Anyone else fed up with the gaming community?

[Buuhan1]

Am I the only one who has gotten to the point of flat out not giving a damn what the gaming community as a whole thinks anymore? Especially in terms of fandom, it's gotten so fucking stupid I just wanna facepalm my brain from my skull. Case and point being a large (or just very vocal) portion of the community saying DmC and Tomb Raider are some of the worst games this year, calling them garbage, mainly because they changed a bit. And let's not get started on review scores and the sheer stupid levels of entitlement gamers have gotten and how they now blow the smallest bits of info waaay out of proportion, even if it's a rumor. Especially if it's a rumor.

I would really just block it out by this point, but I very much enjoy visiting gaming sites and forums to read so it's kinda impossible. I have pretty much abandoned reviews tho. I don't read them anymore and I don't even really glance at scores by this point either. Generally you can tell via word of mouth when a game is truly awful and when it's just people throwing a fit. You can tell the difference in the wind from Ride to Hell: Retribution vs. Batman: Arkham Origins for example. Bottom line is if I'm interested in playing a game, then I shall play it. Maybe not right off the bat, but eventually.

[Enzeru]

And because you're fed up with the community, you create a thread dedicated to it?

[FelRes]

Gaming has the worst fanbase of any medium, ever, in the history of mankind. I don't know why I stick with it.

Trusting word of mouth is a horrible idea though. If you trusted word of mouth, you'd believe Naughty Dog was the second coming of Jesus.

[Buuhan1]

@Enzeru:

And because you're fed up with the community, you create a thread dedicated to it?

I like to consider us here at AP a little niche group outside of the larger gaming community, and that'd it'd be something to discuss among ourselves.
@FelRes:

Trusting word of mouth is a horrible idea though. If you trusted word of mouth, you'd believe Naughty Dog was the second coming of Jesus.

Well I don't believe in Jesus, but I do consider Naughty Dog pretty much the best developer out there right now.

[DarthAsthma]

I like how you speak of the "gaming community" and yet you just complain about people that most likely have just been acting dumb or blowing steam off.
Like what does that even mean caring about the opinions of the "gaming community"? Who are you giving your attention to?

You say the "gaming community" declared DmC and Tomb Raider to be part of the worst this year and yet I swear I've also read people loving those titles.
I can't say much about Tomb Raider since I wasn't interested in reading much about what people had to say about it.
But I've read a lot of great stuff about DmC, regarding what is great about it and what wasn't a fit for the franchise.
It just feels like you're just being very selective about what you pick up and thus building your own image of that the "gaming community" thinks.

Not to mention how ridiculous this generalization is about the gaming community. Maybe you just have to change your environment and surround yourself with less negativity. But seriously every time I read one of those complaining post about the "gaming community" being the worst I have to cringe hard.
It's so unfathomable dumb and the people spouting such bullshit just come of like they drank their own "I'm superior kool-aid". Speaking about the failings of this "community" like they're not part of it.

Cause let's be honest you could apply that kind of attitude very well to humanity itself and all you would have accomplished with that is being a giant prick or a very annoying teenager("Oh capitalism is the doom of humanity let's fuck modern society whine whine"). Fact of the matter is what you don't like about the "gaming community" is such a ridiculously small subset of people gaming, and you putting the negativity they spread on a pedestal making it seem like that's all there is to it is doing no one a favor.

And if you feel like the well reasoned and positive people in this "community" you perceive are too few how about you making a good well reasoned post on a topic yourself. I'm sure if it's any good people will respond to it. But seriously this is just trash and I don't see the people you talk about being representative for anything really.

@FelRes:

Gaming has the worst fanbase of any medium, ever, in the history of mankind. I don't know why I stick with it.

Trusting word of mouth is a horrible idea though. If you trusted word of mouth, you'd believe Naughty Dog was the second coming of Jesus.

roll eyes:getlost:facepalm

[FelRes]

@DarthAsthma:

I like how you speak of the "gaming community" and yet you just complain about people that most likely have just been acting dumb or blowing steam off.
Like what does that even mean caring about the opinions of the "gaming community"? Who are you giving your attention to?

You say the "gaming community" declared DmC and Tomb Raider to be part of the worst this year and yet I swear I've also read people loving those titles.
I can't say much about Tomb Raider since I wasn't interested in reading much about what people had to say about it.
But I've read a lot of great stuff about DmC, regarding what is great about it and what wasn't a fit for the franchise.
It just feels like you're just being very selective about what you pick up and thus building your own image of that the "gaming community" thinks.

Not to mention how ridiculous this generalization is about the gaming community. Maybe you just have to change your environment and surround yourself with less negativity. But seriously every time I read one of those complaining post about the "gaming community" being the worst I have to cringe hard.
It's so unfathomable dumb and the people spouting such bullshit just come of like they drank their own "I'm superior kool-aid". Speaking about the failings of this "community" like they're not part of it.

Cause let's be honest you could apply that kind of attitude very well to humanity itself and all you would have accomplished with that is being a giant prick or a very annoying teenager("Oh capitalism is the doom of humanity let's fuck modern society whine whine"). Fact of the matter is what you don't like about the "gaming community" is such a ridiculously small subset of people gaming and you putting the negativity they spread on a pedestal, reigning over everyone is doing no one a favor.

And if you feel like the well reasoned and positive people in this "community" you perceive are too few how about you making a good well reasoned post on a topic yourself. I'm sure if it's any good people will respond to it.

The hell gaming community do you visit that you have this attitude? I want in.

[y2kyle89]

People saying the Tomb Raider reboot sucked? I've heard the gameplay and story don't mesh but I haven't heard it sucked.

[DarthAsthma]

@FelRes:

The hell gaming community do you visit that you have this attitude? I want in.

The one where people don't make dumb generalizations?
Seriously it's as annoying as the people hating on the internet because youtube comments exist. "Uhhh the internet is such a vile piece of human garbage breeding hate…. Uuuh".

The fuck... the last time I looked it also is a place where wonderful fan wikis exist, where people exchange with another all over the world and where you can find like minded people no matter where you live.

Same principle applies to this "gaming community" you all so mention casually, really...
If you're not capable of seeing it I assure you it's entirely because of your own limitations.

[valiantt]

@y2kyle89:

People saying the Tomb Raider reboot sucked? I've heard the gameplay and story don't mesh but I haven't heard it sucked.

I was under the impression that Square thought it sucked

[FelRes]

@DarthAsthma:

The one where people don't make dumb generalizations?

Yes. And that is… ? I'm an IGn regular, it's horrible over there. How about you? Gamefaqs? Neogaf? /v/? Wherever it is, it made you a whiny gamer considering your whining, contributing to the notion that gamers are particularly awful.

[GetsugaZoro]

Its the internet community, gaming side is really really awful but its basicly everywhere in the internet.

[ObeliskTheTrainer]

Really depends on where you're looking. Tomb raiders graphics were insane, the story showed her character evolve, and it's probably the best female antagonist I got to play, simply because she was real. Yet you see the call of duty franchise get 10/10's almost every year (surprisingly not this year), yet, it's simply a rehash of the previous game with up to date textures and a little new toy to play with. Whoever pays gets the rating they want essentially.

You should be considering opinions, not sharing them when it comes to shopping things you may or not like. I'm sure you wouldn't get the new pokemon game even if it was the #1 game best seller on every magazine if you had to charge $2 to catch a pokemon, right? hahaha

[andre]

I honestly think the biggest problem with the "gaming community" in general is people that complain about the gaming community, or label others as entitled or complainers. Other than that, the gaming community just mirrors the problems and successes of the internet.

[DarthAsthma]

@FelRes:

Yes. And that is… ? I'm an IGn regular, it's horrible over there. How about you? Gamefaqs? Neogaf? /v/? Wherever it is, it made you a whiny gamer considering your whining, contributing to the notion that gamers are particularly awful.

Wait what?
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As for your question, like nothing in particular? I read gaf, gamasutra, siliconera, etc... I talk with friends, I've had good conversations within games like wow, dota2, guild wars 1-2, etc... and made good friends in some of them, I'm on this forum and had good talks here, I've been to conventions and met great people there, too.
And the same goes for the opposite, I've suffered from coming in contact with terrible idiots in most of the multiplayer games I've played, I've met gamers that were incredibly awkward, I've seen the dumb stuff some people pull like making death threats to developers.

And yet here I am not making incredibly asinine statements about the "community". The problem is with people like you just seeing the bad stuff.
Which is fine if you wouldn't make a point of making it seem like that is all there is.

Like seriously Extra Life was only 2 weeks ago and raised 3.8 million. What does that say about the "community"? Good and bad exist everywhere something I didn't think I had to spell out extra since I thought it was common sense.

Maybe I should ignore shit like this but I don't know the thing that gets me riled up about it is that the method of generalization used here is the reasons for many other stupid examples of idiocy that we can encounter in life.

Like the media shows us these people from the US being so wrapped up in their religion that it goes beyond reason and suddenly every christian becomes a fanatic lunatic and somehow being of lesser intelligence because of their beliefs.
Some insane person that played games shoots up a school suddenly every gamer is a potential for mass murder.
Or in this case some hundred people on a forum are being idiots suddenly the whole "gaming community" is the worst thing evar!!!

I can't help it I just get tired of this shit.

[Demonicpoodle]

@FelRes:

Yes. And that is… ? I'm an IGn regular, it's horrible over there. How about you? Gamefaqs? Neogaf? /v/?

There's a very large gaming community where those things don't happen nearly as much and is roughly 100x better than all of the ones you mentioned (though /v/ can be entertaining). The thing is though you have to be on top of new game threads because they quickly get too gigantic to be read (100 pages about the game at 40 posts per page is very common within a week if it's a hot topic).

I don't expose myself to the darker depths of the gaming community enough to know if I don't like the gaming community I think Buuhan1 is mentioning. I thought I might dislike how aggressive people can be in competitive online games (trash talk), but then there's aspects to that I like too like the venting aspect.

[FelRes]

@DarthAsthma:

Wait what?
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As for your question, like nothing in particular? I read gaf, gamasutra, siliconera, etc... I talk with friends, I've had good conversations within games like wow, dota2, guild wars 1-2, etc... and made good friends in some of them, I'm on this forum and had good talks here, I've been to conventions and met great people there, too.
And the same goes for the opposite, I've suffered from coming in contact with terrible idiots in most of the multiplayer games I've played, I've met gamers that were incredibly awkward, I've seen the dumb stuff some people pull like making death threats to developers.

And yet here I am not making incredibly asinine statements about the "community". The problem is with people like you just seeing the bad stuff.
Which is fine if you wouldn't make a point of making it seem like that is all there is.

Like seriously Extra Life was only 2 weeks ago and raised 3.8 million. What does that say about the "community"? Good and bad exist everywhere something I didn't think I had to spell out extra since I thought it was common sense.

You can't mention this forum, it's a One Piece community. I'm saying you're a whiny gamer. You're being really defensive and whiny about whiners. You aren't any better than the rest of the gamers. Plus you're stating obvious things. Of course there's good and bad within communities, but the truth is that gaming communities tend to be bad. Like really bad. It's extremely opinionated, full of trolling, the center of internet flame wars, full of awkward types, and there's always people with bad taste. Something like Extra Life doesn't even come close to salvaging it. The fact that it's even being argued in this thread kinda proves the point.

[DarthAsthma]

@FelRes:

You can't mention this forum, it's a One Piece community. I'm saying you're a whiny gamer. You're being really defensive and whiny about whiners. You aren't any better than the rest of the gamers. Plus you're stating obvious things. Of course there's good and bad within communities, but the truth is that gaming communities tend to be bad. Like really bad. It's extremely opinionated, full of trolling, the center of internet flame wars, full of awkward types, and there's always people with bad taste. Something like Extra Life doesn't even come close to salvaging it. The fact that it's even being argued in this thread kinda proves the point.

I will let this stand for itself as an example of horrid reading comprehension.
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As to your point of the gaming community being mostly bad ok if you say so. But then I and the dozen of friends I have are probably not part of this "gaming community" you speak of. And I'm sure there will be people here echoing that sentiment.
I wonder what's left in that "community" after we've singled out all those people that think the same as me.

So long from an apparently whining gamer whining about whining gamers.

[valiantt]

A thread about whining with whining in it that whines about whiners which provoke others to whine about those that whine about those that whine about others. And thus manifested another fellow that whines about the whiner whining about the whiner that whines about the gaming community being a bunch of whiners. Oh the fun never ends!

[DarthAsthma]

To help people lost with the jargon:

whine

(h)wīn/
verb
gerund or present participle: whining

1. give or make a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound.
2. complain in a feeble or petulant way.
3. to point out someone being wrong:ninja:

[y2kyle89]

@valiantt:

A thread about whining with whining in it that whines about whiners which provoke others to whine about those that whine about those that whine about others. And thus manifested another fellow that whines about the whiner whining about the whiner that whines about the gaming community being a bunch of whiners. Oh the fun never ends!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/01/article-0-1B18EF38000005DC-26_638x651.jpg

Everybody's wrong so vote Republican?

[FelRes]

@Demonicpoodle:

There's a very large gaming community where those things don't happen nearly as much and is roughly 100x better than all of the ones you mentioned (though /v/ can be entertaining). The thing is though you have to be on top of new game threads because they quickly get too gigantic to be read (100 pages about the game at 40 posts per page is very common within a week if it's a hot topic).

I don't expose myself to the darker depths of the gaming community enough to know if I don't like the gaming community I think Buuhan1 is mentioning. I thought I might dislike how aggressive people can be in competitive online games (trash talk), but then there's aspects to that I like too like the venting aspect.

I want to know what this 100x better place is. See the trash talking and stuff I find to be a negative. Right now as I type my roommate is cursing at some LoL stream. And there's an astounding amount of negatives. But I embrace these negative things. They entertain me, and I contribute. I'm okay with it all being awful. I enjoy it because it's awful(prolly why you enjoy /v/). I just admit it's awful. Not sure if my crappy point is coming across.

@valiantt:

A thread about whining with whining in it that whines about whiners which provoke others to whine about those that whine about those that whine about others. And thus manifested another fellow that whines about the whiner whining about the whiner that whines about the gaming community being a bunch of whiners. Oh the fun never ends!

[qimg]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/01/article-0-1B18EF38000005DC-26_638x651.jpg[/qimg]

Basically we should all just shut up and turn back before this even hits page 2, right.
edit: make that 3

[Demonicpoodle]

@valiantt:

A thread about whining with whining in it that whines about whiners which provoke others to whine about those that whine about those that whine about others. And thus manifested another fellow that whines about the whiner whining about the whiner that whines about the gaming community being a bunch of whiners. Oh the fun never ends!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/01/article-0-1B18EF38000005DC-26_638x651.jpg

Mr. Pom's wild ride never ends!

@FelRes:

I want to know what this 100x better place is. See the trash talking and stuff I find to be a negative. Right now as I type my roommate is cursing at some LoL stream. And there's an astounding amount of negatives. But I embrace these negative things. They entertain me, and I contribute. I'm okay with it all being awful. I enjoy it because it's awful(prolly why you enjoy /v/). I just admit it's awful. Not sure if my crappy point is coming across.

I'll PM it to ya.

[Enzeru]

Look at that- the thread did turn into something entertaining after all.

[King Cannon]

Every community has its own obnoxious members.

You just have to deal with them.

@Demonicpoodle:

There's a very large gaming community where those things don't happen nearly as much and is roughly 100x better than all of the ones you mentioned (though /v/ can be entertaining). The thing is though you have to be on top of new game threads because they quickly get too gigantic to be read (100 pages about the game at 40 posts per page is very common within a week if it's a hot topic).

I also would like to know what this place is, though I have the slight suspicion that I do know.

[Sakonosolo]

@Buuhan1:

Case and point being a large (or just very vocal) portion of the community saying DmC and Tomb Raider are some of the worst games this year, calling them garbage, mainly because they changed a bit.

There's been a lot of stuff recently about taking old games, drastically (not just a bit) changing them to try and get them to appeal to as many people as possible to try and rake in that dosh, and then blaming something other than them creating a shitty game on why it failed. I never played any of the Devil May Cry or Tomb Raider games but the people who think DmC was only looked down upon because it changed the character (while keeping the name mind you) are wrong. There are many other reasons why it isn't a good Devil May Cry game.

Another example being the new Thief game. I'm more experience with Thief so I can tell you that there's much MUCH more stuff wrong with it than just the character being changed.

[Green_vs_Red]

@ObeliskTheTrainer:

Really depends on where you're looking. Tomb raiders graphics were insane, the story showed her character evolve, and it's probably the best female antagonist I got to play, simply because she was real. Yet you see the call of duty franchise get 10/10's almost every year (surprisingly not this year), yet, it's simply a rehash of the previous game with up to date textures and a little new toy to play with. Whoever pays gets the rating they want essentially.

Which is just speculation and rarely if ever tends to actually happen. Saying that a publisher pays reviewers to give their games the score they want is basically a roundabout way of dismissing a review of a game you don't like (and very likely have never played) that you can't stand the idea of people actually liking. I've even seen people claim the opposite that companies pay to have reviewers give bad or lower scores to something that's competing against their own product like EA's MOH/Battlefied against Activision COD.

[Pochipochi]

"Gamers" as a culture suck because they are an exclusionary bunch, game journalism is the pits because it's homogeneous and on cruise control and represents an insanely narrow narrative (these people don't NEED to be paid for their 10/10s lol). Both problems go really far and are really dense if you actually go into it beyond just a superficial "look at these awful guys in LoL", the latter of which is still a sincere problem, just more a symptom than anything.

But DMC is still an awful game.

[Mickamott]

@Buuhan1:

Am I the only one who has gotten to the point of flat out not giving a damn what the gaming community as a whole thinks anymore? Especially in terms of fandom, it's gotten so fucking stupid I just wanna facepalm my brain from my skull. Case and point being a large (or just very vocal) portion of the community saying DmC and Tomb Raider are some of the worst games this year, calling them garbage, mainly because they changed a bit. And let's not get started on review scores and the sheer stupid levels of entitlement gamers have gotten and how they now blow the smallest bits of info waaay out of proportion, even if it's a rumor. Especially if it's a rumor.

I'd say this is the biggest deal, in that the worst part of the gaming community is the most vocal. Because of this there are sites/forums out there that aren't very constructive. Sites that I think tend to be well mannered and constructive (for the most part) include Polygon, Kotaku, and, for Nintendo centric news, Nintendolife.

As a gamer I tend to enjoy Nintendo the most, though I do plan on getting a PS4 and I have enjoyed XBOX in the past. The difference between a lot of people like me and the vocal gaming community is that we have our opinions on what is good/bad but we don't spam every website with our sometimes fanboyish voice, as we know people do not want to hear it. That is unless there is a valid argument and we can actually defend our position.

Other than this I just keep up with gaming news because it's entertaining, and let's me know when things are coming out.

[Insider2000]

I've never known a community that wasn't filled with insanely vocal people who speak their opinion over everyone else and try to pull it off as fact. Doesn't make it right, but still.

Also, where are reading that DmC and Tomb Raider are considered the worst games of the year? Like yeah, I disliked DmC and loved Tomb Raider, but like general game journalism so far has been saying games like that recent Star Trek game or Aliens: Colonial Marines were the worst game of the year.

Play what you want. Shit, if you want to play Star Trek or Aliens: Colonial Marines, then play them. Like what you like, then when anyone disagrees with you, then they disagree with you. If they honestly have issue with you playing what you like, then they're shitholes and you should avoid them like the plague.

[ObeliskTheTrainer]

@Green_vs_Red:

Which is just speculation and rarely if ever tends to actually happen. Saying that a publisher pays reviewers to give their games the score they want is basically a roundabout way of dismissing a review of a game you don't like (and very likely have never played) that you can't stand the idea of people actually liking. I've even seen people claim the opposite that companies pay to have reviewers give bad or lower scores to something that's competing against their own product like EA's MOH/Battlefied against Activision COD.

You really think that publishers don't make "donations" much like lobbyists do to some fashion make their game look better, to the point of almost lying? I'm not sure if you're alluding to specifically trying to defend CoD against it's very earned bad reputation, but I have played it, and I could list a million and one reasons why that game is worth more $25 per generation, not 60.

@Insider2000:

I've never known a community that wasn't filled with insanely vocal people who speak their opinion over everyone else and try to pull it off as fact. Doesn't make it right, but still.

I think this is a generation, rather than a genre thing. Even in this forum there quite a few users who feel the need to be aggressive against harmless speculation, one of the more enjoyable thing about reading manga, video gamers, book readers, dungeon and dice players, hell even hello kitty online has this "group" of elitists. It's an age maturity thing imo.

[Zack]

I've seen a good amount of people enjoy DmC, people dislike it for legitimate reasons, people dislike it FOR the different setting which is still a valid reason and perfectly fine to question why its still called 'DMC' when it has about nothing in common with the rest of the series, I've seen more people that enjoyed the latest Tomb Raider than those who disliked it, and I've seen people who dislike the direction Tomb Raider is going. A lot of these are perfectly fine view points of having. Aside from being able to find like-minded people to discuss similar likes with, another point of the internet is the ability to debate points with people who think differently and from a well discussed topic, hopefully users could at least come out understanding the opposing user's point of view.

Unfortunately, many times topics can often go the way of viritrol from people insulting those who don't agree with them, the infamous 'deal with it' meme, regular viritirol to people who don't fit the normal fanbase for a place, and many other problems. Just saying the gaming community in general is crap is like saying any other community is crap when all you do is focus on the negatives and none of the positives.

Heck, sometimes people find mudslinging, trolling, and other forms of that entertaining like FelRes where they then feel its fine to troll around in certain communities because they feel that's what the community is like. That can be fun and entertaining sometimes too when there's a general understanding for that.

[Green_vs_Red]

@ObeliskTheTrainer:

You really think that publishers don't make "donations" much like lobbyists do to some fashion make their game look better, to the point of almost lying? I'm not sure if you're alluding to specifically trying to defend CoD against it's very earned bad reputation, but I have played it, and I could list a million and one reasons why that game is worth more $25 per generation, not 60.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen just not at the rate some people blindly think.

[Zack]

@Green_vs_Red:

I'm not saying it doesn't happen just not at the rate some people think.

This. The big problem comes when a lot of users claim that every high score is only a result of being paid off when the truth that the author probably just felt the game was good enough for the score was probably the real reason. It's like people saying someone is paid by Microsoft to have a certain opinion when the truth is someone might just honestly be bias to Microsoft without getting paid off. (Trying to not get too into console wars though.)

[Insider2000]

My only issue with Tomb Raider were the people who said that the game was better than the original Tomb Raider series because it made Lara into more of a pacifist. This is the same game that has you breaking down a wall with a grenade launcher, chasing down enemy soldiers while everything is on fire, and having Lara scream "That's right! Run, you bastards! I'm coming for you!" while you gun them all down. I loved it, don't get me wrong, but I felt more like a pacifist in the previous Tomb Raider games where Lara was doing things like gasping in shock when a man stabs himself with a sword or trying to save opposing raiders who were about to be killed by a monster within the tomb.

[ObeliskTheTrainer]

Of this list, how many do you think deserve that 9.0+? Sincere question;

! Twisted Metal
Lumines: Electric Symphony
Rayman: Origins
Super Stardust Delta
UFC Undisputed 3
Kingdoms of Amular: Reckoning
Jak and Daxter Collection
Sakura Samurai: Art of the Sword
Kingdom Rush
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Trine 2
Alan Wake PC
Tales From Space: Mutant Blobs Attack
Sneak Beat Bandit
SSX
Plants vs. Zombies
Journey
Street Fighter x Tekken
Mass Effect 3
Silent Hill HD
Sine Mora
Rayman Origins PC
Total War: Shogun 2
Xenoblade Chronicles
Colors 3D
Fez
Ketzal’s Corridors
Trials Evolution
Tribes: Ascend
Sword and Sworcery EP – PC version
Botanica
Starhawk
Max Payne
Diablo 3
Batman: Arkham City: Harley Quinn’s Revenge
Metal Gear Solid HD Collection: PS Vita
Pokemon Conquest
Sid Meier’s Civiliation IV: Gods and Kings
Spelunky
The Great Big War Game
Orcs Must Die 2
Persona 4 Arena
Horn
Iron Brigade
Hero Academy
Puzzle Craft
Madden 13
Bastion
Walking Dead Episode 3
The World Ends With You Solo Remix
Dark Souls Prepare to Die Edition
Mark of the Ninja
Guild Wars 2
LittleBigPlanet Vita
Borderlands 2
F1 2012
FIFA 13
Torchlight II
NBA 2K13
Bad Piggies
Pokemon: Black 2
Pokemon: White 2
Dishonored
Forza Horizon
The Unfinished Swan
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Okami HD
Halo 4
Football Manager 2013
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
New Super Marios Bros U
Hitman: Absolution
Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition
Walking Dead Episode 5
NBA 2K13 Wii U
Borderlands 2: Mr. Torgue’s Campaign of Carnage
Far Cry 3
Persona 4: Golden
Trine 2: Director’s Cut
Planetside 2
Crashmo
Mass Effect – PS3
Walking Dead Complete Game
Minigore 2: Zombies

@Insider2000:

My only issue with Tomb Raider were the people who said that the game was better than the original Tomb Raider series because it made Lara into more of a pacifist. This is the same game that has you breaking down a wall with a grenade launcher, chasing down enemy soldiers while everything is on fire, and having Lara scream "That's right! Run, you bastards! I'm coming for you!" while you gun them all down. I loved it, don't get me wrong, but I felt more like a pacifist in the previous Tomb Raider games where Lara was doing things like gasping in shock when a man stabs himself with a sword or trying to save opposing raiders who were about to be killed by a monster within the tomb.

LOL WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY SAY THAT?! These people are stupid, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the entire point of this game is watching Lara lose her humanity, that was the beauty of it. She was essentially trained with advanced survival instincts then put in the most extreme environment to exercise them, you could actually connect to the character.

Plusohmygodthewaytheywerabletovisuallydothathair

[CCC]

@ObeliskTheTrainer:

Of this list, how many do you think deserve that 9.0+? Sincere question;

PvZ
Arkham City
Okami
Dark Souls

I'd give those all 10s, honestly.

[Green_vs_Red]

@Zack The messed up about game reviews is there's no middle ground when it comes to how they're perceived, which is occasionally justified. If you have a game that's reviewed by someone who legitimately likes a game/series or the genre it's apart of, whatever score they give is looked down upon as being too generous or not geneous enough. But then have someone completely unfamiliar or unattached with a series or genre handling a review i.e. a fresh prespective and well watch all hell break loose.

[Insider2000]

Rayman Origins
Okami HD
Bastion
All of the Walking Dead ones

That'd be my collection of 9.0+.

Is that a list of every game with a 9.0?

[Sakonosolo]

I think scores and reviews are a lot of the time useless because there's no real context that they're in. Like I remember seeing an image with side by side reviews of some baby game (literally a game about babies) on the Wii, and it got a higher score on IGN than God Hand. Or another one where Metro 2033 got less points in the graphics category than some other game that I can't remember right now. The scores seem arbitrary and not based on any one continuum that would make them useful to anyone.

Or all the praise that Gone Home got while other games get derided for having little gameplay. So it isn't entirely just the numbers that don't work. I'm honestly not sure how to fix this though.

[ObeliskTheTrainer]

@CCC:

PvZ
Arkham City
Okami
Dark Souls

I'd give those all 10s, honestly.

Good taste.

@Insider2000:

Rayman Origins
Okami HD
Bastion
All of the Walking Dead ones

That'd be my collection of 9.0+.

Is that a list of every game with a 9.0?

I believe its just for 2012, 84 total, that's 84 games that are considered "revolutionary" "must have's" "the best". I mean that's a pretty big number, I don't even think pokemon b/w belongs on that list

[Robby]

Lumines
Journey
Mass Effect 3
Batman Arkham City
Diablo 3
Pokemon Conquest
The World Ends With You
Dark Souls
LittleBigPlanet
Pokemon: Black/White 2
Okami HD
Persona 4: Golden

And thats just what I recognize/have played from the list. Those are all legit 9's or better. (I love the hell out of Journey and would give it a 10, amazing game, but it IS really short and lacks replay for most people.)

Hell, Mass Effect 3's multiplayer alone kept me hooked for months, practically a game unto itself. (Had I not come in near the end of all the expansions I probably would have played it all year.)

@ObeliskTheTrainer:

I believe its just for 2012, 84 total, that's 84 games that are considered "revolutionary" "must have's" "the best". I mean that's a pretty big number, I don't even think pokemon b/w belongs on that list

It was, at the time, the best pokemon game to date. And those are regularly games that hold their own for months at a time. A long itme player might be a little jaded to the franchise by that point, but… they ARE solid games that excel at what they do.

[Green_vs_Red]

Making some tweaks to that list. Mass Effect 2 Pokemon Black & White 2 Max Payne 3 Batman Arkham City

[Sakonosolo]

I'd give the first Mass Effect a higher score than ME2 honestly. I only see the PS3 version on that list though, for some reason, not just the game in general. Agree with Max Payne 3 too.

[Robby]

@Sakonosolo:

I'd give the first Mass Effect a higher score than ME2 honestly. I only see the PS3 version on that list though, for some reason, not just the game in general.

Because it was a "games released in 2012" list.

It's be much longer if it stretched back 5 or 10 years.

[ObeliskTheTrainer]

The whole DLC ending for ME3 didn't turn you off? I feel as though they should have been "slut" shamed for that, even by the reviewers to discourage this type of marketing. Although that doesn't directly "affect" the actual game, I feel as though that should be considered a factor.

I was pretty underwhelmed by bw/bw2 personally, but that's my opinion

[Aaronrules380]

Xenoblade Chronicles was on that list and is one of my favorite games of all time that not enough people played because
1. It's a wii game that came out when most of the target audience didn't care anymore
2. Niche genre
3. Only sold new by Gamestop in US
4. Most of the time cost a ton to get used

[Cyber-Robin]

I liked Tomb Raider. I think it was one of the best console games this year.

I'm even going to the point to say that Naughty Dog should look at it when they make the next Uncharted for inspiration like they did for the earlier games.

Xenoblade Chronicles…..

ONLY a 9!? If any game actually deserves a 10 this gen it's that....

and Nier. Of course

[Robby]

@ObeliskTheTrainer:

The whole DLC ending for ME3 didn't turn you off? I feel as though they should have been "slut" shamed for that, even by the reviewers to discourage this type of marketing. Although that doesn't directly "affect" the actual game, I feel as though that should be considered a factor.

1)I liked the ending, it made logical sense given how the story was built up. Its not the all out spaceship war most people wanted, but it made perfect sense in context of the actual story and was built to nicely, including Shepard's last stand/death walk. The bitching about it was blown way out of proportion.
2)the dlc ending was only an expansion, and it was FREE. Who cares that it was a few months after the main release?
3)The last 5 minutes of the game don't take away from the 30-40 great hours of main game, or the 100+ hours of online. Mordin's final scene alone made the game fantastic.

[ObeliskTheTrainer]

@RobbyBevard:

1)I liked the ending, it made logical sense given how the story was built up. Its not the all out spaceship war most people wanted, but it made perfect sense in context of the actual story and was built to nicely, including Shepard's last stand/death walk. The bitching about it was blown way out of proportion.
2)the dlc ending was only an expansion, and it was FREE. Who cares that it was a few months after the main release?
3)The last 5 minutes of the game don't take away from the 30-40 great hours of main game, or the 100+ hours of online. Mordin's final scene alone made the game fantastic.

It was free for those who purchased the Collectors edition, it was 10 dollars to everyone else, let's put that into context. I never actually played it, I just didn't like the fact they did first day DLC like that, it's a marketing ploy which should be frowned upon, even if that means underrating it's score to prove a point. That's my perspective anyway

[Robby]

@ObeliskTheTrainer:

It was free for those who purchased the Collectors edition, it was 10 dollars to everyone else, let's put that into context. I never actually played it, I just didn't like the fact they did first day DLC like that, it's a marketing ploy which should be frowned upon, even if that means underrating it's score to prove a point. That's my perspective anyway

No. the expanded ending DLC was FREE. And all the upgrades to the multiplayer were FREE.

Extra bonus for-fun missions cost money, but they weren't required for the ending in the least. They expanded on the lore sure, gave you a little more story, but it wasn't required at all, any more than the expansions to Dragon Age were. It's BONUS content if you want a little more.

Hell, one of the pay-for DLCS is basically "Hang around the space station and party in your new condo."