I have way more faith in Horikoshi's relationship-writing skills than Kishi's. Maybe it won't ever be a focus but it'll be there.
My Hero Academia - Gomu Gomu no Gentle Fist
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Writting a relationship between 16 different characters sounds like a hard deal.
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Writting a relationship between 16 different characters sounds like a hard deal.
Um, there are twenty kids in Class 1-A lol. Unless you're talking about the four main Hidden Leaf squads from Naruto including their teachers for some reason.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
Um, there are twenty kids in Class 1-A lol. Unless you're talking about the four main Hidden Leaf squads from Naruto including their teachers for some reason.
Was thinking about Dangan Ronpa at the moment.
My bad.
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Was thinking about Dangan Ronpa at the moment.
My bad.
It's understandable lol. I just hope that the DanganRonpa 3 is entertaining as a satisfying conclusion. I'm waiting until the season is finished for binge-watching.
Back on-topic, I'm really digging Kaminari and Kirishima's updated costumes. And that bracelet contraption Kaminari has probably releases a lightning sword akin to what he wanted his special move to be a chapter or two ago. But what's interesting is that it has two ports on the back side in addition to one on the front. I can't help but ironically imagining something like the Buzz Blades from Ratchet & Clank rather than something like Mega Man.exe's Battle Chip Sword from Mega Man Battle Network. Here are a couple of pics for those not familiar:
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I'm curious about Jirou's headphones and Kouda's mouth mask as well. And on the topic of Naruto, Tokoyami's Dark Shadow shroud reminds me a lot of the Jinchuriki forms. Shouto's bracelets caught my eye as well, but I hope it allows him to do something more creative than just increase temperature endurance.
By the way, did anybody comment on Mineta's special move seemingly involving… Well, his Quirk being made into anal beads? XD
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I am more curious what is the purpose of the clocks in Monoma's belt. Is that just fashion?
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I noticed those as well, but I dismissed it since Kendou said that he didn't want to stand out due to how bland his power was. But actually, wasn't it stated that he can only steal Quirks for five minutes? The clocks might extend that duration limit.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
I noticed those as well, but I dismissed it since Kendou said that he didn't want to stand out due to how bland his power was. But actually, wasn't it stated that he can only steal Quirks for five minutes? The clocks might extend that duration limit.
Or for him to just keep track of how long he will have it running?
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Or for him to just keep track of how long he will have it running?
Should those be in his arms then?
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@Count:
I noticed those as well, but I dismissed it since Kendou said that he didn't want to stand out due to how bland his power was. But actually, wasn't it stated that he can only steal Quirks for five minutes? The clocks might extend that duration limit.
Or be a way to easily track it.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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Jirou's headphones probably help her safeguard against loud noises since she realized how vulnerable she was against Present Mic. They might also help her change the type of noise she outputs too.
Kirishima's change might be intentional to conceal whether his arms are hardened or not.
Kouda's quirk is voice-based so the mask probably amplifies or dampens sound.
No clue what Kaminari's thing does but it's probably overcomplicated and dumb. He should really be focused on extending his reach through the use of wires or an extendable lightning rod.
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Putting them around his waist seems counter productive though. And why does he need several of them? Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just decoration.
Jabberwok's insight on Jirou's and Kouda's headphones sound pretty spot-on, although I don't really see Kouda being able to do anything he couldn't before unless the range of his voice suddenly increased.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
although I don't really see Kouda being able to do anything he couldn't before unless the range of his voice suddenly increased.
If Kouda's mask allows him to communicate on a frequencies only animals can hear, it might prevent him telegraphing his attacks too much against human opponents, as he has to instruct the animals pretty clearly.
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@Count:
Putting them around his waist seems counter productive though. And why does he need several of them? Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just decoration.
Jabberwok's insight on Jirou's and Kouda's headphones sound pretty spot-on, although I don't really see Kouda being able to do anything he couldn't before unless the range of his voice suddenly increased.
I guess we can all agree that it was a waist of time.
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That explanation for Kouda actually makes perfect sense. I was thinking too offensively. That, and he shows up so little in the manga that it's hard to remember how his Quirk was portrayed lol.
Cyclone, that was beautiful.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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I guess we can all agree that it was a waist of time.
Watch it, those kind of puns hit below the belt.
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Do it too much and we'll all buckle under the weight of all that low brow humor.
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Some kind of conversion to ultrasonic waves would make a ton of sense for Kouda's! I was trying to think of a way to keep his opponents from knowing his orders and that makes perfect sense. Most animals can hear at pitches higher than humans can.
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@Count:
Putting them around his waist seems counter productive though. And why does he need several of them? Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just decoration.
Jabberwok's insight on Jirou's and Kouda's headphones sound pretty spot-on, although I don't really see Kouda being able to do anything he couldn't before unless the range of his voice suddenly increased.
Last time he could use get two powers at once if I'm not mistaken, maybe now he can even do it one more, hence why the three clocks.
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Last time he could use get two powers at once if I'm not mistaken, maybe now he can even do it one more, hence why the three clocks.
I'm too lazy to re-read the Sports Festival chapters where Monoma uses his powers. But the wiki says that even though he can steal multiple quirks at a time, he specifically can't use two or more powers at the same time. So maybe your theory could work starting with two or three powers being wield simultaneously instead.
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Still no preview for the upcoming volume´s Cover?
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@Count:
While I am fine with presenting an organic relationship between Izuku and Uraraka, the recurring gag of Uraraka constantly getting freaked out by people that she's in love is getting old. If Horikoshi can switch up the execution and humor a bit to not transform her into Hinata and instead have more natural, diverse, and therefore funnier, moments like how she was a bit jealous of Hatsume getting so intimate with Izuku in her excitement to rework his costume. I agree that the series didn't really need the relationship either, but you have no idea how refreshing it is to actually be tackled with humble pacing in the story and character insight rather than having Uraraka be an obligatory love interest archetype that the protagonist is blind to from the start.
And I immensely agree with that statement, MDL. If only Ashido and Jirou could get more of a spotlight in the plot compared to Uraraka, Tsuyu, and Yaoyorozu. I didn't mention Hagakure because her characterization is so literally transparent lol that she can only get memorably expanded among the cast if she turns out to be the traitor, which is why I'm banking on that reveal (not to mention the onslaught of evidence and how much her power fits).
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Of course; and the female characters can indeed get more attention as a whole and Uraraka has had great character moments. But it's a shonen manga. I don't like to have to butcher my expectations to fit a series, but I doubt that we're going to see any of the females get as much attention or feats as the guys. Just the attention they're getting with personal quirks, unique designs, power usage, and emotional insight they've been getting are extraordinary enough for the entire genre lol.
I wouldn't say that it ruins her character development. Especially when her admiration for Deku is not rooted solely in irrational love but through genuine respect and admiration from him as a source of inspiration to drive herself to improve both internally and externally. It at least has a somewhat reasonable basis, and she still has enough individuality and potential plot lines to get character investment that solely isn't tied down to being a love interest.
Don't get me wrong though, I agree that it might have been preferable to focus on them solely as respective classmates on an equal plane. And the relationship theme can EASILY go wrong. But I think that Horikoshi at least deserves a chance to let us see if he can put a positive execution on this compared to other manga from his qualitative track record in this manga.
That is also true. But to be fair, at least he's not trying to cram them all in at once and rush their character exploration like the squads in Naruto. Who were eventually abandoned except for the main trio and Shikamaru just because. When you have a main cast that revolves around twenty characters, not including Class 1-B and now Seiketsu High being introduced, other departments like Hatsume, the pro-heroes, and also an entire League of Villains (we still barely know anything about the previous users of One for All and All for One despite his plot significance), juggling all of that can be extremely stressful and full of regrets. I think I remember Horikoshi even saying in one of the volumes that he wishes that he could work in Ashido more in the plot to shine as a character, which shows that he does care somewhat about expanding his characters. And there are still plenty of guys in the main cast lacking character exploration and general attention if you count Ojiro, Kouda, Satou, Shouji, and Sero, so lack of characterization exposure is not exclusive to the females.
And Todoroki's backstory and development was really captivating. But his personality is still a blank slate to the point that it's recurring joke for him to have emotive opinion lol.
Thumbs up to everything above!!!
I'd also like to add that I believe that it is adding up to one big moment for them. Ochako's motivations are particularly relatable, but as you said (I think), she needs to discover why she wanted to be a hero. Not for her parents' sake, but for her own sake. Honestly, it feels like she's being set up to clash with Stain's ideals. This is one development I'd love to see. Stain's ideals are has some hypocrisy in it as he judges the heroes arbitrarily, as we can see against Tensei.
I would love to see All Might dropping by in jail to expose how conceited his views are by showing him Ochako's entrance exam. Even by taking her motivation into account, she is still every bit the hero All Might and Deku is and one who can be considered a candidate for his Quirk. I would really love it if they confronted each other, which leads to her self-discovery of why she wants to be a hero.
As for Ochako's role as the love interest, I think I have a pretty good idea where Hori's going with this. From their first meeting alone, it's actually pretty clear what the nature of their relationship, or rather, their love will be like. Deku saved her life from getting crushed, and Ochako saved him from falling to a messy death. Aside from All Might, Ochako is easily the most influential person in his life. All Might gave him the means to become a hero, but it was Ochako who made him the hero he is today.
In short, they're each other's heroes.
Should Deku doubt himself, he can seek solace in Ochako's love and support. Ochako can look towards him as her source of inspiration.
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Thumbs up to everything above!!!ď‘Ťď‘Ťď‘Ť
I'd also like to add that I believe that it is adding up to one big moment for them. Ochako's motivations are particularly relatable, but as you said (I think), she needs to discover why she wanted to be a hero. Not for her parents' sake, but for her own sake. Honestly, it feels like she's being set up to clash with Stain's ideals. This is one development I'd love to see. Stain's ideals are has some hypocrisy in it as he judges the heroes arbitrarily, as we can see against Tensei.
I would love to see All Might dropping by in jail to expose how conceited his views are by showing him Ochako's entrance exam. Even by taking her motivation into account, she is still every bit the hero All Might and Deku is and one who can be considered a candidate for his Quirk. I would really love it if they confronted each other, which leads to her self-discovery of why she wants to be a hero.
As for Ochako's role as the love interest, I think I have a pretty good idea where Hori's going with this. From their first meeting alone, it's actually pretty clear what the nature of their relationship, or rather, their love will be like. Deku saved her life from getting crushed, and Ochako saved him from falling to a messy death. Aside from All Might, Ochako is easily the most influential person in his life. All Might gave him the means to become a hero, but it was Ochako who made him the hero he is today.
In short, they're each other's heroes.
Should Deku doubt himself, he can seek solace in Ochako's love and support. Ochako can look towards him as her source of inspiration.
Thanks! And I definitely agree with your feedback. In fact, I remember thinking the same thing about Ochako's motivation when listening to Stain's criticisms of the Hero system's hypocritical regulations and greed. It's kind of weird that she didn't end up having a notable role in that arc alongside Izuku, Iida, and Shouto, but like you said, that might be saved for when we eventually see Stain again either in prison or after potentially breaking out. I doubt that an author who plans ahead as much as Horikoshi introduced him in a neighboring cell to All For One on a sheer whim with his own close-up panel to specifically draw attention to the fact he's there. And I definitely wouldn't mind her finding personal realization for wanting to be a hero that isn't directly stemmed to anybody else but of her own volition. That is an example of what I meant by her still having character potential to be explored that wasn't solely romantic-based, especially since the overall topic on the flaws of the hero system and potential reforms for it are far from over, especially when we learn more about All-Might's past and role in establishing the superhero society of the present day.
And it is pretty nice that they inspire each other. But I would if you're going to give credit to both All-Might and Ochako, I would also extend an equal amount towards Bakugou. Not just as an adversary and rival to indirectly test his self-confidence, but because his tenacity to become the never lose is something that has always inspired Izuku since he was a kid despite how much of a jerk Kacchan is. Not to mention that his Full Cowl maneuvers specifically draw inspiration from Bakugou's own fighting patterns. And the fact that Izuku's progress in harnessing his abilities both humbling Bakugou's rash narcissism and compelling him to strive to improve his skills rather than rely solely on the superficial praise given by others in awe of his Quirk's power is the icing on the cake for their character interactions. Their ironic and intricate relationship along with Bakugou's character development really helps the execution of his character turn out to be a lot less cliche and predictable than he appears at first glance, and makes him one of my favorite characters in this series.
I still agree with how you described the cornerstone of Deku and Ochako's relationship though. Such a dynamic of mutually inspiring and supporting each other is quite beautiful and gives a lot of depth to the potential of where their relationship can lead.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Thanks! And I definitely agree with your feedback. In fact, I remember thinking the same thing about Ochako's motivation when listening to Stain's criticisms of the Hero system's hypocritical regulations and greed. It's kind of weird that she didn't end up having a notable role in that arc alongside Izuku, Iida, and Shouto, but like you said, that might be saved for when we eventually see Stain again either in prison or after potentially breaking out. I doubt that an author who plans ahead as much as Horikoshi introduced him in a neighboring cell to All For One on a sheer whim with his own close-up panel to specifically draw attention to the fact he's there. And I definitely wouldn't mind her finding personal realization for wanting to be a hero that isn't directly stemmed to anybody else but of her own volition. That is an example of what I meant by her still having character potential to be explored that wasn't solely romantic-based, especially since the overall topic on the flaws of the hero system and potential reforms for it are far from over, especially when we learn more about All-Might's past and role in establishing the superhero society of the present day.
And it is pretty nice that they inspire each other. But I would if you're going to give credit to both All-Might and Ochako, I would also extend an equal amount towards Bakugou. Not just as an adversary and rival to indirectly test his self-confidence, but because his tenacity to become the never lose is something that has always inspired Izuku since he was a kid despite how much of a jerk Kacchan is. Not to mention that his Full Cowl maneuvers specifically draw inspiration from Bakugou's own fighting patterns. And the fact that Izuku's progress in harnessing his abilities both humbling Bakugou's rash narcissism and compelling him to strive to improve his skills rather than rely solely on the superficial praise given by others in awe of his Quirk's power is the icing on the cake for their character interactions. Their ironic and intricate relationship along with Bakugou's character development really helps the execution of his character turn out to be a lot less cliche and predictable than he appears at first glance, and makes him one of my favorite characters in this series.
I still agree with how you described the cornerstone of Deku and Ochako's relationship though. Such a dynamic of mutually inspiring and supporting each other is quite beautiful and gives a lot of depth to the potential of where their relationship can lead.
Well, I put them in the following order of inspiration & influence for Deku:
1. All Might
2. Ochako
3. BakugouI put them like so if only because I'm not into his character as much as some do like you. I will concede his influence, though, that's a fact. I honestly am hoping for that one moment where he finally learns the truth about OFA. I'd say he's figured out halfway through, but All Might needs to be honest with him. You might disagree, but I still think he needs that one final kick to his pride. And that being given the reason why All Might chose Deku as his successor, by pulling up his entrance exam scores.
Bakugou has only focused on the technical aspects of being a hero. He needs to learn why Deku is the hero he is. That, I think, will be the rebirth of Bakugou once he understands All Might's decision.
I'm not just hoping for him to find out too, I'm also hoping that Deku will tell his closest friends the whole truth. All Might had always been trying to bear the weight of the world on his shoulders. This is where Deku needs to make a break from his predecessor. Deku and All Might has been bestowed a god-like power. But at the end of the day, they're but a single man. That's why Deku needs to let others share the load.
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I think Deku is already on that path. Many of his most successful moments have been the result of making good use of his and his allies' talents. He has a much more solid grasp of teamwork than I think All Might has ever had.
In fact, what I think would be a neat way to signify that would be to see Deku name his attacks after his allies and friends. Ex: a series of parkour leaps followed by a surprise attack would be a Torino Smash.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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Well, I put them in the following order of inspiration & influence for Deku:
1. All Might
2. Ochako
3. BakugouI put them like so if only because I'm not into his character as much as some do like you. I will concede his influence, though, that's a fact. I honestly am hoping for that one moment where he finally learns the truth about OFA. I'd say he's figured out halfway through, but All Might needs to be honest with him. You might disagree, but I still think he needs that one final kick to his pride. And that being given the reason why All Might chose Deku as his successor, by pulling up his entrance exam scores.
Bakugou has only focused on the technical aspects of being a hero. He needs to learn why Deku is the hero he is. That, I think, will be the rebirth of Bakugou once he understands All Might's decision.
I'm not just hoping for him to find out too, I'm also hoping that Deku will tell his closest friends the whole truth. All Might had always been trying to bear the weight of the world on his shoulders. This is where Deku needs to make a break from his predecessor. Deku and All Might has been bestowed a god-like power. But at the end of the day, they're but a single man. That's why Deku needs to let others share the load.
Why would I in any way disagree? The moment when Bakugou finds out about One for All is going to be absolutely priceless and probably one of the best emotional moments in the manga. His character is at his greatest whenever his pride is humbled in some fashion (part of my favorite aspects of characterization is seeing particular characters struggle and undergo profound development as a response). I also agree that confessing about his power to his closest friends would be wise and eventful as well, not to mention a huge asset.
I think Deku is already on that path. Many of his most successful moments have been the result of making good use of his and his allies' talents. He has a much more solid grasp of teamwork than I think All Might has ever had.
In fact, what I think would be a neat way to signify that would be to see Deku name his attacks after his allies and friends. Ex: a series of parkour leaps followed by a surprise attack would be a Torino Smash.
Naming his attacks after his friends would be pretty cool. A bit cheesy, but very sweet. It would perfectly suit a character like Deku.
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Honestly, I still think AM really should've at least told Inko about the truth. Out of everyone out there, she had an absolute right to know what was going on. Not only that, it would've been the perfect oppoturnity for All Might to finally tell the story of how Toshinori Yagi became the symbol of peace.
Not telling his friends about OFA would also be detrimental for Deku's friendships, so I do hope he eventually owns up to the truth one day.
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I agree. Although if that did occur, then there would be no way in Hell that Inko would allow him to still go back to school or even play vigilante. She needs a bit more development from seeing Deku's growth to believe in his potential then almost breaking his arms to save one boy from one Muscular. But perhaps it's being saved for a latter, more emotionally tense moment that isn't in the aftermath of an arc.
But to be honest, I like that we don't know All-Might's origin story and anything about his mentor yet. Because despite not knowing the full implications of his relationship with All for One, during their fight, it seriously felt like a grand final battle of the previous generation of heroes. Even though we don't know their history and full idea of their hate for one another, you can still feel the raw mood of grand and climactic it is. And then when we find out years later about their past and look back on that fight, it will mean so much more while allowing the backstory to have enough build up and hype to make it matter rather than just pushed into our faces in one arc to force us to feel emotionally invested. Instead of just being shown it and expecting us to care, Horikoshi is making us interested in the scale of their conflict to want to eagerly find out their story and help set up the reveal as a big deal like it should feel rather than just being told it is. It would have been a somewhat fitting moment for All-Might to reveal his story to Inko, but I trust that Horikoshi has a much more emotionally impacting and epically built-up situation for when the cat will be let out of the bag.
But yeah, his friends have to find out eventually.
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I could imagine telling his friends as another way Deku differentiates himself from All Might (and maybe the prior inheritors of One For All).
Of course, it's not a simple thing to reveal this particular secret. One For All is a powerful Quirk, unique in its ability to be passed down. I understood that to be the main reason keeping it secret from everyone was so vital. If word got around, intentionally or otherwise, to villains they might get the idea that can steal the Quirk. Alternatively, since now know the transfer has to be willing, someone could torture Deku until he's broken enough to be willing to give One For All to someone else.
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Telling it to his friends would also prevent it from falling into the wrong hands in the worst scenario. Deku could have any of his friends be its guardian, or as his successor, if the worst comes to happen. He could begin the extraction process, and leave it to a person of his choosing for safe-keeping until a suitable successor comes along (or just directly choose one of his friends as the next successor).
Of course, this depends if Deku gets weaker as soon as he begins the extraction process, or as soon as his successor ingests his DNA.
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I think, at the very least, Ochako, Iida and Bakugo will find out about the secret. Ochako and Iida are Deku's best friends and even All Might told his best friend. Bakugo will probably find out some other way, since he's the main rival.
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I wonder.
Who would win a fight - All Might or Silver Fang from Onepunch Man ? I know its completely offtopic but I just wanted to throw it out here :^)
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I wonder.
Who would win a fight - All Might or Silver Fang from Onepunch Man ? I know its completely offtopic but I just wanted to throw it out here :^)
I think you want to say All Might vs Satiama. It will be a bouquet of enternal punches.
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I think you want to say All Might vs Satiama. It will be a bouquet of enternal punches.
Whenever I see one of these involving Saitama, it's usually with the intent of suggesting X can beat him. Not assuming that's the case here, especially if Silver Fang was the intent, I just wanted to note that such comparisons always seemed to miss a very important point to me: Saitama WANTS to be beaten. Or to at least meet someone capable of beating him. He'd be THRILLED if a X could beat Saitama meme was correct.
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I don't remember Bang even having that many notable feats. Especially since the heroes can never overpower the villains at the expense of Saitama's narrative role to save the day with-you know. I don't doubt that he can replicate All Might's feats, but I doubt he has many accomplishments to rely on. And so many of the battles are filled with generic over-the-top destruction and seemingly OP enemies that there's no real scale to compare relative character strength/growth in that series, barring Saitama.
Moving onto another topic, I know this is a random thing to comment on, but Tsukauchi, the police friend of All-Might, rubs me the wrong way. And I don't mean in his demeanor, but in his role in the narrative.
You can kind of get what basic role/archetype everybody plays in the story barring plot twists and character development, like All-Might being the protagonist's mentor, Aizawa being the gruff but endearing teacher, the quirky student supporting cast with their own struggles and growth, Shigaraki becoming the next greatest supervillain as a parallel to Deku becoming the greatest hero, etc. Not that I mean to insinuate that the story can't get creative, have character development/plot-twists, and often turn tropes on their head, but it still follows and embraces the main cornerstones of what makes up a shonen with pride similar to One Piece. However, Tsukauchi feels like an odd man out in which I have no idea how to define his place in the cast and plot by shonen/narrative standards. He's one of the few people privy to All-Might's identity and All for One, but is the only one who is a completely average human. While we don't know much about All-Might's backstory, we can at least put together the pieces to understand the effect and roles that Gran Torino and Nana Shimura played in his life, and in a typical shonen fashion. Yet we hardly know anything about Tsukauchi and how he fits into all of that or All-Might's life other than he just happens to be cool with the most renowned Pro Hero of all time. And while he never really takes up much spotlight or focus in the story at all, he's always one of the few people that keeps up with the big beats in the story, like knowing about the villain hideout raid, knowing about Shigaraki confronting Deku in the mall, knowing about the Nomus and their genetic makeup, knowing about the villain invasion at USJ and getting permission by the principal to investigate, seemingly knowing about All-Might's One for All predecessor and their story in the hospital scene, and I think he even hinted at trying to help All-Might capture All for One before in a conversation they had after the mall incident. I mean, most of these are publicly known events, yes, but barely anybody outside U.A. is actually seen on-panel at the these scenes as they're going on or during the aftermath, explicitly mentioned to know about them, and is constantly investigating the villains and All for One. Horikoshi could have written at least a couple other discount generic officers to appear, but no, he always has Tsukauchi and Tsukauchi only show up as representation of the law enforcement besides that dog chief in the Slain arc. And he came up with the theory that the Noumus are created by a Quirk that bestows Quirk, so we know he has a decent (but not completely genius or anything that stands out too much) intellect on him, even by police detective standards.
Like, on one hand, it's easy to view him as a minor character/two-bit cop character because of him not playing very active roles in the arcs and we don't know much about him. But he frequently appears, is connected to the most major character in the series besides the protagonist, and is constantly in the know of the story's biggest events. I mean, sure, other people (namely Pro Heroes) know about All-Might's identity and even his powers, but they aren't hinted to have as personal a connection, and it's understandable that superheroes that you end up teaming up and bonding with will eventually learn about who you are. Not to mention that characters like Cementoss are either just minute plot devices or barely have any fleshed our personality or recurring appearances, unlike Tsukauchi, the one and only seemingly normal person around. I doubt that we're not going to learn more about his relationship with All-Might, but the question is what, exactly. He keeps appearing just enough to not be forgotten but doesn't make any noticeable plays in the arcs. Like Horikoshi is keeping him around for some sort of pay off and having us occasionally remember that "hey, that guy still exists" by showing up whenever a big incident happens or when All-Might is having personal downtime. In fact, is there any other major "normal" character besides him in this series? Because the flawed "everyman" character with no powers ordinarily ends up playing a crucial unexpected role in every superhero story whether they're a close friend like Zeke from the Infamous video games or a critic like J. Jonah Jameson. You have to wonder why somebody like this was written into the story when he seems a bit unnecessary and disconnected, yet connected to everything, if that makes sense.
I don't mean to be a conspiracy theorist or say something as outrageous as, I don't know, pulling an Obito reveal and becoming the final villain (although ironically enough, I have seen a theory or two about that, like Tsukauchi taking control of law enforcement with the Noumus the police took into custody after the Hideout Raid to act as the equivalent of the Sentinels in the X-Men for superhero society lol). But narratively speaking, I have no idea where Horikoshi is going with this character, and it's honestly making me a bit suspicious. Call me crazy or ignore me if this doesn't make much sense to you, but I just had to be honest here. Although I have seen people point out how he dresses similar to Kurogiri. And the villains knew about All-Might weakening, and while they could have gotten it from observation or All for One, it could have been leaked by someone as specially close to All-Might like Tsukauchi. Heck, why can't he be the traitor instead of any of the students or the teachers? Regardless, Horikoshi is planning something with this character.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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Haha what a wall of text.. will read it after work though :)
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I have a really bad habit of not being more preferably concise lol, but that's just how intricately packed my thoughts and analyses are.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
I have a really bad habit of not being more preferably concise lol, but that's just how intricately packed my thoughts and analyses are.
I likewise get sinister vibes from Tsukauchi. Don't know why, but he may not be as normal as he seems.
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@Count:
I don't remember Bang even having that many notable feats. Especially since the heroes can never overpower the villains at the expense of Saitama's narrative role to save the day with-you know. I don't doubt that he can replicate All Might's feats, but I doubt he has many accomplishments to rely on. And so many of the battles are filled with generic over-the-top destruction and seemingly OP enemies that there's no real scale to compare relative character strength/growth in that series, barring Saitama.
Moving onto another topic, I know this is a random thing to comment on, but Tsukauchi, the police friend of All-Might, rubs me the wrong way. And I don't mean in his demeanor, but in his role in the narrative.
You can kind of get what basic role/archetype everybody plays in the story barring plot twists and character development, like All-Might being the protagonist's mentor, Aizawa being the gruff but endearing teacher, the quirky student supporting cast with their own struggles and growth, Shigaraki becoming the next greatest supervillain as a parallel to Deku becoming the greatest hero, etc. Not that I mean to insinuate that the story can't get creative, have character development/plot-twists, and often turn tropes on their head, but it still follows and embraces the main cornerstones of what makes up a shonen with pride similar to One Piece. However, Tsukauchi feels like an odd man out in which I have no idea how to define his place in the cast and plot by shonen/narrative standards. He's one of the few people privy to All-Might's identity and All for One, but is the only one who is a completely average human. While we don't know much about All-Might's backstory, we can at least put together the pieces to understand the effect and roles that Gran Torino and Nana Shimura played in his life, and in a typical shonen fashion. Yet we hardly know anything about Tsukauchi and how he fits into all of that or All-Might's life other than he just happens to be cool with the most renowned Pro Hero of all time. And while he never really takes up much spotlight or focus in the story at all, he's always one of the few people that keeps up with the big beats in the story, like knowing about the villain hideout raid, knowing about Shigaraki confronting Deku in the mall, knowing about the Nomus and their genetic makeup, knowing about the villain invasion at USJ and getting permission by the principal to investigate, seemingly knowing about All-Might's One for All predecessor and their story in the hospital scene, and I think he even hinted at trying to help All-Might capture All for One before in a conversation they had after the mall incident. I mean, most of these are publicly known events, yes, but barely anybody outside U.A. is actually seen on-panel at the these scenes as they're going on or during the aftermath, explicitly mentioned to know about them, and is constantly investigating the villains and All for One. Horikoshi could have written at least a couple other discount generic officers to appear, but no, he always has Tsukauchi and Tsukauchi only show up as representation of the law enforcement besides that dog chief in the Slain arc. And he came up with the theory that the Noumus are created by a Quirk that bestows Quirk, so we know he has a decent (but not completely genius or anything that stands out too much) intellect on him, even by police detective standards.
Like, on one hand, it's easy to view him as a minor character/two-bit cop character because of him not playing very active roles in the arcs and we don't know much about him. But he frequently appears, is connected to the most major character in the series besides the protagonist, and is constantly in the know of the story's biggest events. I mean, sure, other people (namely Pro Heroes) know about All-Might's identity and even his powers, but they aren't hinted to have as personal a connection, and it's understandable that superheroes that you end up teaming up and bonding with will eventually learn about who you are. Not to mention that characters like Cementoss are either just minute plot devices or barely have any fleshed our personality or recurring appearances, unlike Tsukauchi, the one and only seemingly normal person around. I doubt that we're not going to learn more about his relationship with All-Might, but the question is what, exactly. He keeps appearing just enough to not be forgotten but doesn't make any noticeable plays in the arcs. Like Horikoshi is keeping him around for some sort of pay off and having us occasionally remember that "hey, that guy still exists" by showing up whenever a big incident happens or when All-Might is having personal downtime. In fact, is there any other major "normal" character besides him in this series? Because the flawed "everyman" character with no powers ordinarily ends up playing a crucial unexpected role in every superhero story whether they're a close friend like Zeke from the Infamous video games or a critic like J. Jonah Jameson. You have to wonder why somebody like this was written into the story when he seems a bit unnecessary and disconnected, yet connected to everything, if that makes sense.
I don't mean to be a conspiracy theorist or say something as outrageous as, I don't know, pulling an Obito reveal and becoming the final villain (although ironically enough, I have seen a theory or two about that, like Tsukauchi taking control of law enforcement with the Noumus the police took into custody after the Hideout Raid to act as the equivalent of the Sentinels in the X-Men for superhero society lol). But narratively speaking, I have no idea where Horikoshi is going with this character, and it's honestly making me a bit suspicious. Call me crazy or ignore me if this doesn't make much sense to you, but I just had to be honest here. Although I have seen people point out how he dresses similar to Kurogiri. And the villains knew about All-Might weakening, and while they could have gotten it from observation or All for One, it could have been leaked by someone as specially close to All-Might like Tsukauchi. Heck, why can't he be the traitor instead of any of the students or the teachers? Regardless, Horikoshi is planning something with this character.
Well, we have the whole police reforming itselfs plot to explore.
He will be most probably explored a bit more there, while having a "major" role.
Could simply be the good guy inside the corrupted system, or something more elaborated.
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I would read that, but I wanna avoid spoilers from OPM.
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Well, we have the whole police reforming itselfs plot to explore.
He will be most probably explored a bit more there, while having a "major" role.
Could simply be the good guy inside the corrupted system, or something more elaborated.I've thought of something like that. There are bound to major superhero policy reforms and controversy in the future, especially when the traitor is revealed. Exploring that would be very interesting. But that type of situation doesn't give much room elaborate too much on his relationship with All-Might either. He might play some sort of role in the main plot later on to make his relationship and maybe even flashback with All-Might relevant. Who knows.
I would read that, but I wanna avoid spoilers from OPM.
It's not about One Punch Man at all past the first paragraph and there are no spoilers, so don't worry lol.
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I think it is a bit too early to call Tsukauchi an "avarage man".
Just saying.
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What else can I call him at this point in the manga though lol? There are lots of possibilities, but he barely gets any focus yet keeps reappearing. All we know is that's an officer that's good friends with All-Might, enough to know his secret while not being a Pro Hero. By "average man", I just mean by not having any powers. Not that his past or affiliations can't be complex or anything. I think I remember Horikoshi posting some sort of concept art for him having lie detector Quirk somewhere, but it doesn't seem like it became canon.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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I likewise get sinister vibes from Tsukauchi. Don't know why, but he may not be as normal as he seems.
Edit: Nevermind my dumbass, I can't read names apparently.
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The fact that he had a recommendation for UA, turned it down, then was butting into the UA kids' convo with yells of their school's motto seems very insincere and mocking to me.
I could totally see the guy turning out to be like Dio in first part of JJBA.
You're referring to Yoarashi Inasa. SH-Avenger was replying to me about Naomasa Tsukauchi, All-Might's police detective friend.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
You're referring to Yoarashi Inasa. SH-Avenger was replying to me about Naomasa Tsukauchi, All-Might's police detective friend.
Whoops, wow I'm totally bad at remembering the side characters' names.
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@Count:
What else can I call him at this point in the manga though lol? There are lots of possibilities, but he barely gets any focus yet keeps reappearing. All we know is that's an officer that's good friends with All-Might, enough to know his secret while not being a Pro Hero. By "average man", I just mean by not having any powers. Not that his past or affiliations can't be complex or anything. I think I remember Horikoshi posting some sort of concept art for him having lie detector Quirk somewhere, but it doesn't seem like it became canon.
There isnt any proof that he doesnt have any powers. it seems the powers in this society are very controlled, just because hes a police officer doesnt me he gets to use his quirk. Only heroes have free usage of their quirks, and even then im sure they would get in trouble if they used them poorly.
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There isnt any proof that he doesnt have any powers. it seems the powers in this society are very controlled, just because hes a police officer doesnt me he gets to use his quirk. Only heroes have free usage of their quirks, and even then im sure they would get in trouble if they used them poorly.
Iirc the police even make a specific point of NOT using their Quirks
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My bad, the intricacies of the police force flew above me in regards to Quirks lol. But it's still a bit interesting how it hasn't been brought up though, if he does have one. I just think it's interesting to look at the possibilities of the character with how low-key, yet ambiguously connected he is to the main cast and story. The definition I should have used is not being a Pro-Hero. The police work with the Pro-Heroes frequently on cases (as seen with Endeavor), but Tsukauchi is the only character that is neither a part of the main U.A. cast or a Pro-Hero to be a recurring character that gets tied into main plot with the villains (besides maybe Deku's mom, but she's barely appeared as much and will be even less relevant now that U.A. is a boarding school). He may have a Quirk, but he still has the mundane position of being an average cop in a surreal world of superheroes/villains. It's interesting to ponder where that type of "ordinary" character is going to end up heading in the main scheme of things, especially considering having an ambiguously personal relationship with the greatest hero of all time and investigating the villains. Horikoshi likes to plan out his character developments long-term.
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It's not uncommon for superhero stories to have a police contact, the most famous of course being Jim Gordon. What elevates the best of those police characters is some sort personal stakes, like family ties or a shared background. Tsukauchi doesn't have that yet, but Horikoshi has already said there are several characters he hasn't got around to showcasing yet. Tsukauchi's role is primarily in relation to All Might instead of Izuku or other students, and we've only really explored All Might's chacharactin regards to OFA. With the way the story has gone, there hasn't been much of an opportunity to explore Tsukauchi's further.
Another avenue of exploration could easily come through the evolving role of the police force. As the "sympathetic" face on the force, Tsukauchi's could easily become an eye into their changes and likely an objector. He could either philosophically object to the changes or face pressure for not having a combat-oriented quirk, but either way his character would gain more from working more closely with the protagonists than from distancing himself and becoming more authoritarian. Seriously, we've seen no hint that he thinks the Noumu should be used as weapons.
Regarding the allegations that Tsukauchi's is in league with All for One, they're nonsense. AFO almost lost Shigaraki, lost a score of Noumus, and got himself beaten up and incarcerated because of the surprise attack that Tsukauchi coordinated. The idea that Tsukauchi is Black Mist is particularly dumb considering that we have literally seen Kurogiri and Tsukauchi at the same time during the bar raid. Tsukauchi was right outside as Kurogiri was attacked and incapacitated.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
