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This is bunch of crap we haven't seen DD getting any weaker or hurting from gamma knife wound during the fight, in fact we saw DD getting even stronger. So I am assuming the fact he was hit by gamma knife doesnt really matter, would be beaten by luffy despite of that fact.
You haven't seen Doflamingo go all out before the gamma knife so how would you know?
Luffy said he's counting on that gamma knife himself.
This is bunch of crap we haven't seen DD getting any weaker or hurting from gamma knife wound during the fight, in fact we saw DD getting even stronger. So I am assuming the fact he was hit by gamma knife doesnt really matter, would be beaten by luffy despite of that fact.
All the damage Dofla received had to take a toll on him. Otherwise what's the use?
Dofla looked a lot worse than he did at the start of the fighting, even before Luffy went to G4.
@DHL:
You haven't seen Doflamingo go all out before the gamma knife so how would you know?
Luffy said he's counting on that gamma knife himself.
Still there is no proof Gamma knife affected him in any manner, so stop this speculations. Facts are DD was beaten easy mode by Luffy, even after his awakening.
This strings were enough to block Calvary cannon or smash anything it touches, they are as taugh as the razor sharp.
Technically Luffys wrists should break it because he was tied in them.
But Zoro the man that can cut anything is going to try stop it to buy Luffy time.
a) no one being able to read them isn't the issue, the issue is people that would be interested into studying them.
b)they aren't well hiden, and their location are well known. And here we have Jinbe carrying a poneglyph when he was'nt even looking for a poneglyph.
a)if nobody can read them ,nobody can study them.What is important on the poneglyph is what is written on,by themselves they are just extremely resistant cubes of some rock,Ohara's archeologists were dangerous because they learned how to read them,but they also dedicated their lives and used an entire organization for that..as long as they prevent such organisations to exist,they have nothing to fear,except for robin
b)they are not well known,like,at all.Cobra was extremely surprised when crocodile knew about it ,the other is on skypiea,an island detatched from the whole world where the marines and WG have no representatives..and even if there were,the poignee griffe was hidden on the ruines of the old golden city.The other is on fishman island..a place ruled by an emperor (whitebeard first,big mom now),that it's so far away from the WG's reach that people thought they could go away with killing a tenryuubito..this last one was on ruind on the bottom of the ocean.
these location doesn't seem either well known or easy to reach..there's a reason why robin is an archeologists,they are not on display
Still there is no proof Gamma knife affected him in any manner, so stop this speculations. Facts are DD was beaten easy mode by Luffy, even after his awakening.
He didn't awaken himself this chapter. He's used this ability before casually.
It did nothing. So let's take out chapter 781?
All the damage Dofla received had to take a toll on him. Otherwise what's the use?
Dofla looked a lot worse than he did at the start of the fighting, even before Luffy went to G4.
How does he look worse? Did he say during fight that his stomache hurts? Was he bleeding randomly without being hit? Did he say he is weaker now ? Gamma knife had no effect all the wounds Gamma knife did was Healed by his ito ito no mi. Thats the fact joe.
It wasn't the most exciting of chapters, specially following last week's weirdly engaging take on action. I get it Oda wanted to tackle the issue of the Birdcage being, well, an issue, and how Dold is a character and wants to do stuff to help his citizens.
Still, as a result, the action felt disjointed. For something that's supposed to be huge, the DF Awakening, it felt like an afterthought amidst the rest of the chapter's focus on other things. Luffy's attacks are cool and unique, but there was a lack of flow that was there last week but not this time around.
It was also a really weird week if you followed the spoilers, like me. Everything was really confusing, there were a lot of fake spoilers and unexact information and, after all that, the chapter was way more standard than what it was supposed to be. Next week I'll stay clear from spoilers, that's for sure. It was specially intoxicating this time.
And I don't buy even for a second that Doffy is down. No way José.
@DHL:
Technically Luffys wrists should break it because he was tied in them.
But Zoro the man that can cut anything is going to try stop it to buy Luffy time.
And I suggest you reread the chapter. Zoro Didn't say he is gonna cut or stop the birdcage, he said he is gonna slow it down. There is a difference boy.
How does he look worse? Did he say during fight that his stomache hurts? Was he bleeding randomly without being hit? Did he say he is weaker now ? Gamma knife had no effect all the wounds Gamma knife did was Healed by his ito ito no mi. Thats the fact joe.
Did fucking whitebeard complain when he couldn't take out Blackbeard?
Fighters don't complain about pain. They accept and ignore pain to fight.
That grandma was the coolest part of the chapter.
did jimbei just take the poneglyph with him….
Well he is ladies man 
@Shobu:
Can't wait for that moment when Foxy awakens his devil fruit becoming Dio Brando :ninja:
Hahah, this chapter calls for a whole new level of discussion in devil fruits thread.
Yeah, let's call a subject we know very little so far a plot hole. Getting rusty with the trolling now.
I think his username pretty much says it all XD
And I suggest you reread the chapter. Zoro Didn't say he is gonna cut or stop the birdcage, he said he is gonna slow it down. There is a difference boy.
Thanks for reinforcing my point lol
It wasn't the most exciting of chapters, specially following last week's weirdly engaging take on action. I get it Oda wanted to tackle the issue of the Birdcage being, well, an issue, and how Dold is a character and wants to do stuff to help his citizens.
Still, as a result, the action felt disjointed. For something that's supposed to be huge, the DF Awakening, it felt like an afterthought amidst the rest of the chapter's focus on other things. Luffy's attacks are cool and unique, but there was a lack of flow that was there last week but not this time around.
It was also a really weird week if you followed the spoilers, like me. Everything was really confusing, there were a lot of fake spoilers and unexact information and, after all that, the chapter was way more standard than what it was supposed to be. Next week I'll stay clear from spoilers, that's for sure. It was specially intoxicating this time.
And I don't buy even for a second that Doffy is down. No way José.
well i don't think the awakening was supposed to be a big reveal…
oda has taken an habit odf revealing something but let it hang for a couple hundred chapters and explain it later..the very first time we saw awakening devil fruit it was barelty mentioned by crocodile and then passed on.
a)if nobody can read them ,nobody can study them.What is important on the poneglyph is what is written on,by themselves they are just extremely resistant cubes of some rock,Ohara's archeologists were dangerous because they learned how to read them,but they also dedicated their lives and used an entire organisation for that..as long as they prevent such organisations to exist,they have nothing to fear,except for robin
you can never be sure about that. You can't prove that no one is able to read them, for story purpose only Robin can read them, obviously, but when you are so scared about people finding out what is written on these stones, the best is to keep these stones to yourself, right?
b)they are not well known,like,at all.Cobra was extremely surprised when crocodile knew about it
No, Cobra was surprised about Croc's information about Pluton.
the other is on skypiea,an island detatched from the whole world where the marines and WG have no representatives..
yay sure, but let's not forget that it was on the land 400 years ago, and that a king from North blue was actually going to visit that island.
The other is on fishman island..a place ruled by an emperor (whitebeard first,big mom now)
As if Big Mom would do something because the WG decide to take a poneglyph that no one from the island can read, that's not really convincing.
these location doesn't seem either well known or easy to reach..there's a reason why robin is an archeologists,they are not on display
yay, and Jinbe isn't an archeologist. Finding a poneglyph isn't that hard really, especially if you are a high ranked from the World government.
@DHL:
Did fucking whitebeard complain when he couldn't take out Blackbeard?
Fighters don't complain about pain. They accept and ignore pain to fight.
Yes whitebeard was spitting blood randomly and had troubles moving from time to time, DD didn't.
You asked why Gamma knife was introduced? So Luffy can Leo Bazooka Doflamingo into stomache and destroy his organs completely, so there will be no excuse for him to stand up after this. The onyl way DD will stand up after this hit is if he somehow use his awakened strings to move his body.
I think it would've been cooler if the awakening of DF was reserved for zoans. It fits their characteristics more (short-distance fighters). Hopefully not every awakened paramecia will get logia-esque attacks like Dofla.
Yes whitebeard was spitting blood randomly and had troubles moving from time to time, DD didn't.
You asked why Gamma knife was introduced? So Luffy can Leo Bazooka Doflamingo into stomache and destroy his organs completely, so there will be no excuse for him to stand up after this. The onyl way DD will stand up after this hit is if he somehow use his awakened strings to move his body.
Dude Do flamingo was spitting blood out and still is. He was spewing from the gamma knife.
So basically Luffy can't defeat Doflamingo because Doflamingo doesn't complain about being weakened by it. The more weakened you get the closer you are to defeat.
Lion Bazooka or Leo Bazooka ?
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are you not annoyed by doflamingo not doing anything to luffy? i mean luffy attacks and gives punches and blows, doflamingo is there watching and taking all the attacks and flying and thinking and… not a single attack did a scratch to luffy in the last chapters. it's really underwhelming, and also i cannot see how a man in that situation could still laugh and ridicule the opponent who's obviously giving him a hard time.
not liking at all how oda is portraying dofla
Thought I was going to go insane waiting for this! Thanks to the translators and posters.
Kinda glad the cover-story is over. The important parts are the discovery of the poneglyph and that Jinbe has a new kimono for when he FINALLY joins the Straw Hats. I hope it's a pretty colour, maybe something in yellow would suit him.
It looks like some theories are proving correct; Koala has been chasing Burgess & he seems to be stealing something, possibly devil fruits. Is the blanket across his shoulders called a furo?
We guessed the sea-prism factory was going to be immune to birdcage. Wonder where that's going now. Don't think the entire population is going to fit.
King Riku gives an inspiring speech. Well he's had ten years pissing about to perfect it I guess.
Fujitora gets a panel, looking inscrutable as ever. Wonder if he's going to play any part in events.
From what Dofla is saying Gear 4 is another kludge move; it's something Luffy's doing to approximate a better technique. Gives him some room to grow and wondering just what the cost of G4 will be.
No way Dofla's down but he's definitely winded.
I'm going to take this translation with a grain of salt. Sure Dofla says awakened devil fruit effect everything around them but it just sounds too overpowered.
Possibly the cost is too high to use as anything but a desperation move. Could Dofla end up as a drooling string creature not unlike the Impel Down beast?
@DHL:
Dude Do flamingo was spitting blood out and still is. He was spewing from the gamma knife.
So basically Luffy can't defeat Doflamingo because Doflamingo doesn't complain about being weakened by it. The more weakened you get the closer you are to defeat.
I still disagree. During fight with Luffy DD only spitted blood when hit by Luffy. This organ wound didn't make him any weaker, only maybe reduced his stamina. But Luffy stamina was also lower during their fight. Still don't tell me Luffy would be beaten by DD if he hasen't this wound we clearly see how much difference in power levels there is between Luffy and DD. It's not little difference it's huge.
Lion Bazooka or Leo Bazooka ?
Man, lets go with Lion.
Leo makes it looks like an homage to a certain dwarf.
you can never be sure about that. You can't prove that no one is able to read them, for story purpose only Robin can read them, obviously, but when you are so scared about people findint out what is written on these stones, the best is to keep these stones to yourself, right?
well,even in real life without a stepping stone like a translation or something,you can't translate a language,like,at all.with hyeroglyphs we had to wait till we found the rosetta stone to start translating them..otherwise nobody had a clue.also..as i said,their location is a mistery by itself.
No, Cobra was surprised about Croc's information about Pluton.
since croco asked him where he was the poignee griffe,you can bet he didn't know where it was either..otherwise why caring about bringing cobra with him?he would have killed him and proceed with his takeover
yay sure, but let's not forget that it was on the land 400 years ago, and that a king from North blue was actually going to visit that island.
and it was an exploration on an unknown island far away from every civilization connected to the WG,that still believed that they had to do human sacrifices to calm a big serpent god.And when one nation connected to the WG stepped on the island,the poignee griffe was not on the island anymore.And people believed that Noland was a liar..so even if he mentioned the griffe when he was back,nobody would have believed him.
As if Big Mom would do something because the WG decide to take a poneglyph that no one from the island can read, that's not really convincing.
point a)big mama WOULD intervene..mainly because it's part of the agreement with the island,they give her candies,she gives them "protection".
point b)do you really see an emperor making marines and WG men roaming freely on one of their domains?and what would be WG's excuse to not take the island when they go there?it's basically a pirate base.
yay, and Jinbe isn't an archeologist. Finding a poneglyph isn't a that hard really, especially if you are a high ranked from the World government.
so jinbe finding one griffe by mistake means that they are easy to discover ?_?
it's like saying that if i find 100 bucks on the ground,i can safely assume that anybody do that all the time.that without considering that the bottom of the ocean is not a place somebody would just take a casual walk on a discover a poignee griffe.there was a series of things that brought jinbe to discover it.
I've been thinking why the editor added the comment about finishing move when dofla doesn't look like he's down yet, and it has finally dawned on me, it was to show homage for kamehameha. Since kamehameha was considered as the finishing move.
Now Jinbe is bringing her one of the greatest gifts she could imagine. They're getting married during the epilogue.
Dunno… Smells fishy to me. Or to put it in your own words
at what point is enough enough?!
I still disagree. During fight with Luffy DD only spitted blood when hit by Luffy. This organ wound didn't make him any weaker, only maybe reduced his stamina. But Luffy stamina was also lower during their fight. Still don't tell me Luffy would be beaten by DD if he hasen't this wound we clearly see how much difference in power levels there is between Luffy and DD. It's not little difference it's huge.
He's fighting for his life.
Doflamingo was punking everyone. As soon as he took the gamma knife Luffy was landing hits for the first time.
Gamma knife made Doflamingo spew heaps of blood, and got counter shocked right after. Stamina yes, but it has taken an massive toll on him.
Doflamingo complaining about the pain is only gonna give the enemy hope. Showing it did nothing makes efforts seem futile. Its his style. Doflamingo dodged a hawk gattling with ease as well.
It was also a really weird week if you followed the spoilers, like me. Everything was really confusing, there were a lot of fake spoilers and unexact information and, after all that, the chapter was way more standard than what it was supposed to be. Next week I'll stay clear from spoilers, that's for sure. It was specially intoxicating this time.
That's really your own fault really. Staying away from the spoilers would be a great idea for you, indeed.
are you not annoyed by doflamingo not doing anything to luffy? i mean luffy attacks and gives punches and blows, doflamingo is there watching and taking all the attacks and flying and thinking and… not a single attack did a scratch to luffy in the last chapters. it's really underwhelming, and also i cannot see how a man in that situation could still laugh and ridicule the opponent who's obviously giving him a hard time.
not liking at all how oda is portraying dofla
he was dominating until 5 minutes ago
also,he is figuring out luffy atm..i don't really think he is down..he has been in control almost for the entirety of dressrosa..i think he can take a break
maybe Kaido can turn people around him into zoans?
It was also a really weird week if you followed the spoilers, like me. Everything was really confusing, there were a lot of fake spoilers and unexact information and, after all that, the chapter was way more standard than what it was supposed to be. Next week I'll stay clear from spoilers, that's for sure. It was specially intoxicating this time.
And I don't buy even for a second that Doffy is down. No way José.
Actually following the spoilers made thios chapter more hyped than it should have been, what is kind of cool.
I feel the same way about it, the fight getting interrupted like this, definitely felt weird.
But as you say there is no way Doffy is down, which makes it somehow okay, that we get next week the focus back on the action, which will be this time the real ending of this clash. (but in my opinion we will see some pages dedicated to Zoro stopping the birdcage with a massive attacked, followed by the final punch from Luffy)
Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.
@Don:
My prediction for next chapter:
Gear 4 wears off, Doffy aint done and he´s using his awakened strings to catch Luffy, binding him like Sanji.
Chapter goes to Zoro, who will do an amazing attack to cut the birdcage.
Doffy ready for his finishing move on Luffy after talking a bit, notices that the birdcage is sliced.
Luffy using in some way CoC to free himself from the strings(explaining that with CoC Doffy cant control that person) and goes at Doffy using his finisher CoC move right into Doffys face….sunglasses fly away and birdcage vanishes.
Now that would be awesome
"Gear Fourth is almost ending!"
"20 minutes later…"
This is a mistranslation right? Is it supposed to be something like "20 minutes left"?
… Meh.
That is exactly how I feel with this chapter: Meh.
More detailed thoughts in a sec.
Thoughts on the chapter:
Luffy looked like Bullet Bill at one point.
20 minutes later was a little confusing, did it mean to say 20 minutes left before birdcage is done closing in?
If it literally meant 20 minutes later then Luffy can stay in that form for a long ass time.
Makes me wonder if the move Kuzan used against Doffy was some sort of awakening ability? Would make sense since it seemed rather instantaneous and he didn't really move a muscle to do it. Could also explain how he cycles across the seas so effortlessly, but hey it could just be that he's a badass, just speculating on whether there was foreshadowing of awakening. Can't really draw from much since hardly anyone pre-timeskip could possibly be on that level besides the admirals.
SABO versus Burgess round two, I'm more excited about that fight than the Luffy vs Doffy one. Burgess is no chump, he's a champ so I expect him to last a few rounds against Sabo, but I think he's going to do something ridiculously rash to keep up with Sabo and maybe eat a devil fruit that he looted? (yeah I know my thoughts are becoming fan fiction at this point)
What could Burgess want from Luffy? Did Kurohige order him to take him out while he's vulnerable? I don't think all awakening abilities will mean "the environment around you will become like your ability". But, if it is imagine giant buildings throwing rubber punches for Luffy, world gatling!
Like people have pointed out the factory might become the place where people take refuge, if Zoro coats his blades with Seastone and slices birdcage with it it would be cool or even break bits of the factory off bit by bit and hurl them at the cage with Cannon attacks. Might prove effective. I doubt Mansherry can restore an entire island so I think the kingdom will be built from scratch to help the citizens forget about the horror show that Dressrosa became. It's obvious Doffy's not done yet, Luffy was in a hurry and threw all his energy into one final attack and now will be in his base form, there's not enough urgency for the fight to finish just like that. I think we're going to see some conqueror's haki segments in the coming chapters where Doffy tells Luffy he doesn't know jack all about Conqueror's haki and it's potential. I mean it makes sense for this seemingly useless trait to get some more exposition. Doffy is in he's 40s after all so his level of knowledge isn't surprising at all.
We got a hadouken in the form of Lion Bazooka now I want to see Sagat's Tiger uppercut.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
How does he look worse? Did he say during fight that his stomache hurts? Was he bleeding randomly without being hit? Did he say he is weaker now ? Gamma knife had no effect all the wounds Gamma knife did was Healed by his ito ito no mi. Thats the fact joe.
Some of my friends call me Joe. I'm Ivan and it's sort of our warriant of John. Then they shortened it. Can't believe you hit the nail.
But you're talking crap, and you know it yourself. Dofla was affected by Law's attack. Everyone knows it. Dofla knows it, Law knows it, Luffy knows it, I know it, you know it, DHL knows it.
Remember when Robin called Jinbe handsom? Now Jinbe is bringing her one of the greatest gifts she could imagine. They're getting married during the epilogue.
So much fucking this.
If he took the glyph , that has to come into play sooner than later, right?
I love how the crew is in Jinbe's thoughts even when separated from them.
"Gear Fourth is almost ending!"
"20 minutes later…"This is a mistranslation right? Is it supposed to be something like "20 minutes left"?
Yes. Nothing else makes sense.
We got a hadouken in the form of Lion Bazooka now I want to see Sagat's Tiger uppercut.
We've been getting Dhalsim's moves right from the start, though. :ninja:
So how is the search for the bear-shirt going?
Knowing Oda he might have showed him in a previous chapter already^^
Now is the moment where Doflamingo goes rampage (he take off his feathers), and they need to use de Healing fruit and Law power GEAR 4+ Law power. It's a very typical manga moment.
Yes. Nothing else makes sense.
We've been getting Dhalsim's moves right from the start, though. :ninja:
Lol, still! Calling it now, a tiger uppercut will be the finishing move against Doffy, I doubt it will be, yet again, another powered up version of gatling.
After dolflamingo saying " There is a whole new world of possibilities after the awakening" Makes me thinks we haven't seen a fraction of what an awaken devil fruit can do. I don't necessarily think that an awakened devil fruit is more powerful just that it can do more "stuff". And the whole thing about dolflamingo commenting on luffys gear 4 makes me think that it is an incomplete project and that's why it is such a over the top design. I think luffy will change is gear 4 when he learns to awaken his devil fruit and not make a gear 5.
Next chapter luffy will go gear 5
Almost 800 chapters in and a new dimension of DFs that's not an asspull is introduced; the hints include the Zoan's in Impel Down and (probably) Punk Hazard due to Akainu and Kuzan. To think Oda planned this…............But I guess I shouldn't be surprised; Goda always has a plan for our liv-I mean One Piece!!
For some reason, I picture Luffy's DF awakening looking like a Bouncing Castle.
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