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    Chapter 733: "What Mr. Soldier Wants"

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    • King Cannon
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      @Phoenix:

      I don't really see any member of Kaidou's crew showing up yet. They would be there as backup to protect the factory not to get Ace's fruit. Considering the SHs are there to destroy the factory and Kaidou sorta needs it for a big shipment his has coming up. Especially since the underground most likely knows what happened at Punk Hazard with the SAD factory and Caesar losing. The last factory would take priority over Ace's fruit.

      As for anyone arguing it can't be Rebecca since she attacked people and that doesn't fit her style since she only dodges. She is totally against phsyically hitting someone. You forgot something really huge that destroys that arguement. She's in this tournament to get a "fire" DF power so she can personally use it to defeat Doflamingo. A fire power is not really a non-physical type of ability. You can't really use it without phsyically harming the person you are using it on. So typically she is against it but when the times come she will use force. The flashback even alluded to this since LS was actually hitting her so she can get a real sense of danger and that's when growth actually happens. So if it was Rebecca, she was getting beaten bad and then unleashed a speedy final desperation move on everyone. Which would account for why she fell down after she did it and why she has bruises.

      In that case, it's sloppy writing. Why not show Rebecca getting those bruises then? She looked fine a few pages before the "accident" (like everybody else).

      But in case it was her, remember that it's not guaranteed that she's the one standing up at the end. Elizabello also unleashed an ultimate move that knocked down a bunch of fighters, but he wasn't the winner.

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        My Opinion to the "Meadow = Kaidou" Theory:
        When he had registered himself for the Tournament, even with this Jaguar/Cheetah/Tiger-Cap/Fur on his Back, the guy at the Registerplace should have realised who this guy is. He wears no Mask and no Fakebeard. Hes a Yonkou, everyone in the New World should recognize the Faces of all 4 of them.
        I think he is one of the top Fighters of Kaidous Crew. Maybe everyone of the High Class Officers in his Crew got a Mustache 😄 The Forum would go insane.

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          Oh. Yeah.

          Yonta Maria is definitely a pun.

          To the Japanese reader:

          -Santa Maria = Three-ta Maria
          -Yonta Maria = Four-ta Maria

          But it's apparently a whole fleet and not just one famous ship.

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            It already passed 1 day and I am still bored.

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              @King:

              In that case, it's sloppy writing. Why not show Rebecca getting those bruises then? She looked fine a few pages before the "accident" (like everybody else).

              But in case it was her, remember that it's not guaranteed that she's the one standing up at the end. Elizabello also unleashed an ultimate move that knocked down a bunch of fighters, but he wasn't the winner.

              She has no bruises since she hasn't been hit yet. The attack happened some time later. All we saw was the ending. The last scene we got before it changed to Lightning Soldier there was still 30 people fighting. Next chapter should be a flashback leading up to the actual attack. It'll probably be a Block D chapter. Now if all we get is the winner reveal, then yeah, that's sloppy writing.

              But yeah it may not be her. It could be someone else standing up. But if after all this build up and it ends up being someone else standing up. That's sloppy writing as well. Since it'll diminish the cliffhanger move while also making LS speech completely pointless.

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                It's not haki. There's no foaming at the mouth. Plus I would think Sabo wouldn't be hyping up a CoC fodder blast as a rumor.

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                  @Phoenix:

                  She has no bruises since she hasn't been hit yet. The attack happened some time later. All we saw was the ending. The last scene we got before it changed to Lightning Soldier there was still 30 people fighting. Next chapter should be a flashback leading up to the actual attack. It'll probably be a Block D chapter. Now if all we get is the winner reveal, then yeah, that's sloppy writing.

                  But yeah it may not be her. It could be someone else standing up. But if after all this build up and it ends up being someone else standing up. That's sloppy writing as well. Since it'll diminish the cliffhanger move while also making LS speech completely pointless.

                  Not really. The build-up in this case would be about Rebecca's "hidden potential", not her winning the block.

                  Basically, the feat of knocking down all those strong guys in a single attack would go well with LS's speech. She doesn't need to win the block to justify the build-up. Unlocking this power would be enough, especially considering that she's not gonna get the Mera Mera Fruit anyway, so making her advance would be pointless. Basically, she wouldn't leave empty-handed.

                  Remember the King Punch? Plenty of build-up too, but it didn't guarantee Elizabello's victory.

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                    @No:

                    Okay who the hell shortens domestic violence to "DV" and expects people to get it ?

                    It's how they refer to it in Japan. Just the letters, "DV." My ears pricked up whenever I heard it during the middle school staff meetings (when they discussed the home lives of the kids…).

                    But yeah, Panda are fucking idiots for not spelling it out, given that it's not referred to that way in English.

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                      The idea that Becca launched that attack is a bit laughable. What kind of attack will result in the user passing out and losing their helmet? None of the folks shown on the ground did the attack.

                      IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….

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                        Well christmas is over and I finally have some time to write something… I hoped you have enjoyed your christmas days as well.

                        But well... I thought something different would have been showed but I'm very pleased with this chapter

                        • The dwarves are super cute and I just love them

                        • Toy Soldier was awesome this chapter and I would love to see him in full action as human.

                        • Block D… Seriously I bitched about Block D cuz I haven't give a damn about it... but Oda did this cliffhanger ending and I have no clue what happened...

                          Some people think it was Rebecca cuz of the lightning speed... but I have a problem with it

                          Luffy for sure would see what happened... But people as Sabo and Bartolomeo haven't noticed it... Dunno if Rebecca really is that fast and strong that people of this calibre wouldn't spot it...

                          Even more if we have seen King Riku fighting in a similar way before... Of course he is old but still his fast movement stood out and was even mentioned in Block B... But what happened... he lost against Blue Gilly...

                          If anything she was the person who stood up at the end... but no way she did that

                          Same for the reason that she said never to hurt other people all the time... And now she decided to fuck everyone up herself included?

                          Makes no sense... So someone else did that and only Meadows is left

                          whoever it will turn out to be in reality... Maybe Jack, maybe someone from the WBs or even Kaidou himself... It will be a nice suprise...

                        • Sabo and Barto ❤

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                          @King:

                          Not really. The build-up in this case would be about Rebecca's "hidden potential", not her winning the block.

                          Basically, the feat of knocking down all those strong guys in a single attack would go well with LS's speech. She doesn't need to win the block to justify the build-up. Unlocking this power would be enough, especially considering that she's not gonna get the Mera Mera Fruit anyway, so making her advance would be pointless. Basically, she wouldn't leave empty-handed.

                          Remember the King Punch? Plenty of build-up too, but it didn't guarantee Elizabello's victory.

                          No, she needs to win a legit match at least to establish her strength and then she could lose the next round. Her final move actually worked and she accomplished something. What you're arguing at the end goes directly against what you're trying to say about Rebecca doesn't need to win this match. Whoever wins this fight won't be winning the Mera Mera no mi. So having a twist victory would be completely stupid since it diminishes Rebecca's feat and randomly introduces an out of nowhere suprise fodder character whose going to job next round since this tournament is really between either Burguess or Sabo. It's basically a twist just to have a twist making it completely pointless. Which is extremely sloppy writing.

                          lol, I don't think the build up for Elizabello and Rebecca are the same. Elizabello was basically hyped up during the fight. While Rebecca actually has revelance to the arc's plot, a flashback before and during the actual Block fight with an actually relevant character to the plot (LS) telling her to get stronger. But maybe you're right, them winning their block had the same level of hype.

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                            actually,we don't know if the rumor he heard are about said person.
                            he could have heard about the particular fighting style/ability that made that possible.

                            Seems a bit of a stretch though.

                            I think this is classic Oda, overshadowing something, making us scratch our heads, then making it simple.

                            Proud Kintama Owner ![](images/smilies/ipb/grin.png "Grin")

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                              … Wow, they DO look a lot alike.

                              And we never saw much of Bobbin's face besides his mouth, so we don't know if his nose matches or doesn't match. I could see how his mask could also cover up an entire mustache, but that's still pretty unlikely, so maybe it's a fake mustache like Lucy's?

                              Bobbin with a fake mustache is the only character that we've already seen who I could see it being, physically. Besides Kaidou of course.
                              But that doesn't fit with Oda's statement about revealing a new big player in early 2014. We've already seen Bobbin, and quite frankly, he would be a less dramatic reveal than Burgess. We already have a Big Mom ship off the coast, too, so it would be even less surprising. I'm still pushing for Kaidou here, because the physical similarities and Oda's Jump Festa comments combined are just too much for me to do otherwise.

                              @themick:

                              Rebecca seems like the obvious choice for the person standing up. I guess she could have put out a huge attack an used a lot of energy and passed out for a second afterwards. Although, if you look at her (and everyone else in D block) earlier in the chapter she is not shaded with damage but in the last page you can see she is covered with spots of damage.

                              Yes, I'm of the opinion that Meadows knocked everyone down, but Rebecca is the one standing up.

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                              I'm also in the Meadows boat. His covered face and conspicuous "Gladiator" title screams someone in a disguise and he didn't appear so far. About the defaulted contestant, it might be that guy from Barto's crew that was beat up by Vice-admiral Maynard.

                              Edit: Now that I think about it, Damask wasn't seen either, his face is covered and he's just as mysterious…Oh well.

                              Damask is seen in the chapter, and also seen unconscious.

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                                @D.aelthasaar:

                                Seems a bit of a stretch though.

                                I think this is classic Oda, overshadowing something, making us scratch our heads, then making it simple.

                                It's really simple. Oda basically spelled it out this chapter. People just keep expecting twists after twists.

                                Right before flashback
                                LS: Too Slow
                                LS: Slow
                                LS: Slow
                                Goes directly into the flashback with Slow in the panel showing Rebecca having a bump on her head.
                                Back to present.
                                Sabo: That was fast.

                                Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…....................... I wonder why Oda referenced speed 4 times in the same chapter conviently around a you need to show your power flashback?

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                                  No, she needs to win a legit match at least to establish her strength and then she could lose the next round. Her final move actually worked and she accomplished something. What you're arguing at the end goes directly against what you're trying to say about Rebecca doesn't need to win this match. Whoever wins this fight won't be winning the Mera Mera no mi. So having a twist victory would be completely stupid since it diminishes Rebecca's feat and randomly introduces an out of nowhere suprise fodder character whose going to job next round since this tournament is really between either Burguess or Sabo. It's basically a twist just to have a twist making it completely pointless. Which is extremely sloppy writing.

                                  lol, I don't think the build up for Elizabello and Rebecca are the same. Elizabello was basically hyped up during the fight. While Rebecca actually has revelance to the arc's plot, a flashback before and during the actual Block fight with an actually relevant character to the plot (LS) telling her to get stronger. But maybe you're right, them winning their block had the same level of hype.

                                  Rebecca pulling out that attack is the equivalent of Goku pre-DBZ era going SS4 and dropping a kamehaha wave on the enemy. Completely ridiculous. She was man handled by Luffy with absolute easy while he had food on his hands, and she was sweating knocking out nameless fodder during the group. If she out of nowhere can beat all these named characters, esp someone like Cavendish in one hit (or swipe), it will be quite ridiculous ass pull.

                                  I really doubt it's her personally.

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                                    This was a nice (late) Christmas gift from ODA… (ummmm but isnt this out like 2 weeks earlier than it should be in Japan?)

                                    regardless im just gonna say this was an epic chapter, there was lots of content for this one, but DAT ending, was that a haki burst or a light-speed blitz. so much is happening at once and im curious to know just how this will all pan out.... heres hoping for an epic 2014 One piece manga year

                                    overall 9/10

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                                      Rebecca pulling out that attack is the equivalent of Goku pre-DBZ era going SS4 and dropping a kamehaha wave on the enemy. Completely ridiculous. She was man handled by Luffy with absolute easy while he had food on his hands, and she was sweating knocking out nameless fodder during the group. If she out of nowhere can beat all these named characters, esp someone like Cavendish in one hit (or swipe), it will be quite ridiculous ass pull.

                                      I really doubt it's her personally.

                                      Speaking of the Luffy reference. Oda with dat foreshadowing…............

                                      Chapter 720

                                      Prisoners: He took down Rebecca.
                                      Prisoners: How could he be faster than her.
                                      Rebecca: Do as you want with me…...I'll accept my punishment....!
                                      Luffy: Why would I punish...someone who bought me food!?
                                      Rebecca: Because I tried to kill you!
                                      Luffy: It's fine. I'm not dead. And besides, you weren't really trying to...

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                                        @Phoenix:

                                        It's really simple. Oda basically spelled it out this chapter. People just keep expecting twists after twists.

                                        Right before flashback
                                        LS: Too Slow
                                        LS: Slow
                                        LS: Slow
                                        Goes directly into the flashback with Slow in the panel showing Rebecca having a bump on her head.
                                        Back to present.
                                        Sabo: That was fast.

                                        Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…....................... I wonder why Oda referenced speed 4 times in the same chapter conviently around a you need to show your power flashback?

                                        Who the hell is LS

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                                          Awesome colorspread~

                                          D Block (FINALLY) continues, with fighters slowly dwindling down as the chaos increases. Rebecca continues to pull through and not give up, remembering the Toy Soldier….while Usopp/Robin/the dwarves lead the charge underground.

                                          Holy crap are these little guys awesome! Although we all know ol' Usopp is going to ham it up and finally get the 8000 followers he's spoken about....seriously, I'm for Robin vs. Trebol, which leaves Usopp against Sugar....and I'm counting on some kind of brilliant plan with awesome one-liners. C'mon, there's a reason why Oda paired up two of the smartest Straw Hats.

                                          Also, the Toy Soldier continues to prove how amazingly cool he is by taking down a bunch of guards all by himself. Yeah!

                                          Meanwhile....the action in D Block....stops, apparently. Everyone including Rebecca is injured and on the ground, until Gatz announces someone is getting up. Wait, wtf happened? I....really don't have a guess. Because if I start talking about Sabo and haki then my head is going to explode from the back-and-forth debating for 2 weeks.

                                          Either way.....what a hell of a cliffhanger, to (technically not) end the year!

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                                            Who the hell is LS

                                            Toy soldier. It's either Thunder Soldier or Lightning Soldier. Viz has it as The Angry Lightning Soldier. I should probably just say Toy Soldier though.

                                            FYI Thunder and Lightning are sometimes known to be related to speed.

                                            Weird I see a pattern here.

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                                              Who the hell is LS

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                                              Toy soldier. It's either Thunder Soldier or Lightning Soldier. Viz has it as The Angry Lightning Soldier.

                                              Why the hell was I thinking of "Luffy Speed"?

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                                                Cavendish…defeted...me faint with foam in the mouth

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                                                  Why the hell was I thinking of "Luffy Speed"?

                                                  Technically that would be G2 for Gear 2nd.

                                                  Or better yet Luffy Sabo.

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                                                    Technically that would be G2 for Gear 2nd.

                                                    That's why. You were talking about Gear 2nd.

                                                    ….the LS: Too slow part I…somehow interpreted it as Luffy being outspeeded more than once.

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                                                      That's why. You were talking about Gear 2nd.

                                                      ….the LS: Too slow part I…somehow interpreted it as Luffy being outspeeded more than once.

                                                      lol, you're confused. I was joking. If I was going to talk about Luffy Speed I would say G2 not LS.

                                                      The 3 slows were said by Toy Soldier in this chapter.

                                                      http://www.batoto.net/read/_/214207/one-piece_ch733_by_powermanga/14 http://www.batoto.net/read/_/214207/one-piece_ch733_by_powermanga/15 <–----------- Notice how the last slow is directly inside a panel at the beginning of the flashback. Why would Oda do that?

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                                                        @Phoenix:

                                                        No, she needs to win a legit match at least to establish her strength and then she could lose the next round. Her final move actually worked and she accomplished something. What you're arguing at the end goes directly against what you're trying to say about Rebecca doesn't need to win this match. Whoever wins this fight won't be winning the Mera Mera no mi. So having a twist victory would be completely stupid since it diminishes Rebecca's feat and randomly introduces an out of nowhere suprise fodder character whose going to job next round since this tournament is really between either Burguess or Sabo. It's basically a twist just to have a twist making it completely pointless. Which is extremely sloppy writing.

                                                        And knocking down all those guys isn't an accomplishment? Wouldn't that establish her strength? And how do you know that the surprise character is fodder?

                                                        Your points are all legit in relation to Rebecca's speed and that she could have done all of this, but that doesn't mean that she's the person standing up at the end.

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                                                          He's not going to win the tournament. So unless he leaves after his completely pointless victory, he'll be losing next round. Fodder isn't really the right word though. He basically will end up being a jobber. So it will be such a pointless twist. Oda can introduce him somewhere else without screwing up Rebecca's moment.

                                                          Yeah it doesn't mean it has to be her. It could be someone else. It'll be stupid but the possibilty is always there.

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                                                            @Phoenix:

                                                            He's not going to win the tournament. So unless he leaves after his completely pointless victory, he'll be losing next round. Fodder isn't really the right word though. He basically will end up being a jobber.

                                                            Let's be honest here. No one is going to win the tournament, but someone will get the Mera Mera no Mi through other means before the arc concludes. If you seriously think someone is going to win the tournament, with all the shit happening and showing up on Dressorsa, then, well…you're dumb.

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                                                              @Phoenix:

                                                              He's not going to win the tournament. So unless he leaves after his completely pointless victory, he'll be losing next round. Fodder isn't really the right word though. He basically will end up being a jobber. So it will be such a pointless twist. Oda can introduce him somewhere else without screwing up Rebecca's moment.

                                                              That's an annoying mentality you have there.

                                                              Basically, if Rebecca doesn't advance, then everything she did doesn't count for anything, including knocking all other fighters down.

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                                                                That's an annoying mentality you have there.

                                                                Basically, if Rebecca doesn't advance, then everything she did doesn't count for anything.

                                                                She just needs her time to shine. The crowd will see her stand up and she'll get their respect finally. A surprise winner twist would ruin the moment. There's nothing crazy or annoying about it. It's not like I'm saying she's going to win everything or she can't lose ever.

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                                                                  As I've said a hundred times, my main concern isn't Rebecca necessarily winning or losing. I just want her to put up a good fight. And she has held her own thus far, although what's to say her and other people can't force themselves to get up in the next chapter…

                                                                  (seriously though, B and C had more chapters dedicated to them, correct? That's why I'm cautious)

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                                                                    She just needs her time to shine. The crowd will see her stand up and she'll get their respect finally. A surprise winner twist would ruin the moment. There's nothing crazy or annoying about it. It's not like I'm saying she's going to win everything or she can't lose ever.

                                                                    No one is saying that. If by some chance she manages to move on to the next round, she's going to get battered.

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                                                                      As I've said a hundred times, I don't care if Rebecca wins or loses. I just wanted her to put up a good fight. And she has held her own thus far, although what's to say her and other people can't force themselves to get up in the next chapter…

                                                                      (seriously though, B and C had more chapters dedicated to them, correct? That's why I'm cautious)

                                                                      Next chapter should be a block D flashback chapter. I really don't see it getting 2 chapters since it looks like the attack too out alot of people.

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                                                                      No one is saying that. If by some chance she manages to move on to the next round, she's going to get battered.

                                                                      Barto and whoever wins this is screwed next round. The 4 Diamante fighters left to the factory so they'll be facing either Sabo, Burguess and Diamante. Maybe they'll get lucky and face each other.

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                                                                        As to who the Winner of Block D is,
                                                                        I'm gonna go with Rebecca on this one.

                                                                        I'm expecting another flashback, continuing on the one we saw this Chapter.
                                                                        Content: Rebeccas Riku Mentality, not wanting to hurt anybody.
                                                                        Toy Soldier telling her sometimes she needs to go all out etc…

                                                                        I just hope she's actually really strong.
                                                                        The brawl with Luffy doesnt Count imo,
                                                                        Luffy is obviously stronger than Rebecca, but hey,he didnt even go all out on Don Quinjao.
                                                                        Plus she didn't really want to kill Luffy, furthermore she must be really confident in her abilities,
                                                                        standing on the Edge of the Ring, i mean, 1 mistake and she's a goner.

                                                                        Would be nice to see her coming out victorious, it would justify the lot of screen time she gets.
                                                                        Plus, from what we've seen, she has a strong will, not that it has to mean something tho.

                                                                        On the other hand, im really curious about Meadows.
                                                                        Why would Oda put him on Paper, if he was irellevant.
                                                                        I just feel like hes a Samurai from the Wano Country.

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                                                                          Well that's the one problem I have with it being Rebecca and her lightning speed

                                                                          Luffy people for sure would see what happened… But people as Sabo and Bartolomeo haven't noticed it... Dunno of Rebecca really is that fast and strong that people of this calibre wouldn't spot it...

                                                                          Even more if we have seen King Riku fighting in a similar way before... Of course he is old but still his fast movement stood out and was even mentioned in Block B... But what happened... he lost against Blue Gilly...

                                                                          If anything she was the person who stood up at the end... but no way she did that

                                                                          Same for the reason that she said never to hurt other people all the time... And now she decided to fuck everyone up herself included? Makes no sense... So someone else did that and only Meadows is left

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                                                                            Sabo saw it. Barto was the one who didn't.

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                                                                              I include Barto, someone who casually owned a VA, as well into it… Same for Cavendish who was able to block Don's headnut before... Sorry Rebecca is for sure stronger as some people think but not that strong that super rookies and veterans aren't able to spot it anf get owned in mere seconds

                                                                              And still don't make sense in my eyes... But we will see it next chapter

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                                                                                @Gizmo:

                                                                                After discussing it with someone, I can buy the theory of Meadows being the one that's not there participating in Block D.

                                                                                why?
                                                                                i really dont see a point in introducing somebody as mentionable participant, just to have him randomly drop out?

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                                                                                And Meadows was introduced as a Gladiator. Every Gladiator so far was in the arena for years. That makes him being some powerful out of nowhere guy even less plausible. Unless you are going to make up argument that now Oda boxes can't be trusted?

                                                                                Lucy was also introduced as Gladiator^^
                                                                                ricky too, who wasnt really recognized by the audience.

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                                                                                Or Meadows is just Kaidou. Out of all the speculation mentioned on the thread, Kaidou is the only person in the entire series who fits with Meadows face AND has a mustache.

                                                                                http://i.imgur.com/V6BEvvc.png

                                                                                i tought about that pic too, when i looked at meadows after reading the first posts about him…

                                                                                I think I'll go with the Meadows Theory.
                                                                                really dont see rebecca getting such a power up, to fodderize even cavendish

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                                                                                  Yes Whitebeards fodder.survived Shanks haki with no Problem, remember even kidd and law crew members survived it from Rayleigh

                                                                                  Cavendish is just too strong for COC

                                                                                  i dont think he used his whole power u kno…. Oda said Shanks could knock out Hody if he was at luffys place as far as i remember.

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                                                                                    No he said he would have knocked out more fodder people as Luffy…

                                                                                    And no it wasn't CoC

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                                                                                      So, Toy Soldier is on his way to the palace to attack Doflamingo once Sugar is defeated. As we all know, Luffy rarely beats an important opponent on the first try, but in this arc, it seemed difficult to think of how he could have a rematch if he loses to Doflamingo. I'm guessing we may see Luffy lose round 1, but Sugar will get knocked out, allowing Kyros to step in and fight Doflamingo, giving Luffy a chance to recover. Kyros will then lose, which is presumably when Luffy will come back and beat Doflamingo's ass.

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                                                                                        @Phoenix:

                                                                                        Next chapter should be a flashback leading up to the actual attack. It'll probably be a Block D chapter. Now if all we get is the winner reveal, then yeah, that's sloppy writing.

                                                                                        Gotta love how everything is "sloppy writing" nowadays. "The story does not turn out like I wanted to= sloppy writing!!" (also the fact that everyone is a writer in disguise :ninja:).

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                                                                                          i dont think he used his whole power u kno…. Oda said Shanks could knock out Hody if he was at luffys place as far as i remember.

                                                                                          he saidbhe could knock the weak pirates there same goes with rayleigh

                                                                                          Currently COC is useless in the new world

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                                                                                            If the time skip was 50% and the two arcs following it were 10% totalling to 60% done, does that mean there are only 8 more arcs? two arcs to every ten percent?

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                                                                                              Would be so great if kaidou was meadows, the carnage to follow 🙂

                                                                                              Fire is hot, so are ladies. Sorry Sanji lovers, a mera mera no mi lady will join and melt his heart ![](images/smilies/ipb/grin.png "Grin")

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                                                                                                I think Kaido would've been noticed by now if he was Meadows.

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                                                                                                  I think Kaido would've been noticed by now if he was Meadows.

                                                                                                  Not if he's ultra fast :ninja:

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                                                                                                    Hello. I just want to point out that Meadows really can't be Kaido. The image of him (the only one we've seen) obscures his eyes, but only to the reader by the angle we're seeing him. I find it exceedingly unlikely that nobody would recognise him. He's not actually in disguise. He's just wearing a hood. The same for him being one of Kaido's top officers; everyone knew Burgess on sight and he's an officer of the newest Yonkou. Kaido's been around for a lot longer, so unless he has someone among his subordinates who's purposefully kept out of the public eye then he'd be recognised. Even if that was the case, I can't see him revealing himself in this scenario. The stakes aren't high enough.

                                                                                                    All the Meadows speculation stems from the fact that we can't see his eyes, but that's just us. Everyone else can. That means he's unknown not only to us, but also to everyone watching. That being the case, it seems unlikely that he would be responsible for this.

                                                                                                    I include Barto, someone who casually owned a VA, as well into it…

                                                                                                    Barto relies on his fruit. Nothing he's done so far suggests he's even capable of using haki. I think whatever happened here was only visible to those capable of decent colour of observation. The thing about haki is that it's in no way consistent from character to character. We can suspect Cavendish has it, but we haven't seen him use it. (When he clashed with Chinjao neither of them appeared to be using armament.) Even if we can take that clash as proof he can though, that's no guarantee he can use observation. (In fact, immediately afterwards Luffy escaped him by hanging out of the window. If he could use observation, wouldn't he have noticed?)

                                                                                                    Chances are the only people who actually know what happened at this point are Sabo, Burgess and Diamante (probably - again we can't be sure.)

                                                                                                    If someone in the ring did it, it was probably Rebecca by way of unconscious super-move. If it was outside interference, it was probably dwarves. Both were bigged up in this chapter. Rebecca by way of flashbacks and Soldier-san's thoughts, the dwarves when they stole those guys' clothes and then buried them without being seen.

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                                                                                                      what makes me think the winner has to be a dwarfing superpowerhouse is this: all the winners and diamante are still in this thing, with barto being the only one that can be turned 'fodder' without interfering with the story-progression of this arc. burgess is too important as one of blackbeard's very limited crew, and will probably make like his captain and run away once he sees someone superpowerful. but that still leaves it up to sabo+barto to defeat mystery-d, as well as diamante if it even gets that far (it won't - are we really going to see lao g and the rest of them fight? unpossible) and i just can't picture sabo losing the mera mera no mi in a normal, got beat-up kind-of a way

                                                                                                      with what has happened recently, oda almost needs another superpower appearing ala shanks during the war to end this cleanly, lest we lose tournament-plot advancement for a lot of very important characters (sabo most visible of them all).. it can't be kaido because that just poops all over the entire arc; he'd instantly become the number one focus for the rest of dressrosa. and while i'm sure at some point the coliseum floor will break and everyone will crash in to the toy factory, it seems like all these story lines need to stay separate for at least a little while longer (luffy hasn't found his way out of the coliseum yet - else why waste all the panels of him talking to bellamy about leaving?). all that can/should happen after everyone gets to the royal palace, but nobody is there yet - i dunno i probably need to stop typing now because i'm ranting. someone help me think through this? 😛

                                                                                                      Hey everyone! I have a One Piece Theory website, onepeacetheory.com

                                                                                                      It's not awesome or anything but I think it's worth checking out :)

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                                                                                                        Personally i think that Cavendish was not properly knocked out. I dunno, his knock out panel didn't convince me that he is done just yet. I think Cavendish will get up, and give Meadows/Mystery fighter a good 1v1. Meadows/Mystery will win D block

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