One Piece Mafia: Part III

Bogart

Sorry, everyone. No excuses: I'm a bad moderator. Anyway…

LYNCH STATUS: With nine players, it takes five votes to lynch.
Huschel [2]: Outerspec, Harvady Alumnus
Holygamer999 [[COLOR=#ff0000]5]: Tyrano, Huschel, Wooden_Giraffe, Gerri, Holygamer999
Not Voting [2]: benjamminbrown, SpaceCowboy

Lynch has been achieved.

Day ends when lynch is achieved, so I'm leaving Space's vote off. Also voting yourself to ensure Town gets a lynch/flip is definitely not playing against the win condition. You can still call it lame, though.
(For any who don't know, the time between day phase's end and night phase's start is "Twilight". You can post at this time, seeing as it's the mod's fault the night hasn't started.)

Holygamer999 has been lynched. He was a Vanilla Townie. He had no special abilities. He won when all threats to Town were eliminated -and- at least one Townie remained alive.

Day Five has ended. Night Five has begun. You have 48 hours. **(Day Six may begin earlier if all Night Actions are resolved)**

Bogart

Night Five has Ended.

Players Still Alive
1. Outerspec
2. Gerri
3. Wooden_Giraffe
4. benjamminbrown
5. SpaceCowboy
6. Harvady Alumnus

_Tyrano has been killed. He was a Cyborg Tracker. Once per night he could select a target. He would learn who that target visited.
Huschel has been killed. He was a Vanilla Townie. He had no special abilities.

They won when all threats to Town were eliminated -and- at least one Townie remained alive._

LYNCH STATUS: With six players, it takes four votes to lynch.
Not Voting [6]: Outerspec, Gerri, Wooden_Giraffe, benjamminbrown, SpaceCowboy, Harvady Alumnus

It is now Day Six. You have 72 hours to lynch.

Wooden_Giraffe

Oh hey, I'm still alive. Right now the only ones I'm pretty sure are town are Gerri and Outerspec. They claimed without lying or being asked directly. Leaves us with the two liars and Harvady.

SpaceCowboy

@Wooden_Giraffe:

Oh hey, I'm still alive. Right now the only ones I'm pretty sure are town are Gerri and Outerspec. They claimed without lying or being asked directly. Leaves us with the two liars and Harvady.

Not surprised.
I still keep my special bullet theory.

Even if they have more than 1, there is no point in killing you.
They simply went for a power user.

My only 100% bet is on Gerri. Outer with like, 85%.

Outerspec

Screw this, I'm going with my #1 suspect who has been "cleared".

Vote: Benjaminbrown

Gerri

well, yeah… it's pretty obvious now that the 3rd Party method didn't work anything like intended. Welp, here's hoping a joint win is possible. 6 Players out of which 2 are Mafia (I doubt there's three left) and 1 is third Party. Unless we team up that's pretty much it. Throwing it out there because this game is basically wrapping up: how about doing a massclaim today?

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I do wish Tyrano would have been more forthcoming yesterday though with what he did. Could have cleared someone.

Harvady Alumnus

@Wooden_Giraffe:

Oh hey, I'm still alive. Right now the only ones I'm pretty sure are town are Gerri and Outerspec. They claimed without lying or being asked directly. Leaves us with the two liars and Harvady.

Considering that Nectar's only reason for altering me was to get me killed somehow, I think you're just a little bit biased. You are justifying your reads on their claims, and nothing else. Outerspec's behavior yesterday was indicative of playing through to today, as if he knew that the game wouldn't end. Gerri was referring to himself as 'clear' since #1590. The fact that we have no one left who identifies as 'vanilla' means that being visited doesn't determine alignment. I am prepared to treat today under the assumption that everyone is back on the table as far as the 'robot-theory' goes. We have some time, however we must consider the possible outcomes of today's lynch.

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Six alive. One Robot, (most likely) two mafia, means three townies. That's LYLO.

Truth of it is, we don't have anymore 'vanilla townies' (if I'm recalling our claims properly). That means that if we lynch mafia today and kill one in the night, there will be no mafia left, and no townies left unaltered. That means a Robot win.

If we lynch mafia and DON'T kill one in the night, then there will be four left. (2 town, 1 mafia, 1 robot) Wooden_Giraffe can't be lynched or else mafia will kill the last town needed to reach majority. If we lynch mafia, then we can't kill WG and the Robots win. A NL will also lead into this four-count.

If we lynch the last Robot today, that means that there will be five left. If we kill mafia in the night, they will kill one of us and we'll go into LYLO with one mafia and two town.

If we lynch the last Robot today, and we DON'T kill mafia in the night, they will kill one of us and we'll lose with a 2:2 ratio.

Town will LOSE unless we lynch a robot AND get a mafia killed.

Gerri

what makes you so convinced of town capacity to kill who they intend to kill?

SpaceCowboy

@Gerri:

well, yeah… it's pretty obvious now that the 3rd Party method didn't work anything like intended. Welp, here's hoping a joint win is possible. 6 Players out of which 2 are Mafia (I doubt there's three left) and 1 is third Party. Unless we team up that's pretty much it. Throwing it out there because this game is basically wrapping up: how about doing a massclaim today?

I don´t mind that at all if it means throwing off some suspicious about me.

@Harvady:

Truth of it is, we don't have anymore 'vanilla townies' (if I'm recalling our claims properly). That means that if we lynch mafia today and kill one in the night, there will be no mafia left, and no townies left unaltered. That means a Robot win.

If we lynch mafia and DON'T kill one in the night, then there will be four left. (2 town, 1 mafia, 1 robot) Wooden_Giraffe can't be lynched or else mafia will kill the last town needed to reach majority. If we lynch mafia, then we can't kill WG and the Robots win. A NL will also lead into this four-count.

If we lynch the last Robot today, that means that there will be five left. If we kill mafia in the night, they will kill one of us and we'll go into LYLO with one mafia and two town.

If we lynch the last Robot today, and we DON'T kill mafia in the night, they will kill one of us and we'll lose with a 2:2 ratio.

Town will LOSE unless we lynch a robot AND get a mafia killed.

So basically you have gone from someone that did not discussed that subject at all to someone that suddenly believes that a joint win ain´t possible…

Gerri

Let me just point out that with everybody alive being or at last claiming to be altered what I mentioned as an option yesterday to explain that something seems off, has become a lot more likely today,i.e.:

Third Party can 'alter' mafia. That cannot 'robotize' them means that they do not turn them into cyborgs. Instead they provide them with a passive ability (like the shield for Ben). Essentially mafia gets an add-on to their existing role but does not have a role change. I had clearly stated that I am no longer a vanilla townie but now a XXX instead which might explain Bogart adding the text in parenthesis. That is what makes Ben and Harvady my top candidates for mafia today. As such Harvady advocating the third Party lynch makes sense. Ben raised several red flags throughout the game, especially noteworthy to me how Kubihige protected him.

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@ Wooden: I would still like to get your input on that theory. Maybe there were some discussions with/clarifications by Bogart that support or debunk this theory. I would also like a confirmation whether you are able to post in your QT during the day.

SpaceCowboy

@Gerri:

Let me just point out that with everybody alive being or at last claiming to be altered what I mentioned as an option yesterday to explain that something seems off, has become a lot more likely today,i.e.:

Third Party can 'alter' mafia. That cannot 'robotize' them means that they do not turn them into cyborgs. Instead they provide them with a passive ability (like the shield for Ben). Essentially mafia gets an add-on to their existing role but does not have a role change. I had clearly stated that I am no longer a vanilla townie but now a XXX instead which might explain Bogart adding the text in parenthesis. That is what makes Ben and Harvady my top candidates for mafia today. As such Harvady advocating the third Party lynch makes sense. Ben raised several red flags throughout the game, especially noteworthy to me how Kubihige protected him.

I also thought about that.

And if that is the case, it would be better for us to go for Ben, because the one i see for Harv may screw us the game.

Gerri

Hmm, the passive one that I believe he hinted at would at make it my preference to lynch Harvady first.

Outerspec

We're thinking along the same lines here because if Ben were to flip Mafia on a lynch Today then Harvady was going to be my next lynch target for Tomorrow. Harvady has actually defended Ben the most especially against Foolio's accusations.

I'm sure there was a sensible reason for which he can point out, but on top of that he shares the same PM situation as Ben.

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Btw, Tyrano was probably killed because he admitted to "doing something" to Kubihige on a previous Night. Then he was killed before he could relay any important information to us. If you want to claim be aware of the fact that you're putting a target on your back and please give any information you might have before you are possibly killed.

Gerri

Alrighty, I do think the pieces finally come together, just not sure we'll have enough time left to cash in on it. I'm all for giving it a shot though.
Vote lynch: Benjammin

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Yeah, I'm really not all that motivated to spend a whole lot of time on today. If this doesn't work, it's basically over anyways and I doubt much will come out of it.

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Out of discussing it further that is.

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Also, I believe, Harvady might be a bomb as passive ability so be mindful of that option when it comes to using your abilities during the night. If anybody can say that this is not true please do but without going into further detail as to why you came to that conclusion. When doing so take the likelihood of Kubihige's roleblock interferring with your conclusion into account.

Wooden_Giraffe

We were dissuaded from using our quick topic during the day.

Gerri

Okay, thanks that would explain the more overt interaction/support we've seen between Kubi and Ben as well as Harvady and Ben.
Can you comment on the theory?

Outerspec: if you don't mind can you provide examples where Harvady protected Ben? Thanks.

Wooden_Giraffe

Well seeing as Harvy's target of the day is me. I really have no option but to go for the wagon on the board. Who I think is or isn't town doesn't even matter anymore.

Vote Lynch: benjamminbrown

Gerri

unvote now I'm curious Wooden. Why doesn't it matter anymore?
With everybody converted the only Thing that should matter is to get rid of mafia and survive till the end…
Who's your scumteam?

Outerspec

@Gerri: I'm looking for it but I'm in the middle of work right now so I'm not at my computer most of the time until my break.

Wooden_Giraffe

Because by going for me Harvy is making it impossible for me to do anything but side with whatever the other wagon is. If I'm lynched, I lose, period.

I honestly do think ben is one of the two. Not sure sure on the other, but Harvy's plan just seems like he's trying to convince the town to go with crazy odds. As I said I'm fairly confident on Gerri and Outer since they shouldn't have known they were targeted. Not sure I buy the theory that we were able to give mafia powers without robotisizing them. If so that's Bogart being a dick.

Outerspec

@Gerri:

Okay, thanks that would explain the more overt interaction/support we've seen between Kubi and Ben as well as Harvady and Ben.
Can you comment on the theory?

Outerspec: if you don't mind can you provide examples where Harvady protected Ben? Thanks.

There's one particular instance of Harvady defending Ben when Foolio cast doubt on him (Ben).

@Foolio:

By the way. I'm not 100% unsuspicious of ben. He could have deduced we were bulletproof from failing to kill us two nights in a row (giving him further reason to suspect that Nectar and I were working together). He could have claimed being bulletproof X number of times, to explain why he will never be night killed because he's scum. And he is clearly FERVENTLY pushing for extermination of my 3rd party. Take that as you will.

Then Harvady jumped in with…

@Harvady:

If ben's mafia and he knew about you and Nectar, then I shouldn't have gotten my power from Nectar on N2 if there were that many blockers around.

Foolio responded…

@Foolio:

You're right. Plus, as Nectar already pointed out, when me and him targeted the same person last night, the conversion went through. This probably means they only have one roleblocker, so my theory in regards to that is pretty much disproven.

The whole exchange starts here and whether or not Harvady had a point to make the indication here is that Harvady went out of his way to defend Ben when Foolio wasn't even talking to him.

http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=39999&page=82&p=3318419&viewfull=1#post3318419

Take it as you will.

Gerri

Thank you Outerspec.

Okay, I'm done.

Vote lynch: benjamminbrown

Outerspec

That's L-1 for Ben. If Ben is lynched Today I'm wondering what will happen with Town vs. Robots. And soomeonnneee killed Kubihige (Mafia) and then killed Huschel (Townie). Not that I blame them for killing Huschel since he was suspect but the point is do they have another round left?

Alright, we kill Ben Today and then hopefully only 1 Townie dies at Night so it'll turn from this which is the situation right now…

1. Outerspec
2. Gerri
3. Wooden_Giraffe
4. benjamminbrown
5. SpaceCowboy
6. Harvady Alumnus

To this...

1. Outerspec
2. Gerri
3. Wooden_Giraffe
~~4. benjamminbrown~~ (Hopefully we just lynched a Mafia member)
~~5. SpaceCowboy~~ (Hypothetical Townie death)
6. Harvady Alumnus

That'll leave 2 Townies, 1 Robot, 1 Mafia

1. Outerspec
2. Gerri
3. Wooden_Giraffe
4. Harvady Alumnus

If we lynch the Mafia member and there's no joint-win then the Robots win. If we lynch the Robot then the remaining Mafia member will kill one of the remaining 2 Townies and Mafia wins. I'd rather risk the joint-win then let the Mafia take a win.

Gerri

completely agree

Harvady Alumnus

@Gerri:

what makes you so convinced of town capacity to kill who they intend to kill?

This isn't about being convinced. Town MUST lynch the robot TODAY to win. There is nothing to debate. This is not an opinion. It is the truth. Town has to lynch the robot, AND a mafia has to die or it's over.

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@Outerspec:

If we lynch the Mafia member and there's no joint-win then the Robots win. If we lynch the Robot then the remaining Mafia member will kill one of the remaining 2 Townies and Mafia wins. I'd rather risk the joint-win then let the Mafia take a win.

This is the most anti-town thing I've heard all game. You are throwing town's chances away by not lynching Wooden_Giraffe. You and Gerri are scum. You actually think that town can joint-win with a third party that converts people and wins when they get everyone. You are wrong.

Gerri

@Harvady:

This isn't about being convinced. Town MUST lynch the robot TODAY to win. There is nothing to debate. This is not an opinion. It is the truth. Town has to lynch the robot, AND a mafia has to die or it's over.

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This is the most anti-town thing I've heard all game. You are throwing town's chances away by not lynching Wooden_Giraffe. You and Gerri are scum. You actually think that town can joint-win with a third party that converts people and wins when they get everyone. You are wrong.

You were quite particular in distinguishing lynch versus kill in your post. How come you already forgot that there's a difference by the time you reply to me asking about said post.

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Who's your scumteam?
Why should we be convinced that you and Ben are town?
How are we supposed to kill mafia at night when one supposedly has a shield and the other might be a bomb?
So, how does your math work in that case. Mafia wins. I'm not certain that we will win jointly with third Party but at least there are reasons to believe it might be possible. That's a lot better than decimating pró-town Players during the day (yes, third Party is pro-town since everybody is converted) and give mafia the chance to achieve the win during the next night. We are finally doing what we should have been doing all along, lynch a mafia.

Outerspec

@Harvady: How exactly do we even lynch Wooden and then have a Mafia member die at night anyway? If we could do that I would go for it but if not…

Gerri

that's what I've been asking as well but as usual he prefers to answer a different question.. lol

Bogart

LYNCH STATUS: With six players, it takes four votes to lynch.
benjamminbrown [3]: Outerspec, Wooden_Giraffe, Gerri
Not Voting [3]: benjamminbrown, SpaceCowboy, Harvady Alumnus

SpaceCowboy

@Gerri:

Also, I believe, Harvady might be a bomb as passive ability so be mindful of that option when it comes to using your abilities during the night. If anybody can say that this is not true please do but without going into further detail as to why you came to that conclusion. When doing so take the likelihood of Kubihige's roleblock interferring with your conclusion into account.

I think he has the same ability, but sometimes Mafia bombs kill the person that hammers the owner.

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1. Outerspec
2. Gerri
3. Wooden_Giraffe
4. benjamminbrown
5. SpaceCowboy
6. Harvady Alumnus

So, let´s say we kill Wooden
Mafia will kill someone during the night shift
Let´s say the person that killed Kubi and most likely Huschel can do it again and he targets, let´s say Ben.
If Ben really has a shield, and i believe he has, we reach the next day with:

1. Outerspec
2. Gerri
3. benjamminbrown
4. Harvady Alumnus

Let´s say i die.

Game is over right?

Now if the person manages to get a shot on Harv and assuming he has a bomb.
Wooden is dead
Harv is a mafia and dies
Vig (let´s make it Gerri for example) dies
Another townie dies (me)

1. Outerspec
2. benjamminbrown

Mafia wins.

The only chance i see of us winning it, is if the mafia target the possible vig, which will then die "twice" and we will have 2 townies alive the next day.

Nope, i agree with Outer.

Outerspec

So Space, are we going to end this Day?

SpaceCowboy

Well, if no one else wants to add anything to the conversation, then i will end it later when i return from college.
I would still like to hear Ben in case he has anything to say (which i doubt will change my mind, but you never know).

Also Wooden, by this point you are just a Vanilla Robot.
They will not go for you. They will chase after the ability users in town, so stop being to pessimistic.

Wooden_Giraffe

Well not at night they won't. But I'm a known non-townie so it's a go to lynch during the day for those who don't want to scumhunt.

SpaceCowboy

Well, I think i gave enough time
VOTE LYNCH: BenjamminBrown

Bogart

LYNCH STATUS: With six players, it takes four votes to lynch.
benjamminbrown [[COLOR=#ff0000]4]: Outerspec, Wooden_Giraffe, Gerri******, SpaceCowboy****** ******Not Voting [2]: benjamminbrown, Harvady Alumnus

Lynch Achieved.******

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Lynch has been achieved.

_benjamminbrown has been lynched. He was a Mafia Godfather. He appeared innocent to normal Cop reports. He won when Mafia became the majority.

Day Six has ended. Night Six has begun. You have 48 hours. **(Day Seven may begin earlier if all Night Actions are resolved)**_

Bogart

Night Six has Ended.

Players Still Alive
1. Outerspec
2. Gerri
3. Wooden_Giraffe
4. Harvady Alumnus

SpaceCowboy has been killed. He was a Cyborg Vigilante. Once per night he could select a target. That target would be shot.
He won when all threats to Town were eliminated -and- at least one Townie remained alive.

LYNCH STATUS: With four players, it takes three votes to lynch.
Not Voting [4]: Outerspec, Gerri, Wooden_Giraffe, Harvady Alumnus

It is now Day Seven. You have 72 hours to lynch.

Gerri

I don't feel like dragging it out.

Vote lynch: Harvady Alumnus

At this point, all that could happen during the night is Mafia killing another townie, i.e. if we lynch wooden today then one town and one Mafia will be left tomorrow, meaning Mafia wins. I still don't want that.

Outerspec

At this point Harvady already knows what's up so I'm lynching him. This might be unfortunate for Town but what's done is done, or will be done.

Vote: HarvadyAlumnus

Wooden_Giraffe

I'm kind of curious what would happen if it some how came down to just me and a mafia left. Would that be a stalemate? He can't kill me, I can't lynch him. Wonder how that would work. Oh well, hopefully I'm right.

Vote Lynch: Harvady Alumnus

Bogart

The Mafia would win in that situation, Wooden. They'd be the majority at 1:1.

LYNCH STATUS: With four players, it takes three votes to lynch.
Harvady Alumnus [[COLOR=#ff0000]3]: Outerspec, Gerri, Wooden_Giraffe
Not Voting [1]: Harvady Alumnus

_Harvady Alumnus has been lynched. He was a Mafia Goon. He had no special ablilites. He won when Mafia became the majority.

With the last obstacle to their plan safely out of the way, the last robot could flip the final switch. All of Town's cyborg residents felt their will disappear, as they became the servants of their new robot overlord. The plan had worked.

Welcome to Robot Pirate Island._
Game Over. ROBOTS WIN. Congratulations to Nectar, Foolio, and Wooden_Giraffe!

Wooden_Giraffe

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Foolio

Woot! For the record, I did honestly think a joint win was possible while I was alive. Never bothered directly asking though.

Graveyard: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/5uHSDWjguNVen

Robot QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/n5k6qpSxU42KU

Tyrano

Oh well. Good job third party.
I thought Mafia was pretty solid too.
Dang!

Nectar

Look on the bright side Town, you all get free wifi.

My Town MVP goes to Trapped. I loved how she played. Was scared of her the most.

Mafia MVP to Ben. He did great, especially as a new player.

Robot MVP to both Foolio and Wooden G. Foolio for convincing the Town to help and Wooden for staying alive.

Outerspec

Sorry Town, didn't pull through. I could've made a ballsy play but I didn't think I could pull it off and Mafia would have won. Plus, I wasn't 100% sure a joint-win wasn't possible.

I was the bomb. T_T Maybe I could have convinced Gerri to lynch Wooden and left a 50/50 chance for Harvady to pick me for a Night Kill cementing Town's win, but I know Harvady would've seen right through that plan and killed Gerri instead because only a Bomb would be so suicidal and risky. Maybe I overestimated Harvady's skill at this game but I doubt it. With how he flew under everyone's radar thanks to his early claim of alteration and its description (when he was never even altered) I doubt my plan would have succeeded. Either way, it's over.

Congrats Robos.

I would say overall MVP goes to Harvady for fooling everyone so wonderfully. Both the Town and 3rd Party.

SpaceCowboy

Like i wrote in quicktopic:

"Gonna leave my MVP list here:

Town: Gerri

Robots: Foolio i guess. Reading the quicktopic may help.

Mafia: I´m divided. In one hand, Ben did fool us all and he was about to die, in the other hand, Harv managed to get himself hidden until there was no other viable mafia choice left.

I guess i go for Harv

But everyone that played and gave us such a good time…
You da real Mvp"

I think this game was lost the moment we lynched Holly.
From there on it was between Thirds and Mafia

Foolio

@Outerspec:

Sorry Town, didn't pull through. I could've made a ballsy play but I didn't think I could pull it off and Mafia would have won. Plus, I wasn't 100% sure a joint-win wasn't possible.

I was the bomb. T_T Maybe I could have convinced Gerri to lynch Wooden and left a 50/50 chance for Harvady to pick me for a Night Kill cementing Town's win, but I know Harvady would've seen right through that plan and killed Gerri instead because only a Bomb would be so suicidal and risky. Maybe I overestimated Harvady's skill at this game but I doubt it. With how he flew under everyone's radar thanks to his early claim of alteration and its description (when he was never even altered) I doubt my plan would have succeeded. Either way, it's over.

Congrats Robos.

I would say overall MVP goes to Harvady for fooling everyone so wonderfully. Both the Town and 3rd Party.

If you read the Graveyard, the mafia WERE being granted abilities, just not "converted." I was killed by an unstoppable super kill used by Harvady that we Robots granted him, and ben really was bulletproof. So your theories about mafia still getting powers but not becoming cyborgs was right… and our entire method for finding the mafia was doomed from the start, unbeknownst to us. Oh that Bogart ;D

It would have been an interesting plan though. By the way, what was your power Gerri?

Outerspec

Town did pretty well considering we were right about having threats on all sides. We were either being Altered or Night Killed and either one led us to our demise with each passing Day. It didn't help that even when we highly suspected a Mafia member we didn't pull through in lynching. Beeeennnn!!!!

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@Foolio:

If you read the Graveyard, the mafia WERE being granted abilities, just not "converted." I was killed by an unstoppable super kill used by Harvady that we Robots granted him, and ben really was bulletproof. So your theories about mafia still getting powers but not becoming cyborgs was right… and our entire method for finding the mafia was doomed from the start, unbeknownst to us. Oh that Bogart ;D

It would have been an interesting plan though. By the way, what was your power Gerri?

Oh, damn you 3rd Party. Damn you all. ; p

Foolio

Yeah if we'd lynched ben instead of Mrs. Iceburg, I think the game would have gone WAY differently. But everyone was refusing so I switched wagons and tried to keep building momentum (honestly hoping we were lynching scum). But it ended up playing perfectly into our hands that we lynched someone who wasn't converted due to roleblock, and then at the end that you guys took out the two remaining people who hadn't been converted. I think town's chance had to be in lynching the mafia before conversion was finished. If Icy-chan had lived / not claimed, we may never have found out she was blocked, and if instead of Huschel and Holy the town had lynched/shot Ben and Harvady, the town also would have won.

Outerspec

Close but no cigar.

Well, except for the Robots.

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