Her wanting to have incest with a toy makes me rage. I hate incest lol
:blink:what the @@@?dude she said he thinks of him as family no romance there damn….
Her wanting to have incest with a toy makes me rage. I hate incest lol
:blink:what the @@@?dude she said he thinks of him as family no romance there damn….
That's just lunacy.
Luffy was getting thrown around at Marineford with a fair amount of ease by the big hitters.
The Monster Trio before the timskip were nowhere closer to the level of any Yonko commander.
I'd go so far as to say that there was no one, of note, there who couldn't beat Luffy's ass at their leisure.
Jozu got distracted and then frozen by Kuzan…you have a strange definition for the word "destroyed".
all wb comander fought akainu (except jozu ace ) and he walked out like a boss if he was equal to marko then he would be dead the admirals are stronger than all wb comanders
I'd go so far as to say that there was no one, of note, there who couldn't beat Luffy's ass at their leisure.
Oh comeo on, Luffy in his gear 2,3 would bring down atleast one of the weakest commanders. 1on1
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Yup. Sunkist and Sauron. It's a thing now
can you tell me why, i mean i already have a clue but.
Why Sauron?
lol. No, just no. Before the time-skip they would've rolled Luffy up into a ball and used him for light entertainment.
And Sunkist and Zoro would've, by a single punch, been sent flying into orbit around the earth
Based on what? Before the time skip Luffy was faster than sound and capable of lifting thousands of tons and he had a 400m bounty.I saw nothing from the weakest WB commanders that would make me think they are vastly superior to Luffy.
How exactly do these chapter threads always end up as power level discussions?
I'd go so far as to say that there was no one, of note, there who couldn't beat Luffy's ass at their leisure.
I would certainly agree with that.
Luffy had no business being in the battle at Marineford whatsoever.
By the end he was even being slapped around by guys like Dalmatian and Momonga, never mind someone of commander level.
can you tell me why, i mean i already have a clue but.
Why Sauron?
It's from some old HK subs. That and it just fits him.
Oh comeo on, Luffy in his gear 2,3 would bring down atleast one of the weakest commanders. 1on1
Based on what? Before the time skip Luffy was faster than sound and capable of lifting thousands of tons and he had a 400m bounty.I saw nothing from the weakest WB commanders that would make me think they are vastly superior to Luffy.
Yes the Luffy who had to train for 2 year to not die in the new world, was already superior to the veterans who ruled the new world.
Oh comeo on, Luffy in his gear 2,3 would bring down atleast one of the weakest commanders. 1on1
He's talking about pre-timeskip Luffy. All of the commanders would of beaten him no problem.
all wb comander fought akainu (except jozu ace ) and he walked out like a boss if he was equal to marko then he would be dead the admirals are stronger than all wb comanders
Marco fought equally with Kizaru.
Jozu fought equally with Kuzan.
Vista fought evenly with Mihawk.
You're a silly simon if you think the admirals are stronger than all the WB commanders, good sir.
Her wanting to have incest with a toy makes me rage. I hate incest lol
lulz… where do you get that incest crap??
there is not really much sexual interest in OP in generall. what plays a big role is caring and loving other People. not the sexual love more the love your friends and famili.
so rebeccas feelings are more like close family... would you not try to fight for your father/your big brother?
greetings
Yes the Luffy who had to train for 2 year to not die in the new world, was already superior to the veterans who ruled the new world.
PFFT, YES, he needed to train to survive NW with his crew, cuz he was the captain.
Do you think any of the weakest commanders would pull off being a captain with a bouny of 300M and 8 crew members IN NEW WORLD?
Marco fought equally with Kizaru.
Jozu fought equally with Kuzan.
Vista fought evenly with Mihawk.
You're a silly simon if you think the admirals are stronger than all the WB commanders, good sir.
no they alle went down somehow..
marco was fooled by kizaru with the seastone cuffs
jozu was frozen by kuzan
vista and mihawk fought kind of even but mihawk was not fully focused and did other stuff during the fight he was at 70% at most. he was just there because he was forced…
and ace was commander lvl and was totally beaten by an admiral ;)
the commanders where strong enough to land a hit or two mostly of surpise but no big hits.... it was totally dissapointed from them
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Yes the Luffy who had to train for 2 year to not die in the new world, was already superior to the veterans who ruled the new world.
Other supernovas were just as weak as Luffy and they survived fine. If Luffy entered new world 2 years ago he would have likely die, but not because he's too weak to survive, but rather because he's too stupid to avoid fights with guys much stronger than him.
How exactly do these chapter threads always end up as power level discussions?
One Piece in particular does a fantastic job of leaving it ambiguous.
There will probably never be a point where people aren't debating about how battle proficient characters like Crocodile are.
PFFT, YES, he needed to train to survive NW with his crew, cuz he was the captain.
Do you think any of the weakest commanders would pull off being a captain with a bouny of 300M and 8 crew members IN NEW WORLD?
Most likely yeah they would.
PFFT, YES, he needed to train to survive NW with his crew, cuz he was the captain.
Do you think any of the weakest commanders would pull off being a captain with a bouny of 300M and 8 crew members IN NEW WORLD?
Well we've yet to see just how easily Luffy and his 8 person crew fairs in the NW.
They've been there for about 1 1/2 days and visited 2 islands.
Regardless, since the other members of The Worst Generation seem to have survived fine for 2 years in the NW, I don't see why any of the WB theoretically couldn't.
Yeah i still don't get why they fought like that.
I mean, jozu was better off against kizaru. diamond that could reflect light would be good against light light logia.
Marco should have fought aokiji/akainu.
1. he can't be frozen.
2. he has the ability to regenerate any wound, including magma burns. plus he had blue flames, which are hot as hell.
3. Wb would've been better against aokiji/akainu also. OR ya know, participate in the effin war BEFORE SOMEONE PENETRATES YOUR STOMACH WITH A GIGANTIC SWORD IDK.
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Well we've yet to see just how easily Luffy and his 8 person crew fairs in the NW.
They've been there for about 1 1/2 days and visited 2 islands.
Regardless, since the other members of The Worst Generation seem to have survived fine for 2 years in the NW, I don't see why any of the WB theoretically couldn't.
You just proved my point. luffy didn't need to train for 2 years to survive in NW. he needed to train for 2 years to be on Par with Logia / Big shot pirates/marines
no they alle went down somehow..
marco was fooled by kizaru with the seastone cuffs
jozu was frozen by kuzan
vista and mihawk fought kind of even but mihawk was not fully focused and did other stuff during the fight he was at 70% at most. he was just there because he was forced…and ace was commander lvl and was totally beaten by an admiral ;)
the commanders where strong enough to land a hit or two mostly of surpise but no big hits.... it was totally dissapointed from them
Marco and Jozu were both brought down by distractions or tricks. They still fought equally with Kizaru and Kuzan respectively.
Ace was good bit weaker than the top guys like Marco and Jozu. I was addressing the claim that none of the WB commanders are as strong as an admiral.
After those 2 posts here
I would certainly agree with that.
Luffy had no business being in the battle at Marineford whatsoever.
By the end he was even being slapped around by guys like Dalmatian and Momonga, never mind someone of commander level.
Marco fought equally with Kizaru. Jozu fought equally with Kuzan. Vista fought evenly with Mihawk. You're a silly simon if you think the admirals are stronger than all the WB commanders, good sir.
I will remember not to treat what you write very serious
For me Admiral like Akainu was shown during Marineford arc to be between strongest Whitebeard commanders and Yonko.
You are in my opinion giving a big bit too much credit to WB commanders.
If Luffy could have beaten likes of Crocodile and Rob Lucci he was most probably capable of beating some of weakest WB commanders before time skip and its not as bad as you somehow seem to think.
Also I dont get how you came to conclusion that Ace was a good bit weaker than top of WB commanders. We seen that Ace in quite bad shape was capable of countering Kuzan so its kind of like what Marco and Jozu had against Admirals- just exchange of blows.
Lately Zoro was shown being capable of countering Admiral DF ability purely with his strength, even if Fujitora wasnt going all meteorites on his ass he most probably didnt holded back with that gravity push. For me it was quite alike Dofamingo being capable of breaking out of Kuzans ice.
Marco and Jozu were both brought down by distractions or tricks. They still fought equally with Kizaru and Kuzan respectively.
Ace was good bit weaker than the top guys like Marco and Jozu. I was addressing the claim that none of the WB commanders are as strong as an admiral.
Well they are not if you think top 3-4 yonko comanders are admiral level then we have more than 10 admiral level people in yonkou crews plus the 4 yonkou if that was tha case marines would be weaker than even a single yonko crew :blink:.
Top wb commanders where stronger than VA but not admiral level and average commanders were VA or close
Yeah i still don't get why they fought like that.
I mean, jozu was better off against kizaru. diamond that could reflect light would be good against light light logia.Marco should have fought aokiji/akainu.
1. he can't be frozen.
2. he has the ability to regenerate any wound, including magma burns. plus he had blue flames, which are hot as hell.
3. Wb would've been better against aokiji/akainu also. OR ya know, participate in the effin war BEFORE SOMEONE PENETRATES YOUR STOMACH WITH A GIGANTIC SWORD IDK.
Marco's flames aren't hot at all. They only serve to regenerate.
This thread is rapidly making me lose my faith in humanity.
But on the positive side it's a cinch to be nominated for 2014's worst thread.
no they alle went down somehow..
marco was fooled by kizaru with the seastone cuffs
jozu was frozen by kuzan
vista and mihawk fought kind of even but mihawk was not fully focused and did other stuff during the fight he was at 70% at most. he was just there because he was forced…and ace was commander lvl and was totally beaten by an admiral ;)
the commanders where strong enough to land a hit or two mostly of surpise but no big hits.... it was totally dissapointed from them
Honesty I don't get why Marco get so much hype Marco's fighting style mainly relies on his regen… You cant hurt someone with instant regen. While Marco has no excuse for not hurting the admirals, where two were surprise attacks.
His attack power lacks so much, i don't think he could hurt or take any top tier mid- high diff, him lasting long doesn't mean it's high diff, he would need to actually cause some damage
Marco's flames aren't hot at all. They only serve to regenerate.
i remember him telling luffy that his flames only hurt enemies. and that it's friendly to ally. So most likely they burn when macro wants them to
i remember him telling luffy that his flames only hurt enemies. and that it's friendly to ally. So most likely they burn when macro wants them to
not sure if marko or from another manga :ninja:
Like someone else stated her, their first emperor will be taken down using an alliance.
It'll be quite some time before Luffy himself can take one down. He ain't even up to taking on the admirals yet.
No need for people to hurry them along so much.
You're assuming a lot of things! i mean, how can you tell he isn't able to take on an admiral? i said the discussion is pointless because of the absence of basis. Maybe i missed something and i'm wrong.
I agree that Luffy alone could get stomped by Kaido. Not because of the individual power of Kaido, but because his crew is gigantic. If they get to weaken Kaido's crew, two bands against his captains and Luffy against him is how i see things going.
Good olde' power rank discussion eh? Seriously give it up. There are no tiers in OP. :happy:
Seeing that even new world's "fodder" managed to take down Pacifista with ease, I doubt any commander of the strongest crew would have any difficulty beating Luffu pre-timeskip…
You're assuming a lot of things! i mean, how can you tell he isn't able to take on an admiral? i said the discussion is pointless because of the absence of basis. Maybe i missed something.
Zoro didn't stand a chance against an admiral who didn't even want to hurt him.
Unless you are suggesting Luffy and Zoro/Sanji are worlds apart them yes he cannot face people like Fujitora yet.
He'll barely scratch out a win against Doffy in this arc, the same way he always does when he's taking a step up in challenge.
i remember him telling luffy that his flames only hurt enemies. and that it's friendly to ally. So most likely they burn when macro wants them to
According to Volume 58 SBS:
D: Hello for the first time, Oda-sensei. I've read all the previous 57 volumes, and I was thinking, I don't quite understand how "Phoenix Marco"'s Zoan fruit of the "legendary beast" kind is different from Ace's "Meramera" fruit.
O: Yeah, I know… I've omitted the explanation from this war arc, because I focused on the pacing and wanted to move the story forward. To explain Marco's ability just a little bit: he's Zoan, so he does have a body. But since he's got "the blue fire of revival" - the Phoenix's ability - wounds will regenerate, so attacks will not damage him (though there's a limit to the regeneration). In other words, the flames are for regeneration. These blue flames don't have the characteristics of actual fire - they don't spread and burn things, and they aren't hot. They're completely different from Ace's flames. I might touch on this in the main story at some point, so I'll leave it at this for now.
@Light:
Good olde' power rank discussion eh? Seriously give it up. There are no tiers in OP. :happy:
To be honest, there are tiers in One Piece, but they are loosely defined unlike in other series.
lulz… where do you get that incest crap??
there is not really much sexual interest in OP in generall. what plays a big role is caring and loving other People. not the sexual love more the love your friends and famili.
so rebeccas feelings are more like close family... would you not try to fight for your father/your big brother?
greetings
She just gives off this weird incest vibe in the manga. The whole "let's live together, soldier San" thing kind of opened my eyes about what her real intentions are. She wants some splinters lol
@Light:
Good olde' power rank discussion eh? Seriously give it up. There are no tiers in OP. :happy:
And exactly thats why Dellinger couldnt do anything against Bartolomeo
There is hierarchy of sorts in One Piece when it comes to combat powers but its not translating to actual outcomes of fights when Strawhats fight with somebody(most of times).
But will quite many people here missing out some facts you are right by saying to give up power rank discussion- it would take too much time to educate some people :ninja:
This thread is rapidly making me lose my faith in humanity.
But on the positive side it's a cinch to be nominated for 2014's worst thread.
. This thread isn't that bad. It did last like 60 pages before it hurled out of the topic's orbit.
Lets all agree that Kalifa is stronger than Sanji
Yeah i still don't get why they fought like that.
I mean, jozu was better off against kizaru. diamond that could reflect light would be good against light light logia.Marco should have fought aokiji/akainu.
1. he can't be frozen.
2. he has the ability to regenerate any wound, including magma burns. plus he had blue flames, which are hot as hell.
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You just proved my point. luffy didn't need to train for 2 years to survive in NW. he needed to train for 2 years to be on Par with Logia / Big shot pirates/marines
The other supernovas make a point of not being as insane as the SH's are though.
Kid's been sinking ships affiliated with Big Mom, not taking her on directly.
Drake seems to have actually joined a Yonko's crew.
Luffy never backs down from a fight until it's clear that he can't win.
He did need to train to survive in the NW because essentially EVERYONE there is a big shot pirate/marine/logia.
Zoro didn't stand a chance against an admiral who didn't even want to hurt him.
Zoro managed to escape from Fujitora's attack by counter-attacking. It was a Pound Cannon with one sword that pushed Fujitora back. That's not inferior.
Unless you are suggesting Luffy and Zoro/Sanji are worlds apart them yes he cannot face people like Fujitora yet.
I'm not suggesting that at all.
He'll barely scratch out a win against Doffy in this arc, the same way he always does when he's taking a step up in challenge.
I don't see Doflamingo as the first equal match for Luffy in the new world. He'll be - more or less - as hard as Arlong was
EDIT : What if Hakuba awakens in the dump and cuts Trebol's ass? :ninja:
After those 2 posts here
I will remember not to treat what you write very serious
For me Admiral like Akainu was shown during Marineford arc to be between strongest Whitebeard commanders and Yonko.
You are in my opinion giving a big bit too much credit to WB commanders.
If Luffy could have beaten likes of Crocodile and Rob Lucci he was most probably capable of beating some of weakest WB commanders before time skip and its not as bad as you somehow seem to think.Also I dont get how you came to conclusion that Ace was a good bit weaker than top of WB commanders. We seen that Ace in quite bad shape was capable of countering Kuzan so its kind of like what Marco and Jozu had against Admirals- just exchange of blows.
Lately Zoro was shown being capable of countering Admiral DF ability purely with his strength, even if Fujitora wasnt going all meteorites on his ass he most probably didnt holded back with that gravity push. For me it was quite alike Dofamingo being capable of breaking out of Kuzans ice.
…riiiight.
A guy equating Crocodile and Lucci with Yonko Commanders and then topping it off with a Zoro-Isshou comparison is questioning whether to take me seriously or not.
...riiight.
I don't think I'll lose any sleep over your big decision.
What if Sabo is the 7th Shichibukai? and he's secretly a revolutionary commander just like Kuma was:ninja:
! lol or it could be Eva XD
Let's just be honest, if Fujitora wanted to kill Zoro he could. Heck… If Fujitora REALLY wanted to kill Zoro, as well as several other criminals, he could probably destroy the entirety of Dressrosa with a meteor shower/asteroid strike; he wouldn't though, because he seems to have a code of honor when it comes to harming civilians.
Current Zoro couldn't beat Fujitora in a 1v1 scenario, if both of them where going all out against one another.
She just gives off this weird incest vibe in the manga. The whole "let's live together, soldier San" thing kind of opened my eyes about what her real intentions are. She wants some splinters lol
you read too much fakku site man^^
p.s
to all these comparison talks. its all clear now. akainu vs. luffy zoro vs. fuji sanji vs. kizaru = all equals :)
Rufy > Zoro >>> Sanji
Who the hell is Rufy?
Kuzan's bike > Zoro >>> Sanji?
@The:
Let's just be honest, if Fujitora wanted to kill Zoro he could. Heck… If Fujitora REALLY wanted to kill Zoro, as well as several other criminals, he could probably destroy the entirety of Dressrosa with a meteor shower/asteroid strike; he wouldn't though, because he seems to have a code of honor when it comes to harming civilians.
Current Zoro couldn't beat Fujitora in a 1v1 scenario, if both of them where going all out against one another.
No shit man, ones only the second-in-command of a pirate crew which isn't even Yonkou level yet, while the other is a f*****g admiral. Of course he wouldn't be able to beat Fujitora. Even down the track he'd still have a hard time, admiral are supposed to be the strongest military force for the World Government in the One Piece world so obviously he could wreck havoc. And I have no doubt that Fujitora alone could take down the whole Straw Hat Crew
Well they are not if you think top 3-4 yonko comanders are admiral level then we have more than 10 admiral level people in yonkou crews plus the 4 yonkou if that was tha case marines would be weaker than even a single yonko crew :blink:.
Top wb commanders where stronger than VA but not admiral level and average commanders were VA or close
The WB pirates were probably the strongest crew in the entire world though, of course they'd have a good couple of guys capable of taking on admirals.
I didn't say that was the case for every commander of every Yonko crew. Guys like Marco and Jozu aren't run of the mill.
I'd say in each Yonko crew the captain and the first mate will certainly be more than capable of taking on an admiral for sure.
Sakazuki initiated a global enlistment over the last 2 years, apparently gearing up to actively try and take on the Yonko in the NW.
One Yonko crew nearly went through all the marines had to offer, they WERE incredibly outmatched.
It'll be interesting to see just how much stronger the Marines are under Sakazuki.
I still think Fujitora is the strongest Admiral, simply in destructive power, though I guess we haven't seen enough of Akainu yet. Sure… Akainu can turn to magma, and do large scale magma attacks, but Fujitora can pull fking shit from space, and cause them to crash into the Earth going thousands of miles per hour (if not more). I still want to see Green Bull though.