea! Also what do you mean not enough resources? How do you know that? if there's not enough space of time for one day, why not break it up to different days?

                      Yeah, it's like if some goombas made you take an english test, and then a math test right after it! I mean what the fuck is that shit? They test two different abilities, and they're not even related to each other smh.

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                        Why does it matter if they had one test where it was competitive and then next cooperative? They aren't actually enemies. Bison and Icy Hot are the only ones that have a beef currently and it's mostly one sided.

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                          @King:

                          If you just hate the series, you can just go.

                          Could have done without this remark.

                          Originally Posted by Outerspec

                          Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

                          It makes no sense and you'll be dead before you're finished.

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                            @Cyclone_Baroness:

                            Why does it matter if they had one test where it was competitive and then next cooperative? They aren't actually enemies. Bison and Icy Hot are the only ones that have a beef currently and it's mostly one sided.

                            The funny thing is that their beef exists entirely because they do have a connection, and they'd probably be doing fine if they didn't.

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                              Yeah, it's like if some goombas made you take an english test, and then a math test right after it! I mean what the fuck is that shit? They test two different abilities, and they're not even related to each other smh.

                              Except doing English doesn't affect your ability to do Math like working together with people who were your enemies does. But I guess that's part of being a hero! Working with your enemies!

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                                The funny thing is that their beef exists entirely because they do have a connection, and they'd probably be doing fine if they didn't.

                                Pretty much. But they are teenagers and Bison is a bit of an odd duck that seems to have an unintended knack for getting people off guard. He's like weirdly honest and blunt but super simple minded.

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                                  Pretty much. But they are teenagers and Bison is a bit of an odd duck that seems to have an unintended knack for getting people off guard. He's like weirdly honest and blunt but super simple minded.

                                  Like Luffy with Dragon's powers?

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                                  Except doing English doesn't affect your ability to do Math like working together with people who were your enemies does. But I guess that's part of being a hero! Working with your enemies!

                                  Hero/Villain team ups are a thing in comic books, so maybe here, too. That said, nobody here was really an enemy per se. Yes, there was competition but barring some serious incident like Shishikura's actions, there's little reason for anyone present to bear a grudge due to events of the first phase.

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                                    Yeah, they really are just testing two different things, made it pretty clear with the criteria of the second test that they had to put competition aside, everyone seems to have understood it, nobody has been affected by it, and if they were, that would be problematic and get rooted out in the second exam, so there's really no problems.

                                    The beef with Bison is completely unrelated to the exams, and is just a result of him holding a personal grudge and Todoroki being insecure.

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                                      Yeah, they really are just testing two different things, made it pretty clear with the criteria of the second test that they had to put competition aside, everyone seems to have understood it, nobody has been affected by it, and if they were, that would be problematic and get rooted out in the second exam, so there's really no problems.

                                      That makes me wonder if that's exactly why they made the first portion more competitive, to make it that much harder to put it aside later and seriously test who could do it.

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                                        That makes me wonder if that's exactly why they made the first portion more competitive, to make it that much harder to put it aside later and seriously test who could do it.

                                        Also with the amount of people they had playing the helpless citizen also having the amount of students they had in the first phase wouldn't work as well. It'd like like 10 kids per one citzen.

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                                          Could have done without this remark.

                                          Uh, sorry. I was in a hurry and wanted to elaborate more.

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                                          Except doing English doesn't affect your ability to do Math like working together with people who were your enemies does. But I guess that's part of being a hero! Working with your enemies!

                                          Well, yeah. The end of terms for Midoriya and Bakugou were all about them getting over their differences to achieve a goal.

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                                            What's the issue? The test is stacked against the success of anyone who can't put their differences behind them to face a common threat? I'd belive that is something important for heroes to have, even Endeavor and All Might worked together in the last arc.

                                            Why are you calling them "Enemies"?

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                                              it tore him apart, but he learned an important lesson. You can't count on anyone, especially your heroes.

                                              He have problem with those 2 specifically and it's more about the mentality they seem to have.

                                              Yeah… disney quotes aside, holding a grudge against his son is childish, but I suppose these are high school angst characters.

                                              He saw the same expression and behavior from endeveor that's why he doesn't like him.

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                                                One could say the second phase is a redemption of the first phase.

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                                                  This is exactly what could happen in "real life". Some shit happens, there are people who need rescue, a team of heroes who were nearby will come up and try to help, a shit ton of other villains show up, the heroes will need to juggle between helping with rescue and dealing with the villains. There's no guarantee that any of the heroes on the scene knew each other beforehand, even less chance they had any time to train together for team up purposes. That's just the kind of fucked up place they live in. If they want to do hero work in real life, they need to able to pull their shit together and deal with any type of chaotic situation.

                                                  ^^^^
                                                  Let's also remember that this exam is focusing on a worst case scenario. Maybe 95% of rescue operations are carried out by people who know each other, but as a professional hero you need to be ready for that 5% worst case scenario where you're caught off guard and have to team up with strangers. There could be students who work perfectly well under normal conditions but break when it gets too rough, and this test is meant to weed them out.

                                                  It's also a moral lesson incorporated here, and it's to cooperate and put aside your differences. People who were your enemies half an hour ago are now your teammates, you need to work together for the greater good. That's a ground pillar of heroes. There's nothing wrong with combining that with the rescue situation.

                                                  The only thing that's iffy is Wind Guy's motivation. Part of me likes it because in real life simple encounters like that can mean a lot, and it's nice that not everyone has a super sad backstory… But from the perspective of a shonen story it is very weak. Taking it out on Todoroki is just childish. Especially since he's such a cool guy and the whole thing with Endeavor being bad has been built up for some time.

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                                                    His issue is that Endeavour and his kid don't act like heroes. They don't care about others, they only care about their own petty bullshit. The whole point of heroes is to help others, being selfless, but the two of them are in it for themselves to the point of calling others an impediment.

                                                    Just like 90% of the students we have seen so far in the series, its not a surpising behaviour. If anything its kinda dumb for Endeavor to act as a dirtbag with a fan when he wanted to be the number 1 hero, but then again just like his younger version Bakugou being the number one hero must only mean being the top fighter.

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                                                      The only thing that's iffy is Wind Guy's motivation. Part of me likes it because in real life simple encounters like that can mean a lot, and it's nice that not everyone has a super sad backstory… But from the perspective of a shonen story it is very weak. Taking it out on Todoroki is just childish. Especially since he's such a cool guy and the whole thing with Endeavor being bad has been built up for some time.

                                                      I'm hoping that Inasa's vindictive nature towards Shouto is called out by Deku (can't wait for Talk no Jutsu Strikes Back). It would make sense since they're both still kids and acting like prideful idiots in the middle of a cooperation-oriented test with simulated lives on the line. And Inasa's nature to be heavily passionate about anything can get me to buy why he would put up such a huge fuss over his idealism in heroes seemingly being rejected by the Todorokis being lone wolves only aiming for the top for the sake of it. If this was the motivation behind a character even a third built-up as, say, Shigaraki, then we'd have a problem lol.

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                                                        His issue is that Endeavour and his kid don't act like heroes. They don't care about others, they only care about their own petty bullshit. The whole point of heroes is to help others, being selfless, but the two of them are in it for themselves to the point of calling others an impendiment.

                                                        Sums up the root of their conflict, really. But I'll also add that the purpose of this conflict is to have Todoroki confront the fact that his old attitude has hurt those around him who wanted to help or befriend him. He's doing better now, but him making peace with Inasa will help him take another step forward.

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                                                          Sums up the root of their conflict, really. But I'll also add that the purpose of this conflict is to have Todoroki confront the fact that his old attitude has hurt those around him who wanted to help or befriend him. He's doing better now, but him making peace with Inasa will help him take another step forward.

                                                          Agreed. It'll also help separate him from how ignorant his father is towards how his actions have psychological consequences on others akin to how Shouto was raised and watched how his mother was treated. I also like that even though he's made a lot of progress, Endeavor's legacy still has an emotional mark on him. You can't fully get rid of a whole life of psychological abuse in just one arc, or really ever from a realistic standpoint (not that Shouto still can't improve on how to control his emotions).

                                                          So… I know that my science knowledge is a bit wonky. But who wants to bet that Shouto's fire and ice powers can create an ideal mix of warm and cold temperatures to help Inasa make some sort of crazy tornado to take down Gang Orca's crew? Horikoshi has clearly put thought into how their powers can counter each other in order to reflect the tension between them that prevents teamwork, so I argue that he's also conceived a cool team-up move to compliment when they finally agree to put aside their differences. Such an attack might be a bit problematic in terms of collateral damage in a rescue mission if not contained, but I think that the rest of the heroes can cover from the sidelines in such a scenario (or it could get Inasa and Shouto to fail. I wouldn't mind that type of twist).

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                                                            As awesome as the tornado concept sounds, I sort of want both of them to fail and not just get away with a slap on the wrist. Teamwork is a very important aspect in Civilian Rescues and fighting among each other, potentially endangering civilians and allies lives, while creating opportunities for villains to create more havoc is an example of a bad hero.

                                                            The main task of being a hero is saving people, and keeping a cool head in the face of adversity to turn the odds around. Not getting into petty fights and start punching each other.

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                                                              So, speaking of failing, did I get it right? This time they can't get points back, which means ass soon as they go below 50 they've failed?

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                                                                He saw the same expression and behavior from endeveor that's why he doesn't like him.

                                                                Exactly; Inasa was clearly willing to give Todoroki the benefit of the doubt and was actually excited to meet him.

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                                                                  So, speaking of failing, did I get it right? This time they can't get points back, which means ass soon as they go below 50 they've failed?

                                                                  Yes, automatic disqualification.

                                                                  In fact, they could have very well been disqualified already, going by Mera's reaction.

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                                                                    Who's Mera? Is he the Muppet man who's been announcing/commentating?

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                                                                      I actually like that Inasa's hatred for Todorki isn't because of some tragic backstory, but something as simple as "You're a piece of shit and aren't fit to be a hero".

                                                                      Would be cool if the way they're acting ends up making them fail this part of the exam.

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                                                                        Just to point out another thing that could be criticized if this was a real life scenario, it's that you should usually prioritize getting rid of the threat before continuing the rescue operations. Think of an active-shooter scenario

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                                                                          Just to point out another thing that could be criticized if this was a real life scenario, it's that you should usually prioritize getting rid of the threat before continuing the rescue operations. Think of an active-shooter scenario

                                                                          That's pointed out in the chapter as well.

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                                                                            They are actually saying the opposite, prioritizing evacuation:
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                                                                            And the fact is only three fighters went directly to fight, the rest are evacuating or continuing rescue operations. Not that I mind, I'm just saying for argument's sake

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                                                                              I think the difference is that the scenario is an enemy that they can't beat, or at least one that they can't assume they'll be able to deal with. Plus, some heroes are naturally more suited for rescue, anyways. What I'm really wondering is what Bakugou's doing at a time like this, since it seems he'd be better suited for holding off the enemy. Maybe he realizes that his explosions could further destabilize the danger zone, though. I hope we catch up with him again next chapter.

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                                                                                They are actually saying the opposite, prioritizing evacuation:
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                                                                                And the fact is only three fighters went directly to fight, the rest are evacuating or continuing rescue operations. Not that I mind, I'm just saying for argument's sake

                                                                                But evacuation is needed though, because Orca appeared very close to the first-aid area. And collateral damage is a thing that can happen during combat.

                                                                                You'd have a point if the rescuees were away enough, but they aren't.

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                                                                                  As awesome as the tornado concept sounds, I sort of want both of them to fail and not just get away with a slap on the wrist. Teamwork is a very important aspect in Civilian Rescues and fighting among each other, potentially endangering civilians and allies lives, while creating opportunities for villains to create more havoc is an example of a bad hero.

                                                                                  The main task of being a hero is saving people, and keeping a cool head in the face of adversity to turn the odds around. Not getting into petty fights and start punching each other.

                                                                                  I definitely agree that this would be the more interesting route to take. However, I don't think that the students are even going to get informed as to whether they failed or not before this round of the exam's over. otherwise, why give them a total of 100 points if they fail as soon as they go below 50? So they can still beat Gang Orca and his cronies only to find out that their antics cost them their licenses, despite how much they sought to endeavor.

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                                                                                  I think the difference is that the scenario is an enemy that they can't beat, or at least one that they can't assume they'll be able to deal with. Plus, some heroes are naturally more suited for rescue, anyways. What I'm really wondering is what Bakugou's doing at a time like this, since it seems he'd be better suited for holding off the enemy. Maybe he realizes that his explosions could further destabilize the danger zone, though. I hope we catch up with him again next chapter.

                                                                                  I was wondering the same thing about Kacchan, but the strength of his explosions might also be necessary for removing already existing collateral damage that has the civilians pinned down. The only other classmate that can really help out in situations where objects may need to be destroyed with concentrated attacks like that are Ashido with her acid powers (and MAYBE Kirishima and Jirou). Besides, seeing Bakugou deal with a rescue situation or once is a lot more interesting than seeing him in another battle.

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                                                                                    Would be a good place to see a more concrete team up between Kachan and Deku.

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                                                                                    Yes. The issue was not a question of hurt pride or anything, but the way Inasa viewed what a hero should be.

                                                                                    It's pretty much the same issue Stain had.

                                                                                    Well some were specifically talking about dirty looks and autographs, which is only the superficial aspect of the issue.. It is the same problem as Stain, but Inasa is a teen and seems quite passionate, it is no surprise he has a romanticised view on heroes.

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                                                                                      Actually, it is easy to understand Inasa because what is a hero who rejects support of the people, especially in such a setting where being a hero is a public service job. Flaming Father's pr agent must be a true supernatural at this thing when despite his attitude Burning Breeder is still the second best hero around. It is a shame Horikoshi chose to handwave it and present the issue in such a lacking manner that hurts Inasa himself who has been such a swell fellow all around.

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                                                                                        But evacuation is needed though, because Orca appeared very close to the first-aid area. And collateral damage is a thing that can happen during combat.

                                                                                        You'd have a point if the rescuees were away enough, but they aren't.

                                                                                        It might be the necessity for evacuating civilians while handling villains. Taking care of the villain threat then rescuing citizens would be the best case scenario. But they have to consider that the situation may deteriorate at any moment, the villains could damage a structure that could impede heroes or injure/kill civilians. So it would make sense to send out the "heavy hitters" to handle the villains, draw them away from civilians, while the others do the rescuing. I don't know, just some stray thoughts.

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                                                                                          He have problem with those 2 specifically and it's more about the mentality they seem to have.
                                                                                          He saw the same expression and behavior from endeveor that's why he doesn't like him.

                                                                                          Agreed, I just couldn't help drawing the comparison to Syndrome.

                                                                                          That said, I get his motivation. To me it just doesn't quite feel organic with the current information we have. All we know now is that one hero proved to be a jerk and he decided to have a vendetta against all heroes that he determines to be a jerk. We can however assume more than that. I believe that there will be more to the story. Time will tell.

                                                                                          If we take it a step further, we can assume that when Todoroki proved to say essentially the same thing as his father it brought back the memories, and Yoarashi decided then to not like him. If I am assuming though, I am leaning towards the idea that the reason he didn't choose to go to UA in the first place was because he saw that Todoroki decided to go there. If that is right then he had already decided on the grudge… I could be way off. Given his personality he may simply have chosen Chiketsu so that UA would be his rivals and challenge him. Either way I need more information.

                                                                                          I do stand by my it is childish statement. After all they are children, so it is not out of character.

                                                                                          Life flows on. I'd just go with it, if I were me.

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                                                                                            Just imagine the situation happening with Midoriya and All Mighty instead of Inasa and Endeavor. How would Midoriya react to his favorite hero, which he idolized ever since he was kid, all of sudden was just a farce (in terms of personality)?

                                                                                            I imagine he would break down. Bad.

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                                                                                              Just imagine the situation happening with Midoriya and All Mighty instead of Inasa and Endeavor. How would Midoriya react to his favorite hero, which he idolized ever since he was kid, all of sudden was just a farce (in terms of personality)?

                                                                                              I imagine he would break down. Bad.

                                                                                              This makes me wonder how Shigaraki would feel if randomly saw All for One helping an old lady down the street or beating up a mugger. His entire world centric around his villainous role-model would be flipped upside-down.

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                                                                                                This makes me wonder how Shigaraki would feel if randomly saw All for One helping an old lady down the street or beating up a mugger. His entire world centric around his villainous role-model would be flipped upside-down.

                                                                                                The image this gives me is hilarious. Though interestingly I can see Stain doing that sort of stuff. He'd scare the living daylights out of the old ladies, but he'd help them.

                                                                                                Endeavor is more difficult. He's a hero so you'd expect him to help regular people, but his pride might get in the way.

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                                                                                                  Endeavor is more difficult. He's a hero so you'd expect him to help regular people, but his pride might get in the way.

                                                                                                  He merely likes being the best. He may not have the soul of a hero(whathever that is) but he is pretty good at doing it. I totally expect him to help with a a mugger(and probably check if the woman need medical assistance).

                                                                                                  I doubt he would help carry a random woman his groceries if she's 2 block away from him but that's because that's not a heroes job in general(I don't see eraser-head doing it either).

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                                                                                                  Agreed, I just couldn't help drawing the comparison to Syndrome.

                                                                                                  Well syndrom was doing a generalization and changed himself(admirer of heroes to villain). Airbender is still the same, he just have 2 more people he doesn't like.

                                                                                                  That said, I get his motivation. To me it just doesn't quite feel organic with the current information we have. All we know now is that one hero proved to be a jerk and he decided to have a vendetta against all heroes that he determines to be a jerk.

                                                                                                  You seems to imply Airhero let his encounter with Firebeard lead him to make some faulty generalization or let that direct his actions. He did neither. He was still the same guy that love heroes and is always exicted when he met with I&F. He was also the same at the start of the exam with U.A. kids. He very specifically don't like Father and son for stuff they personally did.
                                                                                                  It would be the same as someone not liking superman because he proved to be a jerk(or far from having the values a hero should have. That's fine if you don't generalize to the rest.

                                                                                                  If we take it a step further, we can assume that when Todoroki proved to say essentially the same thing as his father it brought back the memories, and Yoarashi decided then to not like him.

                                                                                                  Flamethrower did the same as his father meaning prioratizing his own achievements and greatness over the genuine wanting to help people. He saw it in both and disliked both. Not because he reminded him of the father but because he thinks that's not the way a hero a hero should think. He wouldn't like Boombom either if he tought he was that kind of guy.

                                                                                                  If I am assuming though, I am leaning towards the idea that the reason he didn't choose to go to UA in the first place was because he saw that Todoroki decided to go there. If that is right then he had already decided on the grudge… I could be way off.

                                                                                                  He did go to Chiketsu because of I&F. He didn't want to spend his studies with someone to opposite values to his and went to another equally prestigeous school.

                                                                                                  Given his personality he may simply have chosen Chiketsu so that UA would be his rivals and challenge him. Either way I need more information.

                                                                                                  Except even given the chance(previous round) he has never seek confrontation. Even in the waiting Zukoburn was the one to engage him and he simply had a simple talk.

                                                                                                  I do stand by my it is childish statement. After all they are children, so it is not out of character.

                                                                                                  Well he believe heroes should also be about heart rather than only performance. That might be naive but I wouldn't say childish.

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                                                                                                    Well he believe heroes should also be about heart rather than only performance. That might be naive but I wouldn't say childish.

                                                                                                    Holding that belief is fine. But believing from a quick moment that the son is just like the father, possibly refusing the admission to U.A. just because of an "irresponsible" aspiring hero like Shouto going there, having a vendetta against a guy he only talked to once for less than three seconds without giving him some sort of benefit of the doubt, and obnoxiously risking a comrade's life and the efficiency needed in a rescue operation because of said vendetta against someone he's barely gotten to know is indeed pretty childish. Chalking it up to just naivety only extends to thinking both Todorokis are the same at most, not how Inasa chooses to treat them and set his priorities during a license exam with hero situation simulations (let alone one where both injured civilians and villains are on the prowl). The fact that they're both angsty teens doesn't help Inasa's overall impression, but makes it more justified and fitting for a high school series.

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                                                                                                        Holding that belief is fine. But believing from a quick moment that the son is just like the father, possibly refusing the admission to U.A. just because of an "irresponsible" aspiring hero like Shouto going there, having a vendetta against a guy he only talked to once for less than three seconds without giving him some sort of benefit of the doubt, and obnoxiously risking a comrade's life and the efficiency needed in a rescue operation because of said vendetta against someone he's barely gotten to know is indeed pretty childish. Chalking it up to just naivety only extends to thinking both Todorokis are the same at most, not how Inasa chooses to treat them and set his priorities during a license exam with hero situation simulations (let alone one where both injured civilians and villains are on the prowl). The fact that they're both angsty teens doesn't help Inasa's overall impression, but makes it more justified and fitting for a high school series.

                                                                                                        I had a long response that adress each individual fact but it got lost. I'll try the water down version.

                                                                                                        Either it is stupid for him to think of Endeveor as a jerk based on what he know, and in this case doing the same with Shouto is stupid or he is right about endeveor and Shouto. Either way his assertion about Shouto has nothing to do with him being Endeveor's son, it's about making the same observation in similar context and getting the same conclusion. If it was Bakougou he saw those eyes in, it would be the same. It might be stupid but it's not bias.

                                                                                                        Inasa did not get in a vendetta with Shouto, he decided to take an equally prestigeous school and avoided any confrontation or confrontation with him until their quirks started messing each other and he knows Shouto has 2 quirks. So he has consistently prioritize the exams and has shown no interest in getting in some petty squabble.

                                                                                                        He also did not risk a comrade's life. He would need to at the very least think his actions could lead to that. Him and Todoraki fired(considering their bad quirk chemestry he seemed to assume Todoraki would switch) at the same time towards the enemy and their quirk got bad chemestry and end up doing things neither plan for at all.

                                                                                                        If he end up continuing enticing Shouto you will have a point but considering his hot-blood temparement got him on a mess before and he has been avoiding any confontration from the start and just do his job, I think calling his behavior childish a grand exaggeration.

                                                                                                        Also not sure what "on the prowl" means.

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