Chapter 732: "The Underground World"

Darth

Hmm.

Am I the only one that think that Doffy is getting slightly overconfident?

I mean… what would he do if Fuji would take him up on that request for help, considering that the fight is in the area where every single of his illegal activities take place? Especially considering that Fuji would clearly not care about Doflamingo subordinates, and he could not do anything about. He is technicaly a pirate. His shichibukai status could allow him to post complain to Fleet Admiral or somethin.

And I don't see Sakazuki caring in the slightest.

Takto

@Lawlord:

Hody Jones and racism

The Theme of Hody wasn`t racism…it was terrorism.

Devil G.

@auem:

what's wrong in wanting a guy who strips off a girl's bra to chew it getting one shoted..and i hope those bitches will get slap like this…:ninja:

http://i.imgur.com/OaPIynV.gif

You meant all the officers in your previous post. About Pink, if the guy with the Swim Swim fruit doesn't make for an interesting battle then I don't know what does

Phoenix Zoan

Only problem about the factory assault crew is none of them know haki . If Trebol is a slime logia, then they're screwed. Whoever faces him first is going to end up a toy.

CCC

@Takto:

The Theme of Hody wasn`t racism…it was terrorism.

Lol.
It was definitely racism. Or did you miss the unbelievably explicit KKK allegory?

No Maam

@The:

In this case, the reason I find the scene disgusting is because its not played straight as an evilness-showcase, its played for laughs.

I find nothing wrong with the scene, it's just a hilarious moment and trying to judge it any other way is overthinking things a bit.

Also, you actually find the scene disgusting ?

Lawlord

@Takto:

The Theme of Hody wasn`t racism…it was terrorism.

Hody's hatred of humans was really brought about by nothing and was aggravated by the death of fisher tiger and people blaming it on humans. The hating of an entire class of people for "nothing" can be likened to racism. There are terrorist elements as well but Oda was drawing parallels with racism. Which is why Luffy accepted Jinbei's blood without question when this was a forbidden thing to do. In places it was forbidden to marry another race etc. I think it's fairly obvious.

Kishido

Well I hoped for some Sanjji or Sabo but overall good chapter… Franky has been awesome and I love the details about the DoFla family...

And seeing that the seats have the exact same rank as Vergo means they are most likely are on one level... That's why Sanji left... he would have a lot of trouble against the seats cuz of his potrayal against Vergo

So Zoro, Sabo and someone else of this power level have to do this job... Dunno who will be 3rd one to take one of them

Counterdose

@Phoenix:

Only problem about the factory assault crew is none of them know haki . If Trebol is a slime logia, then they're screwed. Whoever faces him first is going to end up a toy.

We used to beat logia users before haki was a factor.

I pining for that a little right now…

Maju

@Darth:

Hmm.

Am I the only one that think that Doffy is getting slightly overconfident?

I mean… what would he do if Fuji would take him up on that request for help, considering that the fight is in the area where every single of his illegal activities take place? Especially considering that Fuji would clearly not care about Doflamingo subordinates, and he could not do anything about. He is technicaly a pirate. His shichibukai status could allow him to post complain to Fleet Admiral or somethin.

And I don't see Sakazuki caring in the slightest.

they are several meters above the underground port..fuji would have to destroy the entire palace to get to the port.
also,akainu might not care,but the WG (the one that pays for everything in the navy) does..piss off doflamingo and made him rebel from the shichibukai is the last thing they want..remember that they gave pardon to Caesar just to keep dofla in the shichibukai

Louis-1988

@Kishido:

Well I hoped for some Sanjji or Sabo but overall good chapter… Franky has been awesome and I love the details about the DoFla family...

And seeing that the seats have the exact same rank as Vergo means they are most likely are on one level... That's why Sanji left... he would have a lot of trouble against the seats cuz of his potrayal against Vergo

So Zoro, Sabo and someone else of this power level have to do this job… Dunno who will be 3rd one to take one of them

A>B>C logic doesn't always apply. You just never know how two skill sets are going to match up.

Phoenix Zoan

@The:

I think I might just re-use this argument

In this case, the reason I find the scene disgusting is because its not played straight as an evilness-showcase, its played for laughs.

It's a gag though. Regardless of what's depicted. You really shouldn't be taking with what was shown too seriously. That fact that it had some people found it what a newly introduced villian was doing offensive and others where amused by it is a win-win for Oda.

Haros

its funny how Franky going all out in front makes DD and his entire crew think that they are here to destroy the factory. At this point nobody suspects that a dwarfs armys goal is sugar.
Also i have always been wondering whats up with Sugars eyepatch heck i wouldnt be surprised if she got knocked out and the toys remained toys.
I also wonder if franky can be turned into a toy.
Finally i dont see Robin beating trebol. I am just hoping for Jinbe to show up and take on trebol.

Maju

@Phoenix:

Only problem about the factory assault crew is none of them know haki . If Trebol is a slime logia, then they're screwed. Whoever faces him first is going to end up a toy.

trebol can't be the slime logia,because "slime" is not a force of nature like pretty much every logia until now..also Oda himself confirmed in a SBS that logia must be related to some natural element.

Aivou

I wonder if that bra scene will be censored somehow in the anime.

Oh wait, no….. boobslide

Kishido

Well I hoped for some Sanji or Sabo but overall good chapter… Franky has been awesome and I love the details about the DoFla family...

And seeing that the seats have the exact same rank as Vergo means they are most likely are on one level... That's why Sanji left... he would have a lot of trouble against the seats cuz of his potrayal against Vergo

So Zoro, Sabo and someone else of this power level have to do this job... Dunno who will be 3rd one to take one of them

Aohige_AP

@The:

In this case, the reason I find the scene disgusting is because its not played straight as an evilness-showcase, its played for laughs.

What's played for laugh here is, the implausibility. Not acceptability.
The unlikeliness of an ugly fat man, who acts disgustingly sexist, dresses like a baby, still getting his groupies to throw themselves at him.

Are you one of those that really got pissed at In Living Color's MJ sketch parodying "Black or White", ending with the MJ-lookalike saying "I guess I am black" when being arrested?
Just because something is "played for laughs" does not mean it's making it acceptable. In fact, in many cases, it's the complete opposite.

Darth

@Maju:

they are several meters above the underground port..fuji would have to destroy the entire palace to get to the port.
also,akainu might not care,but the WG (the one that pays for everything in the navy) does..piss off doflamingo and made him rebel from the shichibukai is the last thing they want..remember that they gave pardon to Caesar just to keep dofla in the shichibukai

They gave him a pardon, because every subordinate of Shichibukai gets one.

Also, I don't think that navy HQ lead by Akainu would proof so insuficient so early in the game.

I still think that Dofla overestimates his own importance. And I thnik that that discussion Akainu is having with Gorosei might end up really badly for him.

Kishido

@Louis-1988:

A>B>C logic doesn't always apply. You just never know how two skill sets are going to match up.

True that… Still Sanji is going to Zou... So besides Zoro and Sabo there is no one left to take the 3rd suit... Either Luffy will take one down or Law will make a comeback... Maybe even Jinbe

Phoenix Zoan

@Counterdose:

We used to beat logia users before haki was a factor.

I pining for that a little right now…

Which always ended up with the person losing the first fight. Which isn't a good thing for the factory assault crew.

silversatyr

Sadly, there have always been women like that - silly women who attach themselves to powerful men and act like bimbos according to the wishes of said man. While Oda could have gone the route of not having women being sex objects in this case, I think it fits and hope that he does something that makes the women wake up.

That said, am I the only one hoping for a dance-off between Franky and Mssr Pink? Because that would be hilarity itself. Also, when (no ifs here) Franky does beat him, I wonder if the girls will become his groupies or if they'll stay true to their Mssr Pink. I'm actually not sure what to want on that aspect. Perhaps the women have a reason to adore the man, aside from his totally sexy beefcakeness, of course.

CCC

@Phoenix:

That fact that it had some people found it what a newly introduced villian was doing offensive and others where amused by it is a win-win for Oda.

I seriously don't think Oda's goal, as the most popular current manga artist, is to "offend" people. He's not some scumbag like Rush Limbaugh or rooshv.
Point is, western progressives (myself included) are operating on a entirely different mindset than the average 12 year old Jump reader, who knows nothing about gender politics or the implications of influential media. We're a demographic that Oda doesn't consider in the least. That's just reality.

dwo

@D.aelthasaar:

Often the flaw is in the eye of the beholder.
I agree with you, but there's still people going on through 173 pages of the "Women in OP" thread that doesn't understand the fun and irony and some "characters".
I'm glad they will have the next scapegoat to appoint with moralism

If some people dont understand certain things right from the start then you know its kind of "art", not just a comic.

Palpitoad93

@Lawlord:

In my country sexual assault is "is generally defined as a sexual activity that a person has not consented to, and it can refer to a broad range of sexual behaviours that make the victim feel uncomfortable, frightened or threatened. Sexual assault can include rape, incest, indecent assault, child sexual assault and sexual molestation."

So yeah it would come under the guise of sexual assault, perhaps not where you live.

Clearly this was the case. Not. In fact, the fact it's more likely than not that they're puck bunnies trying to get with the big Coliseum star. It happens all the time IRL with athletes too.

Maju

@Darth:

They gave him a pardon, because every subordinate of Shichibukai gets one.

Also, I don't think that navy HQ lead by Akainu would proof so insuficient so early in the game.

I still think that Dofla overestimates his own importance. And I thnik that that discussion Akainu is having with Gorosei might end up really badly for him.

exactly,and it is one part of the agreement between the WG and the shichibukai.
remember that caesar destroyed a WG facility killing several men in the process (it's still not clear what was in smoker's report,so we don't know if he is also accused of the kidnapping of those children and got a pardon for that too),and still they are willing to forgive him just to make him stay in the shichibukai.
Akainu,and every single marine,it's still a WG subordinate..they pay for everything,from the salaries to the rifles,to the ships..even the food served in the various bases comes from the WG money.They decide everything…and what they don't want is to have another shichibukai to replace after Law is already out of the group.if the gorousei say to akainu to jump,he can only answer "how high?"

DoctorPhil

I'm with Gliblord. That scene was just stupid and not funny. Oda's humor is indeed getting more crass like he said. We've gotten juvenile bad jokes like females incapable of comprehending cool, dwarf on Robin's boobs and this. I'm not really bothered by it and I still liked this chapter all the same, but it was still juvenile even for OP and unfunny.
It wasn't meant as a serious satire of groupies but as a joke. And it sucked.
@Shadowgreed:

It seems like some people are really horrible lovers in here

Seems like someone is a really horrible poster in here

Shadowgreed

@DoctorPhil:

Seems like someone is a really horrible poster in here

And the idiot picked it up

Aohige_AP

Yeah, fuck it. I'm out.

I wish the circlejerk thread reopens. I'm not disgusted at the chapter, nor did I find it overtly funny.
But I am disgusted with the thread.

CCC

Oh jesus I didn't realize there were already 25 pages of garbage posting.
Kind of glad I missed it.
But good job, Glibby/DF/Daz/Lawlord for saying what had to be said, even though it's clearly a losing battle

Dododo

@Counterdose:

We used to beat logia users before haki was a factor.

I pining for that a little right now…

Sure, but they have to find the weakness and stuff like that
I doubt Oda will spend so much for a minor fight. They are usually done in 1 chapter.

And @lol at the people complaining about the bra scene

wolfwood

I honestly have no strong feelings about diaper man whatsoever. I didn't think it was funny but i'm not offended either.

But hey i could see how some could feel that those women aren't being portrayed in a good light.

But i mean that's life, some people have no respect for themselves. The world can't all be a bunch of Belle-mare's.

The men in one piece run the gamut from role model to horror story, shouldn't the women do to?

Or are women only supposed to be shown in a positive way to induce some sort of aesop?

Phoenix Zoan

@CCC:

I seriously don't think Oda's goal, as the most popular current manga artist, is to "offend" people. He's not some scumbag like Rush Limbaugh or rooshv.
Point is, western progressives (myself included) are operating on a entirely different mindset than the average 12 year old Jump reader, who knows nothing about gender politics or the implications of influential media. We're a demographic that Oda doesn't consider in the least. That's just reality.

Well yeah, it's a gag. If he offended people it obviously wasn't intended. But if he did….......so what? It was never implied to be a serious scene.

Indeed, there is a cultural difference here. In Japan, media is highly sexualized. Where western audience get offended by certain aspects of sex while violence is always okay. His majority audience doesn't care. They most likely found it humorous.

Darth

@Maju:

exactly,and it is one part of the agreement between the WG and the shichibukai.
remember that caesar destroyed a WG facility killing several men in the process (it's still not clear what was in smoker's report,so we don't know if he is also accused of the kidnapping of those children and got a pardon for that too),and still they are willing to forgive him just to make him stay in the shichibukai.
Akainu,and every single marine,it's still a WG subordinate..they pay for everything,from the salaries to the rifles,to the ships..even the food served in the various bases comes from the WG money.They decide everything…and what they don't want is to have another shichibukai to replace after Law is already out of the group.if the gorousei say to akainu to jump,he can only answer "how high?"

Hmm. I don't think this the case. What can they do him? Fire him? How do you fire chief of the strongest military force on the planet? Arrest him for insubordination? Do they have a guy strong enough to do that?

I think it might literaly be the case "You will let me deal with this stuff how do I see fit, or I will quit, and leave you with this mess."

Let's be honest here, with Aokiji, Garp and Sengoku out of the picture they don't have anybody else who could lead the marines.

CCC

@Phoenix:

Where western audience get offended by certain aspects of sex.

That's not the problem. Western progressives tend to be much more… progressive about sexual expression than the average puritanical dope.
The people complaining in this thread aren't the soccer moms who balked at Janet Jackson's boob slip.

Anyway, I'm going to petition Foolio to reopen the women thread. Clearly this conversation is upsetting people here.

Maju

@Darth:

Hmm. I don't think this the case. What can they do him? Fire him? How do you fire chief of the strongest military force on the planet? Arrest him for insubordination? Do they have a guy strong enough to do that?
I think it might literaly be the case "You will let me deal with this stuff how do I see fit, or I will quit, and leave you with this mess."

Let's be honest here, with Aokiji, Garp and Sengoku out of the picture they don't have anybody else who could lead the marines.

hmm..yes?
they don't need a strong guy at the helm if they can't control it…and without the support of the WG and organisation big as the navy is going to collapse in 48h hours..if akainu doesn't follow orders,they are just gonna find another guy

kevo_koma

Is this the first time in One piece we've had a character rip off another character's clothing?(on screen) As far as I know it is and thats what made it jarring to me(and I assume thats what Glib is trying to say?), It definitely made me pause but I'm largely meh about it since I didn't find funny or interesting.

Tomatosoup

@CCC:

That's not the problem. Western progressives tend to be much more… progressive about sexual expression than the average puritanical dope.
The people complaining in this thread aren't the soccer moms who balked at Janet Jackson's boob slip.

Anyway, I'm going to petition Foolio to reopen the women thread. Clearly this conversation is upsetting people here.

Perhaps petition for a new thread to be allowed to open instead. The old thread is a bit of a mess from what I've heard.

TheGreatestSwordsman

@parklane21:

Vergo is Highest Executive pretty much says that he outranks Trebol, Pica, and Diamante

Yup, my suspicion of him being the strongest instead of just the title of right handed man seems more and more plausable now.

pRopaaNS

Nice chapter, like always.
So will Franky take out 4 officiers by himself? Well, who knows, but at least I'm happy that we're getting more than just predetermined 1vs1 matchups in NW.

MiyamotoMusashi

@wolfwood:

I honestly have no strong feelings about diaper man whatsoever. I didn't think it was funny but i'm not offended either.

But hey i could see how some could feel that those women aren't being portrayed in a good light.

But i mean that's life, some people have no respect for themselves. The world can't all be a bunch of Belle-mare's.

The men in one piece run the gamut from role model to horror story, shouldn't the women do to?

Or are women only supposed to be shown in a positive way to induce some sort of aesop?

That´s the only thing i actually dislike about the discussion. Criticizing a piece of art is an essential part of discussing it and everybody is free to express any kind of uncomfortable feeling they got while reading the chapter, heck i would go as far as to say that someone who can sit back and try to look at something objectively is certainly a better participant in a discussion than the fanboys who only have praise for everything but there is a serious case of double standards going on around here which is something i actually can´t understand or tolerate which is why i actually ask the mods to open the thread, at least then i can avoid it.

Btw, didn´t know you and CCC got green, so congratz

Counterdose

@Dododo:

Sure, but they have to find the weakness and stuff like that
I doubt Oda will spend so much for a minor fight. They are usually done in 1 chapter.

If we're talking about Trébol, I don't know how minor I'd predict him being.

Maju

@kevo_koma:

Is this the first time in One piece we've had a character rip off another character's clothing?(on screen) As far as I know it is and thats what made it jarring to me(and I assume thats what Glib is trying to say?), It definitely made me pause but I'm largely meh about it since I didn't find funny or interesting.

nami did it to califa

Darth

@Maju:

hmm..yes?
they don't need a strong guy at the helm if they can't control it…and without the support of the WG and organisation big as the navy is going to collapse in 48h hours..if akainu doesn't follow orders,they are just gonna find another guy

And what stops Akainu from killing them all and establishing military junta when they try something like that? Remember, marines are most likely more loyal to him and the cause of absolute justice then they to WG. And if junta is established, they just need to take stuff they need. Supplies are also probably held in marine bases, so the next few days of survival wouldn't be a problem.

Kishido

I have headache now

MJR.

@Jabra:

So, Franky will likely be up against FOUR subordinates and Robin's chance to be pitted against Trebol is extremely high.

Officially getting my hopes up now.

How come you think Robin will fight Trebol?

Kishido

I bet my ass off that this is EL all over again… And at the end it will be like always... The likes Zoro and Co will get the the seats

OkamaKing

Are we actually getting another chapter before the end of the year now or do we have to wait until January?

Lorce

Lol at Usopp planking through the tunnel like a baws

!

Maju

@Darth:

And what stops Akainu from killing them all and establishing military junta when they try something like that? Remember, marines are most likely more loyal to him and the cause of absolute justice then they to WG. And if junta is established, they just need to take stuff they need. Supplies are also probably held in marine bases, so the next few days of survival wouldn't be a problem.

many,many things.
e coup d'etat like that is gonna need a lot more preparation and effort than just akainu's will after a "no" from the gorousei
also,most of the marines are there as salary man to defend the civilians,they are notta gonna fight a civil war just for akainu,destroying the lives of the same paople they swore to protect.

do you think that sengoku was ok to something like not telling the civilians that a big number of terrible criminals were now on the streets?ans still he had to do that,because no matter how you look at it,the marines are just subordinates of the WG

kouch_lee

@CCC:

Oh jesus I didn't realize there were already 25 pages of garbage posting.
Kind of glad I missed it.
But good job, Glibby/DF/Daz/Lawlord for saying what had to be said, even though it's clearly a losing battle

@wolfwood:

I honestly have no strong feelings about diaper man whatsoever. I didn't think it was funny but i'm not offended either.

But hey i could see how some could feel that those women aren't being portrayed in a good light.

But i mean that's life, some people have no respect for themselves. The world can't all be a bunch of Belle-mare's.

The men in one piece run the gamut from role model to horror story, shouldn't the women do to?

Or are women only supposed to be shown in a positive way to induce some sort of aesop?

Now I can of WANT to keep this going. I swear one of the points of the people critisizing One Piece for its sexism was that women were treated always in a good light, were never harmed, never physically abused, were always good. . .

Well, here we have women being shed in a bad light following, I repeat, a real life example.

So that's not what you wanted, I guess? You only refered to women being beaten and punched in the face?

And seriously, taking places just like that (x,y, and z forum users, you did the right thing! the rest didn't!) in a case where a debate DOES exist and where we can discuss if this was offensive or not, of things are being blown out of proportion or not. . .that's not what I was expecting, seriously. Not from this forum.