@Monkey:
Everyone's talking about your shipping ideas in the pairing thread, don't look at me.
Your the talk of the town, the lord of local homoeroticism.
16 chars of you're :ninja:
@Monkey:
Everyone's talking about your shipping ideas in the pairing thread, don't look at me.
Your the talk of the town, the lord of local homoeroticism.
16 chars of you're :ninja:
Two things I'd like to share with any and all readers of this thread;
Gifs aren't a proper way of expressing yourself.
Respect the person you're arguing with and take the time to properly research your points before arguing them.
That's kinda what I meant, though. Because of that complexity, the Gorosei allow stuff like genocide for knowing too much, slavery and psycho pirate warlords for a myriad of reasons, whereas I have a hard time seeing Akainu allowing any of that thanks to his more straightforward ideologies. The only reason he ordered the destruction of that evacuation boat is because the scholars were considered "evil" by the Gorosei (and there was the possibility that one sneaked on board, but that's not the point). I doubt Akainu has the ability to define what is "evil" and what is not as he should not have the proper knowledge (why is this "evil"?) to do so.
I guess the best way to put it is that while Akainu is a bigger threat for pirates, the Gorosei are a bigger threat for pretty much everybody else.
The biggest reason Akainu is dangerous is because he blindly supports the ridiculous stuff the Gorosei allow to happen.
While I don't rule out the possibility of Akainu taking over as world leader, I don't think he has the same representation of "everything that is wrong with this world" that the Gorosei have.
Might've agreed with you before the war. But his actions during the war seemed motivated pretty much purely for him, and
his viewpoint on how to achieve his view of justice. And his views of justice seem an awful lot like Rob Lucci's in that
basically "weakness/ cowardice/ fodder/ w. e. he deems it to be, equals "injustice" as well". Thus it will be eliminated as he
sees fit; him being judge, jury and executioner. It also seemed he would've/ or was barely listening to Sengoku with a
slightly different circumstances and Sengoku's orders wouldn't have stopped him either way. And seeing how I'm guessing at
least 30% and probably more of the Marines ( judging from their responses at the war), would fit into that category pretty
easily as well as untold numbers of regular civilians, I see no reason he's not at least in the possibility of the same range of
'evil' as The PTB.
Two things I'd like to share with any and all readers of this thread;
Gifs aren't a proper way of expressing yourself.
Respect the person you're arguing with and take the time to properly research your points before arguing them.
Two things I'd like to share with any and all readers of this thread;
Gifs aren't a proper way of expressing yourself.
Respect the person you're arguing with and take the time to properly research your points before arguing them.
"insert gif of movie i've never seen with quote from BartArt"
Two things I'd like to share with any and all readers of this thread;
Gifs aren't a proper way of expressing yourself.
Respect the person you're arguing with and take the time to properly research your points before arguing them.
I share your sentiments.
But I also let people do what they want.
Is it true that we'll be getting a chapter this week or is mangapanda just lying?
It should be out around day 15
Is it true that we'll be getting a chapter this week or is mangapanda just lying?
Mangapanda's probably lying, the chapter should come out on January 15th.
Mangapanda's probably lying, the chapter should come out on January 15th.
There they are referring to the issue of Jump which contained chapter 733, which only officially came out in Japan this past Saturday January 4th.
There they are referring to the issue of Jump which contained chapter 733, which only officially came out in Japan this past Saturday January 4th.
why would they even mention it When they realesed the chapters 2 weeks ago?
why would they even mention it When they realesed the chapters 2 weeks ago?
It was posted by an anonymous user not a member of the Mangapanda staff or anything so it was probably a confused misinformed fan.
@Monkey:
Yeah, Akainu may be their subordinate, but that doesn't make him not dangerous to them.
Governments under-estimating ambitious military leaders under their command is about as common a historical trope as it gets.
Agreed.
An Akainu with an agenda beyond what the goverment says is something that I haven't ever consired. It's kind of scary.
I honestly think that he way this arc ends might be a build up for something like that. Depends on the ending.
I dunno. Between the Gorosei and Akainu, the latter does feel like the lesser of 2 evils.
Sure, if he were the world leader instead, he would be way more active and passionate, but he would lack the selfishness and corruption that make the current leaders so much more threatening.
I'm quite sure he would not allow slavery to prosper if it was his decision. Or rather, that he would not allow slavery of people other than pirates to prosper.
Just another interpretation of the character.
The elder stars have, atleast in my estimation been portrayed as (or are atleast being set up to be) far more three dimensional characters than Akainu.
For one thing they've shown regret and emotion at the awful things they've done. Where as Akainu has basically been a stonefaced terminator.
Not showing regret about thing he's done, or even being unable to feel it, is not the reason to think that man is a worse person to run thing than Gorosei.
I see Akainu (a blind zealot) way more dangerous and terrible than the old guys (people with the unique perspective of what happened with the world 800 years ago). It all comes down to what is the secret of one piece.
I dunno. He is a zealot, obviously, but I don't think he is either blind or stupid.
That's kinda what I meant, though. Because of that complexity, the Gorosei allow stuff like genocide for knowing too much, slavery and psycho pirate warlords for a myriad of reasons, whereas I have a hard time seeing Akainu allowing any of that thanks to his more straightforward ideologies. The only reason he ordered the destruction of that evacuation boat is because the scholars were considered "evil" by the Gorosei (and there was the possibility that one sneaked on board, but that's not the point). I doubt Akainu has the ability to define what is "evil" and what is not as he should not have the proper knowledge (why is this "evil"?) to do so.
I guess the best way to put it is that while Akainu is a bigger threat for pirates, the Gorosei are a bigger threat for pretty much everybody else.
The biggest reason Akainu is dangerous is because he blindly supports the ridiculous stuff the Gorosei allow to happen.
While I don't rule out the possibility of Akainu taking over as world leader, I don't think he has the same representation of "everything that is wrong with this world" that the Gorosei have.
And let's be honest here, if Akainu succeded in everything he wanted to do during the series, world would be in less of a danger right now.
Akainu sort of lacks the ability to become a World Leader because he, like Rob Lucci, simply lives to deliver unrelenting justice to the enemies of the Government. He's a hell of a fighter, but as a political leader he would be complete shit.
Considering the way he was portrayed as a child by Oda, I'm quite sure his way of justice predates joining WG, while Rob Lucci was raised by them.
@LUFFYSMC:
Might've agreed with you before the war. But his actions during the war seemed motivated pretty much purely for him, and
his viewpoint on how to achieve his view of justice. And his views of justice seem an awful lot like Rob Lucci's in that
basically "weakness/ cowardice/ fodder/ w. e. he deems it to be, equals "injustice" as well". Thus it will be eliminated as he
sees fit; him being judge, jury and executioner. It also seemed he would've/ or was barely listening to Sengoku with a
slightly different circumstances and Sengoku's orders wouldn't have stopped him either way. And seeing how I'm guessing at
least 30% and probably more of the Marines ( judging from their responses at the war), would fit into that category pretty
easily as well as untold numbers of regular civilians, I see no reason he's not at least in the possibility of the same range of
'evil' as The PTB.
I'm looking at it from a slightly different perspective. Also, I know you are refering to Coby and that unnamed marine that Akainu killed as examples of him being like Lucci, but I don't think that's correct. If we look simply by military law standards, desserting your post is punishable by death. Most countries don't do it anymore, but it is a possibility. It wasn't exactly an option, to put that man under arrest at the moment, and alternative would be to just let him run, which Akainu, as high officer, cannot do.
Coby is even more obvious example. Openly defying your superiors orders and trying to convinve your fellow soldiers to do the same is an act mutiny. Especially in the face of enemy. The fact that he was not sentenced to death or at least prison afterwards is a miracle, probably because of Garp. Hell, Akainu trying to stop him is, again, doing his job. Punishment for mutiny, in most armies, is death. Hell, in some of them, failing to stop a mutiny is considered a crime. Think about it.
It was posted by an anonymous user not a member of the Mangapanda staff or anything so it was probably a confused misinformed fan.
mangapanda tweeted that post.
mangapanda tweeted that post.
guess what?they are idiots.they saw a title of a thread about the big 3 and linked it to allure people on their forum.the OP of said thread saw the release date of jump and mistook it for the release date for the chapter
mangapanda tweeted that post.
The www.twitter.com/manga_panda account doesn't seem to be the actual site's official account, their real account was banned before so this one is probably just the account for that "manga-panda" fan forum, and what Maju said.
@Medical:
For some reason whenever I try to start a new thread, it tells me:
You have been banned for the following reason:No reason was specified.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
But I'm not banned. I can still read the forums while logged in. I can reply to threads. There's not a strikethrough over my name, and my member title wasn't changed to "Rank: Failed Mutineer". I just get this message when I try to start threads.
That's because you:
"accept Jesus Burgess" as your "Lord and Savior"****
! :ninja:
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Why would a Commander of Kaido's crew even be there?
Why wouldn't he?
Why wouldn't he?
Really, why would he? He should have no reason to suspect that the factory is in danger, and even if it was(which it is), it's not Kaidou's job to protect it. He gets the product, it's not his job to make sure everything goes smoothly on the manufacturing end.
Guys,does anyone know if a Chapter is coming out tomorrow? Or is One Piece / Jump still on a Break this week?
I share your sentiments.
But I also let people do what they want.
I didn't tell anyone what to do.
@krule274:
Really, why would he? He should have no reason to suspect that the factory is in danger, and even if it was(which it is), it's not Kaidou's job to protect it. He gets the product, it's not his job to make sure everything goes smoothly on the manufacturing end.
This right here is exactly why I believe that Meadow's isn't a Kaido Commander. If anything he'd be an entirely new character which has yet to be introduced.
Guys,does anyone know if a Chapter is coming out tomorrow? Or is One Piece / Jump still on a Break this week?
Next chapter on January 15.
@Monkey:
Everyone's talking about your shipping ideas in the pairing thread, don't look at me.
Your the talk of the town, the lord of local homoeroticism.
I don't even know what shipping ideas is, but you should focus on reading better. I mentioned that you should take a few days before writing back to write something witty, didn't I? Next time be a good little dog and follow instructions properly next time. Do not disappoint me again.
@krule274:
Really, why would he? He should have no reason to suspect that the factory is in danger, and even if it was(which it is), it's not Kaidou's job to protect it. He gets the product, it's not his job to make sure everything goes smoothly on the manufacturing end.
Picking up a Smile shipment at the right time and waiting at the Colisseum while the grunts finish loading the goods. I read that this person might not be standing up but rather transforming back to his human form.
lol @ MonkeyKing. His posts are too good, everything he says is sig-worhty.
Picking up a Smile shipment at the right time and waiting at the Colisseum while the grunts finish loading the goods. I read that this person might not be standing up but rather transforming back to his human form.
Too much coincidence this arc, I can't take anymore.
lol @ MonkeyKing. His posts are too good, everything he says is sig-worhty.
Your easily impressed.
@kuma:
Your easily impressed.
I really am though xD
I really am though xD
Where is that image of Sanji kicking a gorilla in your signature from? Was it in one of the movies?
@Medical:
Where is that image of Sanji kicking a gorilla in your signature from? Was it in one of the movies?
That's Strong World, I believe.
To clarify all things
Next Chapter will be released on the 14 January by Issoi a Chinese Leaker, Spoilers could come monday but expect tuesday morning early spoilers, than chapter on the same day
I cant wait that much.
To clarify all things
Next Chapter will be released on the 14 January by Issoi a Chinese Leaker, Spoilers could come monday but expect tuesday morning early spoilers, than chapter on the same day
wow and here I thought there is going to be a chapter this week. Another week :(
i swear if it's diamante's doing then I will be super disappointed.
I'm looking at it from a slightly different perspective. Also, I know you are refering to Coby and that unnamed marine that Akainu killed as examples of him being like Lucci, but I don't think that's correct. If we look simply by military law standards, desserting your post is punishable by death. Most countries don't do it anymore, but it is a possibility. It wasn't exactly an option, to put that man under arrest at the moment, and alternative would be to just let him run, which Akainu, as high officer, cannot do.
Coby is even more obvious example. Openly defying your superiors orders and trying to convinve your fellow soldiers to do the same is an act mutiny. Especially in the face of enemy. The fact that he was not sentenced to death or at least prison afterwards is a miracle, probably because of Garp. Hell, Akainu trying to stop him is, again, doing his job. Punishment for mutiny, in most armies, is death. Hell, in some of them, failing to stop a mutiny is considered a crime. Think about it.
Actually wasn't thinking of Coby, I kinda agreed with you on him till I read your post.
I ask 1 question for your consideration:
Would Akainu have tried to murder/ kill any1 in the same positions of actions, of the unnamed marine and
Coby if they had been Admirals, Vice, or even Rear, etc., basically any1 strong enough to give a minutely good fight or actually get away from him, or delay him from the actual War?
Cause I just don't see it. Meaning it was mostly 1 thing(s) that made it feasible, with the unnamed marine - no one saw it, with Coby + unnamed marine - they were insignificant little bugs that Akainu could easily
sweep aside/, or kill ( same thing in his eyes), and get back to what he was doing. And the thing about the guy running away, and mainly Coby's speech is you have people making it rain human bodies, rain magma/ = asteroids, and the footsteps of giants could have literally been killing as an afterthought, then people like
Mihawk firing random, extremely destructive attacks and the fact that they already reached their goal, and
anything more like Coby said meant they killed more pirates, but more of them would die as well,only
bought up this point, (in the middle of a war, yes; but not really advocating rebellion, but asking if they still wanted to do this), didn't say to revolt or stop killing pirates; just to think if they still wanted to keep going.
So the " mutiny" was a matter of POV, in the 1st place. Meaning once again Akainu made himself literally
Judge Jury and executioner; and I get to an extent that's the power his job kinda affords him, to make
decisions based on his own judgement with pirates, but 1 would think it to be expected to show a little more
consideration/ discretion/ discernment/ w. e. you want to call it, in dealing with supposed allies, such as
other marines.
@LUFFYSMC:
I ask 1 question for your consideration:
Would Akainu have tried to murder/ kill any1 in the same positions of actions, of the unnamed marine and
Coby if they had been Admirals, Vice, or even Rear, etc., basically any1 strong enough to give a minutely good fight or actually get away from him, or delay him from the actual War?Cause I just don't see it. Meaning it was mostly 1 thing(s) that made it feasible, with the unnamed marine - no one saw it, with Coby + unnamed marine - they were insignificant little bugs that Akainu could easily
sweep aside/, or kill ( same thing in his eyes), and get back to what he was doing. And the thing about the guy running away, and mainly Coby's speech is you have people making it rain human bodies, rain magma/ = asteroids, and the footsteps of giants could have literally been killing as an afterthought, then people like
Mihawk firing random, extremely destructive attacks and the fact that they already reached their goal, and
anything more like Coby said meant they killed more pirates, but more of them would die as well,only
bought up this point, (in the middle of a war, yes; but not really advocating rebellion, but asking if they still wanted to do this), didn't say to revolt or stop killing pirates; just to think if they still wanted to keep going.
That is a lot of assumptions based on very little. None of us have any idea what Akainu would have done in those hypothetical scenarios and neither do you. So why bring it up?
The fact he went after Ace and Luffy with such persistence in the full presence of Garp despite knowing their relationship suggest otherwise. Let's not forgot he also had no qualms taking on WB which is a clear indication he isn't someone who'll run from a physical confrontation when faced with someone stronger.
That is a lot of assumptions based on very little. None of us have any idea what Akainu would have done in those hypothetical scenarios and neither do you. So why bring it up?I
The fact he went after Ace and Luffy with such persistence in the full presence of Garp despite knowing their relationship suggest otherwise. Let's not forgot he also had no qualms taking on WB which is a clear indication he isn't someone who'll run from a physical confrontation when faced with someone stronger.
To be fair, that was after he manipulated squardointo stabbing whitebeard and he was sweating when shanks arrived.
To be fair, that was after he manipulated squardointo stabbing whitebeard and he was sweating when shanks arrived.
Are u trying to imply that Akainu was scared of Shanks if you are that's pretty dam stupid don't you think.
@kuma:
Are u trying to imply that Akainu was scared of Shanks if you are that's pretty dam stupid don't you think.
No Shanks is a scary dude - Think about it to our Knowledge Shanks is a single crew Yonkou - Big Mam and Kaidou seem to have larger crew structures.
Even Mihawk had to make an exit stage left to search for his brown trousers when Shanks arrived.
Even Mihawk had to make an exit stage left to search for his brown trousers when Shanks arrived.
Mihawk left because he and Shanks are old friends. He joined the war to fight Whitebeard, not Shanks.
No Shanks is a scary dude - Think about it to our Knowledge Shanks is a single crew Yonkou - Big Mam and Kaidou seem to have larger crew structures.
Even Mihawk had to make an exit stage left to search for his brown trousers when Shanks arrived.
Mate shanks may scar a lot of men but I doubt Akainu is one of them he was gutted the war was called off, as for Mihawk he left because he knew the war was over and I guess he wanted beat the traffic home.
Mihawk left because he and Shanks are old friends. He joined the war to fight Whitebeard, not Shanks.
Yeah I know - but still being friends doesn't mean they wouldn't fight - Luffy and Coby showed that much, Either Mihawk knows Shanks is too much of a challange or Mihawk is prepared to throw away his status over that friendship.
@kuma:
Mate shanks may scar a lot of men but I doubt Akainu is one of them he was gutted the war was called off, as for Mihawk he left because he knew the war was over and I guess he wanted beat the traffic home.
Even if he wanted to take on Shanks - he'd taken more than a few powerful blows from Whitebeard, going up against a rested full strength Shanks would have been suicide for him regardless of his strength vs Shanks.
Yeah I know - but still being friends doesn't mean they wouldn't fight - Luffy and Coby showed that much, Either Mihawk knows Shanks is too much of a challange or Mihawk is prepared to throw away his status over that friendship.
Even if he wanted to take on Shanks - he'd taken more than a few powerful blows from Whitebeard, going up against a rested full strength Shanks would have been suicide for him regardless of his strength vs Shanks.
He may or may not have beaten shanks but he wouldn't be scared to have a go.
Mihawk left because he and Shanks are old friends. He joined the war to fight Whitebeard, not Shanks.
Nope, He just not have interest in an one-armed man
To reiterate what others have said I find it plausible that it could be either Meadows or Rebecca.
It could be Meadows because:
1. Block A and C had people in disguise.
2. Every character even minor such as Jeet etc have been shown in their battles. Meadows has only had his introduction panel and not one panel of him since then.
3. Potentially Kaido has some interest in sending a Yonkou Commander under cover after the incidents in Punk Hazard to ensure everything is going well at Dressrosa.
4. Dropping everyone including yourself and standing up sounds like an interesting devil fruit ability. Though from the statement from Sabo it seems like a super speed blitz.
Could also be Rebecca for the reasons people mentioned:
1. Lots of slow references.
2. Toy Soldier trained her to be fast and she has purposefully avoided hitting people. The fact that she's unconscious makes it seem like an all out last ditch maneuver she isn't aware she possess, perhaps she was able to be trained with this kind of ability.
3. She is more of a main character and desires to get through the tournament, having her in the finals would raise the stakes and potentially lead to some kind of emotional interplay between her and Sabo as she loses ending up in Sabo giving her the fruit.
I would be surprised if it was anything other than these two options.
To reiterate what others have said I find it plausible that it could be either Meadows or Rebecca.
It could be Meadows because:
1. Block A and C had people in disguise.
2. Every character even minor such as Jeet etc have been shown in their battles. Meadows has only had his introduction panel and not one panel of him since then.
3. Potentially Kaido has some interest in sending a Yonkou Commander under cover after the incidents in Punk Hazard to ensure everything is going well at Dressrosa.
4. Dropping everyone including yourself and standing up sounds like an interesting devil fruit ability. Though from the statement from Sabo it seems like a super speed blitz.Could also be Rebecca for the reasons people mentioned:
1. Lots of slow references.
2. Toy Soldier trained her to be fast and she has purposefully avoided hitting people. The fact that she's unconscious makes it seem like an all out last ditch maneuver she isn't aware she possess, perhaps she was able to be trained with this kind of ability.
3. She is more of a main character and desires to get through the tournament, having her in the finals would raise the stakes and potentially lead to some kind of emotional interplay between her and Sabo as she loses ending up in Sabo giving her the fruit.I would be surprised if it was anything other than these two options.
Block B also had someone in disguise. Ricky/King Riku
@Sean:
Block B also had someone in disguise. Ricky/King Riku
Good point I forgot about Riku. That's every block so far with an important character in disguise and Meadows is one of the few masked people and the fact that we haven't seen him in any panel after his introduction and that he is not on the ground knocked out and the pyro guy is (other guy with mask) points to him possibly.